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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well , slightly surprised by this. Theresa May campaigned on a " stay in the EU' MP, not says she's in favour of Brexit . Said she'd not call an election until 2020 , but has changed her mind again . Good opportunity to vote against austerity, and change things from the same old following of the US into their bombing campaigns that lead to us being targeted by terrorists I reckon, if people can see beyond the messages from a media that is owned by billionaires who have a lot to lose if someone like Corbyn got in. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Make June the end of May  "
I love this. Saw this on social media earlier . Think the labour party should use this slogan.. or at least let it become ubiquitous |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Make June the end of May
I love this. Saw this on social media earlier . Think the labour party should use this slogan.. or at least let it become ubiquitous "
Corbyn doesn't stand a chance too weak |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We could vote for the strong but unpopular party or we could vote for the joke..
Take a look at America before you make any rash decisions..."
The joke is a media creation . The reality is the largest political party in the west . The problem is that most people get their political news' education' from a media that is owned by billionaires who feel threatened enough that they make the politicians who can bring their cushy little lives under the microscope or worse, end their dominance of media outlets , into ' clowns' and encourage the people to vote against their own best interest . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Make June the end of May
I love this. Saw this on social media earlier . Think the labour party should use this slogan.. or at least let it become ubiquitous
Corbyn doesn't stand a chance too weak"
Your definition of weak needs reexamining I think. You do really believe that any other politician who has consistently been stabbed in the back by his own right wing, who has held beliefs such as being anti war in Iraq, when everyone was clamouring for blood and going along with that illegal war , who has stood against apartheid when our own government was referring to Mandela as a terrorist , someone who been vilified on a daily basis by wordsmiths and hacks employed by billionaires, who been subjected to leadership election , then another one, would still be standing ? If that is your definition of weak, then I'm afraid you are merely spouting the message that has been sold to you by a right wing biased media, rather than examining the truth x |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
oxford |
"I think you have been brain washed .May is unpopular because she wants to get this country back on the straight and narrow "
Well said !
Let's get labour back in to power so they can increase our national debt yet again Gordon brown boom & bust and Corbyn is an utter waste of space
At one stage Labour used to give an additional £10 per month to people on benefit just to handle their money better |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"I think you have been brain washed .May is unpopular because she wants to get this country back on the straight and narrow "
Liberalism in Europe evolved from tyrannical rule because the population became more educated and capable of reasoned decision making.
Tyrannical rule works well still in countries that are steeped in poverty and which have poor levels of education. Such people take comfort in strong leadership because leadership of this kind absolves them for the need to think or make decisions that they know little about. Poorly educated people feel that they need to be protected from the wider outside world because it scares them.
It is evident that in this country and in the United States, a significant percentage of the population want strong and overbearing Leadership at a time when general standards of education have fallen in both countries.
There is absolutely nothing clever about wanting to see all opposition to May (and Trump) crushed so that they can respectively deliver an ideologically driven mandate. The only people who would benefit from this would be big business and the VERY wealthy. The rest of us will be told that the enemies at the door can only be stopped by Trump/May and any dissent from that line will be crushed. |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
Chester |
And this is the problem. I have voted for all 3 parties during my life. I'm happy to be a swing voter based on who is best at the time.
As it currently stands I have to vote Tory. It's nothing to do with Corbyn per say, it's to do with getting rid of the deficit which is still compelling us to need to save money. It hurts people obviously but there is a strange utopian belief that if Labour were governing then everything would be wonderful. Yes they would probably give more to the NHS, the disabled, the poor etc. I don't disagree with that. I do vehemently disagree with their plan to borrow even more money to do so.
I detest their hypocritical sneering across the house about the national debt growing under the Tories. Of course it is, we still have a frigging deficit and they use people's inability to tell the difference between debt and dedicit to make that seem like the Tories fault when it was the last Labour government who left a massive deficit. The deficit has got smaller under the Tories, it would have got larger under Labour. That is utterly unacceptable. Short term gain at the cost of losing our credit rating and getting stuck with greater interest on an ever growing debt AND deficit would be a spectacularly frigging stupid thing to do.
Should they present a viable alternative to austerity that actually works and does not involve simply borrowing more money then they would get my vote.
