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"69 / 59 another fantastic day"  Congrats. | |||
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"Give us all a vote......I'd vote twice if I could" Give people outside of Scotland a vote on Scottish independence ? I wonder how people would feel then if there ever was an English independence referendum and if they would be more than happy with the Scottish people voting on an English referendum. I think people living in England would be going mad allowing another countries people to have a say in their referendum thats how it will never happen. | |||
"Give us all a vote......I'd vote twice if I could Give people outside of Scotland a vote on Scottish independence ? I wonder how people would feel then if there ever was an English independence referendum and if they would be more than happy with the Scottish people voting on an English referendum. I think people living in England would be going mad allowing another countries people to have a say in their referendum thats how it will never happen. " Yeah that's like giving the EU citzens a vote on brexit..because they are in a union  | |||
"Give us all a vote......I'd vote twice if I could Give people outside of Scotland a vote on Scottish independence ? I wonder how people would feel then if there ever was an English independence referendum and if they would be more than happy with the Scottish people voting on an English referendum. I think people living in England would be going mad allowing another countries people to have a say in their referendum thats how it will never happen. " I'd love it | |||
"Give us all a vote......I'd vote twice if I could Give people outside of Scotland a vote on Scottish independence ? I wonder how people would feel then if there ever was an English independence referendum and if they would be more than happy with the Scottish people voting on an English referendum. I think people living in England would be going mad allowing another countries people to have a say in their referendum thats how it will never happen. I'd love it "A good day for Mr suit.  O i know you'd love to have a vote. | |||
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"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion." Now that is commendable.Ive always voted green . | |||
"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan "What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one... | |||
"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan
What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one..."Sounds like a better plan.. | |||
"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion.Now that is commendable.Ive always voted green . "Not sure how much you see of the Scottish Greens but they've been pretty impressive lately. Hopefully in independence we'll see them being part of a government before long | |||
"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion.Now that is commendable.Ive always voted green .
Not sure how much you see of the Scottish Greens but they've been pretty impressive lately. Hopefully in independence we'll see them being part of a government before long"I think we will see a rise in green votes here and EU just look at what happened in holland and yes they are impressive and progressive. | |||
"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion.Now that is commendable.Ive always voted green .
Not sure how much you see of the Scottish Greens but they've been pretty impressive lately. Hopefully in independence we'll see them being part of a government before longI think we will see a rise in green votes here and EU just look at what happened in holland and yes they are impressive and progressive. " | |||
"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan
What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one...". Now ive asked this question a few times but nobody wants to answer it, which oil fields legally belong to Scotland?. When i looked this up the other day i couldn't find any, they all seemed to belong to private companies? The oil money we all talk about seemed to be a tax upon the oil as its brought ashore for processing. It would be interesting to know if anybody actually knows the real figures? | |||
"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion.Now that is commendable.Ive always voted green .
Not sure how much you see of the Scottish Greens but they've been pretty impressive lately. Hopefully in independence we'll see them being part of a government before longI think we will see a rise in green votes here and EU just look at what happened in holland and yes they are impressive and progressive. "I'm not sure I share your optimism for a Green surge in England but you'll have a better idea of the lay of the land than me. The measure of their success up here is they've been singled out a few times in the last few weeks for attacks by people who would have ignored them not so long ago | |||
"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion.Now that is commendable.Ive always voted green .
Not sure how much you see of the Scottish Greens but they've been pretty impressive lately. Hopefully in independence we'll see them being part of a government before long"Yes i have to admit myself the Greens are doing really well they seem to be the only ones in Scotland holding the SNP to account while Labour and the Tories will do anything to attack the SNP. Partick Harvie is a really good MSP and am really impressed with Ross Greer of the Scottish Greens | |||
"Give us all a vote......I'd vote twice if I could Give people outside of Scotland a vote on Scottish independence ? I wonder how people would feel then if there ever was an English independence referendum and if they would be more than happy with the Scottish people voting on an English referendum. I think people living in England would be going mad allowing another countries people to have a say in their referendum thats how it will never happen. I'd love it A good day for Mr suit. O i know you'd love to have a vote. "Yep and il back you on CornWall
Cum on Bob let's form the lefty / Righty Party !
We can be joint PM S | |||
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"Give us all a vote......I'd vote twice if I could Give people outside of Scotland a vote on Scottish independence ? I wonder how people would feel then if there ever was an English independence referendum and if they would be more than happy with the Scottish people voting on an English referendum. I think people living in England would be going mad allowing another countries people to have a say in their referendum thats how it will never happen. I'd love it A good day for Mr suit. O i know you'd love to have a vote. Yep and il back you on CornWall
Cum on Bob let's form the lefty / Righty Party !
We can be joint PM S "A coalition of yorkshire and Cornwall Im in . | |||
" The Tories seem to be doing everything they can to break up the UK The 1 tory MP in Scotland tries to stand in the way of the democratically elected Scottish Parliament's will As i said if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do they think does speak for Scotland ? As the people of Scotland elected the SNP and thats the will of the Scottish people. " Valid point. | |||
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" Yes i have to admit myself the Greens are doing really well they seem to be the only ones in Scotland holding the SNP to account while Labour and the Tories will do anything to attack the SNP. Partick Harvie is a really good MSP and am really impressed with Ross Greer of the Scottish Greens " Definitely, without the greens we'd have a situation as in Westminster with no true opposition that surpasses a mere entrenched political zeitgeist. I've known Ross Greer a while, not the most likeable guy if I'm honest but can't complain about the job he does | |||
"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan
What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one....
Now ive asked this question a few times but nobody wants to answer it, which oil fields legally belong to Scotland?.
When i looked this up the other day i couldn't find any, they all seemed to belong to private companies? The oil money we all talk about seemed to be a tax upon the oil as its brought ashore for processing.
It would be interesting to know if anybody actually knows the real figures?"I wish I could help with this, but surely millions go on a daily basis to Westminster (now) from royalties. | |||
" The Tories seem to be doing everything they can to break up the UK The 1 tory MP in Scotland tries to stand in the way of the democratically elected Scottish Parliament's will As i said if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do they think does speak for Scotland ? As the people of Scotland elected the SNP and thats the will of the Scottish people. " it's always puzzled me that the conservatives try to keep the UK ? When We get Our independence the Tories will probably rule forever ! | |||
" The Tories seem to be doing everything they can to break up the UK The 1 tory MP in Scotland tries to stand in the way of the democratically elected Scottish Parliament's will As i said if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do they think does speak for Scotland ? As the people of Scotland elected the SNP and thats the will of the Scottish people. it's always puzzled me that the conservatives try to keep the UK ? When We get Our independence the Tories will probably rule forever ! " They will rule for decades .They would of preferred scotland leaving on labours watch but its fitting that its under tory rule. | |||
" As the people of Scotland elected the SNP and thats the will of the Scottish people. it's always puzzled me that the conservatives try to keep the UK ? When We get Our independence the Tories will probably rule forever ! " The Scottish vote is almost always irrelevant in deciding the government. The reason they want to maintain the UK is on economic lines. BBC 4 show last week that showed analysis done by independent US economist that detailed Scotland's contributions to the UK had kept it afloat. Worth watching, I'll get the name if you like | |||
 . Now run that by me again, more fossil fuels not less just how does that meet the green agenda, more fantacists | |||
"Private companies own the rights to the oil in the north sea and were sold rights to other sources in and around the Shetlands. This was initially done by Thatcher upon discovery diametrically differed from what the Norwegians done. The EU in their "fair competition" agenda meant accession to the eu was unattractive to the Norwegians as they would have to allow private companies into their oil. For Scotland, there is a vast amount of untapped oil that we could utilise as the Norwegians done, check out hurricane energy's latest statement. Even on tax receipts the Norwegians do it better, check out the tax shell paid there compared to here. And finally....not all if us think taking more oil out the ground is a good thing. Hope that gives you a good starting point" . See thats pretty much how i was reading it earlier, so if Scotland want to be in the EU they cant have a state run oil company like Norway do where they actually get the profits from the oil not just a tax on each barrel brought ashore, also the trouble with that i can foresee is you cant really put the tax up either as the oil companies could just pump it to Norway instead. The figures i read varies wildly depending on oil prices from anything from 10 billon extra revenue to Scotland to only 1.6 billon extra revenue and also how it was divided upon leaving, there? seems to be good legal argument for both sides for a slightly better share either way, however the figures really didnt look even at best best as if Scotland would be anything like on a par with Norway (maybe in 40 years time after many decades of work like Norway has done) but thats a long time to be second guessing on it seems Norway have put all their profits in a trust fund for future revenue so even they dont think it will be around for the near future is 40-80 years | |||
"So the green party wants to be independent and its going to be ok financially because of tax reciepts from north sea oil . Now run that by me again, more fossil fuels not less just how does that meet the green agenda, more fantacists "If that's directed at me I suggest you re-read what i posted before making asinine comments about *fantacists*. | |||
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"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan
What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one....
Now ive asked this question a few times but nobody wants to answer it, which oil fields legally belong to Scotland?.
When i looked this up the other day i couldn't find any, they all seemed to belong to private companies? The oil money we all talk about seemed to be a tax upon the oil as its brought ashore for processing.
It would be interesting to know if anybody actually knows the real figures?
