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so.... day 1... where do we stand so far?
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
i think this would an interesting thing to start...
not looking at starting any fights....
if it were today... whats in your head at the moment... and if it were today who would you vote for?
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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The first thing I thought when I heard was 'Oh for Fucks Sake'.
I'm going to have to get a postal vote as I'll be out of the country for the vote itself but will probably vote Labour or, as that's a wasted vote in my constituency, Green. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
me first.....
basically i see myself as being a centre/centre left person....
it comes down do one question for me...
can i see myself voting for a jeremy corbyn led labour party....
at the moment... the answer is not even close!!!
so if it were today, i would likely vote lib dem....
i want as soft a brexit as possible... what tersea and the hardline tories are suggesting scares me..... |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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i want to vote green, think that'd be a wasted vote though. esp now we've left the EU and won't be getting subsidised for being green anyway.
dunno, labour i think just so the tories don't get back in. which is shit but would work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i want to vote green, think that'd be a wasted vote though. esp now we've left the EU and won't be getting subsidised for being green anyway.
dunno, labour i think just so the tories don't get back in. which is shit but would work."
The greens are on the up...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Extreme green..
You got Bruce Banner standing there then? 
Have heard that the Greens are targeting a seat in Bristol for their second MP."
Yep... hulk smash the opposition
I Think they will be a popular protest vote . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The Labour MPs I heard on the radio e.g. Mann and Abbott were audibly moaning that May had done a U turn rather than celebrating the fact that they had just been given an opportunity to turf her out.
Day 1? I think Corbyn's already written his resignation speech. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government."
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? "
No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol."
A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. "
Yes, that would be the best outcome of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it."
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster! |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"i want to vote green, think that'd be a wasted vote though. esp now we've left the EU and won't be getting subsidised for being green anyway.
dunno, labour i think just so the tories don't get back in. which is shit but would work.The greens are on the up... "
enough to keep the tories out though?
i don't vote much but the only time i do i vote green. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!"
But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition."
We are a democratic country with a strong human rights stance. Having a single party wont change that.
Coalition governments are dreadful. No one agrees, so nothing happens. Look at our last coalition, 5 years wasted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition."
Exactly The conservatives have no love for human rights and equality.They'll move further to the right. A coalition would be a thumb in the eye to brexit. |
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Jezza asked me for a donation to his election campaign, I had to first point out I was no longer a Labour Party member & secondly that if he resigned I'd happily contribute. We have no effective opposition other than the SNP...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition.
We are a democratic country with a strong human rights stance. Having a single party wont change that.
Coalition governments are dreadful. No one agrees, so nothing happens. Look at our last coalition, 5 years wasted."
We have already seen with brexit how they think of human rights with the disabled, by almost taking away all their benefits and even their mobility cars. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition. Exactly The conservatives have no love for human rights and equality.They'll move further to the right. A coalition would be a thumb in the eye to brexit."
That is right as in this way with a coalition, they will keep them in check mate. |
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition.
We are a democratic country with a strong human rights stance. Having a single party wont change that.
Coalition governments are dreadful. No one agrees, so nothing happens. Look at our last coalition, 5 years wasted.We have already seen with brexit how they think of human rights with the disabled, by almost taking away all their benefits and even their mobility cars."
It is interesting about mobility carts, spent a week in Sicily recently in the 2nd biggest town & saw none at all - wtf is wrong with people in this country? Clearly some need the carts, no problem there, but we saw none at all! Perhaps we are over using them? |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!But it is better than one way politic, which is dangerous for democracy and human rights with no opposition.
We are a democratic country with a strong human rights stance. Having a single party wont change that.
Coalition governments are dreadful. No one agrees, so nothing happens. Look at our last coalition, 5 years wasted.We have already seen with brexit how they think of human rights with the disabled, by almost taking away all their benefits and even their mobility cars."
they were doing that before brexit.
first thing they did was take a lot of people off DLA and shove them on ESA. both are for disabled people, just ESA is way less money, same as job seekers allowance in fact.
next they changed the criteria for being disabled. i've not claimed disability myself but my mobility has gone down a lot this past few years, so much so now that i'm having to make life changes that cost me money. i was thinking of applying for extra money to help with my extra costs but having looked at the new criteria i doubt i'll be eligible. gonna try anyway, will be surprised if they help me out in any way at all. hopefully my doctor will be able to get me this help for free if i don't. otherwise i'm going to become increasingly housebound and i'm making progress so far but it's costing me money to do this. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"Oops, misred carts! But we saw virtually no disabled car badges either..."