If it helps, many years ago I got into personal debt over my head. It took 10 years of cheap food, no fun, no nights out, no holidays, no subscription to anything, an ever more decrepit car etc to get back on my feet.
That was one persons debt. Now transpose that to the country. That is what we had at the end of the last Labour government. It has to go before we can enjoy life again. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"And this is the problem. I have voted for all 3 parties during my life. I'm happy to be a swing voter based on who is best at the time.
As it currently stands I have to vote Tory. It's nothing to do with Corbyn per say, it's to do with getting rid of the deficit which is still compelling us to need to save money. It hurts people obviously but there is a strange utopian belief that if Labour were governing then everything would be wonderful. Yes they would probably give more to the NHS, the disabled, the poor etc. I don't disagree with that. I do vehemently disagree with their plan to borrow even more money to do so.
I detest their hypocritical sneering across the house about the national debt growing under the Tories. Of course it is, we still have a frigging deficit and they use people's inability to tell the difference between debt and dedicit to make that seem like the Tories fault when it was the last Labour government who left a massive deficit. The deficit has got smaller under the Tories, it would have got larger under Labour. That is utterly unacceptable. Short term gain at the cost of losing our credit rating and getting stuck with greater interest on an ever growing debt AND deficit would be a spectacularly frigging stupid thing to do.
Should they present a viable alternative to austerity that actually works and does not involve simply borrowing more money then they would get my vote.
If it helps, many years ago I got into personal debt over my head. It took 10 years of cheap food, no fun, no nights out, no holidays, no subscription to anything, an ever more decrepit car etc to get back on my feet.
That was one persons debt. Now transpose that to the country. That is what we had at the end of the last Labour government. It has to go before we can enjoy life again. "
There is also however, a string argument for investing to grow the economy and getting out of debt that way. As things stand now , the poorest hit are having to pay for the bankers . I'm not sure you can post external links here , but google Corbyn speech on austerity in Manor Park. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think you have been brain washed .May is unpopular because she wants to get this country back on the straight and narrow
Liberalism in Europe evolved from tyrannical rule because the population became more educated and capable of reasoned decision making.
Tyrannical rule works well still in countries that are steeped in poverty and which have poor levels of education. Such people take comfort in strong leadership because leadership of this kind absolves them for the need to think or make decisions that they know little about. Poorly educated people feel that they need to be protected from the wider outside world because it scares them.
It is evident that in this country and in the United States, a significant percentage of the population want strong and overbearing Leadership at a time when general standards of education have fallen in both countries.
There is absolutely nothing clever about wanting to see all opposition to May (and Trump) crushed so that they can respectively deliver an ideologically driven mandate. The only people who would benefit from this would be big business and the VERY wealthy. The rest of us will be told that the enemies at the door can only be stopped by Trump/May and any dissent from that line will be crushed. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal."
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time "
So you prefer uneducated politicians then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then? "
The reason why we have brexit is cos people are not educated. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then? "
No I prefer politicians who have had experience of the real world and have had real jobs not left uni straight into the westminster bubble.
Just because someone can pass an exam doesnt mean they are clever or have common sense or vice versa |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then? "
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?"
Very undemocratic. We should vote for who we believe is best suited? We could go for corruption instead. That way the Tories can stay in power. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed. "
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?"
Bit of a strange approach considering for every extra qualification gained labour and Lib Dem's percentage of the vote increases.
Surely you want to keep the electorate uneducated if you want to increase Tory's chances.
-Matt |
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?
Bit of a strange approach considering for every extra qualification gained labour and Lib Dem's percentage of the vote increases.
Surely you want to keep the electorate uneducated if you want to increase Tory's chances.
-Matt"
The Lib dem vote seems to be increasing with people who spend half of their time stoned. For every extra smoker the Percentage of the Lib dem vote increases due to them wanting to legalise cannabis. |
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"We could vote for the strong but unpopular party or we could vote for the joke..
Take a look at America before you make any rash decisions..."
In America the least popular of the two main candidates won by losing the popular vote for more than 3 million votes. What you have in that country (after the least popular alternative won) is a cleptocracy in its beginnings that constantly attacks the media followed by a huge etc... Based on that mirror, perhaps it is best to vote for the most popular alternative in the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?
