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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
Remember Iraq and Libya?
This is what the current (and probably next) Foreign Secretary has to say about Syria...
" Mr Johnson also suggested that Britain could support the United States in the event of further missile strikes on Syria.
He said it would be "very difficult" for the UK to say no to a request for support from the US to a future strike if it was in pursuit of similar objectives."
No opposition to thoughts like this will drop the UK straight back into anothwer Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan clusterfuck.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unless a NATO member is being attacked then we should stay the fuck out of everything "
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See thats a JC policy!.
Funny that things he says that people on here say all the time are always lampoon as "crazy".
It was like when the lib Dems were never in power, they were "honourable" with policy's then when they got power renagued on abolishing student loans and instead tripled them, they were taking "difficult decisions".
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unless a NATO member is being attacked then we should stay the fuck out of everything .
See thats a JC policy!.
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Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK is America bitch America say jump and the UK say how high.
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At least we haven't stooped as low as letting trump build God awful golf courses all over our favourite countryside... Oh wait |
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"To be fair tim Fallon was just as anxious to bomb Syria as may was.
Only jc was against it"
It was the coalition Tory/Lib dem government who bombed Libya. Clegg has as much blood on his hands as Cameron for that one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"To be fair tim Fallon was just as anxious to bomb Syria as may was.
Only jc was against it"
initially back in 2013, when phillip ham-hand was foreign secretary and was intent on mongering war on syria, it was ed miliband who led the commons to defeat the tories desire for armed conflict. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To be fair tim Fallon was just as anxious to bomb Syria as may was.
Only jc was against it
initially back in 2013, when phillip ham-hand was foreign secretary and was intent on mongering war on syria, it was ed miliband who led the commons to defeat the tories desire for armed conflict."
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Dear old new labour ed who didn't want to look like new labour!.
He wasn't an mp in 2003 so obviously he didn't vote on Iraq, but he did have ten or more chances to vote on Iraq war investigations while an mp and didnt vote on one of them!. Probably to busy voting on reducing parliamentary powers, or compulsory id cards and of course by the time Syria came along he had to distance himself from the previous disastrous new labour war mongering of which his "better" brother David of course did vote in favour of!.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To be fair tim Fallon was just as anxious to bomb Syria as may was.
Only jc was against it
initially back in 2013, when phillip ham-hand was foreign secretary and was intent on mongering war on syria, it was ed miliband who led the commons to defeat the tories desire for armed conflict..
Dear old new labour ed who didn't want to look like new labour!.
He wasn't an mp in 2003 so obviously he didn't vote on Iraq, but he did have ten or more chances to vote on Iraq war investigations while an mp and didnt vote on one of them!. Probably to busy voting on reducing parliamentary powers, or compulsory id cards and of course by the time Syria came along he had to distance himself from the previous disastrous new labour war mongering of which his "better" brother David of course did vote in favour of!.
Good old ed and his coppers to homeless bums, what a noble socialist "
keep your tampon in flower, there's no need for the rant ... was just saying on account of how you said only JC was against bombing syria
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"To be fair tim Fallon was just as anxious to bomb Syria as may was.
Only jc was against it
initially back in 2013, when phillip ham-hand was foreign secretary and was intent on mongering war on syria, it was ed miliband who led the commons to defeat the tories desire for armed conflict..
Dear old new labour ed who didn't want to look like new labour!.
He wasn't an mp in 2003 so obviously he didn't vote on Iraq, but he did have ten or more chances to vote on Iraq war investigations while an mp and didnt vote on one of them!. Probably to busy voting on reducing parliamentary powers, or compulsory id cards and of course by the time Syria came along he had to distance himself from the previous disastrous new labour war mongering of which his "better" brother David of course did vote in favour of!.
Good old ed and his coppers to homeless bums, what a noble socialist
keep your tampon in flower, there's no need for the rant ... was just saying on account of how you said only JC was against bombing syria
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My flower is firmly in the anti war camp,On that front i can vote for JC with a clean conscience, or maybe the green woman.