I wish I could help with this, but surely millions go on a daily basis to Westminster (now) from royalties.". It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not | |||
"Private companies own the rights to the oil in the north sea and were sold rights to other sources in and around the Shetlands. This was initially done by Thatcher upon discovery diametrically differed from what the Norwegians done. The EU in their "fair competition" agenda meant accession to the eu was unattractive to the Norwegians as they would have to allow private companies into their oil. For Scotland, there is a vast amount of untapped oil that we could utilise as the Norwegians done, check out hurricane energy's latest statement. Even on tax receipts the Norwegians do it better, check out the tax shell paid there compared to here. And finally....not all if us think taking more oil out the ground is a good thing. Hope that gives you a good starting point. See thats pretty much how i was reading it earlier, so if Scotland want to be in the EU they cant have a state run oil company like Norway do where they actually get the profits from the oil not just a tax on each barrel brought ashore, also the trouble with that i can foresee is you cant really put the tax up either as the oil companies could just pump it to Norway instead. The figures i read varies wildly depending on oil prices from anything from 10 billon extra revenue to Scotland to only 1.6 billon extra revenue and also how it was divided upon leaving, there? seems to be good legal argument for both sides for a slightly better share either way, however the figures really didnt look even at best best as if Scotland would be anything like on a par with Norway (maybe in 40 years time after many decades of work like Norway has done) but thats a long time to be second guessing on it seems Norway have put all their profits in a trust fund for future revenue so even they dont think it will be around for the near future is 40-80 years" Norway have private hands in their too and manage to tax them properly. It's just been done so haphazardly within the union. The money we have wasted from the oil could have made us world leaders in green energy technology and productivity if invested properly. The oil is in Scottish waters and I can't see rUK having any legal basis to demand a share but everything is up for negotiation I imagine. As I say, the oil is not the basis of many people's motivation for independence but for those interested, the capability to extract heavy oil is now available on many sites unfortunately. | |||
"Its a shame the Scottish governments own accounts say differently. Scotland does indeed pay into the UK but does get more in return. Even the Scottish Parliament Information Centre accepts that Scotland accounted for 9.1% of UK public spending yet only contributed 7.9% of UK revenue in 2015/16. " Ah the GERS argument again. Which party was it that set up the GERS ? Also the Scottish government have to go with those figures by law. Now the bigger picture is that GERS does not show how an independent Scotland would be run what the GERS show is under Westminster mis-mangagement Scotland is being screwed as we all know money is not devolved to Scotland that is reversed to Westminster and seen as the Tories who are the UK government right now are not meeting targets and adding the UK debt that tell's you everything you need to know Hell Labour bankrupted the UK and when the Tories came into power in 2010 they have managed to rack up more debt than any Labour government in history tell me again why the UK is so grat for Scotland when we reject the Tories ? | |||
"Its a shame the Scottish governments own accounts say differently. Scotland does indeed pay into the UK but does get more in return. Even the Scottish Parliament Information Centre accepts that Scotland accounted for 9.1% of UK public spending yet only contributed 7.9% of UK revenue in 2015/16. Ah the GERS argument again. Which party was it that set up the GERS ? Also the Scottish government have to go with those figures by law. Now the bigger picture is that GERS does not show how an independent Scotland would be run what the GERS show is under Westminster mis-mangagement Scotland is being screwed as we all know money is not devolved to Scotland that is reversed to Westminster and seen as the Tories who are the UK government right now are not meeting targets and adding the UK debt that tell's you everything you need to know Hell Labour bankrupted the UK and when the Tories came into power in 2010 they have managed to rack up more debt than any Labour government in history tell me again why the UK is so grat for Scotland when we reject the Tories ? " Spot on. All GERS do, if they are to be believed is show that Scotland does not do well in the union. Time for change. | |||
"Its a shame the Scottish governments own accounts say differently. Scotland does indeed pay into the UK but does get more in return. Even the Scottish Parliament Information Centre accepts that Scotland accounted for 9.1% of UK public spending yet only contributed 7.9% of UK revenue in 2015/16. Ah the GERS argument again. Which party was it that set up the GERS ? Also the Scottish government have to go with those figures by law. Now the bigger picture is that GERS does not show how an independent Scotland would be run what the GERS show is under Westminster mis-mangagement Scotland is being screwed as we all know money is not devolved to Scotland that is reversed to Westminster and seen as the Tories who are the UK government right now are not meeting targets and adding the UK debt that tell's you everything you need to know Hell Labour bankrupted the UK and when the Tories came into power in 2010 they have managed to rack up more debt than any Labour government in history tell me again why the UK is so grat for Scotland when we reject the Tories ? Spot on. All GERS do, if they are to be believed is show that Scotland does not do well in the union. Time for change. " . Well thats pretty sad but maybe it will be for the best for both sides as that seems to be the rhetoric on both sides  | |||
" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not" Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. | |||
" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. " . But you know as well as i do there are NO two countries called Scotland and England or Wales for that matter, weve been one country called Britain since 1700 and odd | |||
" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. " Id vote for that Equality is always the right choice . | |||
" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. . But you know as well as i do there are NO two countries called Scotland and England or Wales for that matter, weve been one country called Britain since 1700 and odd" Times change, we were once part of the Roman empire.What matters is today.Right here and right now. | |||
" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. . But you know as well as i do there are NO two countries called Scotland and England or Wales for that matter, weve been one country called Britain since 1700 and oddTimes change, we were once part of the Roman empire.What matters is today.Right here and right now. ". No my point was oil as a UK asset was shared around one country (UK) and may i add paid for to be found by one country (UK) and shared around on a per capita basis. Just what is unfair in that? | |||
"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan
What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one....
Now ive asked this question a few times but nobody wants to answer it, which oil fields legally belong to Scotland?.
When i looked this up the other day i couldn't find any, they all seemed to belong to private companies? The oil money we all talk about seemed to be a tax upon the oil as its brought ashore for processing.
It would be interesting to know if anybody actually knows the real figures?"PM me, I will send you a link on how it is done | |||
"So the green party wants to be independent and its going to be ok financially because of tax reciepts from north sea oil . Now run that by me again, more fossil fuels not less just how does that meet the green agenda, more fantacists
If that's directed at me I suggest you re-read what i posted before making asinine comments about *fantacists*. "Wasnt aimed at anybody or I would have quoted a relevant post. It was a comment on the double standards and niavety of the green party,not that they aremuch worse than many other politicians | |||
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" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. . But you know as well as i do there are NO two countries called Scotland and England or Wales for that matter, weve been one country called Britain since 1700 and oddTimes change, we were once part of the Roman empire.What matters is today.Right here and right now. .
No my point was oil as a UK asset was shared around one country (UK) and may i add paid for to be found by one country (UK) and shared around on a per capita basis.
Just what is unfair in that?"Yes and once Scotland is independent the scottish get it and get the revenue .It will be outside of UK waters.Seems geographically legit. | |||
"Leave.....but not a penny from Westminster from day One, no new formulas, deport all English born from Scotland (around 325,000) and we will deport all Scottish born from here (around 700,000)..... We could solve unemployment in England pretty damn quick, and also as so many of the Scots living here have lived here for decades and are retired it will ease problems with care..... Sounds like a plan
What about not a penny from westmonster in exchange for not a drop more of Scottish Brent, from day one....
Now ive asked this question a few times but nobody wants to answer it, which oil fields legally belong to Scotland?.
When i looked this up the other day i couldn't find any, they all seemed to belong to private companies? The oil money we all talk about seemed to be a tax upon the oil as its brought ashore for processing.
It would be interesting to know if anybody actually knows the real figures?
I wish I could help with this, but surely millions go on a daily basis to Westminster (now) from royalties..