20 yrs ago and longer it'd be the same here. the disabled were housebound as families struggled to get out. there was no help with ramps on trains or buses that lowered their wheels so you could get on with a wheelchair (or pram) easily.
it's not really that being disabled is that much of a problem, it's just we have created a world where being disabled meant you didn't have the resources to fit in. it's not cheaper to have your own disability car than it is to claim benefits and use public transport but if you do need a car to get out and about (which some do) then it is cheaper than buying/renting your own vehicle.
other countries are maybe behind on disability rights or benefits? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do labour realistically ever stand a chance of garnering enough votes in England to form a government again?
The SNP have pretty much usurped and blown them out of the water in Scotland, then there's the seemingly endemic jeering misanthrope and contempt they exhibit toward their traditional grass roots..
The conservatives would have to screw up royally as things stand for labour to become remotely electable again. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"Strange how many claim they are hard up but still can afford to smoke,it might even help their health if they gave up  "
all disabled people smoke? if that's a personal attack then you just drifted into fallacy areas and the debate ends. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Strange how many claim they are hard up but still can afford to smoke,it might even help their health if they gave up
all disabled people smoke? if that's a personal attack then you just drifted into fallacy areas and the debate ends."
Is smoking expensive ? Yes so if people can afford to smoke then they cant claim to be hard up |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?"
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it. "
LMAO Tories and strong economy eh ? 2010 they have been in government in the UK and still yet to meet a target and only added to the UK debt that is trillions in debt and thats something great ? not to mention how the Tories dont care about those that are unfit to work losing their money and being told your fit to work when they clear are not
The Tories have no shame Ian Duncan Smith heartless bastard that has alot of blood on his hands.
Calling Scottish people whinging windbags that believe that the country they live in should be independent and have the right to self govern is not smart.
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"Strange how many claim they are hard up but still can afford to smoke,it might even help their health if they gave up
all disabled people smoke? if that's a personal attack then you just drifted into fallacy areas and the debate ends.
Is smoking expensive ? Yes so if people can afford to smoke then they cant claim to be hard up "
depends how much and what the're smoking? roll ups cost fuck all and so does vaping.
all disabled people have extra expenses because society hasn't been created to be inclusive to them. they get written off so easily, still a lot of stigma attached to them. because it's pretty much always presumed someone able bodied is a better choice.
pretty sure you posted that comment without understanding anything about disability. and it bothers me coz i know a lot of disabled people and i am entering that realm myself knowing what will help me and what is working now. it's not free, nothing much is these days that would actually help people and improve society overall, and that's a huge part of another problem.
you could educate yourself on disability for nothing btw, loads of free information out there on where society is failing them. |
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
LMAO Tories and strong economy eh ? 2010 they have been in government in the UK and still yet to meet a target and only added to the UK debt that is trillions in debt and thats something great ? not to mention how the Tories dont care about those that are unfit to work losing their money and being told your fit to work when they clear are not
The Tories have no shame Ian Duncan Smith heartless bastard that has alot of blood on his hands.
Calling Scottish people whinging windbags that believe that the country they live in should be independent and have the right to self govern is not smart.
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Scotland will always need a bigger teat to figuratively suckle upon to sustain it. Who pays for the many generous social entitlement programmes in Scotland (free prescriptions, university) ? English tax payers largely.
Scotland should definitely have devolved government , it makes sense to have politicians who are from and engaged with the grass roots overseeing and officiating the daily running and upkeep ..
I don't personally understand political Scottish nationalism, Scotland doesn't seem to do too badly as a UK region.