Bit of a strange approach considering for every extra qualification gained labour and Lib Dem's percentage of the vote increases.
Surely you want to keep the electorate uneducated if you want to increase Tory's chances.
-Matt"
Oh, so it's the well educated and well paid who vote for Labour now and not the low paid 'working man'? Well that's understandable I suppose as Labour abandoned them a long time ago. You don't have a clue do you? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?
Bit of a strange approach considering for every extra qualification gained labour and Lib Dem's percentage of the vote increases.
Surely you want to keep the electorate uneducated if you want to increase Tory's chances.
-Matt
Oh, so it's the well educated and well paid who vote for Labour now and not the low paid 'working man'? Well that's understandable I suppose as Labour abandoned them a long time ago. You don't have a clue do you? "
The well educated and the well paid are not necessarily the same thing. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?
Bit of a strange approach considering for every extra qualification gained labour and Lib Dem's percentage of the vote increases.
Surely you want to keep the electorate uneducated if you want to increase Tory's chances.
-Matt
Oh, so it's the well educated and well paid who vote for Labour now and not the low paid 'working man'? Well that's understandable I suppose as Labour abandoned them a long time ago. You don't have a clue do you? "
No. Read what I wrote and try again. I didn't say anything about pay. You said that would want to keep the electorate educated to assure a Tory victory. I disagree. You need to keep those low paid people stupid in order for them to keep voting Tory. If they get educated then they will realise that the Tories don't give a shit about them and are exploiting them and funding their wealthy pals.
If they were able to see past the crap they are being fed by Murdoch then they might realise that a vote for Tory is not in their best interests.
-Matt |
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Looking at the polls it seems that the ones predicting a close race are taking the youngest voters at their word that they'll vote which seems very unlikely. Its typically a group that overestimates the likelyhood of actually going to the ballot.
Despite a genuinely terrible campaign I cant see anything other than a Tory win. That said it'll be a reduced number of seats Id guess which would still put May on the backfoot. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed. "
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back "
The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Education is the main focus in this election and many say labour have the best deal.
Well best not to educate people too much or nobody will vote for them next time
So you prefer uneducated politicians then?
No, I prefer an educated electorate to assure a Tory victory. Who are you voting for by the way if you don't mind me asking?
Bit of a strange approach considering for every extra qualification gained labour and Lib Dem's percentage of the vote increases.
Surely you want to keep the electorate uneducated if you want to increase Tory's chances.
-Matt
Oh, so it's the well educated and well paid who vote for Labour now and not the low paid 'working man'? Well that's understandable I suppose as Labour abandoned them a long time ago. You don't have a clue do you?
No. Read what I wrote and try again. I didn't say anything about pay. You said that would want to keep the electorate educated to assure a Tory victory. I disagree. You need to keep those low paid people stupid in order for them to keep voting Tory. If they get educated then they will realise that the Tories don't give a shit about them and are exploiting them and funding their wealthy pals.
If they were able to see past the crap they are being fed by Murdoch then they might realise that a vote for Tory is not in their best interests.
-Matt"
So low paid stupid people vote Tory? Since when? And you may think that Labour give a shit about low paid people but every time they are in power they create more of them. Franky you need to educate yourself before voting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty. "
No it's not !
It's about a balance of paying for care
Everyone wants to take out of the system but dodge paying in
If the uk were a household the bank would of foreclosed
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No it's not !
It's about a balance of paying for care
Everyone wants to take out of the system but dodge paying in
If the uk were a household the bank would of foreclosed
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That is right too, but they have already cut most of the benefits to the people from dla to pip and some dont even get that anymore. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No it's not !
It's about a balance of paying for care
Everyone wants to take out of the system but dodge paying in
If the uk were a household the bank would of foreclosed
That is right too, but they have already cut most of the benefits to the people from dla to pip and some dont even get that anymore."