It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not"Is that thinking why you are called what you are | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita" fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions | |||
"Now that Holyrood has passed on having a new Scottish independence referendum and for a section 30 order to agreement. Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Hell Nicola has even said she will have talks with Theresa May on when an independence referendum should take places as Nicola is willing to talk and show compromise if this suppose to be an equal partnership its high time the UK government prove it or Scotland will say goodbye to the union. Now for anyone that says SNP does not speak for Scotland then ask yourself who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? What is so wrong about letting the people of Scotland make a decide on if we agree to the final brexit deal or if we would rather an independent Scotland within the EU as Scotland did vote to remain in the EU. Also i do keep hearing that is was a UK vote yes that is correct but in 2014 the NO camp said to vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK and now its now safe in the EU as promised. People are allowed to change their minds that is their right and no one should deny anyone that right. Each one of the pro union MSP's have kept up with there shite about the Scottish government not listening to parliament on fracking the footballact etc what they do not tell you is on fracking there is a moratorium which means NO fracking here in Scotland and on the football act not one of the union parties have come forward with a bill on what they would do with it you cant seriously say vote against the football act and replace it with bugger all and allowing nasty songs to be sung in football grounds again. All i will say is the people of Scotland should be allowed to decide its own future instead of being told by the Tories what will happen. If you believe in the union thats good you will get to vote no again but you cant deny people a vote on those who have changed their minds that is a dictatorship and not one i want to live in " people seem to have forgotten what the OP was, so here it is again (above) would be good if some could stick to the subject | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions" . But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. " The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any  | |||
"Now that Holyrood has passed on having a new Scottish independence referendum and for a section 30 order to agreement. Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Hell Nicola has even said she will have talks with Theresa May on when an independence referendum should take places as Nicola is willing to talk and show compromise if this suppose to be an equal partnership its high time the UK government prove it or Scotland will say goodbye to the union. Now for anyone that says SNP does not speak for Scotland then ask yourself who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? What is so wrong about letting the people of Scotland make a decide on if we agree to the final brexit deal or if we would rather an independent Scotland within the EU as Scotland did vote to remain in the EU. Also i do keep hearing that is was a UK vote yes that is correct but in 2014 the NO camp said to vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK and now its now safe in the EU as promised. People are allowed to change their minds that is their right and no one should deny anyone that right. Each one of the pro union MSP's have kept up with there shite about the Scottish government not listening to parliament on fracking the footballact etc what they do not tell you is on fracking there is a moratorium which means NO fracking here in Scotland and on the football act not one of the union parties have come forward with a bill on what they would do with it you cant seriously say vote against the football act and replace it with bugger all and allowing nasty songs to be sung in football grounds again. All i will say is the people of Scotland should be allowed to decide its own future instead of being told by the Tories what will happen. If you believe in the union thats good you will get to vote no again but you cant deny people a vote on those who have changed their minds that is a dictatorship and not one i want to live in people seem to have forgotten what the OP was, so here it is again (above) would be good if some could stick to the subject" . Whats to say, Scottish parliament gave go ahead for refy 2, UK parliament says sure in two years, UK parliament has sovereignty, its up to UK MPs to decide in a vote would be my guess | |||
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"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. " Did you lot do that when oil was found ? | |||
"Now that Holyrood has passed on having a new Scottish independence referendum and for a section 30 order to agreement. Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Hell Nicola has even said she will have talks with Theresa May on when an independence referendum should take places as Nicola is willing to talk and show compromise if this suppose to be an equal partnership its high time the UK government prove it or Scotland will say goodbye to the union. Now for anyone that says SNP does not speak for Scotland then ask yourself who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? What is so wrong about letting the people of Scotland make a decide on if we agree to the final brexit deal or if we would rather an independent Scotland within the EU as Scotland did vote to remain in the EU. Also i do keep hearing that is was a UK vote yes that is correct but in 2014 the NO camp said to vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK and now its now safe in the EU as promised. People are allowed to change their minds that is their right and no one should deny anyone that right. Each one of the pro union MSP's have kept up with there shite about the Scottish government not listening to parliament on fracking the footballact etc what they do not tell you is on fracking there is a moratorium which means NO fracking here in Scotland and on the football act not one of the union parties have come forward with a bill on what they would do with it you cant seriously say vote against the football act and replace it with bugger all and allowing nasty songs to be sung in football grounds again. All i will say is the people of Scotland should be allowed to decide its own future instead of being told by the Tories what will happen. If you believe in the union thats good you will get to vote no again but you cant deny people a vote on those who have changed their minds that is a dictatorship and not one i want to live in people seem to have forgotten what the OP was, so here it is again (above) would be good if some could stick to the subject. Whats to say, Scottish parliament gave go ahead for refy 2, UK parliament says sure in two years, UK parliament has sovereignty, its up to UK MPs to decide in a vote would be my guess" it will happen in 18 months Sept/oct 2018 | |||
"Feck it......give them all the oil with their Independence, but ZERO money from the day after independence, no Mickey Mouse formulas, no periods of grace where the UK pays them Billions till they find their feet.... And repatriation of all Scots back north of the border.....then while we still have the Polish bricklayers in the country get The Donald to design us a bloody Great Wall. "What an angsty wee person you are. Keep up that vitriolic though, it helps convince the unionists up here that they're not wanted | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any ". You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?. Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?. Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons | |||
"Feck it......give them all the oil with their Independence, but ZERO money from the day after independence, no Mickey Mouse formulas, no periods of grace where the UK pays them Billions till they find their feet.... And repatriation of all Scots back north of the border.....then while we still have the Polish bricklayers in the country get The Donald to design us a bloody Great Wall.
What an angsty wee person you are. Keep up that vitriolic though, it helps convince the unionists up here that they're not wanted "My pleasure......anything I can do to get rid of you whingers. | |||
"Now that Holyrood has passed on having a new Scottish independence referendum and for a section 30 order to agreement. Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Hell Nicola has even said she will have talks with Theresa May on when an independence referendum should take places as Nicola is willing to talk and show compromise if this suppose to be an equal partnership its high time the UK government prove it or Scotland will say goodbye to the union. Now for anyone that says SNP does not speak for Scotland then ask yourself who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? What is so wrong about letting the people of Scotland make a decide on if we agree to the final brexit deal or if we would rather an independent Scotland within the EU as Scotland did vote to remain in the EU. Also i do keep hearing that is was a UK vote yes that is correct but in 2014 the NO camp said to vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK and now its now safe in the EU as promised. People are allowed to change their minds that is their right and no one should deny anyone that right. Each one of the pro union MSP's have kept up with there shite about the Scottish government not listening to parliament on fracking the footballact etc what they do not tell you is on fracking there is a moratorium which means NO fracking here in Scotland and on the football act not one of the union parties have come forward with a bill on what they would do with it you cant seriously say vote against the football act and replace it with bugger all and allowing nasty songs to be sung in football grounds again. All i will say is the people of Scotland should be allowed to decide its own future instead of being told by the Tories what will happen. If you believe in the union thats good you will get to vote no again but you cant deny people a vote on those who have changed their minds that is a dictatorship and not one i want to live in people seem to have forgotten what the OP was, so here it is again (above) would be good if some could stick to the subject. Whats to say, Scottish parliament gave go ahead for refy 2, UK parliament says sure in two years, UK parliament has sovereignty, its up to UK MPs to decide in a vote would be my guess it will happen in 18 months Sept/oct 2018" . Why debate, youve got crystal balls  | |||
" fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions" Scottish Territorial waters are limited to 12 nautical miles (from baselines) is the limit of the Territorial Sea which is that part of the sea adjacent to the coast of a state that is considered to be part of the territory of that state and subject to its sovereignty. From the Scottish government. http://marine.gov.scot/information/scottish-territorial-waters-12-nautical-mile-limit I,ll post my sources for all to see, I,m not afraid to share or name them. | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons"It was not myself who brought up the treaty of union, nor am I a nationalist so not sure who you're referring to. As for a political union, would you argue the eu is one country seeing as a political union exists? For what the rUK put in, they have gained much more. The bottom line remains, the people residing in Scotland, from the ages of 16 up, from all nationalities and backgrounds will let you know what we decide to do when the time comes. It's comin yet  | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons"Well we are in an era of nationalism just look around the world.I would go with the flow. | |||
"Feck it......give them all the oil with their Independence, but ZERO money from the day after independence, no Mickey Mouse formulas, no periods of grace where the UK pays them Billions till they find their feet.... And repatriation of all Scots back north of the border.....then while we still have the Polish bricklayers in the country get The Donald to design us a bloody Great Wall.
What an angsty wee person you are. Keep up that vitriolic though, it helps convince the unionists up here that they're not wanted
My pleasure......anything I can do to get rid of you whingers."Maybe throw in a few stereotypes. We love them. To be fair, most on here have been pretty even tempered. Seems it's you who has spat the dummy | |||
" fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions Scottish Territorial waters are limited to 12 nautical miles (from baselines) is the limit of the Territorial Sea which is that part of the sea adjacent to the coast of a state that is considered to be part of the territory of that state and subject to its sovereignty. From the Scottish government. http://marine.gov.scot/information/scottish-territorial-waters-12-nautical-mile-limit I,ll post my sources for all to see, I,m not afraid to share or name them." I think ive read its to do with who owns the continental shelf.So when Scotland leaves it owns the continental shelf . | |||
"Feck it......give them all the oil with their Independence, but ZERO money from the day after independence, no Mickey Mouse formulas, no periods of grace where the UK pays them Billions till they find their feet.... And repatriation of all Scots back north of the border.....then while we still have the Polish bricklayers in the country get The Donald to design us a bloody Great Wall.
What an angsty wee person you are. Keep up that vitriolic though, it helps convince the unionists up here that they're not wanted
My pleasure......anything I can do to get rid of you whingers.
Maybe throw in a few stereotypes. We love them. To be fair, most on here have been pretty even tempered. Seems it's you who has spat the dummy "On the contrary I find you lot hilarious, I like a bit of comedy and it's like watching a Krankies sketch on here with you load of clowns...... So I'm hoping you get your referendum, I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's a vote to leave the union as it will save us all a bit of earache. Happy days! | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons
It was not myself who brought up the treaty of union, nor am I a nationalist so not sure who you're referring to. As for a political union, would you argue the eu is one country seeing as a political union exists?
For what the rUK put in, they have gained much more.
The bottom line remains, the people residing in Scotland, from the ages of 16 up, from all nationalities and backgrounds will let you know what we decide to do when the time comes.
It's comin yet". What the fucks the point in arguing for greater EU integration if the first sign that Slovenia finds gold/oil/uranium and thinks oh well fuck it, Im alright jack weve just got this great new revenue stream, thanks for the money when we didnt have a pot to piss in though..... Cee yer You mean that type of political union | |||
" fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions Scottish Territorial waters are limited to 12 nautical miles (from baselines) is the limit of the Territorial Sea which is that part of the sea adjacent to the coast of a state that is considered to be part of the territory of that state and subject to its sovereignty. From the Scottish government. http://marine.gov.scot/information/scottish-territorial-waters-12-nautical-mile-limit I,ll post my sources for all to see, I,m not afraid to share or name them." So if Scotland were to gain independence surely we take back the waters Blair gave away ? | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons
It was not myself who brought up the treaty of union, nor am I a nationalist so not sure who you're referring to. As for a political union, would you argue the eu is one country seeing as a political union exists?
For what the rUK put in, they have gained much more.
