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"Voting Labour is a wasted vote in my constituency, but I won't be voting in the current chinless wonder. I'll probably go for Green." What is your constituency? I though most of York was labour. | |||
"Will anybody exept the left nutters vote for him? The Lib Dems might make a big comeback maybe1" Well lets see, if you are on zero hours, or you've been in the public sector and had no wage increase for nearly 10 years...or you are private secotor and earning disproportionately little after sluggingbit in a role for years, you are unlikdly to fancy the tories. The lib dems lack a lot of trust after the back stab they delivered. I expect more people will vote labour out of hope than you think - notbthat I think it'll get JC in. | |||
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"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. " It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple | |||
"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple" The brilliant thing about a parliament with an opposition and two large parties with diverse ideas in their ranks, is that a parties own 'rebels' and the opposition can water down the cabinets policies. Anything outlandish would be watered down or shelved. Funnily enough, this frustrates the public as little gets done sometimes, but it stops ridiculous yearly booms and busts. | |||
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"So tactical voting seems in order, but how do you do that? Got two tests council elections then a month later a general election. will be interesting to know how not to waste a your vote. " I saw some helpful bod has produced a "tactical voting" spreadsheet on FB that lists your constituency and the best option to get the Tories out. | |||
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"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple" But surely that is what the Tories are doing now? Keeping the poor poor, whilst the rich get richer. | |||
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"Can't see myself doing so at the moment with corbyn in charge... at the moment leaning lib dem" Can yankee doodles vote over here? If so you'll have to surrender your 6 shooter at the poling station entrance their partner!  | |||
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"We are! Let's get rid of this bloody austerity government, scapegoating immigrants for everything and selling off the NHS. Corbyns a bloody breath of fresh air compared to the neo liberal centre ground politicians. And clearly the western world is dividing - Trump, Sanders, Brexit, Le Pen, Corbyn, Podemos in Spain and Syriza in Greece are all examples of how the centre ground is collapsing in politics - people turning left and right to find solutions. " . Up the popular front brother | |||
"Voting Labour is a wasted vote in my constituency, but I won't be voting in the current chinless wonder. I'll probably go for Green. What is your constituency? I though most of York was labour." York Outer is stringently Tory thanks to farmers. I'm hoping now they've realised they'll lose their subsidies on leaving the EU they may have a change of heart. | |||
"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple" . Where as bailing out the wealthy to the tune of 850 billon have left us dapper  | |||
"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple. Where as bailing out the wealthy to the tune of 850 billon have left us dapper "Exactly! | |||
"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple. Where as bailing out the wealthy to the tune of 850 billon have left us dapper
Exactly! ". Everybody loves wealth distribution when its being redistributed to them!. They just hate it the other way round | |||
"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple. Where as bailing out the wealthy to the tune of 850 billon have left us dapper
Exactly! .
Everybody loves wealth distribution when its being redistributed to them!.
They just hate it the other way round"Wealth distribution if fine, as long as they wealth is there in the first place. And it in human nature, that those who take the effort to make it are loathe to share it with those who don't. | |||
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"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple. Where as bailing out the wealthy to the tune of 850 billon have left us dapper
Exactly! .
Everybody loves wealth distribution when its being redistributed to them!.
They just hate it the other way round
Wealth distribution if fine, as long as they wealth is there in the first place.
And it in human nature, that those who take the effort to make it are loathe to share it with those who don't. ". Hang on a minute, the 850 billon was borrowed be the UK and pretty much was distributed to about the top 1% of the population. They didnt earn it and its effectively being repaid at a higher rate by the 99%. See thats called wealth redistribution for the benefit of the country (it stopped us all collapsing)(allegedly). But when its the other way round, they say your a lazy cunt and you need to work your way up the ladder. So which philosophy are we following? | |||
"As much as I dislike Corbyn I will vote labour. I am voting for what labour stand for not the present leader. " Same here  | |||
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"There is a need for good honest socialism in this country right now. Also, Labour say that they will ensure that the NHS stays in the public hands. Growing up in a country that was more polarised politically - until Blair turned Labour into Tories lite - I welcome the opportunity to have real alternatives. It is the all round poverty he offers that worries me.His policies would bankrupt this country simple. Where as bailing out the wealthy to the tune of 850 billon have left us dapper
Exactly! .