There has to be a massive change of attitude across the whole population
Automation /robotics are taking over millions of jobs are going to be lost it's happening now
Low paid jobs at Amozon as an example are being lost to automation
Get real people , increase in population will mean millions more People out of work especially the low Paid
Yes we need a redistribution of wealth but we certainly don't need an increase in poplation |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty. "
No they plan to make those that can work, work not sit at home and live of YOUR taxes and make those that can afford to pay towards their own care do so, that will leave more for those who genuinely cant afford to pay or are too disabled to do work. Again if stephen hawking can work how many cant do anything, not ever found someone who can dispute that fact |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No they plan to make those that can work, work not sit at home and live of YOUR taxes and make those that can afford to pay towards their own care do so, that will leave more for those who genuinely cant afford to pay or are too disabled to do work. Again if stephen hawking can work how many cant do anything, not ever found someone who can dispute that fact"
And how much support do you think Hawking requires in order to work? I think it is fantastic he is working. But I doubt that many people have the money, resources and support he has available to facilitate them working.
-Matt |
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No they plan to make those that can work, work not sit at home and live of YOUR taxes and make those that can afford to pay towards their own care do so, that will leave more for those who genuinely cant afford to pay or are too disabled to do work. Again if stephen hawking can work how many cant do anything, not ever found someone who can dispute that fact"
Or they could just give all the money they save to the well off and the big corporations  just saying  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No they plan to make those that can work, work not sit at home and live of YOUR taxes and make those that can afford to pay towards their own care do so, that will leave more for those who genuinely cant afford to pay or are too disabled to do work. Again if stephen hawking can work how many cant do anything, not ever found someone who can dispute that fact
And how much support do you think Hawking requires in order to work? I think it is fantastic he is working. But I doubt that many people have the money, resources and support he has available to facilitate them working.
-Matt"
Useing the most famous person on earth in a wheelchair to get people back to work is comedy gold.Hes also a labour supporter .Tell me how the goverment looks after the disabled .When the benefit cuts hit the disabled hardest..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No they plan to make those that can work, work not sit at home and live of YOUR taxes and make those that can afford to pay towards their own care do so, that will leave more for those who genuinely cant afford to pay or are too disabled to do work. Again if stephen hawking can work how many cant do anything, not ever found someone who can dispute that fact
And how much support do you think Hawking requires in order to work? I think it is fantastic he is working. But I doubt that many people have the money, resources and support he has available to facilitate them working.
-Matt Useing the most famous person on earth in a wheelchair to get people back to work is comedy gold.Hes also a labour supporter .Tell me how the goverment looks after the disabled .When the benefit cuts hit the disabled hardest.. "
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Everybody is sick to death about all these vulnerable people that the tories have labeled scroungers!! Getting kicked in the bollocks whilst they give the money they take off them to their rich mates.
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All I know is that we cant go on the way we are. Too many people going to a & e for petty injuries that just require a plaster or bandage, people who sit on their fat ass who think they are owed something in life for not working because they have 6 kids from 3 different fathers. Those who have been dependent on drugs/alcohol but wont go to drug counselling/AA but continue to be a burden on the NHS, the same goes for those who wont change their lifestyle to get healthier. Those who think that wealthy people should pay more tax when perhaps those wealthy people have earned their right to be where they are and put in their sleepless nights, the 16 hour days for many years. They pay enough tax imo.
Something needs to change... and I think its people's attitudes. Get a job, any job, get off your ass and do something for charity if you dont work. Be proud to be alive and in a half decent welfare state for gods sake.
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"Labour were 22% behind the Tories when they called this election. I bet Theresa May was so sure of winning , but now Labour are just 5% behind, and looking at both manifestos its easy to see why that gap has closed.
Thats very true.labour are promising to give lots of things to people whereas the tories are saying they will be making people pay for things,the trouble is the country cant afford the labour plans but that wont stop people voting for selfish reasons, the laugable point is that it will just make the younger generation and the one not yet born have even more debt to pay back The torys plan is to cut the benefits and care for the elderly, that is not fair as we will see more poverty.
No they plan to make those that can work, work not sit at home and live of YOUR taxes and make those that can afford to pay towards their own care do so, that will leave more for those who genuinely cant afford to pay or are too disabled to do work. Again if stephen hawking can work how many cant do anything, not ever found someone who can dispute that fact"
Stephen Hawking is employed because he has an extremely high level of intellect and expertise that, in the job market, compensates to a degree for his extreme level of physical disability. Most people, let alone disabled people, don't have this level of intellect. What jobs could people with hawkings level of physical disability be expected to do if they are of average intelligence? there are people like that in this country and they are being financially squeezed and being treated with suspicion by the Tories.