I wont of course because both of them are bonkers crazy?
To be honest i dont know who ill vote for,i might vote for the local independent
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The one thing that unites mainstream politicans?
They all like a good old bombing"
Lol! They think it makes a man out of them...as they sip Chardonnay on their sofas. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The one thing that unites mainstream politicans?
They all like a good old bombingI thought they all liked a good bumming. Maybe only the etonians."
. I'm not sure
You'd have to ask Tim Fallon abut that himself |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"To be fair tim Fallon was just as anxious to bomb Syria as may was.
Only jc was against it"
Probably the only thing I agree with the prick on is that we should step back from all of those countries and let them sort thier selves out including not taking anyone from those countries. You can't have no involvement and then start having people from there. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"whatever way you vote, I predict Ynys Môn will be governed by a corrupt bunch of joscyns.
Im not running  "
awww ... you should ... you'd have ynys mon disgleirio fel ceilliau ci mewn dim amser o gwbl  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this."
...........I have not heard any opposition to the bombing in Damascus from any opposing party. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this."
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Im going to probably vote independent but ive yet to check my local ones out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"whatever way you vote, I predict Ynys Môn will be governed by a corrupt bunch of joscyns.
Im not running
awww ... you should ... you'd have ynys mon disgleirio fel ceilliau ci mewn dim amser o gwbl "
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Prefer badger noses myself |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this............I have not heard any opposition to the bombing in Damascus from any opposing party. "
So you are in favour of bombing Syria?
For what purpose other than accepting blindly what your Government has told you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Remember Iraq and Libya?
This is what the current (and probably next) Foreign Secretary has to say about Syria...
" Mr Johnson also suggested that Britain could support the United States in the event of further missile strikes on Syria.
He said it would be "very difficult" for the UK to say no to a request for support from the US to a future strike if it was in pursuit of similar objectives."
No opposition to thoughts like this will drop the UK straight back into anothwer Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan clusterfuck.
Be careful who you vote for. Body bags have blue voting forms "
that's a turn around from the stuff you used to post two years ago ... the unshakeable tory supporter, life long and loyal ...... just remember ... you voted for this cluster-fuck .... you need to stand up and be counted as one of those that who put us where we are today .... lot's of people fortold of the folly of voting tory at the last election ..... and those chickens that you see getting closer and closer ... well now they're comming home to roost |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this............I have not heard any opposition to the bombing in Damascus from any opposing party.
So you are in favour of bombing Syria?
For what purpose other than accepting blindly what your Government has told you?"
...What.??...i did not say i supported the bombing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If America ask we shud do it as we need them more than they need us uk austrialia New Zealand Canada USA shud always stick tgether who else cud we rely on ?"
Biggest load of tripe posted yet.
We look after our national interests first.
Wars cost money - I don't fancy paying for bombs I don't want dropped.
Also, you over looked Europe somehow. You know, that landmass of very well developed nations across the water. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this."
So you are quite happy for Assad to drop chemical weapons on his own people ?
That said I am very far from being convinced that he did do it, I cant see one thing he had to gain from it. In your OP you said MAY that is very far from doing it but I agree we need to step back from getting involved so much, however it isnt as easy as JC thinks, and dont forget where all this started a certain TB and WMD, DC was at fault for libya so all sides are as bad |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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that's a turn around from the stuff you used to post two years ago ... the unshakeable tory supporter, life long and loyal ...... just remember ... you voted for this cluster-fuck .... you need to stand up and be counted as one of those that who put us where we are today .... lot's of people fortold of the folly of voting tory at the last election ..... and those chickens that you see getting closer and closer ... well now they're comming home to roost"
Totally agree. I would never have considered voting anything but conservative right up until the last election when i just could not bring myself to vote.
Since then my faith has been completely destroyed and this Govt is just nauseating. |
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this.
So you are quite happy for Assad to drop chemical weapons on his own people ?
