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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
An article from the Telegraph today is titled "Theresa May 'would go to war' to defend the sovereignty of Gibraltar"
The defence community warned of problems were we to leave the EU, and now British ministers and former ministers are sabre rattling and discussing war with an EU member state.
Many on this forum has said that NATO has kept the peace between member states, so on which side would NATO troops deploy if Britain really did go to war with Spain? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
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Well it was being compared to the war with Argentina over the Falklands which I'm sure was a lot more serious than your parking dispute. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
Well it was being compared to the war with Argentina over the Falklands which I'm sure was a lot more serious than your parking dispute."
Spain haven't invaded Gibraltar and these are only draft guidelines that still need ratifying at the Council meeting on April 29th.
Do you actually believe that Mrs May actually said that "I will go to war over Gibralter"? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
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of course they could or would !
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
of course they could or would !
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Then one or both of them would have to leave Nato |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
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I believe both Greece & Turkey are NATO members and have been at war within the last 50yrs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
I believe both Greece & Turkey are NATO members and have been at war within the last 50yrs"
I should expand on the usage of the word War.
There was conflict between the two when Turkey invaded and split Cyprus. Whilst it was not all out war, exchanges happened in the Aegean Sea. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
I believe both Greece & Turkey are NATO members and have been at war within the last 50yrs"
Did they ever "declare a state of war" between themselves?  |
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"An article from the Telegraph today is titled "Theresa May 'would go to war' to defend the sovereignty of Gibraltar"
The defence community warned of problems were we to leave the EU, and now British ministers and former ministers are sabre rattling and discussing war with an EU member state.
Many on this forum has said that NATO has kept the peace between member states, so on which side would NATO troops deploy if Britain really did go to war with Spain?"
Do you believe what's written on that tabloid?... |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt"
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
I believe both Greece & Turkey are NATO members and have been at war within the last 50yrs
Did they ever "declare a state of war" between themselves? "
I have s feeling they did ! But I'm not certain |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different."
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt"
How was it? And when you say many, how many? |
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
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This..
And stupid tory politicians who really should know better..
Like kids in a playground spat.. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?"
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt"
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con. "
Well it was a referendum which asked such a vague question as to be useless in actually gauging public opinion and then that vague opinion was taken as a mandate for the government to try and then do what they wanted. Meanwhile half the country bleat on about 'the will of the people' whipped up by the tabloid press. With no idea of wtf the 'will of the people' actually is.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con.
Well it was a referendum which asked such a vague question as to be useless in actually gauging public opinion and then that vague opinion was taken as a mandate for the government to try and then do what they wanted. Meanwhile half the country bleat on about 'the will of the people' whipped up by the tabloid press. With no idea of wtf the 'will of the people' actually is.
-Matt"
Vague? It couldn't have been any clearer. Leave or Remain in the European Union.
If you didn't understand the question why did you vote? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con.
Well it was a referendum which asked such a vague question as to be useless in actually gauging public opinion and then that vague opinion was taken as a mandate for the government to try and then do what they wanted. Meanwhile half the country bleat on about 'the will of the people' whipped up by the tabloid press. With no idea of wtf the 'will of the people' actually is.
-Matt
Vague? It couldn't have been any clearer. Leave or Remain in the European Union.
If you didn't understand the question why did you vote?"
Totally clear. Said so on the side of a bus. Why would you not vote for the side of a bus?
The Sex Pistols couldn't have made a better swindle.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con.
Well it was a referendum which asked such a vague question as to be useless in actually gauging public opinion and then that vague opinion was taken as a mandate for the government to try and then do what they wanted. Meanwhile half the country bleat on about 'the will of the people' whipped up by the tabloid press. With no idea of wtf the 'will of the people' actually is.
-Matt
Vague? It couldn't have been any clearer. Leave or Remain in the European Union.
If you didn't understand the question why did you vote?
Totally clear. Said so on the side of a bus. Why would you not vote for the side of a bus?