The bottom line remains, the people residing in Scotland, from the ages of 16 up, from all nationalities and backgrounds will let you know what we decide to do when the time comes.
It's comin yet.
What the fucks the point in arguing for greater EU integration if the first sign that Slovenia finds gold/oil/uranium and thinks oh well fuck it, Im alright jack weve just got this great new revenue stream, thanks for the money when we didnt have a pot to piss in though..... Cee yer
You mean that type of political union
"I've not argued for increased EU integration either. So we've established that you brought up 1707. I'm not the nationalist and that I've not argued for anything regarding the eu. You feeling ok?  | |||
" fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions Scottish Territorial waters are limited to 12 nautical miles (from baselines) is the limit of the Territorial Sea which is that part of the sea adjacent to the coast of a state that is considered to be part of the territory of that state and subject to its sovereignty. From the Scottish government. http://marine.gov.scot/information/scottish-territorial-waters-12-nautical-mile-limit I,ll post my sources for all to see, I,m not afraid to share or name them. So if Scotland were to gain independence surely we take back the waters Blair gave away ? " Ace in the sleeve there | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons
It was not myself who brought up the treaty of union, nor am I a nationalist so not sure who you're referring to. As for a political union, would you argue the eu is one country seeing as a political union exists?
For what the rUK put in, they have gained much more.
The bottom line remains, the people residing in Scotland, from the ages of 16 up, from all nationalities and backgrounds will let you know what we decide to do when the time comes.
It's comin yet.
What the fucks the point in arguing for greater EU integration if the first sign that Slovenia finds gold/oil/uranium and thinks oh well fuck it, Im alright jack weve just got this great new revenue stream, thanks for the money when we didnt have a pot to piss in though..... Cee yer
You mean that type of political union
I've not argued for increased EU integration either. So we've established that you brought up 1707. I'm not the nationalist and that I've not argued for anything regarding the eu. You feeling ok? ". We went and arent a political union like the EU, we are one country the united kingdom of great Britain and Ireland. Ill give you a clue, watch the Olympics, here comes Germany and then France and Italy and the UK, all in an EU political union. Notice no Scotland or England or Wales?? | |||
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"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons
It was not myself who brought up the treaty of union, nor am I a nationalist so not sure who you're referring to. As for a political union, would you argue the eu is one country seeing as a political union exists?
For what the rUK put in, they have gained much more.
The bottom line remains, the people residing in Scotland, from the ages of 16 up, from all nationalities and backgrounds will let you know what we decide to do when the time comes.
It's comin yet.
What the fucks the point in arguing for greater EU integration if the first sign that Slovenia finds gold/oil/uranium and thinks oh well fuck it, Im alright jack weve just got this great new revenue stream, thanks for the money when we didnt have a pot to piss in though..... Cee yer
You mean that type of political union
I've not argued for increased EU integration either. So we've established that you brought up 1707. I'm not the nationalist and that I've not argued for anything regarding the eu. You feeling ok? .
We went and arent a political union like the EU, we are one country the united kingdom of great Britain and Ireland.
Ill give you a clue, watch the Olympics, here comes Germany and then France and Italy and the UK, all in an EU political union.
Notice no Scotland or England or Wales??"Aw the Olympics. Got me there. Wait so did the UK win the world cup in 66 then? And in 2003? Brilliant! You argued a political union meant one country. The EU is a political union and not one country. Northern Ireland plays with the republic at rugby. You're argument is a burst baw. Also never clarified the assertion of my advocating of nationalism or advancing EU integration and didn't acknowledge it was you that dragged up the act of union. Clamped | |||
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" It turns out its shared around on a per capita basis, if you get 47 million more people to live in Scotland youd get the same income stream, i always thought the Scots wanted a more compassionate society where the name of the game is sharing between one country (the UK) obviously not Sharing!!!!! as I have said before; to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. " Absolutly Nothing Bloody Hell we agree on something | |||
"I have heard the arguments on social media about UK subsides Scotland now if Scotland is such a drain on the rUK, as were often told, shouldn't the £ be rising on this news? Pound plunges below $1.15 as Scottish parliament backs call for independence referendum. " For a nation that is a huge net importer, this relentless fall in the GBP is not good for the people who live in the U.K. The average person has no direct correlation to the relatively small number of exporters in the country and therefore has no direct benefit. They will and do however, experience the effects of devaluation through inflation. Unfortunately, inflation derived from devaluation is the worst kind of inflation because any increase in interest rates to fix the problem only reduces consumption. | |||
"One country the UK finds oil and shares the profits around the four regions based on how many people live there?. Im still struggling to find whats unfair about that?. Actually what seems unfair is that one region(Scotland) of that country(UK) now decides it wants a bigger share than the rest of us get per capita fairly simple, its found in Scottish waters, read the white paper, it will explain anyway, do you want this link or not, may solve all your questions. But weve been one country since the union in 1700 ONE COUNTRY, so what you actually want to do is renague on the original promise where we all agreed to pool resources and share them out fairly on a per person basis?. The union in 1707 created a political union of countries, not one country. Most importantly, independence is about looking forward not dragging up a history that none of us were alive to see. International law regarding national waters will govern this and and the UK have been telling us since the discovery of oil that it's a burden and running out so why would you want any .
You mean the UK who paid to discover it in the first place!, that UK political union of countrys thats not a country, tell me did the welsh or English or Irish send a few pennys over to fund the exploration?.
Oh yes you want one country then, but now is convenient for having your own?.
Everybody wants to look forward except it would seem the nationalists who like to drag up history for their own reasons
It was not myself who brought up the treaty of union, nor am I a nationalist so not sure who you're referring to. As for a political union, would you argue the eu is one country seeing as a political union exists?
For what the rUK put in, they have gained much more.
The bottom line remains, the people residing in Scotland, from the ages of 16 up, from all nationalities and backgrounds will let you know what we decide to do when the time comes.
It's comin yet.
What the fucks the point in arguing for greater EU integration if the first sign that Slovenia finds gold/oil/uranium and thinks oh well fuck it, Im alright jack weve just got this great new revenue stream, thanks for the money when we didnt have a pot to piss in though..... Cee yer
You mean that type of political union
I've not argued for increased EU integration either. So we've established that you brought up 1707. I'm not the nationalist and that I've not argued for anything regarding the eu. You feeling ok? .
We went and arent a political union like the EU, we are one country the united kingdom of great Britain and Ireland.
Ill give you a clue, watch the Olympics, here comes Germany and then France and Italy and the UK, all in an EU political union.
Notice no Scotland or England or Wales??
Aw the Olympics. Got me there. Wait so did the UK win the world cup in 66 then? And in 2003? Brilliant!
You argued a political union meant one country. The EU is a political union and not one country. Northern Ireland plays with the republic at rugby. You're argument is a burst baw.
Also never clarified the assertion of my advocating of nationalism or advancing EU integration and didn't acknowledge it was you that dragged up the act of union.