That said I am very far from being convinced that he did do it, I cant see one thing he had to gain from it. In your OP you said MAY that is very far from doing it but I agree we need to step back from getting involved so much, however it isnt as easy as JC thinks, and dont forget where all this started a certain TB and WMD, DC was at fault for libya so all sides are as bad"
Trump won't go to war with Syria and Theresa May won't either unless it's with the USA. The real hawk in the US election was Hillary Clinton, she was just itching to go to war with Russia, Trump completely the opposite. Trump's whole election campaign was against getting involved in foreign wars and imposing regime change. That said, Assad and Putin may have tested Trump with the chemical weapons attack to see if he was as weak as Obama (the red line was crossed with President Obama and he did nothing), now Trump has proved he is no weakling like Obama was and Trump is not one to be messed with. Assad has had his cards marked by Trump with the cruise missile strike, Assad will not use chemical weapons again unless he has a death wish, Trump has made his point and made the red line a real red line unlike Obama's imaginary fake red line. Trump has played it brilliantly, he called Assad's bluff and also sent a strong message to anyone else with silly ideas about using chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction. All of Trump's supporters were very cautious and hesitant about Trump's action, on the other hand you had the likes of John McCain and Hillary Clinton rubbing their hands with glee and milking it on the news stations because they thought the prospect of full war was imminent, they are the real war mongers. They will end up very disappointed because Trump won't go into a full war with Syria and his supporters don't want war either. The cruise missile strike was a necessary one off to send a message to Assad that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this.
So you are quite happy for Assad to drop chemical weapons on his own people ?
That said I am very far from being convinced that he did do it, I cant see one thing he had to gain from it. In your OP you said MAY that is very far from doing it but I agree we need to step back from getting involved so much, however it isnt as easy as JC thinks, and dont forget where all this started a certain TB and WMD, DC was at fault for libya so all sides are as bad
Trump won't go to war with Syria and Theresa May won't either unless it's with the USA. The real hawk in the US election was Hillary Clinton, she was just itching to go to war with Russia, Trump completely the opposite. Trump's whole election campaign was against getting involved in foreign wars and imposing regime change. That said, Assad and Putin may have tested Trump with the chemical weapons attack to see if he was as weak as Obama (the red line was crossed with President Obama and he did nothing), now Trump has proved he is no weakling like Obama was and Trump is not one to be messed with. Assad has had his cards marked by Trump with the cruise missile strike, Assad will not use chemical weapons again unless he has a death wish, Trump has made his point and made the red line a real red line unlike Obama's imaginary fake red line. Trump has played it brilliantly, he called Assad's bluff and also sent a strong message to anyone else with silly ideas about using chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction. All of Trump's supporters were very cautious and hesitant about Trump's action, on the other hand you had the likes of John McCain and Hillary Clinton rubbing their hands with glee and milking it on the news stations because they thought the prospect of full war was imminent, they are the real war mongers. They will end up very disappointed because Trump won't go into a full war with Syria and his supporters don't want war either. The cruise missile strike was a necessary one off to send a message to Assad that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated. "
That certainly is one view and has its merits, doesnt convince me totally tho, of course it could be down to the hawks in the US military who want to have issues with russia and have conned trump into believing it was Assad, perhaps one day we wil find the truth |
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"So are the Fab political contributors all jumping aboard the Brexit bus with the Tories and accepting the Boris bombers over Damascus?
Think hard, an overwhelming conservative majority and there will be no possibility of opposing shit like this.
So you are quite happy for Assad to drop chemical weapons on his own people ?