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I've voted ukip at the last 3 general elections but now the EU referendum is won for Leave it may be time for some tactical voting. My local MP for cannock is a Tory, and as long as the tories aim to deliver Brexit I can support them so I'll be voting conservative this time. I think it'll be a landslide victory for the tories and labour will be wiped out. |
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it. "
I hope you do get the vote to kick us out ... be most welcome.
Only see you whinging here.
And for the record its independence. Make sure you spell it right when voting for scotland to have it.
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
LMAO Tories and strong economy eh ? 2010 they have been in government in the UK and still yet to meet a target and only added to the UK debt that is trillions in debt and thats something great ? not to mention how the Tories dont care about those that are unfit to work losing their money and being told your fit to work when they clear are not
The Tories have no shame Ian Duncan Smith heartless bastard that has alot of blood on his hands.
Calling Scottish people whinging windbags that believe that the country they live in should be independent and have the right to self govern is not smart.
Scotland will always need a bigger teat to figuratively suckle upon to sustain it. Who pays for the many generous social entitlement programmes in Scotland (free prescriptions, university) ? English tax payers largely.
Scotland should definitely have devolved government , it makes sense to have politicians who are from and engaged with the grass roots overseeing and officiating the daily running and upkeep ..
I don't personally understand political Scottish nationalism, Scotland doesn't seem to do too badly as a UK region.
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Scotland is not a region its a country that is in a union with 3 other countries the UK is not a country.
If Scotland is subside junkies then why is Westminster so keen to keep Scotland i mean if England subsides Scotland then why not let Scotland go and save money ?
Yet British nationalism seems to be ok
How crazy it is that the UK government want independence for a non country as its a union of 4 nations and 3 of the nations reject the Tories but have to suffer their cuts yet the UK government want to dictator when Scotland can have a independence referendum when the will of the Scottish voters elected a party on their manifesto to have the right to hold one
The UK is a dictatorship of right wing assholes and is clearly not an equal partnership ,/ family of nations united my arse!! |
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it. "
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation. |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up°
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It must be nice to believe in fairy tales.
This Government have repeatedly missed their own economic targets and the national debt has been going up each year.
Just cutting a bunch of services is not the same as being strong economically. |
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!"
When the things not getting done are stupid brexit and fucking the NHS, then  |
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"i want to vote green, think that'd be a wasted vote though. esp now we've left the EU and won't be getting subsidised for being green anyway.
dunno, labour i think just so the tories don't get back in. which is shit but would work.The greens are on the up... "
That because it's spring?
In the local election, here in Worcester South (county elections) it is a two way fight between Tory and green candidates.
As the green policies....from the 7 leaflets I've binned so far...are completely far left wing uncosted garbage (makes Corbyn look like a Thatcher)..... I'm afraid I'll be voting Tory just to keep the lunatics from taking over the asylum. |
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it, if someone else gets in, or the best outcome would be a coalition government.
Shag mate, are the steroids frying your mind? No, they are talking about the same thing on lbc lol. A coalition would be my preference and not unlikely at all. Yes, that would be the best outcome of it.
No it wouldnt. Nothing gets done in a coalition. It would be a total disaster!"
A lot got done between 2010 and 2015 and, if we'd had another Con/Lib coalition this time we wouldn't be wasting all this time and effort on BREXIT now. |
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There is only one issue that matters in this general election and that's BREXIT.
I believe that BREXIT is bad for Britain economically, could possibly lead to the breakup of the UK and is destabilising for the whole of Europe at a time when Europe faces more threats to it's security and stability than at any time since WWII.
If the vote was today I would vote LibDem and don't think there is anything likely to change that between now and 8 June.
Unfortunately I think the Conservatives will most likely win and possibly by a landslide. If they don't then the only other realistic alternative would be a grand coalition of Labour, LibDems and SNP. Even if the maths works there is almost no possibly of another Con/Lib coalition, which would be my preferred result. |
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"The reason she have an election is cos she is scared of brexit, so this will jsutify it,"
Tory HQ have realised that the post brexit economy in 2020 isn't going to be a land of supa supa trade deals and honey but rather a huge millstone to take into an election campaign. |
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"Strange how many claim they are hard up but still can afford to smoke,it might even help their health if they gave up "
Don't forget the Sky Sports and smartphones!, I bet you've even seen people climbing out of a blue badge car and they didn't even need a wheelchair |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
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Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession? |
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"I've voted ukip at the last 3 general elections but now the EU referendum is won for Leave it may be time for some tactical voting. My local MP for cannock is a Tory, and as long as the tories aim to deliver Brexit I can support them so I'll be voting conservative this time. I think it'll be a landslide victory for the tories and labour will be wiped out. "
The Ukips are so fucked even Centaur is abandoning ship! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up°
It must be nice to believe in fairy tales.