Everybody loves wealth distribution when its being redistributed to them!.
They just hate it the other way round
Wealth distribution if fine, as long as they wealth is there in the first place.
And it in human nature, that those who take the effort to make it are loathe to share it with those who don't. "Take the effort? In what way? A nurse Working overtime and long unsocial hours to get that exhaust fixed on a car, or do you mean a corporate boss stitching up a workforce so you can buy another mansion or Caribbean island? Or pay for a lecture from George Osborne | |||
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" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories " And Labour.... | |||
" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories And Labour...." And the green party | |||
" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories " I can't see them ever going into a coalition with the Tories again. It destroyed them. funny how people were more angry with them than the Tories for policies which were clearly Tory and didn't give them credit for some policies which the tories would otherwise have gone nowhere near. | |||
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" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories " Although a Lib/Con coalition would definitely be my preferred option there is not a cat's chance in hell of the LibDems agreeing to it, even if the numbers work, regardless what they or anyone else may say. | |||
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"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now." Centre ground politics doesn't achieve much, it allows the corrupt bastards at the top to carry on ripping off the rest of us. Going left puts wealth and power in the hands of the many and not a rich few. | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now.Centre ground politics doesn't achieve much, it allows the corrupt bastards at the top to carry on ripping off the rest of us. Going left puts wealth and power in the hands of the many and not a rich few. " Like in the Soviet Union? | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now." This | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now.Centre ground politics doesn't achieve much, it allows the corrupt bastards at the top to carry on ripping off the rest of us. Going left puts wealth and power in the hands of the many and not a rich few. " Wealth is a relative concept and, by it's nature, can not be put in the hands of the many. Wealthy people are always going to be those who have more than the average. You can make everyone, or most people, richer or you can make everyone, or most people poorer, but you can't, by definition, make everyone wealthy. | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now." . Weve had center ground politics for the last 30 years... How do you think its worked out so far? | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now.Centre ground politics doesn't achieve much, it allows the corrupt bastards at the top to carry on ripping off the rest of us. Going left puts wealth and power in the hands of the many and not a rich few. Wealth is a relative concept and, by it's nature, can not be put in the hands of the many. Wealthy people are always going to be those who have more than the average. You can make everyone, or most people, richer or you can make everyone, or most people poorer, but you can't, by definition, make everyone wealthy." You are so wrong, wealth can be shared out fairly so nobody goes without. It is not necessary for a select few to have all the wealth while the majority struggle. The whole system needs replacing as the current one is set up to favour the few. | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now.Centre ground politics doesn't achieve much, it allows the corrupt bastards at the top to carry on ripping off the rest of us. Going left puts wealth and power in the hands of the many and not a rich few. Wealth is a relative concept and, by it's nature, can not be put in the hands of the many. Wealthy people are always going to be those who have more than the average. You can make everyone, or most people, richer or you can make everyone, or most people poorer, but you can't, by definition, make everyone wealthy. You are so wrong, wealth can be shared out fairly so nobody goes without. It is not necessary for a select few to have all the wealth while the majority struggle. The whole system needs replacing as the current one is set up to favour the few. " And how would you achieve that? What do you mean by 'nobody going without'? | |||
" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories " It will never happen, and why should it happen? | |||
"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now.Centre ground politics doesn't achieve much, it allows the corrupt bastards at the top to carry on ripping off the rest of us. Going left puts wealth and power in the hands of the many and not a rich few. Wealth is a relative concept and, by it's nature, can not be put in the hands of the many. Wealthy people are always going to be those who have more than the average. You can make everyone, or most people, richer or you can make everyone, or most people poorer, but you can't, by definition, make everyone wealthy. You are so wrong, wealth can be shared out fairly so nobody goes without. It is not necessary for a select few to have all the wealth while the majority struggle. The whole system needs replacing as the current one is set up to favour the few. " | |||
" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories And Labour....And the green party" and U K I P | |||
" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories And Labour....And the green party and U K I P "sorry I forgot , and the Monster Raving Looney Party | |||
" A wee note to anyone in England that say they will vote Lib Dem or is thinking about about voting Lib Dem you might want to get an answer out of Tim Fallon to rule out a coalition with the Tories And Labour....And the green party and U K I P sorry I forgot , and the Monster Raving Looney Party "Monster Raving Loony Party ?