The Sex Pistols couldn't have made a better swindle.
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So which way did you vote? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ? |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ? "
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish "
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con.
Well it was a referendum which asked such a vague question as to be useless in actually gauging public opinion and then that vague opinion was taken as a mandate for the government to try and then do what they wanted. Meanwhile half the country bleat on about 'the will of the people' whipped up by the tabloid press. With no idea of wtf the 'will of the people' actually is.
-Matt
Vague? It couldn't have been any clearer. Leave or Remain in the European Union.
If you didn't understand the question why did you vote?
Totally clear. Said so on the side of a bus. Why would you not vote for the side of a bus?
The Sex Pistols couldn't have made a better swindle.
So which way did you vote?"
To stay. To be fair both sides were full of shit. There wasn't a single, cohesive, well thought out arguement on either side - nor any kind of plan. Still isn't. Still firmly believe Brexit won't fully happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now "
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now "
Without a shadow of a doubt and most probably with the backing of Eu ...regardless of whether we're in eu or not ..the rock voted by landslide to remain within british territories and that democratic vote cannot be ignored by eu ..its what the Eu stands for |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Spain aren't foolish enough to mess with a nuclear power whos also there biggest tourist market for a piece of rock 3 miles long especially when there not exactly desperate for land, i mean half of Spain is completely baron.
There just making hay while they have opportunity but nothing will come of it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week "
lol  I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest 
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!! |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"Spain aren't foolish enough to mess with a nuclear power whos also there biggest tourist market for a piece of rock 3 miles long especially when there not exactly desperate for land, i mean half of Spain is completely baron.
There just making hay while they have opportunity but nothing will come of it"
i have to agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!! "
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
That's one take on it, and their vote to Remain, was probably taken to counter any Spanish aggression.
Asking them the question " Do you want to remain tied to the UK, or be given to Spain?", then the answer may well be different.
Bingo!
If only more leavers would understand why many feel the referendum was a con as well as you.
-Matt
How was it? And when you say many, how many?
No idea. Pretty much everyone I know who voted at least. Beyond that I don't have the magic crystal ball that some appear to have.
-Matt
Pretty much everyone you know who voted? Strange, that's the first time I've ever heard it described as a con.
Well it was a referendum which asked such a vague question as to be useless in actually gauging public opinion and then that vague opinion was taken as a mandate for the government to try and then do what they wanted. Meanwhile half the country bleat on about 'the will of the people' whipped up by the tabloid press. With no idea of wtf the 'will of the people' actually is.
-Matt
Vague? It couldn't have been any clearer. Leave or Remain in the European Union.
If you didn't understand the question why did you vote?"
I guess you've not actually been following this thread then and seen the irony of the comments above about how the Gibraltar vote was not specific enough?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer"
? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt"
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It belongs to spain  "
The voice of reason. It doesn't belong to the uk. Just as hong kong was given back so should Gibraltar.We should have a friendly hand over and make a better relationship. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967."
Just please don't tell me you are insinuating that those two facts combined mean that there is a 3% higher support for the Uk and so their desire to be part of the EU should be disregarded.
-Matt |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967.
Just please don't tell me you are insinuating that those two facts combined mean that there is a 3% higher support for the Uk and so their desire to be part of the EU should be disregarded.
-Matt"
The fairly obvious answer is that they wish to remain both part of the UK and part of the EU. |
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It's actually more complex than most above acknowledge...
"Spain is also aware that the question of Gibraltar is inherently related to the question of Ceuta and Melilla, and that any potential return of Gibraltar to Spain would mean opening a dialogue with Morocco over the future of these two enclaves."
So Spain has similar issues with Morocco and Gibralter is mainly just posturing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ? "
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It belongs to spain The voice of reason. It doesn't belong to the uk. Just as hong kong was given back so should Gibraltar.We should have a friendly hand over and make a better relationship. "
Yes, it would be too and they would be in the single market too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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there's a certain song from the 80's where one of the lines that repeats says "... and when the system starts to crack, we have to be ready to give it all back ... "
well .. the system has started to crack |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967.