Its attitudes like yours that have helped create a climate where the deaths of over 2300 disabled peopled in 3 years, after they had been declared fit to work by a tory government, goes unquestioned and makes a mockery of any accusation that a vote against the Tories is a 'selfish' one.
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"All I know is that we cant go on the way we are. Too many people going to a & e for petty injuries that just require a plaster or bandage, people who sit on their fat ass who think they are owed something in life for not working because they have 6 kids from 3 different fathers. Those who have been dependent on drugs/alcohol but wont go to drug counselling/AA but continue to be a burden on the NHS, the same goes for those who wont change their lifestyle to get healthier. Those who think that wealthy people should pay more tax when perhaps those wealthy people have earned their right to be where they are and put in their sleepless nights, the 16 hour days for many years. They pay enough tax imo.
Something needs to change... and I think its people's attitudes. Get a job, any job, get off your ass and do something for charity if you dont work. Be proud to be alive and in a half decent welfare state for gods sake.
You might want to try living in other countries which do not have a welfare state.. you will soon be running back to the UK."
Yes. Attitudes need to change. Now please tell me how cutting benefits to the disabled, underfunding the NHS, cutting police, fire and frontline services, cutting free lunches from kids... how does all that encourage attitude change?
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"All I know is that we cant go on the way we are. Too many people going to a & e for petty injuries that just require a plaster or bandage, people who sit on their fat ass who think they are owed something in life for not working because they have 6 kids from 3 different fathers. Those who have been dependent on drugs/alcohol but wont go to drug counselling/AA but continue to be a burden on the NHS, the same goes for those who wont change their lifestyle to get healthier. Those who think that wealthy people should pay more tax when perhaps those wealthy people have earned their right to be where they are and put in their sleepless nights, the 16 hour days for many years. They pay enough tax imo.
Something needs to change... and I think its people's attitudes. Get a job, any job, get off your ass and do something for charity if you dont work. Be proud to be alive and in a half decent welfare state for gods sake.
You might want to try living in other countries which do not have a welfare state.. you will soon be running back to the UK.
Yes. Attitudes need to change. Now please tell me how cutting benefits to the disabled, underfunding the NHS, cutting police, fire and frontline services, cutting free lunches from kids... how does all that encourage attitude change?
-Matt"
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I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has to wear a nappy because he has no control over his bladder or bottom, but he does a physical job, he delivers hay and carries bales on his lap, he has a quad he cuts grass with for the NT among others and also has a small four digger he hauls himself up on and puts his chair over the bonnet, to top it all he is 60 years old, now tell people cant do some work, ok he maybe an extreme example but surely peoples self respect would make them want to earn their own crust, I saw the other day a mum complaining her 30 years son had lost his benefits because he has aspergers and cant get along with people, well plenty of jobs dont need people skills but hey why workwhen you can scrounge |
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"I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has to wear a nappy because he has no control over his bladder or bottom, but he does a physical job, he delivers hay and carries bales on his lap, he has a quad he cuts grass with for the NT among others and also has a small four digger he hauls himself up on and puts his chair over the bonnet, to top it all he is 60 years old, now tell people cant do some work, ok he maybe an extreme example but surely peoples self respect would make them want to earn their own crust, I saw the other day a mum complaining her 30 years son had lost his benefits because he has aspergers and cant get along with people, well plenty of jobs dont need people skills but hey why workwhen you can scrounge"
May I say that is a totally blinkered view.
..Teresa May and her cohorts could not have put it better!
Tell that to the thousands of these so called scroungers who have committed suicide due to having been kicked off their disability benefits due to some nurse on a target bonus knowing better the GPs and consultants.
Then what do they do with the savings they make?
I'll tell you they give them to there rich mates! It's bloody disgusting and I don't know how they sleep at night.
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"I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has to wear a nappy because he has no control over his bladder or bottom, but he does a physical job, he delivers hay and carries bales on his lap, he has a quad he cuts grass with for the NT among others and also has a small four digger he hauls himself up on and puts his chair over the bonnet, to top it all he is 60 years old, now tell people cant do some work, ok he maybe an extreme example but surely peoples self respect would make them want to earn their own crust, I saw the other day a mum complaining her 30 years son had lost his benefits because he has aspergers and cant get along with people, well plenty of jobs dont need people skills but hey why workwhen you can scrounge"
From what you have said it sounds like your friend doesn't have the same level of physical disability as those i'm talking about. I specifically asked you about people with the same level of physical disability as Hawking, who do not have his level of intellect. I work for people in this situation and I've seen first hand how they're treated by this government: With suspicion and contempt. What jobs would you suggest they do?