This Government have repeatedly missed their own economic targets and the national debt has been going up each year.
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You do understand the difference between national deficit and national debt and how one dictates the other ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?"
All results of having to clean the shit up left behind by half witted socialist regimes |
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation. "
Not really. Pull every single piece of UK military out of Scotland and use it to defend the border.
Also cancel all military commercial contracts with Scotland and bring the jobs back to the rest of the Union. We've subsidised Scotland far too long. Time for them to grow up and leave home. |
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"me first.....
basically i see myself as being a centre/centre left person....
it comes down do one question for me...
can i see myself voting for a jeremy corbyn led labour party....
at the moment... the answer is not even close!!!
so if it were today, i would likely vote lib dem....
i want as soft a brexit as possible... what tersea and the hardline tories are suggesting scares me....."
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over a year ago
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"me first.....
basically i see myself as being a centre/centre left person....
it comes down do one question for me...
can i see myself voting for a jeremy corbyn led labour party....
at the moment... the answer is not even close!!!
so if it were today, i would likely vote lib dem....
i want as soft a brexit as possible... what tersea and the hardline tories are suggesting scares me....."
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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depends how much and what the're smoking? roll ups cost fuck all and so does vaping.
all disabled people have extra expenses because society hasn't been created to be inclusive to them. they get written off so easily, still a lot of stigma attached to them. because it's pretty much always presumed someone able bodied is a better choice.
pretty sure you posted that comment without understanding anything about disability. and it bothers me coz i know a lot of disabled people and i am entering that realm myself knowing what will help me and what is working now. it's not free, nothing much is these days that would actually help people and improve society overall, and that's a huge part of another problem.
you could educate yourself on disability for nothing btw, loads of free information out there on where society is failing them."
I have two good friends who are disabled,one lost his right arm as achild but still has managed to milk cows and run his farmin NZ the other had a his back broken but still does a physical job and works hours that would make most able bodied baulk at,so yes I do know about it, I am fully supportive of those who have real problems but I see far too many who use any problem as a reason do do very little for themselves |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation.
Not really. Pull every single piece of UK military out of Scotland and use it to defend the border.
Also cancel all military commercial contracts with Scotland and bring the jobs back to the rest of the Union. We've subsidised Scotland far too long. Time for them to grow up and leave home. "
Do you would militarise the border with Scotland and force it into economic difficulties? What about Wales? And what about N Ireland?
What about the |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation.
Not really. Pull every single piece of UK military out of Scotland and use it to defend the border.
Also cancel all military commercial contracts with Scotland and bring the jobs back to the rest of the Union. We've subsidised Scotland far too long. Time for them to grow up and leave home.
Do you would militarise the border with Scotland and force it into economic difficulties? What about Wales? And what about N Ireland?
What about the "
Yes. They want independence. That them have the consequences of it as well. Or is Scotland like a stroppy teenager? Wants to live alone, but still scrounges off the bank of mum and dad. |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?
All results of having to clean the shit up left behind by half witted socialist regimes"
Even Thatcher's second recession after 10yrs in government?, you've been reading the Sun too much |
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depends how much and what the're smoking? roll ups cost fuck all and so does vaping.
all disabled people have extra expenses because society hasn't been created to be inclusive to them. they get written off so easily, still a lot of stigma attached to them. because it's pretty much always presumed someone able bodied is a better choice.
pretty sure you posted that comment without understanding anything about disability. and it bothers me coz i know a lot of disabled people and i am entering that realm myself knowing what will help me and what is working now. it's not free, nothing much is these days that would actually help people and improve society overall, and that's a huge part of another problem.
you could educate yourself on disability for nothing btw, loads of free information out there on where society is failing them.