Haven't heard of that one !
mmmm..... its interesting that when someone like Corbyn comes out with the "old labour" and a back to roots , it starts to unravel !
The reason is simple !
The closer you get to old communist mantras , the more obvious it is that its mostly utopia !
Communism or "progressive socialism" was a epic historical failure.
The only logical explanation for its comeback is a generation of "millennials" that did not witness the Berlin Wall , the Iron curtain and the cold war at large !
Faced with a material world and the challenges of globalisation , these generations easily fall prey to Marxist/Leninist, and general leftist rhetoric , and thus go back to basics against the evil capitalists!
The problem is..... it doesn't work !
This is made obvious by shinning examples such as the "red" North Korea and the "evil capitalist" South Korea !
When faced with the choice , I wonder where all the "reds" would prefer to live! 
Oh and lets not forget the ongoing Venezuelan situation !
Fact is, as said by W. Churchill
"Democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
I would say the same principle applies to capitalism !
Redistribution of wealth is a myth! whenever it was tried... it failed , as the poor continued a bit less poor , but the rich became either poor , or less rich !
Just my contribution to this "Red thread"
Lol.... that actually rhymes well | |||
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"You might think we live in a capitalist country with a democracy but your living in the matrix mate!. Are you talking about democracy like Donald trump? I love wiki leaks-we need to arrest him as soon as possible. I hate Janet yellen and the fed interest rate policy-Im not objecting to Janet yellen remaining and we need to reduce interest rates. China China China, currency manipulating-oh there not and im not going to put in tariffs. Mexico.. Walls-no walls, ill put a fence up and were paying. Russia good-Russia bad, stay out of foreign wars-bomb everywhere. You mean that type of bullshit capitalist democracy?" All you mentioned is just merely the result of a system trying to keep up with the changes of circumstances ! Trying to find solutions to the issues stemming from the evolution of the social and economic realities ! Oh and I wouldn't worry about Trump , or any other politician or political statements or posturing ...lol.... don't you see ? Its all part of the game ! But one thing is sure, while many experiments have been made in terms of politics and economics, socialism and communism are the only ones that have proven a failure ! Why ? Because they go against the very essence of human nature ! Yes we do see a lot of walls going up , but those don't worry me , because history has proven that when they have served their purpose.... they come down! What worries me are mental walls , be cause those , unfortunately stay and linger....and create havoc ! As an example of such a mental wall , consider the notion , and left mantra of redistribution of wealth ! Proven undo-able....but some still insist on it !
So what is your solution ?
Do you have one? | |||
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"Need centre ground politics more than left wing and right wing politics now.. Weve had center ground politics for the last 30 years... How do you think its worked out so far?" well not major wars since 1946 for a start. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." Nice to see people think about who they vote for and not just follow a party well done | |||
"Would vote Labour if there was a good case but will vote Lib Dem to help remove the arrogant prick who is my current MP lol xx" The preening Liberace lookalike Nicolson by any chance? | |||
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"see, now i always had pete townsend and roger daltrey down as lib-dem voters "roger daltrey has more sense than to risk his wealth He is an out and out conservative, and good on him The kids are all Right lol | |||
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"see, now i always had pete townsend and roger daltrey down as lib-dem voters roger daltrey has more sense than to risk his wealth
He is an out and out conservative, and good on him
The kids are all Right lol"Have read an interview with Roger Daltrey and he says he has always voted Labour. | |||
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"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? " No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory." I'm not convinced by the Brexit argument. Labour are pretty resigned to the idea (and Corbyn as always been an EU skeptic anyway). But if you really care about the NHS I cannot fathom why you feel that Tory is a good vote. They will continue selling it off to Virgin etc. until there is nothing left. | |||
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"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory." . If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either" I think they mean running it like a business as in getting the best deal for things from buying ball point pens to painting the wards or cutting down on managers, there is too much waste. I once tiled the floors of 6 smoking rooms in a mental health facility and I would be too embarrassed to tell you how much I asked for and amazingly they agreed to  | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either I think they mean running it like a business as in getting the best deal for things from buying ball point pens to painting the wards or cutting down on managers, there is too much waste. I once tiled the floors of 6 smoking rooms in a mental health facility and I would be too embarrassed to tell you how much I asked for and amazingly they agreed to "So you charge a health facility more than you think is reasonable and think the main fault is waste their side. Given that it's a public service why weren't you just less selfish? | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either I think they mean running it like a business as in getting the best deal for things from buying ball point pens to painting the wards or cutting down on managers, there is too much waste. I once tiled the floors of 6 smoking rooms in a mental health facility and I would be too embarrassed to tell you how much I asked for and amazingly they agreed to
So you charge a health facility more than you think is reasonable and think the main fault is waste their side.