Clamped ". You do know football isnt governed by the same rules as the Olympics i presume? Wheres sovereignty been since 1707 then, Westminster parliament where MPs from Wales England Ireland and Scotland represent the people of the UK, with one bank,one currency, one exchequer and one prime minister. I cant think what else you call that but one country | |||
"I have heard the arguments on social media about UK subsides Scotland now if Scotland is such a drain on the rUK, as were often told, shouldn't the £ be rising on this news? Pound plunges below $1.15 as Scottish parliament backs call for independence referendum. " No the pound is $1.24 | |||
"I have heard the arguments on social media about UK subsides Scotland now if Scotland is such a drain on the rUK, as were often told, shouldn't the £ be rising on this news? Pound plunges below $1.15 as Scottish parliament backs call for independence referendum. No the pound is $1.24" Check everything.?? | |||
"I have heard the arguments on social media about UK subsides Scotland now if Scotland is such a drain on the rUK, as were often told, shouldn't the £ be rising on this news? Pound plunges below $1.15 as Scottish parliament backs call for independence referendum. No the pound is $1.24 Check everything.??" seeing as the rate was 1.25 last time I looked I was a bit shocked so checked, or is this more post truth news that we believe anything that is posted, hey why let facts get in the way of a good story | |||
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"I have heard the arguments on social media about UK subsides Scotland now if Scotland is such a drain on the rUK, as were often told, shouldn't the £ be rising on this news? Pound plunges below $1.15 as Scottish parliament backs call for independence referendum. No the pound is $1.24 Check everything.?? seeing as the rate was 1.25 last time I looked I was a bit shocked so checked, or is this more post truth news that we believe anything that is posted, hey why let facts get in the way of a good story" euro is 1.15 | |||
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"The chair of the constitutional committee in Brussels says Scotland's vote won't be ignored in Brexit negotiations the Tories are going to cause the break up of the UK lmao" And how does that "civil service" speak translate exactly? | |||
"The chair of the constitutional committee in Brussels says Scotland's vote won't be ignored in Brexit negotiations the Tories are going to cause the break up of the UK lmao And how does that "civil service" speak translate exactly? " 'Go away you annoying little woman' | |||
"The chair of the constitutional committee in Brussels says Scotland's vote won't be ignored in Brexit negotiations the Tories are going to cause the break up of the UK lmao And how does that "civil service" speak translate exactly? 'Go away you annoying little woman' "Far from annoying: She is a clever and sexy Scottish hottie. | |||
"The chair of the constitutional committee in Brussels says Scotland's vote won't be ignored in Brexit negotiations the Tories are going to cause the break up of the UK lmao And how does that "civil service" speak translate exactly? 'Go away you annoying little woman'
Far from annoying: She is a clever and sexy Scottish hottie."Others may say she is a "one trick pony". | |||
"The chair of the constitutional committee in Brussels says Scotland's vote won't be ignored in Brexit negotiations the Tories are going to cause the break up of the UK lmao And how does that "civil service" speak translate exactly? 'Go away you annoying little woman' "You better get used to her as she isnt going anywhere | |||
"Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. " Er, Theresa May is the leader of the party elected to form the government of the UK in the general election of 2015. I think you'll find that in the United Kingdom, we do not directly elect the Prime Miister. We vote for our constituency MP. The party with the largest number of MP's then forms a government and are free to choose who becomes Prime Minister, though usually, this will be the party leader at the time. Let me pose a question though. What would you suppose might have happened if, in the 2015 election, David Cameron had lost his seat, but the conservatives still managed to secure a majority? He would not have been able to continue as PM, as only an elected MP can do so. By your reasoning, Gordon Brown was an unelected Prime Minister - but no general election was called when he took over from Tony Bliar. Sir John Major took over from Margaret Thatcher in 1990 and was therefore an 'unelected' PM - until of course winning the election of 1992 If you're going to make statements on the constitution of the United Kingdom, please make sure that you check your facts | |||
"Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Er, Theresa May is the leader of the party elected to form the government of the UK in the general election of 2015. I think you'll find that in the United Kingdom, we do not directly elect the Prime Miister. We vote for our constituency MP. The party with the largest number of MP's then forms a government and are free to choose who becomes Prime Minister, though usually, this will be the party leader at the time. Let me pose a question though. What would you suppose might have happened if, in the 2015 election, David Cameron had lost his seat, but the conservatives still managed to secure a majority? He would not have been able to continue as PM, as only an elected MP can do so. By your reasoning, Gordon Brown was an unelected Prime Minister - but no general election was called when he took over from Tony Bliar. Sir John Major took over from Margaret Thatcher in 1990 and was therefore an 'unelected' PM - until of course winning the election of 1992 If you're going to make statements on the constitution of the United Kingdom, please make sure that you check your facts" So what manifesto does Theresa May stand under ? Its not her 2015 manifesto so she has bugger all mandate and clearly does not have a mandate in Scotland though the Tories think with one mp that can do what the hell the want but thats not true. Lmao so remember when Gordon Brown took over the Labour party who was it that said there should be a election has he has no mandate oh its Theresa May lol She has some cheek eh maybe she should follow her own advice but she wont as she is shit feart that the SNP will win a bigger majority of MP's Also lets go back before my time but its in history of the bitch Thatcher saying that if Scotland voted in pro indy nationals that was enough to gain independence and the reason why i say she was a bitch is my family struggled through the poll tax and when she shut down the coal mines just as alot of families suffered with that | |||
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"If anyone is watching the embarrassment of Theresa May right now on BBC1 on a new Scottish independence referendum should be be embarrassed to have that as a PM So she says now is not the time well fucking duh the Scottish government are not asking for one the now its when the Scottish people will know the final deal and when asked when would be the time she went back to her pish tired old crap line of ''it shouldnt be a question if but whether there should be one'' If you can read between the lines of what she is saying is she cant block it and she is trying to deny it that wont work as there is people out there in Scotland that have changed their minds on independence and they have a right to do so and cant deny someone that right or its truly a dictatorship " She ain't wearing no bike lock as necklace now... Weird. | |||
"If anyone is watching the embarrassment of Theresa May right now on BBC1 on a new Scottish independence referendum should be be embarrassed to have that as a PM So she says now is not the time well fucking duh the Scottish government are not asking for one the now its when the Scottish people will know the final deal and when asked when would be the time she went back to her pish tired old crap line of ''it shouldnt be a question if but whether there should be one'' If you can read between the lines of what she is saying is she cant block it and she is trying to deny it that wont work as there is people out there in Scotland that have changed their minds on independence and they have a right to do so and cant deny someone that right or its truly a dictatorship " She wants the ref2 between autumn 18 ans spring 19 thats before the two year period is up so again you are wrong, if the scottsh people want another vote then go for it but why the rush ? Surely it will be better to wait until the deal is sorted and then you can make an informed decision, | |||
"If anyone is watching the embarrassment of Theresa May right now on BBC1 on a new Scottish independence referendum should be be embarrassed to have that as a PM So she says now is not the time well fucking duh the Scottish government are not asking for one the now its when the Scottish people will know the final deal and when asked when would be the time she went back to her pish tired old crap line of ''it shouldnt be a question if but whether there should be one'' If you can read between the lines of what she is saying is she cant block it and she is trying to deny it that wont work as there is people out there in Scotland that have changed their minds on independence and they have a right to do so and cant deny someone that right or its truly a dictatorship She wants the ref2 between autumn 18 ans spring 19 thats before the two year period is up so again you are wrong, if the scottsh people want another vote then go for it but why the rush ? Surely it will be better to wait until the deal is sorted and then you can make an informed decision, " Listen to what Theresa May said on the BBC tonight again she said 18 months to 2 years Now what the Scottish government are asking for is an independence referendum to be held within the 18months to 2 year period unless things change and it brexit becomes longer Now what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people the right to choose if they agree to the final deal on brexit or to choose independence ? I cannot believe anyone would say to deny people the right to decide on their future as people are allowed to change their minds on independence as it was clear in 2014 the No camp said vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK its now no longer safe in the UK so people should be allowed to change their minds and decide and not for the UK government to dictator to another country that rejects the Tories Then you have to take in the N.Ireland problem with borders and the good Friday agreement and if there is no border then people can travel to the Rep.of Ireland go through the N.Ireland and jump on a ferry and guess what they will be in the UK some want to control borders eh alot of problems and no i do not feel sorry one bit for the Tories they cause this problem now they can lay in the bed they have made i do feel sorry for the UK people that either want the union to stay together and for people wanting the break up the UK as the Tories vanity project to keep UKIP out has fucked the Tories big time If the UK is to stay together then hopefully the English people can see their is more than Labour , Tory and UKIP out there to go and vote for Their history is nothing to be proud of with either bankrupting the UK or taking money of people that are poor or unfit to work | |||
" Now what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people the right to choose if they agree to the final deal on brexit or to choose independence ? " So you agree thats its best to wait until the deal is finalised before a vote then. | |||
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" Now what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people the right to choose if they agree to the final deal on brexit or to choose independence ? So you agree thats its best to wait until the deal is finalised before a vote then. " Ah see where this is going i say yes and then its going to be see you do agree not quite what i am saying is once the final deal has been agreed then before it gets signed allow the Scottish people to decide if they agree on the deal or go for independence. | |||
" Now what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people the right to choose if they agree to the final deal on brexit or to choose independence ? So you agree thats its best to wait until the deal is finalised before a vote then. Ah see where this is going i say yes and then its going to be see you do agree not quite what i am saying is once the final deal has been agreed then before it gets signed allow the Scottish people to decide if they agree on the deal or go for independence. " That is the sensible view buts its not from my understanding what NS wants to happen | |||
"This two years nonsense is not set in stone, an extension to the process is built into article 50. It is not a good idea to tie ourselves to a specific date rather than wait until the negotiations have actually been concluded. It may be sorted in the earliest possible time but knowing the EU, I doubt it very much. " You need to listen to Nicola she has said to what she has been told it will be 18months to 2 years and if it changes then they will look into that too but they can only go with what the PM and the EU have said correct ? | |||
" Now what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people the right to choose if they agree to the final deal on brexit or to choose independence ? So you agree thats its best to wait until the deal is finalised before a vote then. Ah see where this is going i say yes and then its going to be see you do agree not quite what i am saying is once the final deal has been agreed then before it gets signed allow the Scottish people to decide if they agree on the deal or go for independence. That is the sensible view buts its not from my understanding what NS wants to happen" Right 18months would put it towards Oct 2018 and Spring 2019 is the two years so that is within the time the Scottish government are saying the would want the referendum so give the Scottish people the right to choose and if the UK government want people to believe this is a equal partnership she better starting listening. | |||