Just please don't tell me you are insinuating that those two facts combined mean that there is a 3% higher support for the Uk and so their desire to be part of the EU should be disregarded.
-Matt
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Not suggesting anything, simply stating the facts.
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The fairly obvious answer is that they wish to remain both part of the UK and part of the EU. "
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"It belongs to spain "
No it doesnt, it was ceded under the treaty of utrecht in 1713, so lawfully it could only be by the UK's agreement be returned to Spain and the residents have voted several times to remain british |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967.
Just please don't tell me you are insinuating that those two facts combined mean that there is a 3% higher support for the Uk and so their desire to be part of the EU should be disregarded.
-Matt
Not suggesting anything, simply stating the facts.
The fairly obvious answer is that they wish to remain both part of the UK and part of the EU.
Precisely!"
Ok, good. Just checking!
-Matt |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented"
Not exactly true is it? The US gave us vital intelligence but was officially neutral during the campaign.
This was to protect American interests in South America at the time.
There were more informal discussions that the US "might" lend us a carrier/amphibious assault ship but only if one of ours was destroyed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented"
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war". |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967.
Just please don't tell me you are insinuating that those two facts combined mean that there is a 3% higher support for the Uk and so their desire to be part of the EU should be disregarded.
-Matt"
So given the choice between
The UK and and Spain
Knowing that EU membership would be guaranteed,
With a Spanish win,
How do you think Gibraltar would vote?
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"We should give Gibraltar to Spain Britain no longer rules the waves.The days of empire are long gone.
And what do the people of Gibralter prefer?
To remain a part of the EU.
-Matt
In the EU referendum last June, 96% of those Gibraltians who voted, voted to remain in the EU
In the Sovereignty referendum of 7th November 2002, 99% of those who voted, voted to remain a UK territory - just as they did in a similar Sovereignty referendum in 1967.
Just please don't tell me you are insinuating that those two facts combined mean that there is a 3% higher support for the Uk and so their desire to be part of the EU should be disregarded.
-Matt
So given the choice between
The UK and and Spain
Knowing that EU membership would be guaranteed,
With a Spanish win,
How do you think Gibraltar would vote?
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To stay British of course |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Not exactly true is it? The US gave us vital intelligence but was officially neutral during the campaign.
This was to protect American interests in South America at the time.
There were more informal discussions that the US "might" lend us a carrier/amphibious assault ship but only if one of ours was destroyed."
that is more how I remember it !
But I'm sure New Zealand offered us two Destroyers straight away no questions Asked  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Not exactly true is it? The US gave us vital intelligence but was officially neutral during the campaign.
This was to protect American interests in South America at the time.
There were more informal discussions that the US "might" lend us a carrier/amphibious assault ship but only if one of ours was destroyed."
what utter bollocks ... read the files dude instead of making shit up
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Not exactly true is it? The US gave us vital intelligence but was officially neutral during the campaign.
This was to protect American interests in South America at the time.
There were more informal discussions that the US "might" lend us a carrier/amphibious assault ship but only if one of ours was destroyed.
what utter bollocks ... read the files dude instead of making shit up
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"I was "at war" years ago with a neighbour, concerning parking rights.
Hysterical headlines are there to sell newspapers. Two NATO countries would never end up fighting each other
I believe both Greece & Turkey are NATO members and have been at war within the last 50yrs
I should expand on the usage of the word War.
There was conflict between the two when Turkey invaded and split Cyprus. Whilst it was not all out war, exchanges happened in the Aegean Sea."
An invasion supported by the CIA so that the yanks could obtain a listening post in the southern med
It's strange how the Turks didn't challange UK sovereign land, during the invasion |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war"."
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Not exactly true is it? The US gave us vital intelligence but was officially neutral during the campaign.