I have two good friends who are disabled,one lost his right arm as achild but still has managed to milk cows and run his farmin NZ the other had a his back broken but still does a physical job and works hours that would make most able bodied baulk at,so yes I do know about it, I am fully supportive of those who have real problems but I see far too many who use any problem as a reason do do very little for themselves "
There's a vacancy at Capita for someone with "I can spot disability" X-ray vision. |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up°
It must be nice to believe in fairy tales.
This Government have repeatedly missed their own economic targets and the national debt has been going up each year.
You do understand the difference between national deficit and national debt and how one dictates the other ?"
Yes. The deficit is down because the Tories have cut the shit out of public services, not because they're economic wizards. |
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation.
Not really. Pull every single piece of UK military out of Scotland and use it to defend the border.
Also cancel all military commercial contracts with Scotland and bring the jobs back to the rest of the Union. We've subsidised Scotland far too long. Time for them to grow up and leave home.
Do you would militarise the border with Scotland and force it into economic difficulties? What about Wales? And what about N Ireland?
What about the "
A majority in Wales voted to leave the EU and there is no call there for independence apart from Plaid Cymru who have only limited support from the Welsh electorate. |
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"I've voted ukip at the last 3 general elections but now the EU referendum is won for Leave it may be time for some tactical voting. My local MP for cannock is a Tory, and as long as the tories aim to deliver Brexit I can support them so I'll be voting conservative this time. I think it'll be a landslide victory for the tories and labour will be wiped out.
The Ukips are so fucked even Centaur is abandoning ship!"
Not really, ukip have achieved what they set out to do which is Leave the EU. Article 50 has been triggered and Now it's all about Theresa May and the Tory government getting a healthy majority to deliver Brexit, that's why I'll be voting conservative this time.
I think ukip may well pick up a few seats in some areas, in particular Nigel Farage in South Thanet and possibly in some strong Labour areas that voted Leave. Aaron Banks announced today he will be standing against Douglas Carswell too which will be an interesting one to watch. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation.
Not really. Pull every single piece of UK military out of Scotland and use it to defend the border.
Also cancel all military commercial contracts with Scotland and bring the jobs back to the rest of the Union. We've subsidised Scotland far too long. Time for them to grow up and leave home. "
Try thinking before your fingers start typing!
Firstly, Scottish tax payers have contributed to the cost of the armed forces so are entitled to a pro-rata share of them.
Secondly, a large number of Scots are in the armed forces and would probably take a dim view of being ordered to do what you suggest.
Finally, if you're relying on a bunch of English troops guarding a border against a bunch of Scottish troops, I know who my money would be on and it's not the English. History shows that if there is any real fighting to be done, the army has always relied on the Scots. Please don't suggest that's just because they're cannon fodder, it's because they know the English troops aren't up to the job.
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By *educedWoman
over a year ago
Birmingham |
I'll be voting Labour. Hard habits die hard and all that.
My MP (Labour) has also served me well (and his constituency) for 25 years and really cares about the neighbourhood(s) and the communities within in it.
I also cannot vote for the Conservatives. I'm allergic!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Conservative every time.
I do think there should be second vote in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to eject Scotland from the Union.
Based on what exactly?
A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
B. The Scots are whinging windbags, and its time to cut them loose. They want independance according to Chairman Sturgeon... let them have it.
An independent Scotland would be a disaster for national security. Firstly infrastructure critical to this counties nuclear deterrent is based on Scottish territory. Secondly we would loose the great benefit we have as an island nation of not having a porous land border with another nation.
Not really. Pull every single piece of UK military out of Scotland and use it to defend the border.
Also cancel all military commercial contracts with Scotland and bring the jobs back to the rest of the Union. We've subsidised Scotland far too long. Time for them to grow up and leave home.
Try thinking before your fingers start typing!
Firstly, Scottish tax payers have contributed to the cost of the armed forces so are entitled to a pro-rata share of them.
Secondly, a large number of Scots are in the armed forces and would probably take a dim view of being ordered to do what you suggest.