That said I am very far from being convinced that he did do it, I cant see one thing he had to gain from it. In your OP you said MAY that is very far from doing it but I agree we need to step back from getting involved so much, however it isnt as easy as JC thinks, and dont forget where all this started a certain TB and WMD, DC was at fault for libya so all sides are as bad
Trump won't go to war with Syria and Theresa May won't either unless it's with the USA. The real hawk in the US election was Hillary Clinton, she was just itching to go to war with Russia, Trump completely the opposite. Trump's whole election campaign was against getting involved in foreign wars and imposing regime change. That said, Assad and Putin may have tested Trump with the chemical weapons attack to see if he was as weak as Obama (the red line was crossed with President Obama and he did nothing), now Trump has proved he is no weakling like Obama was and Trump is not one to be messed with. Assad has had his cards marked by Trump with the cruise missile strike, Assad will not use chemical weapons again unless he has a death wish, Trump has made his point and made the red line a real red line unlike Obama's imaginary fake red line. Trump has played it brilliantly, he called Assad's bluff and also sent a strong message to anyone else with silly ideas about using chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction. All of Trump's supporters were very cautious and hesitant about Trump's action, on the other hand you had the likes of John McCain and Hillary Clinton rubbing their hands with glee and milking it on the news stations because they thought the prospect of full war was imminent, they are the real war mongers. They will end up very disappointed because Trump won't go into a full war with Syria and his supporters don't want war either. The cruise missile strike was a necessary one off to send a message to Assad that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated.
That certainly is one view and has its merits, doesnt convince me totally tho, of course it could be down to the hawks in the US military who want to have issues with russia and have conned trump into believing it was Assad, perhaps one day we wil find the truth "
Trump has already turned his attention back to ISIS who are the real enemy with the MOAB strike on their cave network in Afghanistan. No one can really complain about this as Trump did say on his election campaign he was gonna bomb the shit out of ISIS. |
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"Unless a NATO member is being attacked then we should stay the fuck out of everything
Agree there. Everywhere we go in to makes it worse. "
Worse for them and us. Increased potential for terrorism here, military casualties and deaths and the taxpayer funds it.
May has surrounded herself with some very scary people, just consider the ministers for brexit but the rabble behind the scenes are in disarray and very toxic - a big risk to so-called unity amongst them. |
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"So how do you explain trump sending 3 aircraft carriers to North Korea if he doesn't want war?"
It's called a show of force. They have not been used in anger have they. It seems there is no need to use them as this show of force from Trump has led to the Chinese saying they will deal with North Korea. Yet again another brilliant move by Trump to get the Chinese to do his work for him and the Chinese are likely to be more successful in a peaceful way. North Korea nuclear missile test was a failure anyway so still no need to use any military hardware against them and North Korea look like a bit of a laughing stock after the failed test. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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that's a turn around from the stuff you used to post two years ago ... the unshakeable tory supporter, life long and loyal ...... just remember ... you voted for this cluster-fuck .... you need to stand up and be counted as one of those that who put us where we are today .... lot's of people fortold of the folly of voting tory at the last election ..... and those chickens that you see getting closer and closer ... well now they're comming home to roost
Totally agree. I would never have considered voting anything but conservative right up until the last election when i just could not bring myself to vote.
Since then my faith has been completely destroyed and this Govt is just nauseating."
so now you've seen the light whatchya gonna do about it? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"The UK is America bitch America say jump and the UK say how high.
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At least we haven't stooped as low as letting trump build God awful golf courses all over our favourite countryside... Oh wait"
How many has he built in the UK? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The UK is America bitch America say jump and the UK say how high.
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At least we haven't stooped as low as letting trump build God awful golf courses all over our favourite countryside... Oh wait
How many has he built in the UK?"
The answer to that is, wait for it, drum roll........one!
Golf courses continue to be built all over the UK, by private investors and individuals.
Can't stand the game myself! |
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"Remember Iraq and Libya?
This is what the current (and probably next) Foreign Secretary has to say about Syria...
" Mr Johnson also suggested that Britain could support the United States in the event of further missile strikes on Syria.
He said it would be "very difficult" for the UK to say no to a request for support from the US to a future strike if it was in pursuit of similar objectives."
No opposition to thoughts like this will drop the UK straight back into anothwer Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan clusterfuck.
Be careful who you vote for. Body bags have blue voting forms "
Is it me or has Boris just paraphrased his toniships 'We must pay the "blood price" of the special relationship'? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The UK is America bitch America say jump and the UK say how high.