Given that it's a public service why weren't you just less selfish?"I pay tax. Just getting my own money back. If I hadn't someone else would. The point is they could have had it done a lot more cheaply but when it's not your money you're spending who cares eh? | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either I think they mean running it like a business as in getting the best deal for things from buying ball point pens to painting the wards or cutting down on managers, there is too much waste. I once tiled the floors of 6 smoking rooms in a mental health facility and I would be too embarrassed to tell you how much I asked for and amazingly they agreed to
So you charge a health facility more than you think is reasonable and think the main fault is waste their side.
Given that it's a public service why weren't you just less selfish?
I pay tax. Just getting my own money back. If I hadn't someone else would. The point is they could have had it done a lot more cheaply but when it's not your money you're spending who cares eh?"It is your money, and my money, and everyone else's money! Honestly, you're no better than a d*unken idiot wasting A and E resources on a Saturday night. Or someone claiming benefits who doesn't need them. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either I think they mean running it like a business as in getting the best deal for things from buying ball point pens to painting the wards or cutting down on managers, there is too much waste. I once tiled the floors of 6 smoking rooms in a mental health facility and I would be too embarrassed to tell you how much I asked for and amazingly they agreed to
So you charge a health facility more than you think is reasonable and think the main fault is waste their side.
Given that it's a public service why weren't you just less selfish?
I pay tax. Just getting my own money back. If I hadn't someone else would. The point is they could have had it done a lot more cheaply but when it's not your money you're spending who cares eh?
It is your money, and my money, and everyone else's money!
Honestly, you're no better than a d*unken idiot wasting A and E resources on a Saturday night.
Or someone claiming benefits who doesn't need them."No, the guy who gave me the job was like the d*unken idiot. Maybe I got the job because I was the cheapest and therefore saved them money. My suspicions were correct. You really aren't too bright | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either I think they mean running it like a business as in getting the best deal for things from buying ball point pens to painting the wards or cutting down on managers, there is too much waste. I once tiled the floors of 6 smoking rooms in a mental health facility and I would be too embarrassed to tell you how much I asked for and amazingly they agreed to
So you charge a health facility more than you think is reasonable and think the main fault is waste their side.
Given that it's a public service why weren't you just less selfish?
I pay tax. Just getting my own money back. If I hadn't someone else would. The point is they could have had it done a lot more cheaply but when it's not your money you're spending who cares eh?
It is your money, and my money, and everyone else's money!
Honestly, you're no better than a d*unken idiot wasting A and E resources on a Saturday night.
Or someone claiming benefits who doesn't need them.
No, the guy who gave me the job was like the d*unken idiot. Maybe I got the job because I was the cheapest and therefore saved them money.