This was to protect American interests in South America at the time.
There were more informal discussions that the US "might" lend us a carrier/amphibious assault ship but only if one of ours was destroyed."
They also supplied us with the stinger air-air missile, which was the newest and most advanced at that time |
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"Spain aren't foolish enough to mess with a nuclear power whos also there biggest tourist market for a piece of rock 3 miles long especially when there not exactly desperate for land, i mean half of Spain is completely baron.
There just making hay while they have opportunity but nothing will come of it"
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Not exactly true is it? The US gave us vital intelligence but was officially neutral during the campaign.
This was to protect American interests in South America at the time.
There were more informal discussions that the US "might" lend us a carrier/amphibious assault ship but only if one of ours was destroyed.
They also supplied us with the stinger air-air missile, which was the newest and most advanced at that time"
Yes but were they acquired under normal procurement?
We were supplied with six, and used one. Unfortunately the one member of the Special Forces trained to use the system was killed in a helicopter crash. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected"
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected"
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist "
i admire your approach, but i don't think many people would change there allegiance based on how much they get in civil defence costs on a per head basis
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? "
sounds like a dam good idea. or do we already have peeps doing this very same work in GCHQ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist "
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I think Argentina offered 1 million pounds each to every person on the Falklands awhile back and they turned it down.
Quite refreshing in this day and age |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist .
I think Argentina offered 1 million pounds each to every person on the Falklands awhile back and they turned it down.
Quite refreshing in this day and age"
I think that's what your press made you believe, and you obviously believed it. Stop being fascist btw. |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist .
I think Argentina offered 1 million pounds each to every person on the Falklands awhile back and they turned it down.
Quite refreshing in this day and age
I think that's what your press made you believe, and you obviously believed it. Stop being fascist btw. "
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? "
The only times i ever heard the term "un" anything is dictatorships or from the mouth of trump or Putin .Fuck these people who define what being british is. |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist .
I think Argentina offered 1 million pounds each to every person on the Falklands awhile back and they turned it down.
Quite refreshing in this day and age
I think that's what your press made you believe, and you obviously believed it. Stop being fascist btw. .
Only one side wants self determination and thats the UK, if thats fascism then sign me up as Im a fascist "
You signed up long ago already. Next please... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've been to Gibraltar 4 times if Lloyd these people actually knew ..you don't see many britis there it's mostly very rich Russians with super yachts and super cars |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks "
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So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?"
They are are principalities and soverign.Unlike Gibraltar which is a british overseas territory.Nobody has a claim to them unlike Gibraltar. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?"
Be fair, the guys running the EU have to have somewhere to keep their money |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?"
Let me give you a better example.... the uk doesn't really like having a tax haven on its doorstep either.. that being jersey... so that why it came to a memorandum of understanding that only those who are permanent resident in jersey would get tax exemptions |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?They are are principalities and soverign.Unlike Gibraltar which is a british overseas territory.Nobody has a claim to them unlike Gibraltar. "
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What about Guiana then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?They are are principalities and soverign.Unlike Gibraltar which is a british overseas territory.Nobody has a claim to them unlike Gibraltar. .
What about Guiana then? "
British french or dutch guiana.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?They are are principalities and soverign.Unlike Gibraltar which is a british overseas territory.Nobody has a claim to them unlike Gibraltar. .
What about Guiana then? British french or dutch guiana.. "
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I dunno which ones a member of the EU and uses the euro |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?
Let me give you a better example.... the uk doesn't really like having a tax haven on its doorstep either.. that being jersey... so that why it came to a memorandum of understanding that only those who are permanent resident in jersey would get tax exemptions "
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Wait you mean the UK has tax heavens on its doorstep like Jersey and the isle of man, Spain has tax heavens like Andorra and Gibraltar, France has Monaco then there's Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, San Marino, Vatican city... But somehow were to be only outraged at Gibraltar?