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", Listen to what Theresa May said on the BBC tonight again she said 18 months to 2 years Now what the Scottish government are asking for is an independence referendum to be held within the 18months to 2 year period unless things change and it brexit becomes longer Now what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people the right to choose if they agree to the final deal on brexit or to choose independence ? I cannot believe anyone would say to deny people the right to decide on their future as people are allowed to change their minds on independence as it was clear in 2014 the No camp said vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK its now no longer safe in the UK so people should be allowed to change their minds and decide and not for the UK government to dictator to another country that rejects the Tories " . How is an indy referendum anything to do with agreeing to a brexit deal?. You could agree to brexit but disagree with the deal put forward or disagree about brexit or think the deal is the best one on offer. Independence is a totally different question, thats why its called an indy ref not a brexit ref | |||
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"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro?" i dont understand why you asking "Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster?".... Scotland has been ruled by London since 1707 and Scotland has never been ruled by EU nor the UK was: UK was part of the biggest economic trading bloc in the world but it was also independent. I hope you understand Scotland wants to become independent and as an independent country Scotland will have entire power to decide for instance how to invest their income from oil revenues (the same income is now distributed among the entire union could be distributed among Scots only) or becoming part of the economic bloc of your taste, for instance EU. In other words: Scotland wont be ruled by the EU after independency. If after independency you decide to join the EU, Scotland will remain independent too. The notion if UK being independent after brexit is one of the many lies used by westminster to misinform the public. | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro?" 1. an independent Scotland will not be ruled by Brussels there is 27 independent countries in the EU and all of them have a veto and so will an independent Scotland in the EU. 2. Scotland is in the EU yes i know its not the member state that sadly is the UK but all 4 nations in the UK are within the EU its just the UK government that will do deals with the EU. Scotland voice is NOT being heard in Westminster all amendments and i mean ALL amendments which were brought forward from the Scottish mp's were rejected Then we go into EVEL Wesminster is suppose to be a UK parliament strange eh that they want English votes for English laws that could still effect Scotland like the health budget if there is a cut in the English NHS it has effect on Scotland budget on the NHS as money is not devolved to Scotland. And the fact that English mp's still will get to vote on Scottish matters like the Scotland bill is crazy then we have the unelected Lords telling Scotland what devolved powers we should and shouldnt get that is on no way an equal partnership No one is forced into using the Euro Sweden is the best example of that Sweden have been in the EU since the 90's and they are being forced into using the Euro Hell the NO camp in 2014 were trying the best to say an independent Scotland wouldnt be able to use the pound until they finally had to admit it that Scotland can use the pound as its not tied to any one country | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro?" It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. " But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other." Actually if you read your facts right greeces problems were mostly self inflicted ..short working hours and early retirement age along with government mismanagement of national finances add to that the finacial crisis across most of the world and you have the ultimate recipe for financial meltdown.... the Eu has done nothing but bail greece out since then ..without Eu bail outs on 2010 2012 and again in 2015 feck knows where greece would be now  so i would say for all the Eu's failings there is good work there too | |||
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"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. Actually if you read your facts right greeces problems were mostly self inflicted ..short working hours and early retirement age along with government mismanagement of national finances add to that the finacial crisis across most of the world and you have the ultimate recipe for financial meltdown.... the Eu has done nothing but bail greece out since then ..without Eu bail outs on 2010 2012 and again in 2015 feck knows where greece would be now so i would say for all the Eu's failings there is good work there too ". Thats true and not true. The euro was the problem for Greece not the EU. Greece's history is littered with mismanagement, if that were the problem this would have happened decades ago, the reason it didnt is the reason their old currency was 450-1 on the pound and their new currency is 1.15-1 to the pound, look at those figures and tell me how that happened? Thats Greece's problems. Oh by the way, the average Greek work as longer hours as anybody else in Europe, that myth got debunked years ago | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. Actually if you read your facts right greeces problems were mostly self inflicted ..short working hours and early retirement age along with government mismanagement of national finances add to that the finacial crisis across most of the world and you have the ultimate recipe for financial meltdown.... the Eu has done nothing but bail greece out since then ..without Eu bail outs on 2010 2012 and again in 2015 feck knows where greece would be now so i would say for all the Eu's failings there is good work there too "I would add to that: The amount of infrastructure development that Greece, Spain and Portugal have had since year 2000 would have not been achieved if those countries were on their own, not even in their wildest dreams; their people can thank the EU for that... Sadly, masses tend to forget quick. | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? 1. an independent Scotland will not be ruled by Brussels there is 27 independent countries in the EU and all of them have a veto and so will an independent Scotland in the EU. 2. Scotland is in the EU yes i know its not the member state that sadly is the UK but all 4 nations in the UK are within the EU its just the UK government that will do deals with the EU. Scotland voice is NOT being heard in Westminster all amendments and i mean ALL amendments which were brought forward from the Scottish mp's were rejected Then we go into EVEL Wesminster is suppose to be a UK parliament strange eh that they want English votes for English laws that could still effect Scotland like the health budget if there is a cut in the English NHS it has effect on Scotland budget on the NHS as money is not devolved to Scotland. And the fact that English mp's still will get to vote on Scottish matters like the Scotland bill is crazy then we have the unelected Lords telling Scotland what devolved powers we should and shouldnt get that is on no way an equal partnership No one is forced into using the Euro Sweden is the best example of that Sweden have been in the EU since the 90's and they are being forced into using the Euro Hell the NO camp in 2014 were trying the best to say an independent Scotland wouldnt be able to use the pound until they finally had to admit it that Scotland can use the pound as its not tied to any one country " . Look this isnt true either,"Scotlands voice"was heard by the UK parliament where Scots MPs sit, they were heard and then out voted by the rest of the UKs MPs, your 4.5 million population carries less weight than the rest of the UKs 66 million population, that's called democracy, your argument is no different than brexiteers with the EU where they complain that the UKs 70 million population gets drowned out by the EUs 400 million. So your not getting what you want? thats fucking life, its how the system works, sometimes you get what you want because your in agreement with the majority sometimes you dont because your not. What is a reoccurring point on this forum is the minute somebody doesnt get what they want its because everybody else has it in for them and low and behold the solution is to get out, separate, build a wall.. The welsh assembly doesnt listen to the voices on Angelsey but the solution is not to blow up the bridge | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? 1. an independent Scotland will not be ruled by Brussels there is 27 independent countries in the EU and all of them have a veto and so will an independent Scotland in the EU. 2. Scotland is in the EU yes i know its not the member state that sadly is the UK but all 4 nations in the UK are within the EU its just the UK government that will do deals with the EU. Scotland voice is NOT being heard in Westminster all amendments and i mean ALL amendments which were brought forward from the Scottish mp's were rejected Then we go into EVEL Wesminster is suppose to be a UK parliament strange eh that they want English votes for English laws that could still effect Scotland like the health budget if there is a cut in the English NHS it has effect on Scotland budget on the NHS as money is not devolved to Scotland. And the fact that English mp's still will get to vote on Scottish matters like the Scotland bill is crazy then we have the unelected Lords telling Scotland what devolved powers we should and shouldnt get that is on no way an equal partnership No one is forced into using the Euro Sweden is the best example of that Sweden have been in the EU since the 90's and they are being forced into using the Euro Hell the NO camp in 2014 were trying the best to say an independent Scotland wouldnt be able to use the pound until they finally had to admit it that Scotland can use the pound as its not tied to any one country . Look this isnt true either,"Scotlands voice"was heard by the UK parliament where Scots MPs sit, they were heard and then out voted by the rest of the UKs MPs, your 4.5 million population carries less weight than the rest of the UKs 66 million population, that's called democracy, your argument is no different than brexiteers with the EU where they complain that the UKs 70 million population gets drowned out by the EUs 400 million. So your not getting what you want? thats fucking life, its how the system works, sometimes you get what you want because your in agreement with the majority sometimes you dont because your not. What is a reoccurring point on this forum is the minute somebody doesnt get what they want its because everybody else has it in for them and low and behold the solution is to get out, separate, build a wall.. The welsh assembly doesnt listen to the voices on Angelsey but the solution is not to blow up the bridge" Yet the entire union can benefit from the 1+ million barrels a day of brent pumped from Scottish waters... Properly managed, a 4.5 million population would benefit immensely from the oil activity only. | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? 1. an independent Scotland will not be ruled by Brussels there is 27 independent countries in the EU and all of them have a veto and so will an independent Scotland in the EU. 2. Scotland is in the EU yes i know its not the member state that sadly is the UK but all 4 nations in the UK are within the EU its just the UK government that will do deals with the EU. Scotland voice is NOT being heard in Westminster all amendments and i mean ALL amendments which were brought forward from the Scottish mp's were rejected Then we go into EVEL Wesminster is suppose to be a UK parliament strange eh that they want English votes for English laws that could still effect Scotland like the health budget if there is a cut in the English NHS it has effect on Scotland budget on the NHS as money is not devolved to Scotland. And the fact that English mp's still will get to vote on Scottish matters like the Scotland bill is crazy then we have the unelected Lords telling Scotland what devolved powers we should and shouldnt get that is on no way an equal partnership No one is forced into using the Euro Sweden is the best example of that Sweden have been in the EU since the 90's and they are being forced into using the Euro Hell the NO camp in 2014 were trying the best to say an independent Scotland wouldnt be able to use the pound until they finally had to admit it that Scotland can use the pound as its not tied to any one country . Look this isnt true either,"Scotlands voice"was heard by the UK parliament where Scots MPs sit, they were heard and then out voted by the rest of the UKs MPs, your 4.5 million population carries less weight than the rest of the UKs 66 million population, that's called democracy, your argument is no different than brexiteers with the EU where they complain that the UKs 70 million population gets drowned out by the EUs 400 million. So your not getting what you want? thats fucking life, its how the system works, sometimes you get what you want because your in agreement with the majority sometimes you dont because your not. What is a reoccurring point on this forum is the minute somebody doesnt get what they want its because everybody else has it in for them and low and behold the solution is to get out, separate, build a wall.. The welsh assembly doesnt listen to the voices on Angelsey but the solution is not to blow up the bridge Yet the entire union can benefit from the 1+ million barrels a day of brent pumped from Scottish waters... Properly managed, a 4.5 million population would benefit immensely from the oil activity only." . Thats right were all sharing in Scotlands oil and were all better off for it, just the same as Scotland was sharing in the wealth of Britain from Yorkshire mills to welsh slate and gold for hundreds of fucking years. | |||