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At least we haven't stooped as low as letting trump build God awful golf courses all over our favourite countryside... Oh wait
How many has he built in the UK?"
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Luckily he seems to be concentrating on Scotland as they love him there |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said "
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/ |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/"
Any costs to go with those? |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/"
All very worthy but it reads like someones "if I win the lottery" wish list.
Just the first two equate to around 80% of total government spending.
You will need more than a few quid from Starbucks and Amazon to pay for that lot. |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/
All very worthy but it reads like someones "if I win the lottery" wish list.
Just the first two equate to around 80% of total government spending.
You will need more than a few quid from Starbucks and Amazon to pay for that lot."
Corbyn is going to announce he has a money tree growing in his back garden at his house. Pure fantasy economics. |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/
All very worthy but it reads like someones "if I win the lottery" wish list.
Just the first two equate to around 80% of total government spending.
You will need more than a few quid from Starbucks and Amazon to pay for that lot.
Corbyn is going to announce he has a money tree growing in his back garden at his house. Pure fantasy economics. "
In his back garden?
He'd have to replant the New Forest with them to pay for that lot. 
And he would still be a few quid short. |
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"The one thing that unites mainstream politicans?
They all like a good old bombingI thought they all liked a good bumming. Maybe only the etonians.. I'm not sure
You'd have to ask Tim Fallon abut that himself"
Tim Fallon will be fumbling in our public purse.. And under the seats in the house of commons, checking how many tomahawks he can afford to fire.. 1 or possibly 2 at a push? |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/"
I'd hazard a guess many people see that for what it is.... undeliverable promises to get into power. |
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"Any costs to go with those? "
I'll leave you in on a little secret...
The Tories nearly always spend more than Labour.
You see tories restrict public spending thus restricting growth while reducing tax burden on the wealthy and increasing it on the poor further restricting economic activity. Labour on the other hand increases public spending and the tax take from the wealthy and decreases it on the poor. Both of these measures increase economic activity and therefore GDP allowing most Labour governments to reduce the national debt. And just to be clear increased income to the poorest in society gets spent immediately thus increasing turnover in the retail supply chain, which in turn creates work (jobs) in both the retail supply chain and its manufacturing base thus increasing income across the board that in turn raises more taxes. Where tax cuts for the wealthy reduce economic activity in the same way because the extra money they get is not spent but is either banked or transferred out of this country.
In fact since the first Labour Government of Ramsay MacDonald in 1924 only 2 Labour governments have failed to pay down the national debt and both of them were in power during a world financial crisis. also during that time the Tories have held power for approximately double the time Labour have but Labour have reduced the national debt by more than double what the Tories have been able to manage. |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/
I'd hazard a guess many people see that for what it is.... undeliverable promises to get into power."
Or undeliverable promises because you know you won't get into power. Still, it gives an ageing never has been a bit of an ego trip to see the dimwits wetting themselves over him |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Yes, I remember the Labour shadow business Secretary, Rebecca Long-Bailey, scrabbling around on the Andrew Marr show recently. Not only could she not explain the figures, she was also incapable of doing basic arithmetic! |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/
I'd hazard a guess many people see that for what it is.... undeliverable promises to get into power.
Or undeliverable promises because you know you won't get into power. Still, it gives an ageing never has been a bit of an ego trip to see the dimwits wetting themselves over him"
I'm sure Corbyn models himself on Citizen Smith, the comedy television character from the 1970's. |
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/
I'd hazard a guess many people see that for what it is.... undeliverable promises to get into power."
They are pretty challenging aims.
It's a lot harder when you want to actually effect positive change in society. The Tory approach of cutting benefits, lowering taxes, and doing next to nothing about societal and environmental issues is pretty easy to do. |
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"Any costs to go with those?
I'll leave you in on a little secret...
The Tories nearly always spend more than Labour.