Come off it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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From what i can see Bob the British gave independence to Guyana in 1966 the Dutch to Suriname in 1975 but the French held on to theres as an overseas territory which the EU incudes as a member state and allows them to use the Euro.
Now last time i looked.. There in south America, thats a fair way away from France and the EU |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The scary thing about all of this is that before the referendum Cameron was mocked by Johnson by saying "do you really think the UK leaving the EU will start a war in Europe"? Here we are a couple of days after A50 and we are talking of war!!! A crazy world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?
Let me give you a better example.... the uk doesn't really like having a tax haven on its doorstep either.. that being jersey... so that why it came to a memorandum of understanding that only those who are permanent resident in jersey would get tax exemptions .
Wait you mean the UK has tax heavens on its doorstep like Jersey and the isle of man, Spain has tax heavens like Andorra and Gibraltar, France has Monaco then there's Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, San Marino, Vatican city... But somehow were to be only outraged at Gibraltar?
Come off it"
The daddy of all tax havens is the British virgin islands.Now there is something to be outraged by. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The scary thing about all of this is that before the referendum Cameron was mocked by Johnson by saying "do you really think the UK leaving the EU will start a war in Europe"? Here we are a couple of days after A50 and we are talking of war!!! A crazy world. "
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I voted to remain in the EU, Im not one of them that suddenly has given the EU a sainthood,i voted to remain despite its obvious faults because its better tougher than apart.
But lets not jump on a bandwagon of Doom constantly, theres no war, nobody wants a war, its just two governments making political point scoring for its own agenda.
Trust me if you ask for conscripts on either side you'd be lucky to muster a dozen egg heads |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It belongs to spain The voice of reason. It doesn't belong to the uk. Just as hong kong was given back so should Gibraltar.We should have a friendly hand over and make a better relationship. "
Hong kong was returned as it was on a lease.I wish people would look at the history of these teritories |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? The only times i ever heard the term "un" anything is dictatorships or from the mouth of trump or Putin .Fuck these people who define what being british is."
I think it was a mickey take |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Give the rock to the Spanish Falklands to the argies who gives a fuck to be honest there not on our door step and they will save us problems in years to come "
Don't the Norwegians, Danish and Swedes have a fair claim on Teesside too then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? The only times i ever heard the term "un" anything is dictatorships or from the mouth of trump or Putin .Fuck these people who define what being british is. I think it was a mickey take "
I know .I was referring more to the comment above about being loyally british.Fuck those people |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
Are you really sure about that? I mean really sure?"
Yes as they voted to remain you know. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
Are you really sure about that? I mean really sure?Yes as they voted to remain you know."
But as explained earlier, thats an entirely different question. |
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over a year ago
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
Are you really sure about that? I mean really sure?Yes as they voted to remain you know.
But as explained earlier, thats an entirely different question."
Yes and we will see what will happen. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
Are you really sure about that? I mean really sure?Yes as they voted to remain you know.
But as explained earlier, thats an entirely different question.Yes and we will see what will happen."
If that question ever does get asked, I will bet you £100 to a charity of your choosing, that Gibraltar will vote to stop with the UK. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain."
they had one and 99% wanted to stay british and according to an opinion poll taken recently that hasnt changed much |
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over a year ago
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
Are you really sure about that? I mean really sure?Yes as they voted to remain you know.
But as explained earlier, thats an entirely different question.Yes and we will see what will happen.
If that question ever does get asked, I will bet you £100 to a charity of your choosing, that Gibraltar will vote to stop with the UK."
That is good and yes, they might have one soon, lets see if they will have one. |
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
they had one and 99% wanted to stay british and according to an opinion poll taken recently that hasnt changed much"
That is right, the polls could change as the time gets closer. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU? 
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen"
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc. |
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc. "
The spanish healthcare system is ranked among the best in the world. |
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over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc. "
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?"