Finally, if you're relying on a bunch of English troops guarding a border against a bunch of Scottish troops, I know who my money would be on and it's not the English. History shows that if there is any real fighting to be done, the army has always relied on the Scots. Please don't suggest that's just because they're cannon fodder, it's because they know the English troops aren't up to the job.
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Any soldiers signed up to be in the British Army, they can move South, or quit. If Scotland leaves the Union, let them sort their own defences out.
As I said, they cant have it both ways. Simple. They're in, or out.
Finally, with regards defending the border. Dont make me laugh, we aint living in mediaeval times... and as I remember my history, the English frequently whopped them, hence them being annexed. |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?"
Funny how the Tories forget that
Conservatives don't have a clue about infrastructure for long term investment or industrial strategy either. Love selling off UK assets to foreign owners for short term gain. Now going back to a failed 50's educational policy when other countries recognise all children contribute to future economic success. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?
Funny how the Tories forget that
Conservatives don't have a clue about infrastructure for long term investment or industrial strategy either. Love selling off UK assets to foreign owners for short term gain. Now going back to a failed 50's educational policy when other countries recognise all children contribute to future economic success."
Gordon Brown and the UK (our) gold, ring any bells? |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?
Funny how the Tories forget that
Conservatives don't have a clue about infrastructure for long term investment or industrial strategy either. Love selling off UK assets to foreign owners for short term gain. Now going back to a failed 50's educational policy when other countries recognise all children contribute to future economic success.
Gordon Brown and the UK (our) gold, ring any bells?"
Which was sold to pay down debt. Make you mind up what economic target is a priority |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?
Funny how the Tories forget that
Conservatives don't have a clue about infrastructure for long term investment or industrial strategy either. Love selling off UK assets to foreign owners for short term gain. Now going back to a failed 50's educational policy when other countries recognise all children contribute to future economic success.
Gordon Brown and the UK (our) gold, ring any bells?"
Or lets take a step back to the 1970s. Labour managed to get inflation up to 25%. Quite impressive. Of course that was 'old' Labour. New Labour are much better with economics. Didnt we have near zero national debt before Blair and Brown fucked it all up and spent it on vanity projects?
With regards the NHS have a look into the investments that Tony and Cherie have made in the private sector during his term as Prime Minister. Tell me it was ever going to be safe in Labours hands... complete phoneys.
You socialists have been skull fucked by Labour, new and old, for so long that you dont see the light.
Modern socialist MPs dont give a shit about you or the 'working man'... their priority is themselves and their champagne socialist lifestyles
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?
Funny how the Tories forget that
Conservatives don't have a clue about infrastructure for long term investment or industrial strategy either. Love selling off UK assets to foreign owners for short term gain. Now going back to a failed 50's educational policy when other countries recognise all children contribute to future economic success.
Gordon Brown and the UK (our) gold, ring any bells?
Which was sold to pay down debt. Make you mind up what economic target is a priority "
Ok, remind us of the price of gold when he sold it?
Did he compound his error by advertising the fact that he was going to sell the gold? |
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I don't think I'm a socialist just yet and also not a clueless stooge for fat cat tax dodgers. National debt fell from it's peak after WW2 until the end of the seventies. Going back 40 years shows a lack of confidence in current Tory policy |
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A. The Conservatives always create an economically strong country... which socialists then fuck up.
Except for Johnny Major and his 15% interest rates...and a recession.Oh and Maggie with her 3 million unemployed...and two recessions, maybe you were thinking of Ted Heath and his 3 day week...and a recession?
Funny how the Tories forget that
Conservatives don't have a clue about infrastructure for long term investment or industrial strategy either. Love selling off UK assets to foreign owners for short term gain. Now going back to a failed 50's educational policy when other countries recognise all children contribute to future economic success.
Gordon Brown and the UK (our) gold, ring any bells?
Which was sold to pay down debt. Make you mind up what economic target is a priority
Ok, remind us of the price of gold when he sold it?
Did he compound his error by advertising the fact that he was going to sell the gold?"
Ok for the sake of argument the gold wasn't sold. Would you sell it now to pay down debt or make infrastructure investment ? If not it sits there bugger all use |
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