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How does Scotland benefit the UK?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Theres a song by the waterboys about the shape of the UK .That goes "Scotland is my weary head and ireland is my heart. Cornwall is my crooked leg and London is my arse."  |
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"The English are potentially very aggressive, very violent. We have used this propensity to violence to subjugate Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Then we used it in Europe and with our empire, so I think what you have within the UK is three small nations...who've been over the centuries under the cosh of the English. Those small nations inevitably sought expression by a very explicit idea of nationhood. You have this very dominant other nation, England, 10 times bigger than the others, which is self-confident and therefore has not needed to be so explicit about its expression. I think as we move into this new century, people's sense of Englishness will become more articulated and that's partly because of the mirror that devolution provides us with and because we're becoming more European at the same time."
- Jack Straw
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They have Nessie, whiskey, oats and lots of trout and salmon - that's pretty important to me :P
No Glenmorangie for you....whisky only has an e if it's Irish or American"
Sorry, I am dyslexic  please don't take the good stuff away :P |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
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"Discuss,"
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Discuss,
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
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Aren't two of those Scottish?  |
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Half the land mass, and well over half the UK's territorial waters are actually Scottish. It includes our most productive waters both in oil and fish. Also Scotland gives secure access to the Atlantic. |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
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"Discuss,
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
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Aren't two of those Scottish? "
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Yes, well done, 2 of them are Scottish... Scottish MPs, Westminster UK politicians in the UK Parliament... and staunch Unionists.
They, and lots of other Westminster politicians felt the need to plead.. beg.. persuade... threaten... scare Scots voters to remain part of the UK.
Remembers David Camerons speech on TV..?
'Please don't leave.... Please vote to remain part of the UK family...' etc, etc, blah blah...
Why would he, the Prime Minister, and others, beg Scotland not to leave, if Scotland was of no benefit to the UK...?
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Begging? He agreed to a referendum he asked us to stay, as is his right as PM of this country. We voted to remain because the case for independence was weak, ill prepared and based on wishful thinking and best case scenarios. We quite rightly, as events have proved, didnt vote for a pig in a poke because thats exactly what it was. And the case has got worse since. |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
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"Begging? He agreed to a referendum he asked us to stay, as is his right as PM of this country. We voted to remain because the case for independence was weak, ill prepared and based on wishful thinking and best case scenarios. We quite rightly, as events have proved, didnt vote for a pig in a poke because thats exactly what it was. And the case has got worse since."
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Yes... BEGGING. Begging Scots voters to vote No to independence.
Or did you miss that bit??
In an effort to answer the original question... Scotland MUST be a benefit to the uk otherwise David Cameron and all the other London-Westminster politicians wouldn't have made so much effort 'persuading' Scotland to vote No.
Whether or not we made the right or wrong decision is an entirely separate question.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Land, water, oil, prestige and most importantly Scotlands people are all an asset to the UK. "
I agree with most, but not the oil. North Sea oil was actually a drain on the exchequer last year due to their tax breaks. |
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It isn't about the money, it is about the benefit to society as a whole. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England have all contributed to our society. Some of our most impressive politicians have come from Wales and Scotland and some of our best policies have arrived as a result. One of the downsides of devolved parliaments is that Westminster is poorer as a result. We are not fans as they appear to work like inadequate county councils, rather than genuinely look at the good of the nation.  |
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I cant remember Cameron begging, I must have missed that bit. Poor attempt at answering the question, just a vacuous assertion based on what exactly? We all benefit from being in this Union, and we all contribute in our own way. Some more than others, but thats no reason to knock it, in fact its a reason to back it. Its the people of the UK that us the important factor to me, not where they stand depending on lines drawn on a bloody map. |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
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"I cant remember Cameron begging, I must have missed that bit. Poor attempt at answering the question, just a vacuous assertion based on what exactly? We all benefit from being in this Union, and we all contribute in our own way. Some more than others, but thats no reason to knock it, in fact its a reason to back it. Its the people of the UK that us the important factor to me, not where they stand depending on lines drawn on a bloody map."
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Can't remember..? or conveniently forgotten....?
"We all benefit from being in this union...." now there's a really vaccuous assertion..... and based on what exactly..?
The question was about how Scotland benefits the UK..... (not about which parts benefit from being part of the UK).
I believe that Scotland is a major benefit to the UK, otherwise those Westminster-Unionist MPs wouldn't have put all that effort into 'persuading' voters to vote No to independence, that's all.