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK. |
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over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK. "
So? And I meant I paid NI in Spain for years so how do you know what benefits I will be entitled to? And how do you know whether or not there will be a reciprocal health deal? |
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
Lol
Oh you are funny.
-Matt"
And why is that? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK.
So? And I meant I paid NI in Spain for years so how do you know what benefits I will be entitled to? And how do you know whether or not there will be a reciprocal health deal?"
Your NI contributions in Spain make no difference to what you are entitled to in the UK once you are no longer a UK resident.
I wasn't expecting this to be news to you, I thought you would have already be aware of what UK residents and non-UK residents are entitled to in the UK. |
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK.
So? And I meant I paid NI in Spain for years so how do you know what benefits I will be entitled to? And how do you know whether or not there will be a reciprocal health deal?
Your NI contributions in Spain make no difference to what you are entitled to in the UK once you are no longer a UK resident.
I wasn't expecting this to be news to you, I thought you would have already be aware of what UK residents and non-UK residents are entitled to in the UK."
Ffs, I said 'SO'? Iknow that. SO? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK.
So? And I meant I paid NI in Spain for years so how do you know what benefits I will be entitled to? And how do you know whether or not there will be a reciprocal health deal?
Your NI contributions in Spain make no difference to what you are entitled to in the UK once you are no longer a UK resident.
I wasn't expecting this to be news to you, I thought you would have already be aware of what UK residents and non-UK residents are entitled to in the UK.
Ffs, I said 'SO'? Iknow that. SO?"
SO... if your not entitled to it, you won’t get it. |
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"Just a thought ? But let's say Spain did invade Gibraltar ? I doubt they would !
But if they did ?
What do you think we would actually do about it ?
I'm honestly not sure ?
It would be our duty to respond as we did in the falklands as the people want to remain part of uk territory and not spanish
Yes but would we ? And would we succeed ?
Our armed forces are far smaller and weaker now
We'd just stop flights to Alicante and Malaga and the Spanish would withdraw in a week lol I rather suspect thier would be some truth in your jest
If the Falklands had been invaded s few years later we would have been Stumped !
Also where were the Yanks ? Hmmmm Dpecial relationship ?
Ye when it suits them !
We would be on our own , yet I bet Spain would have Allies !!!
ronnie raygun offered logistics, carriers, air cover, and the US navy ..... maggie twatcher refused the offer ? First I've ever heard of that ? The Yanks seemed very reluctant to support us from what I remember ?
nope .... twatcher was being a twat and refused ... it's all documented
Has anybody any idea what the Falklands Island cost the UK taxpayer to defend a year? Well it's a staggering £65,000,000 & rising annually. That equates to about £42,000 per person on the Falklands. Crazy but hey we can afford it! It's cost us something in the region of £2,200,000,000 to protect them & that doesn't include the cost of the "war".
They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
If you get 42000£ as an individual, it may be logical to be loyal to anything. If Argentina would offer them 42500£ per head, they would probably give it a second thoughts; if the offer was 82000£ they would likely fight to become Argentinians. Thruth is: In any of the three scenarios, you will always sound fascist .
I think Argentina offered 1 million pounds each to every person on the Falklands awhile back and they turned it down.
Quite refreshing in this day and age
I think that's what your press made you believe, and you obviously believed it. Stop being fascist btw. .
Only one side wants self determination and thats the UK, if thats fascism then sign me up as Im a fascist "
I'm a fully paid up member |
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"Can't believe slimy Michael Howard caused an issue over nothing....
The eu basically said their position is that Gibraltar isn't part of the uk then it may not be covered under any uk-eu trade deal... same would apply to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
And then Howard spouts off about war...
Actually Spains position on Gibraltar is they don't like having a tax haven on their doorstep that diverts money... so they could be asked to give that up in any trade talks .
So how does Spain or France sit with Andorra or Monaco.
Andorra isnt in the EU but is given special exemption to use the euro and the customs union single market.