My suspicions were correct. You really aren't too bright"And my suspicions are correct. You don't give a sh*t. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either" There's a big difference between running the NHS like a business and running it as a business. Running it like a business is keeping an eye on efficiencies, using good working practices, making sure that equipment that does the same job uses the same fittings, etc. Running it as a business is doing all this, but to make a profit. We're nit saying that at all. I'll give you an example. Where our daughter works they have a children's ward. They're currently spending £15k on redecorating the creche..... Meanwhile, they are moving into a brand new facility on a different floor within the next 4 months. Pregnancy test kits were kept on stock on the children's ward (!) in an open cabinet in the office, they went through 3 a day. They have now locked them away and issue them by requisition.... Now 1 a month. And there a myriads of instances like these. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory. I'm not convinced by the Brexit argument. Labour are pretty resigned to the idea (and Corbyn as always been an EU skeptic anyway). But if you really care about the NHS I cannot fathom why you feel that Tory is a good vote. They will continue selling it off to Virgin etc. until there is nothing left." Have you not seen Kier SStarker Labor's plans for Brexit over the last week? | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either There's a big difference between running the NHS like a business and running it as a business. Running it like a business is keeping an eye on efficiencies, using good working practices, making sure that equipment that does the same job uses the same fittings, etc. Running it as a business is doing all this, but to make a profit. We're nit saying that at all. I'll give you an example. Where our daughter works they have a children's ward. They're currently spending £15k on redecorating the creche..... Meanwhile, they are moving into a brand new facility on a different floor within the next 4 months. Pregnancy test kits were kept on stock on the children's ward (!) in an open cabinet in the office, they went through 3 a day. They have now locked them away and issue them by requisition.... Now 1 a month. And there a myriads of instances like these." . But isn't that just called good management?. My personal thoughts on the NHS is that its constantly hoping from what political ideology to the next and never having a long coherent strategy. It would be the equivalent of Google changing all their CEOs every 4 years and for CEOs with completely opposite ideas!. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either There's a big difference between running the NHS like a business and running it as a business. Running it like a business is keeping an eye on efficiencies, using good working practices, making sure that equipment that does the same job uses the same fittings, etc. Running it as a business is doing all this, but to make a profit. We're nit saying that at all. I'll give you an example. Where our daughter works they have a children's ward. They're currently spending £15k on redecorating the creche..... Meanwhile, they are moving into a brand new facility on a different floor within the next 4 months. Pregnancy test kits were kept on stock on the children's ward (!) in an open cabinet in the office, they went through 3 a day. They have now locked them away and issue them by requisition.... Now 1 a month. And there a myriads of instances like these.. But isn't that just called good management?. My personal thoughts on the NHS is that its constantly hoping from what political ideology to the next and never having a long coherent strategy. It would be the equivalent of Google changing all their CEOs every 4 years and for CEOs with completely opposite ideas!. " Which is what I said previously - it should be completely removed from being a political football. But that would be disastrous for labour, because they don't have much else to campaign on. | |||
"I've been able to vote in 7 General Elections. I have voted SDP once, Liberal twice, Labour 3 times, and UKIP once. Neither of us have ever voted conservative. After seeing what Thatcher did in the early 80s we've both always said we'd never vote Tory. I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory. I find that really surprising. Do you think therefore, that the Tory party is significantly different now? No, but Labour certainly is. We don't trust Corbyn or Labour to deliver Brexit, which is the single most important issue for us, and trumps everything else. Don't trust them on the economy, and not with the NHS either. Not sure what anyone can do with the NHS, it's about time it was removed completely from being a political football and needs to be run like a business (which of course, Labour will never do). That doesn't mean privatising it though. One of our daughters is a nurse, and you wouldn't believe the amount of waste there is and, to be frank, theft that goes on. Even she says it's not about throwing more and more money at it, but that's Labour's answer to everything. So for us, at least, the overriding issue for this election is Brexit, and that's why we feel there is not much choice but to vote Tory.. If you ran the NHS like a business then the outcome would be that you would want more sick people and less healthy ones!. More long term pills and less cures!. More unnecessary procedures. Thats the nature of the profit game?. And I just looked the USA with a completely private healthcare system has more medical claims for malpractice than the NHS so it wouldn't solve that either There's a big difference between running the NHS like a business and running it as a business. Running it like a business is keeping an eye on efficiencies, using good working practices, making sure that equipment that does the same job uses the same fittings, etc. Running it as a business is doing all this, but to make a profit. We're nit saying that at all. I'll give you an example. Where our daughter works they have a children's ward. They're currently spending £15k on redecorating the creche..... Meanwhile, they are moving into a brand new facility on a different floor within the next 4 months. Pregnancy test kits were kept on stock on the children's ward (!) in an open cabinet in the office, they went through 3 a day. They have now locked them away and issue them by requisition.... Now 1 a month. And there a myriads of instances like these.. But isn't that just called good management?. My personal thoughts on the NHS is that its constantly hoping from what political ideology to the next and never having a long coherent strategy. It would be the equivalent of Google changing all their CEOs every 4 years and for CEOs with completely opposite ideas!. Which is what I said previously - it should be completely removed from being a political football. But that would be disastrous for labour, because they don't have much else to campaign on." . Thats true, they do like to use it as a political football sadly | |||
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