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"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? 1. an independent Scotland will not be ruled by Brussels there is 27 independent countries in the EU and all of them have a veto and so will an independent Scotland in the EU. 2. Scotland is in the EU yes i know its not the member state that sadly is the UK but all 4 nations in the UK are within the EU its just the UK government that will do deals with the EU. Scotland voice is NOT being heard in Westminster all amendments and i mean ALL amendments which were brought forward from the Scottish mp's were rejected Then we go into EVEL Wesminster is suppose to be a UK parliament strange eh that they want English votes for English laws that could still effect Scotland like the health budget if there is a cut in the English NHS it has effect on Scotland budget on the NHS as money is not devolved to Scotland. And the fact that English mp's still will get to vote on Scottish matters like the Scotland bill is crazy then we have the unelected Lords telling Scotland what devolved powers we should and shouldnt get that is on no way an equal partnership No one is forced into using the Euro Sweden is the best example of that Sweden have been in the EU since the 90's and they are being forced into using the Euro Hell the NO camp in 2014 were trying the best to say an independent Scotland wouldnt be able to use the pound until they finally had to admit it that Scotland can use the pound as its not tied to any one country . Look this isnt true either,"Scotlands voice"was heard by the UK parliament where Scots MPs sit, they were heard and then out voted by the rest of the UKs MPs, your 4.5 million population carries less weight than the rest of the UKs 66 million population, that's called democracy, your argument is no different than brexiteers with the EU where they complain that the UKs 70 million population gets drowned out by the EUs 400 million. So your not getting what you want? thats fucking life, its how the system works, sometimes you get what you want because your in agreement with the majority sometimes you dont because your not. What is a reoccurring point on this forum is the minute somebody doesnt get what they want its because everybody else has it in for them and low and behold the solution is to get out, separate, build a wall.. The welsh assembly doesnt listen to the voices on Angelsey but the solution is not to blow up the bridge Yet the entire union can benefit from the 1+ million barrels a day of brent pumped from Scottish waters... Properly managed, a 4.5 million population would benefit immensely from the oil activity only. . Thats right were all sharing in Scotlands oil and were all better off for it, just the same as Scotland was sharing in the wealth of Britain from Yorkshire mills to welsh slate and gold for hundreds of fucking years." I dont think the comparison works well if you consider the amount of total (oil) reserves under Scotland waters... It's a huge number, I let you do the research . | |||
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"Nail on head, the "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too" brigade see only the negatives but never the positives of the Union. Scotland has benefited from the Union immensely, and there is no doubt that it has contributed to it also. Pooling and sharing works. " . From watt who helped extract the coal so much cheaper with his Steam engine to Dunlop who invented the rubber for our wheels to Baird and bell who gave us telecoms and Fleming who gave us antibiotics. Weve all benefited from working together and to the other poster above who said its not a good analogy. We ran on coal in this country for 300 years, weve had North sea oil for 40 | |||
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"Now that Holyrood has passed on having a new Scottish independence referendum and for a section 30 order to agreement. Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Hell Nicola has even said she will have talks with Theresa May on when an independence referendum should take places as Nicola is willing to talk and show compromise if this suppose to be an equal partnership its high time the UK government prove it or Scotland will say goodbye to the union. Now for anyone that says SNP does not speak for Scotland then ask yourself who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? What is so wrong about letting the people of Scotland make a decide on if we agree to the final brexit deal or if we would rather an independent Scotland within the EU as Scotland did vote to remain in the EU. Also i do keep hearing that is was a UK vote yes that is correct but in 2014 the NO camp said to vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK and now its now safe in the EU as promised. People are allowed to change their minds that is their right and no one should deny anyone that right. Each one of the pro union MSP's have kept up with there shite about the Scottish government not listening to parliament on fracking the footballact etc what they do not tell you is on fracking there is a moratorium which means NO fracking here in Scotland and on the football act not one of the union parties have come forward with a bill on what they would do with it you cant seriously say vote against the football act and replace it with bugger all and allowing nasty songs to be sung in football grounds again. All i will say is the people of Scotland should be allowed to decide its own future instead of being told by the Tories what will happen. If you believe in the union thats good you will get to vote no again but you cant deny people a vote on those who have changed their minds that is a dictatorship and not one i want to live in " unelected ? no PM is elected by the public vote system . . TM took over after Cameron bolted. . Parties are elected not Ministers of any kind. Was NS voted into her job? | |||
"Nail on head, the "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too" brigade see only the negatives but never the positives of the Union. Scotland has benefited from the Union immensely, and there is no doubt that it has contributed to it also. Pooling and sharing works. . From watt who helped extract the coal so much cheaper with his Steam engine to Dunlop who invented the rubber for our wheels to Baird and bell who gave us telecoms and Fleming who gave us antibiotics. Weve all benefited from working together and to the other poster above who said its not a good analogy. We ran on coal in this country for 300 years, weve had North sea oil for 40 " And the entire union could have Scottish Brent for a nice number of centuries; I let you do the research... | |||
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"Now that Holyrood has passed on having a new Scottish independence referendum and for a section 30 order to agreement. Now like i said it would be unwise for an unelected PM to block a independence referendum as Theresa May stands on NO manifesto of her own and has no mandate. Hell Nicola has even said she will have talks with Theresa May on when an independence referendum should take places as Nicola is willing to talk and show compromise if this suppose to be an equal partnership its high time the UK government prove it or Scotland will say goodbye to the union. Now for anyone that says SNP does not speak for Scotland then ask yourself who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? What is so wrong about letting the people of Scotland make a decide on if we agree to the final brexit deal or if we would rather an independent Scotland within the EU as Scotland did vote to remain in the EU. Also i do keep hearing that is was a UK vote yes that is correct but in 2014 the NO camp said to vote no and the EU will be safe in the UK and now its now safe in the EU as promised. People are allowed to change their minds that is their right and no one should deny anyone that right. Each one of the pro union MSP's have kept up with there shite about the Scottish government not listening to parliament on fracking the footballact etc what they do not tell you is on fracking there is a moratorium which means NO fracking here in Scotland and on the football act not one of the union parties have come forward with a bill on what they would do with it you cant seriously say vote against the football act and replace it with bugger all and allowing nasty songs to be sung in football grounds again. All i will say is the people of Scotland should be allowed to decide its own future instead of being told by the Tories what will happen. If you believe in the union thats good you will get to vote no again but you cant deny people a vote on those who have changed their minds that is a dictatorship and not one i want to live in unelected ? no PM is elected by the public vote system . . TM took over after Cameron bolted. . Parties are elected not Ministers of any kind. Was NS voted into her job? " Right the big difference is the PM stands on no manifesto of her own the Tory 2015 manifesto was under David Cameron and she has no mandate The 2016 Scottish elections SNP were elected and Nicola does have a mandate to deliver on her 2015 and 2016 manifestos | |||
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"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other." You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? | |||
"Nail on head, the "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too" brigade see only the negatives but never the positives of the Union. Scotland has benefited from the Union immensely, and there is no doubt that it has contributed to it also. Pooling and sharing works. . From watt who helped extract the coal so much cheaper with his Steam engine to Dunlop who invented the rubber for our wheels to Baird and bell who gave us telecoms and Fleming who gave us antibiotics. Weve all benefited from working together and to the other poster above who said its not a good analogy. We ran on coal in this country for 300 years, weve had North sea oil for 40 And the entire union could have Scottish Brent for a nice number of centuries; I let you do the research... " . Could be an operative word,i could inherit bill gates fortune, i could be the next Hugh Hefner,i could marry Madonna! There all very good coulds except oh i dont the worlds already said it has to be off oil by 2050 or we,ll all be under water by 2100, so could is could but likely is different, its extremely unlikely that we'll be running on Scottish oil for anything over 50 years just like nobody rides a coal powered traction engine to work anymore, coal from Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire, Newcastle and WALES which was worth a fortune and could have made every person in Wales rich beyond the dreams of avarice for 1000s of years as one leader said in 1905 when horses outnumbered? cars 1000-1 in London, by 1915 of course cars outnumbered horses by the same ratio as the "new" fuel of oil found its feet and just as quick as horses and coal were condemned to the history books oil will as well, its called technology and invention, something that Scots used to excel in | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. Actually if you read your facts right greeces problems were mostly self inflicted ..short working hours and early retirement age along with government mismanagement of national finances add to that the finacial crisis across most of the world and you have the ultimate recipe for financial meltdown.... the Eu has done nothing but bail greece out since then ..without Eu bail outs on 2010 2012 and again in 2015 feck knows where greece would be now so i would say for all the Eu's failings there is good work there too "You can excuse the EU all you want but it does not change the fact that the EU knew Greece would not be able to cope with the Euro before they let them use it. | |||
"So the green party wants to be independent and its going to be ok financially because of tax reciepts from north sea oil . Now run that by me again, more fossil fuels not less just how does that meet the green agenda, more fantacists " | |||
"I'm sorry but still don't get two things:- Why is it better being ruled by Europe than Westminster? How do we ever meet the criteria for EU membership? We wield no power in either jurisdiction but our voice will always be heard in Westminster. We have no financial criteria to base membership on and do you really want the Euro? It is astonishing that after the pre Referendum debate and post referendum arguing there are still people who think that the EU "rule over them." The propaganda was either magnificent in its effect or there are some very easily influenced people in the country. The UK, like all 27 other members of the EU are Sovereign States. The European Union is a Union of independent states working together for the common good of all Europeans. That is it. But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London?" Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. | |||
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" ........... But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. " Clutching at straws aren't you? You suggested that entire countries "should" be equal if the EU was working, yet you can't see that even two cities in this country are not equal. | |||
" ........... But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. Clutching at straws aren't you? You suggested that entire countries "should" be equal if the EU was working, yet you can't see that even two cities in this country are not equal." And now you see why vast areas of middle and Northern England voted leave | |||
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"So the legendary 'Spanish EU veto' finally makes an appearance the twist is that it has nothing to do with Scotland lol " lol? Are you happy to see Gibraltarians to be used as "bargaining chips" now? | |||
" ........... But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. Clutching at straws aren't you? You suggested that entire countries "should" be equal if the EU was working, yet you can't see that even two cities in this country are not equal. And now you see why vast areas of middle and Northern England voted leave" What? They voted leave because their own governments, one after another chose to prioritise the SE over everywhere else. Meanwhile the EU funded massive regeneration programmes in the areas that our own governments have systematically ignored. Yes, I get it now. Blame foreigners - not us. | |||
" ........... But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. Clutching at straws aren't you? You suggested that entire countries "should" be equal if the EU was working, yet you can't see that even two cities in this country are not equal. And now you see why vast areas of middle and Northern England voted leave What? They voted leave because their own governments, one after another chose to prioritise the SE over everywhere else. Meanwhile the EU funded massive regeneration programmes in the areas that our own governments have systematically ignored. Yes, I get it now. Blame foreigners - not us." Really? And what has the EU done for my region? New roads? Nope Infrastructure? Nope A new airport? Nope Investment in industry? Nope Blame the foreigners? We need every migrants we can get up here, and they are all welcomed. But even now, the migrants that are here, those that have settled here, those that contribute, are saying enough is enough. I really do wonder what planet some of you live on at times! | |||
" ........... But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. Clutching at straws aren't you? You suggested that entire countries "should" be equal if the EU was working, yet you can't see that even two cities in this country are not equal." I,m not clutching at anything unlike you I voted leave so I,m getting what I want it may well be rough for a few years after we have finally left but I think we will be better off in 10 years time. Even the Pope says the EU must change or die what does that tell you. | |||
As soon as she does she will be in breach of international law which we cannot be ruled without consent.