Monaco is a complete tax haven along with Lichtenstein and alike but both have EU status with customs union and euro?
Be fair, the guys running the EU have to have somewhere to keep their money"
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
Are you really sure about that? I mean really sure?Yes as they voted to remain you know.
But as explained earlier, thats an entirely different question.Yes and we will see what will happen.
If that question ever does get asked, I will bet you £100 to a charity of your choosing, that Gibraltar will vote to stop with the UK."
I will also stand in another £100 to a charity of his choosing
If you loose I will looks for digs charity which helps ex forces to personal to over come stress |
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over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK. "
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How long do you have to spend in the UK to be classed as a UK resident?
That's an interesting question |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Why would anyone want to leave the UK to be a part of the EU?
I thought you were planning on moving to Spain?
I am. But will still be a UK citizen
But you won't be a UK resident if you move to Spain, so no benefits, no NHS treatment etc.
Why? How much NI have I paid in Spain?
That doesn't matter, once you're no longer a UK resident, you will no longer be entitled to a whole host of things in the UK. .
How long do you have to spend in the UK to be classed as a UK resident?
That's an interesting question"
There are different time scales and qualifying criteria for different things which is of course normal for our bureaucracy. For tax purposes I believe its 183 days a year, for things like homelessness applications it not only about being a UK resident, but also about having a local connection to the area. 6 out of the last 12 months or 3 years out of the last 5. To claim a lot of means tested benefits you have to pass a Habitual Residency Test. For job seekers allowance you have to be in the UK for at least 3 months before you are eligible.
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? The only times i ever heard the term "un" anything is dictatorships or from the mouth of trump or Putin .Fuck these people who define what being british is. I think it was a mickey take I know .I was referring more to the comment above about being loyally british.Fuck those people "
I Prefer English as you know lol , but that does include any one who wants to live here and be happy and help other people be happy of all Coulers shapes and sizes |
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over a year ago
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They are Loyally British unlike many who live on the mainland UK, as such they should be protected
Maybe we should create an Un-British Activities Commitee to seek out this enemy within? The only times i ever heard the term "un" anything is dictatorships or from the mouth of trump or Putin .Fuck these people who define what being british is. I think it was a mickey take I know .I was referring more to the comment above about being loyally british.Fuck those people I Prefer English as you know lol , but that does include any one who wants to live here and be happy and help other people be happy of all Coulers shapes and sizes "
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NATO is nothing to do with Europe is it? America and both Turkey and Greece are members. Anyway we have tracked further to kick spics of tiny islands of little or no financial value before. And the Spanish army suck. Google the Spanish foreign legion. |
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"If we do go to war with Spain, we should attack between 2 and 4 in the afternoon."
There's a nice quiet beach a few miles down the road from Fuengirola that would be perfect for an amphibious landing, pleanty of sun loungers and a nice little cafe for afternoon tea before they crack on to Gib |
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
they had one and 99% wanted to stay british and according to an opinion poll taken recently that hasnt changed muchThat is right, the polls could change as the time gets closer."
They also want free movement |
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"NATO is nothing to do with Europe is it? America and both Turkey and Greece are members. Anyway we have tracked further to kick spics of tiny islands of little or no financial value before. And the Spanish army suck. Google the Spanish foreign legion. "
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By *ercuryMan
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
they had one and 99% wanted to stay british and according to an opinion poll taken recently that hasnt changed muchThat is right, the polls could change as the time gets closer.They also want free movement"
Think the Spanish might want that more, as 10000 Spaniards cross the border every day to work in Gibraltar. |
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"They should have a referendum if they want to be with the uk and I know what the result would be and that is to be with spain.
they had one and 99% wanted to stay british and according to an opinion poll taken recently that hasnt changed muchThat is right, the polls could change as the time gets closer.They also want free movement
Think the Spanish might want that more, as 10000 Spaniards cross the border every day to work in Gibraltar."
They talked about it on question time yesterday, yeah we will see what will happen. |
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