So... How does Scotland benefit the UK?
What's your answer to the question? since mine was so poor..!
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Considering the rest of the UK has to annually subsidise Scotland to the tune of £15bn and has an extra £1500 per head of population allocated to it I can't see where Scotland benefits anybody.
That's why they voted to remain in the UK and not because our spineless MPs made them a "vow" of more devolved powers.
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we used to have many smaller states in the UK than just Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland - where does it stop? Surely lowland Scotland and Northumbria should be hived off to form a new Northumberland, Cornwall separates, Shetland, Orkney, The western Isles, Mercia..., maybe we should have City states as well, perhaps Lindon first - clearly when you liok at this way you can see the absurdity of devolution...  |
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"Discuss,
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
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Aren't two of those Scottish?
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Yes, well done, 2 of them are Scottish... Scottish MPs, Westminster UK politicians in the UK Parliament... and staunch Unionists.
They, and lots of other Westminster politicians felt the need to plead.. beg.. persuade... threaten... scare Scots voters to remain part of the UK.
Remembers David Camerons speech on TV..?
'Please don't leave.... Please vote to remain part of the UK family...' etc, etc, blah blah...
Why would he, the Prime Minister, and others, beg Scotland not to leave, if Scotland was of no benefit to the UK...?
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Who sung that song
Don't go
Don't go away
Please don't go,
It could have been written fir the Scots scared that the English might dump them |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Discuss,
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
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Aren't two of those Scottish?
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Yes, well done, 2 of them are Scottish... Scottish MPs, Westminster UK politicians in the UK Parliament... and staunch Unionists.
They, and lots of other Westminster politicians felt the need to plead.. beg.. persuade... threaten... scare Scots voters to remain part of the UK.
Remembers David Camerons speech on TV..?
'Please don't leave.... Please vote to remain part of the UK family...' etc, etc, blah blah...
Why would he, the Prime Minister, and others, beg Scotland not to leave, if Scotland was of no benefit to the UK...?
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Who sung that song
Don't go
Don't go away
Please don't go,
It could have been written fir the Scots scared that the English might dump them"
KC and the Sunshine Band 1979  |
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"Discuss,
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
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Aren't two of those Scottish?
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Yes, well done, 2 of them are Scottish... Scottish MPs, Westminster UK politicians in the UK Parliament... and staunch Unionists.
They, and lots of other Westminster politicians felt the need to plead.. beg.. persuade... threaten... scare Scots voters to remain part of the UK.
Remembers David Camerons speech on TV..?
'Please don't leave.... Please vote to remain part of the UK family...' etc, etc, blah blah...
Why would he, the Prime Minister, and others, beg Scotland not to leave, if Scotland was of no benefit to the UK...?
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Who sung that song
Don't go
Don't go away
Please don't go,
It could have been written fir the Scots scared that the English might dump them
KC and the Sunshine Band 1979 "
Class ....
Don't go away ...  |
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"Discuss,
IF Scotland DIDN'T benefit the uk..... why... why.. did all these 'heavyweight' Westminster politicians (David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Alasdair Darling, etc, etc,) all stream into Scotland during the independence referendum campaign... pleading.. scaremongering.... begging Scots not to leave the uk...
Why would they spend all that time, money, effort and energy pleading and begging Scots not to leave if Scotland WASN'T a benefit to the uk...??
__________________________________________________
Aren't two of those Scottish?
_______________
Yes, well done, 2 of them are Scottish... Scottish MPs, Westminster UK politicians in the UK Parliament... and staunch Unionists.
They, and lots of other Westminster politicians felt the need to plead.. beg.. persuade... threaten... scare Scots voters to remain part of the UK.
Remembers David Camerons speech on TV..?
'Please don't leave.... Please vote to remain part of the UK family...' etc, etc, blah blah...
Why would he, the Prime Minister, and others, beg Scotland not to leave, if Scotland was of no benefit to the UK...?
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Who sung that song
Don't go
Don't go away
Please don't go,
It could have been written fir the Scots scared that the English might dump them
KC and the Sunshine Band 1979 "
How about lady soul the temptations
Would that work for Nichola
she is more like Rambling Rose
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Cannon fodder in times of war,and sectarianism helps keep the north of Ireland in the U.K there is lots of reasons why else are the Tories desperate to keep the union? |
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