Also, and any tory supporter on these boards can contribute to this, what's your opinion on the 2300 deaths in 3 years of disabled people in this country that had been previously declared fit to work by the government, that the government has thus far failed to explain? |
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"I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has to wear a nappy because he has no control over his bladder or bottom, but he does a physical job, he delivers hay and carries bales on his lap, he has a quad he cuts grass with for the NT among others and also has a small four digger he hauls himself up on and puts his chair over the bonnet, to top it all he is 60 years old, now tell people cant do some work, ok he maybe an extreme example but surely peoples self respect would make them want to earn their own crust, I saw the other day a mum complaining her 30 years son had lost his benefits because he has aspergers and cant get along with people, well plenty of jobs dont need people skills but hey why workwhen you can scrounge
From what you have said it sounds like your friend doesn't have the same level of physical disability as those i'm talking about. I specifically asked you about people with the same level of physical disability as Hawking, who do not have his level of intellect. I work for people in this situation and I've seen first hand how they're treated by this government: With suspicion and contempt. What jobs would you suggest they do?
Also, and any tory supporter on these boards can contribute to this, what's your opinion on the 2300 deaths in 3 years of disabled people in this country that had been previously declared fit to work by the government, that the government has thus far failed to explain?"
I cant comment on any deaths because I dont know the details so how relevant it is to having any benefits withdrawn is I cant say.
Of course I'm not saying my friend is as bad as SH, very few are and I dont think anyone in his position is likely to be classed as fit to work, I am sure we would hear about it and quite rightly, the cases we see are IMVHO pretty slight difficulties. I have no problem in giving help to those that need it but we all know of people who play the system and with respect those who encourage that are doing a huge disservice to the genuine ones and take resources that could and should be spent on those in real need, its not about making savings in my mind its about giving more help to those in most need and making the scroungers work, surely even left wing liberals expect those that can do something to do so, or lets alljust go on the dole and have an easy time
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By *oi_LucyCouple
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"I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has to wear a nappy because he has no control over his bladder or bottom, but he does a physical job, he delivers hay and carries bales on his lap, he has a quad he cuts grass with for the NT among others and also has a small four digger he hauls himself up on and puts his chair over the bonnet, to top it all he is 60 years old, now tell people cant do some work, ok he maybe an extreme example but surely peoples self respect would make them want to earn their own crust, I saw the other day a mum complaining her 30 years son had lost his benefits because he has aspergers and cant get along with people, well plenty of jobs dont need people skills but hey why workwhen you can scrounge
From what you have said it sounds like your friend doesn't have the same level of physical disability as those i'm talking about. I specifically asked you about people with the same level of physical disability as Hawking, who do not have his level of intellect. I work for people in this situation and I've seen first hand how they're treated by this government: With suspicion and contempt. What jobs would you suggest they do?
Also, and any tory supporter on these boards can contribute to this, what's your opinion on the 2300 deaths in 3 years of disabled people in this country that had been previously declared fit to work by the government, that the government has thus far failed to explain?
I cant comment on any deaths because I dont know the details so how relevant it is to having any benefits withdrawn is I cant say.
Of course I'm not saying my friend is as bad as SH, very few are and I dont think anyone in his position is likely to be classed as fit to work, I am sure we would hear about it and quite rightly, the cases we see are IMVHO pretty slight difficulties. I have no problem in giving help to those that need it but we all know of people who play the system and with respect those who encourage that are doing a huge disservice to the genuine ones and take resources that could and should be spent on those in real need, its not about making savings in my mind its about giving more help to those in most need and making the scroungers work, surely even left wing liberals expect those that can do something to do so, or lets alljust go on the dole and have an easy time
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The last figures I saw from a few years ago put the level of fraud in disability benefits at 0.7%. Yes, less than one percent. How many people do you wish to disadvantage, degrade, humiliate, and in some cases kill, just to get that 0.7% figure down?