You see tories restrict public spending thus restricting growth while reducing tax burden on the wealthy and increasing it on the poor further restricting economic activity. Labour on the other hand increases public spending and the tax take from the wealthy and decreases it on the poor. Both of these measures increase economic activity and therefore GDP allowing most Labour governments to reduce the national debt. And just to be clear increased income to the poorest in society gets spent immediately thus increasing turnover in the retail supply chain, which in turn creates work (jobs) in both the retail supply chain and its manufacturing base thus increasing income across the board that in turn raises more taxes. Where tax cuts for the wealthy reduce economic activity in the same way because the extra money they get is not spent but is either banked or transferred out of this country.
In fact since the first Labour Government of Ramsay MacDonald in 1924 only 2 Labour governments have failed to pay down the national debt and both of them were in power during a world financial crisis. also during that time the Tories have held power for approximately double the time Labour have but Labour have reduced the national debt by more than double what the Tories have been able to manage."
Only two Labour governments have failed to pay down the national debt.
Let's just analyse that a bit deeper shall we?
Between the wars all governments paid down the national debt that the country was saddled with after WW1 so trying to use that as an argument for Labour responsibility is disingenuous to say the least.
Fair play. Atlee did just scrape in at the end with a small reduction but he left office in 1950.
Since then Britain has only had two periods of Labour government. The Wilson/Callaghan years (with a short interlude for grocer Heath) and anyone of a certain age knows exactly how that ended up. Then there was the Blair/Brown years that produced the shitty mess we've got now.
So what you really mean is that EVERY Labour government since 1950 has failed to pay down the national debt.
Yep go for it. Sing it from the rooftops.
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"Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said
So you disagree with the 10 pledges below:
1 – Full Employment – a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks will back up £500bn of investment across energy, transport and housing.
2 – A Secure Homes Guarantee – over a million new homes in five years will be built, with at least half a million council homes, through its public investment strategy.
3 – Security at work – people will have stronger employment rights “from day one in a job”, an end to “exploitative zero hours contracts” and the creation of new sectoral collective bargaining rights.
4 – A secure NHS and social care – an end to any NHS services being outsourced to private health providers.
5 – A National Education Service – universal childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
6 – Action to secure our environment – an expansion of green industries, using the National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
7 – Put the public back into our economy – people will have “a real say in their local communities with increased local and regional democracy”.
8 – Cut inequality in income and wealth – the tax system will become “more progressive” so higher earners are “fairly taxed” and people on lower incomes will have their pay boosted through a higher minimum wage of £10 an hour.
9 – Action to secure an equal society – Labour will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
10 – Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy – human rights and social justice will be built into trade policy, while international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament will be honoured as it encourages others to do the same.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/general-election-2017-labour-party-pledges/
I'd hazard a guess many people see that for what it is.... undeliverable promises to get into power.
Or undeliverable promises because you know you won't get into power. Still, it gives an ageing never has been a bit of an ego trip to see the dimwits wetting themselves over him
I'm sure Corbyn models himself on Citizen Smith, the comedy television character from the 1970's. "
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" The Tory approach of cutting benefits, lowering taxes, and doing next to nothing about societal and environmental issues is pretty easy to do. "
Until there is nothing left to cut or give away...
And we are getting close to that now, after all we are down to privatising the NHS, schools and the Military now! |
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"Unless a NATO member is being attacked then we should stay the fuck out of everything .
See thats a JC policy!.
Then that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything he's said "
Yeah but it could be lithuania or Latvia or Estonia and they are miles away from us and used to be warsaw pact anyway. Why bother with them. Surely we should make some other exception like say if they used to be Warsaw Pact then we should leave them alone to fend for themselves too. Surely ???? |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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Theresa May accuses EU 27 of lining up to oppose UK over Brexit lmao
The clue is in the name European UNION!
Not like the family of nations in the UK union where two countries are saying no to brexit yet Theresa May thinks we are all uniting together for brexit who is it she is trying to kid ?
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Leave 17 410 742
Remain 16 141 241
Margin 1 269 501
Lets look at the winning margin, the two countries that you say voted no to Brexit did have a sizeable vote to leave. These voters you conveniently ignore their existence. Well I wont.