Focus your effort on more substantial frauds.
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The last figures I saw from a few years ago put the level of fraud in disability benefits at 0.7%. Yes, less than one percent. How many people do you wish to disadvantage, degrade, humiliate, and in some cases kill, just to get that 0.7% figure down?
Focus your effort on more substantial frauds.
-Matt"
Its strange how people claim the rich "evade" taxes how do they know this? Because someone thinks they are, evading tax is illegal just the same as claiming disability payments,but how many in each case are "playing" the rules NO one knows because until they get caught. The figure you quote is for those prosecuted for benefit fraud IE the guy who said he couldnt walk who was caught reffing a footie game,not those pulling the wool over the govs eye, are you supporting those that take benefits from those that really need and deserve them, you must live in a very small world if you dont know someone who is a shirker and is claiming disability, I know one who has been reported(not by me) but still gets his payments as he knows how to play the game, that is money taken from someone who needs it far more. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
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The last figures I saw from a few years ago put the level of fraud in disability benefits at 0.7%. Yes, less than one percent. How many people do you wish to disadvantage, degrade, humiliate, and in some cases kill, just to get that 0.7% figure down?
Focus your effort on more substantial frauds.
-Matt
Its strange how people claim the rich "evade" taxes how do they know this? Because someone thinks they are, evading tax is illegal just the same as claiming disability payments,but how many in each case are "playing" the rules NO one knows because until they get caught. The figure you quote is for those prosecuted for benefit fraud IE the guy who said he couldnt walk who was caught reffing a footie game,not those pulling the wool over the govs eye, are you supporting those that take benefits from those that really need and deserve them, you must live in a very small world if you dont know someone who is a shirker and is claiming disability, I know one who has been reported(not by me) but still gets his payments as he knows how to play the game, that is money taken from someone who needs it far more. "
No, I am not supporting taking benefits away from those that really need and deserve them.
No, I don't know anyone who is a shirker and claiming disability benefits.
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The last figures I saw from a few years ago put the level of fraud in disability benefits at 0.7%. Yes, less than one percent. How many people do you wish to disadvantage, degrade, humiliate, and in some cases kill, just to get that 0.7% figure down?
Focus your effort on more substantial frauds.
-Matt
Its strange how people claim the rich "evade" taxes how do they know this? Because someone thinks they are, evading tax is illegal just the same as claiming disability payments,but how many in each case are "playing" the rules NO one knows because until they get caught. The figure you quote is for those prosecuted for benefit fraud IE the guy who said he couldnt walk who was caught reffing a footie game,not those pulling the wool over the govs eye, are you supporting those that take benefits from those that really need and deserve them, you must live in a very small world if you dont know someone who is a shirker and is claiming disability, I know one who has been reported(not by me) but still gets his payments as he knows how to play the game, that is money taken from someone who needs it far more.
No, I am not supporting taking benefits away from those that really need and deserve them.
No, I don't know anyone who is a shirker and claiming disability benefits.
-Matt"
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"I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has to wear a nappy because he has no control over his bladder or bottom, but he does a physical job, he delivers hay and carries bales on his lap, he has a quad he cuts grass with for the NT among others and also has a small four digger he hauls himself up on and puts his chair over the bonnet, to top it all he is 60 years old, now tell people cant do some work, ok he maybe an extreme example but surely peoples self respect would make them want to earn their own crust, I saw the other day a mum complaining her 30 years son had lost his benefits because he has aspergers and cant get along with people, well plenty of jobs dont need people skills but hey why workwhen you can scrounge
From what you have said it sounds like your friend doesn't have the same level of physical disability as those i'm talking about. I specifically asked you about people with the same level of physical disability as Hawking, who do not have his level of intellect. I work for people in this situation and I've seen first hand how they're treated by this government: With suspicion and contempt. What jobs would you suggest they do?
Also, and any tory supporter on these boards can contribute to this, what's your opinion on the 2300 deaths in 3 years of disabled people in this country that had been previously declared fit to work by the government, that the government has thus far failed to explain?
I cant comment on any deaths because I dont know the details so how relevant it is to having any benefits withdrawn is I cant say.