Northern Ireland Leave votes 349 442
Scotland leave votes 1 018 322
If we combine these two votes it amounts to 1 367 764.
That is more than the winning margin.
This is proof that every individual vote counted, as it should be. We didnt vote as countries, we voted as individuals.Irrespective of where you came from. You may think in terms of countries but in this case its the people of the UK that spoke, and rightly or wrongly they said "Leave the EU". |
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"Unless a NATO member is being attacked then we should stay the fuck out of everything .
See thats a JC policy!.
Funny that things he says that people on here say all the time are always lampoon as "crazy".
It was like when the lib Dems were never in power, they were "honourable" with policy's then when they got power renagued on abolishing student loans and instead tripled them, they were taking "difficult decisions".
The public are basically cunts who get what they deserve "
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Leave 17 410 742
Remain 16 141 241
Margin 1 269 501
Lets look at the winning margin, the two countries that you say voted no to Brexit did have a sizeable vote to leave. These voters you conveniently ignore their existence. Well I wont.
Northern Ireland Leave votes 349 442
Scotland leave votes 1 018 322
If we combine these two votes it amounts to 1 367 764.
That is more than the winning margin.
This is proof that every individual vote counted, as it should be. We didnt vote as countries, we voted as individuals.Irrespective of where you came from. You may think in terms of countries but in this case its the people of the UK that spoke, and rightly or wrongly they said "Leave the EU"."
Interesting that you go on about the 2million no voters in 2014 and say they are being ignored by the Scottish government yet you seem ok ro ignore the 1.6million majority remain voters
So the majority no voters have to be respected and the majority remain voters have to be ignored.
See since 2014 what have the no side done to win over those that vote for independence ? |
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I, m not ignoring anyone. If you actually read my post I recognised everyone as an individual.
Scotland did not vote as one, it's people voted as individuals according to their own conscience.
I really don't understand how you can say Scotland voted, it didn't, the people of Scotland voted. Over 2 and a half individuals voted.
I respect all votes that were cast, whether in Scotland or any other part of the UK.
To suggest I didn't is a falsehood.
I do not feel the need to justify my position on independence or to convince any one, that's for others to do. I will, however confront those that are peddling independence, especially those which over exaggerate and make false claims. And there's plenty of them about. |
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"If America ask we shud do it as we need them more than they need us uk austrialia New Zealand Canada USA shud always stick tgether who else cud we rely on ?"
I'm sure we could rely on our new found immigrant friends and the Muslim countries which they came from, after all it's there issues and we shall always be kafir |
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"I, m not ignoring anyone. If you actually read my post I recognised everyone as an individual.
Scotland did not vote as one, it's people voted as individuals according to their own conscience.
I really don't understand how you can say Scotland voted, it didn't, the people of Scotland voted. Over 2 and a half individuals voted.
I respect all votes that were cast, whether in Scotland or any other part of the UK.
To suggest I didn't is a falsehood.
I do not feel the need to justify my position on independence or to convince any one, that's for others to do. I will, however confront those that are peddling independence, especially those which over exaggerate and make false claims. And there's plenty of them about. "
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" The Tory approach of cutting benefits, lowering taxes, and doing next to nothing about societal and environmental issues is pretty easy to do.
Until there is nothing left to cut or give away...
And we are getting close to that now, after all we are down to privatising the NHS, schools and the Military now! "
Which bit of the school system and the army has been privatised |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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If May is so popular, how come she is terrified of meeting ordinary voters?
Must be great to have your wee pals hold up posters and clap and nod away but far too shite feart to face the public and this is what people want as PM
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By *inkyHnSCouple
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So Ruth Davidson seems to think Theresa May is more in touch with Scottish people than Nicola Sturgeon lmao!
The Tories really do like making right tits of themselves.
If that were true then why not face the public instead of hiding away from the public
Strong and stable eh yet shite feart to face the public fucking embarrassment |
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