Of course I'm not saying my friend is as bad as SH, very few are and I dont think anyone in his position is likely to be classed as fit to work, I am sure we would hear about it and quite rightly, the cases we see are IMVHO pretty slight difficulties. I have no problem in giving help to those that need it but we all know of people who play the system and with respect those who encourage that are doing a huge disservice to the genuine ones and take resources that could and should be spent on those in real need, its not about making savings in my mind its about giving more help to those in most need and making the scroungers work, surely even left wing liberals expect those that can do something to do so, or lets alljust go on the dole and have an easy time
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I've not heard of anyone with such a severe level of physical disability lose their benefit altogether but I have seen them being spoken to in a suspicious and very disrespectful tone for hours by the authorities with regard to what they do with the money they receive.
I've seen them told they are going to have motion sensor cameras put in their home to see how much their staff 'move' (not only is this an invasion of privacy it also completely fails to understand the level of emotional support some disabled people require, not something that can be measured by a motion sensor camera)
I've known disabled people to take legal action against such measures but guess what? Their right to legal aid has been taken away by the Tories.
So they can't they pay out of their own money? you might ask. Ok, but they are only allowed to save a fairly low amount before the amount they are being given to live on starts being questioned. I've known disabled people to take legal action against such measures, eat into their (very small) savings to pay for it and win, but then be forced to hand money back to the government. They are then living hand to mouth and terrified at what another 5 years of Tory rule will bring. And that's the smart ones. Some disabled people think they have to do what they're told as they lack the knowledge to fight back.
The level of stress ive seen disabled people put under by this government is obscene but then they contribute relatively small amounts to the economy, probably don't vote for the tories anyway (who know most people would rather look in the opposite direction than help them) so fuck 'em.
And also...the idea that 'scroungers' are taking from the people that need it is a myth perpetuated by right wing politicians & media determined to sew division and divert attention from the fact they just don't want to help the most vulnerable in society. The measures being taken to chase up disabled benefit cheats are completely inefficient and costs more than it saves.
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The last figures I saw from a few years ago put the level of fraud in disability benefits at 0.7%. Yes, less than one percent. How many people do you wish to disadvantage, degrade, humiliate, and in some cases kill, just to get that 0.7% figure down?
Focus your effort on more substantial frauds.
-Matt
Its strange how people claim the rich "evade" taxes how do they know this? Because someone thinks they are, evading tax is illegal just the same as claiming disability payments,but how many in each case are "playing" the rules NO one knows because until they get caught. The figure you quote is for those prosecuted for benefit fraud IE the guy who said he couldnt walk who was caught reffing a footie game,not those pulling the wool over the govs eye, are you supporting those that take benefits from those that really need and deserve them, you must live in a very small world if you dont know someone who is a shirker and is claiming disability, I know one who has been reported(not by me) but still gets his payments as he knows how to play the game, that is money taken from someone who needs it far more.
No, I am not supporting taking benefits away from those that really need and deserve them.
No, I don't know anyone who is a shirker and claiming disability benefits.
-Matt
Then you need to get out more. There are plenty in most Wetherspoons at 9am every day"
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The last figures I saw from a few years ago put the level of fraud in disability benefits at 0.7%. Yes, less than one percent. How many people do you wish to disadvantage, degrade, humiliate, and in some cases kill, just to get that 0.7% figure down?
Focus your effort on more substantial frauds.
-Matt
Its strange how people claim the rich "evade" taxes how do they know this? Because someone thinks they are, evading tax is illegal just the same as claiming disability payments,but how many in each case are "playing" the rules NO one knows because until they get caught. The figure you quote is for those prosecuted for benefit fraud IE the guy who said he couldnt walk who was caught reffing a footie game,not those pulling the wool over the govs eye, are you supporting those that take benefits from those that really need and deserve them, you must live in a very small world if you dont know someone who is a shirker and is claiming disability, I know one who has been reported(not by me) but still gets his payments as he knows how to play the game, that is money taken from someone who needs it far more.
No, I am not supporting taking benefits away from those that really need and deserve them.
No, I don't know anyone who is a shirker and claiming disability benefits.
-Matt
Then you need to get out more. There are plenty in most Wetherspoons at 9am every day"
I tend not to hang around Wetherspoons at 9am. Not since a student and need of a cheap brekky the morning after!
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