The first Scottish independence referendum wasnt just a "dirty tricks" campaign run from Westminster it was contrary to the very treaties UK is signatory to! The UK government should not have been involved in any way, shape or form!
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"But she is not blocking it just saying it is not the right time, but if the SNP want to go ahead then they are wellcome as long as they are paying for it "As known as blocking it. Theresa May is on record as saying it will be 18months to 2 years so the Scottish government are asking to hold one when the final deal on brexit is known and before all is agreed the Scottish people decide on if they agree on brexit or to vote for independence. Hell when asked when is the time she couldnt even answer that is was right back to the shite old lines of ''its not a question if there is one its if their should be one'' No one seems to have a problem with the EU referendum and who was paying for that. Put this way how dumb does it look when the UK government want independence for the UK and it was only a adviser EU referendum but still will go ahead with that yet they will try to block/ deny a government's mandate for a legal Scottish referendum Well the minute she does it breaches International Law wouldnt like to be in her shoes when she loses yet another court case all because the Tories do NOT listen and think they know whats best for countries that dont vote Tory | |||
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"Consider it a moratorium. "Lol while the Tories think UK independence on an adviser EU referendum is ok but deny a government mandate to hold a legal independence referendum lmao How anyone can think the Tories are doing a great job is beyond me well in saying that they are doing a really good job and breaking the UK up and i dont feel sorry one bit for the Tories they have caused it all. | |||
"Consider it a moratorium.
Lol while the Tories think UK independence on an adviser EU referendum is ok but deny a government mandate to hold a legal independence referendum lmao
How anyone can think the Tories are doing a great job is beyond me well in saying that they are doing a really good job and breaking the UK up and i dont feel sorry one bit for the Tories they have caused it all.
"And why would they want you to feel sorry for them? How are you getting on with your Spanish research from earlier on? | |||
" ........... But it does,nt work for everybody, explain why Spain and Greece are not as well off as Germany and France if it worked for all Europeans they should all be on a par with each other. You mean like how Blackburn is as wealthy as London? Since when has London and Blackburn been countries. Clutching at straws aren't you? You suggested that entire countries "should" be equal if the EU was working, yet you can't see that even two cities in this country are not equal. I,m not clutching at anything unlike you I voted leave so I,m getting what I want it may well be rough for a few years after we have finally left but I think we will be better off in 10 years time. Even the Pope says the EU must change or die what does that tell you." It tells me the pope should be concentrating on ing out paedophile priests and keep his nose out of politics. | |||
"Consider it a moratorium.
Lol while the Tories think UK independence on an adviser EU referendum is ok but deny a government mandate to hold a legal independence referendum lmao
How anyone can think the Tories are doing a great job is beyond me well in saying that they are doing a really good job and breaking the UK up and i dont feel sorry one bit for the Tories they have caused it all.
And why would they want you to feel sorry for them?
How are you getting on with your Spanish research from earlier on?"I wouldnt feel sorry for them thats point. What Spanish research ? That Spain wouldnt veto an independent Scotland i think that one has been 100% cleared up now and it was all a myth. Or is it the fact Former Tories coming out on live tv saying the UK would go to war to defend Gibralter. Britain goes to war to ensure that small British populations can consent to remain British. | |||
"Consider it a moratorium.
Lol while the Tories think UK independence on an adviser EU referendum is ok but deny a government mandate to hold a legal independence referendum lmao
How anyone can think the Tories are doing a great job is beyond me well in saying that they are doing a really good job and breaking the UK up and i dont feel sorry one bit for the Tories they have caused it all.
And why would they want you to feel sorry for them?
How are you getting on with your Spanish research from earlier on?
I wouldnt feel sorry for them thats point.
What Spanish research ? That Spain wouldnt veto an independent Scotland i think that one has been 100% cleared up now and it was all a myth.
Or is it the fact Former Tories coming out on live tv saying the UK would go to war to defend Gibralter. Britain goes to war to ensure that small British populations can consent to remain British.
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"so the spanish foreign minster says they won't oppose an independent scotland's membership of the EU ... that undermines the position of mrs maygabe and her flying monkeys just a tad ... good luck with project fear mk II pmsl "No one has said that the Spanish would veto an application from an independent Scotland. What Spain have said, and even just last week, that at the moment it's a hypothetical question. They have also said that if Scotland does go independent, then Scotland will have to join the due process to join the EU. That means applying, meeting ALL of the criteria, and using the Euro. Trolling at its best again! | |||
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"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out " . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? | |||
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"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? " No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want? | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?" . You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland" How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. | |||
"Great to see Green amendment for 16/17 year olds as well as EU citizens living here being given a vote pass with the motion." Let's face it,all its gonna take to ensure the 16/17 year olds vote, Is a braveheart dvd, And a bottle of fizzy juice. . Giving EU citizens the vote, Isn't really a surprise. With the SNPs desire to retain EU membership, And them being EU citizens. With the clue being in the name, It's hardly gonna take sherlock homes, To work out which way that votes going. . Let's just hope,this time, they can accept defeat,and move on. If not,next time,I can see them giving sheep a vote, with no money of their own, and having already bummed every Tom dick and Harry, susceptible to a sob story, and a wee bit of shortbread. In their desperation,They'll have to resort to bumming a pay day lender, Charging 10,000% interest a day. Just to pay the interest, they'll have to realine the retirement age,to 105, 107 if you've got red hair. Then they'll spend the lot, and the next three years, Teaching the sheep,which box to put their cross. With the option,of mutton sandwiches all round. | |||
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"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. " . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner" Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united | |||
"Oh poor Nicola and her cult following are clutching at the disappearing straws of there Independence dream. Only yesterday she ruled out calling an election.....I wonder why ? Maybe she knows her own coat is on a loose peg.. The fanatics have pushed her into this position....No referendum till at least after the next Holyrood election. If her share of the vote drops ...She has lost her referendum chance for another decade....She will be out as her time frame as leader will have passed.....Can i suggest an able new leader in Angela Constance "Right i can see you have a big problem with the SNP so who is it you would rather be in government in Scotland and who would you rather be FM in Scotland Ruth ? Kezia ? Willie ? Has everyone seen the Scottish Tory leaflets for the council elections in less than a month ? No policy other than stopping a referendum. No referendum until after 2021 ? Is that what pro union supporters are really hoping for ? So dont believe in democracy as the SNP were elected on their 2015 and 2016 manifesto's I mean take for example if Labour , Tory or Lib Dem had won the Scottish elections in 2016 would people be honestly saying they should wait till after the 2021 Scottish elections to deliver on their 2016 manifesto's ? | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united " . You pay less because theres less of you, how can you not grasp that?, you point would assume that angelsey pays the same amount as Wales or England towards costs of the 55 road that linked Holyhead to England, of course we didnt we payed a tiny amount of the cost of that road but we gained financially massively more than a person who lives in Lincolnshire. Trident is simply a big cash cow for Scotland, you pay very little towards the cost but gain massively from it, thats just how it is. If you want to get rid of it on moral grounds thats fine, thats Scotlands choice but dont tell me its for financial reasons as thats just bs | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united . You pay less because theres less of you, how can you not grasp that?, you point would assume that angelsey pays the same amount as Wales or England towards costs of the 55 road that linked Holyhead to England, of course we didnt we payed a tiny amount of the cost of that road but we gained financially massively more than a person who lives in Lincolnshire. Trident is simply a big cash cow for Scotland, you pay very little towards the cost but gain massively from it, thats just how it is. If you want to get rid of it on moral grounds thats fine, thats Scotlands choice but dont tell me its for financial reasons as thats just bs" So cant tell me how much Scotland pays for Trident other than saying Scotland hardly pays for it ? How much ? | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united " Not that the snp ever stick their noses into purely english/welsh/NI matters | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united . You pay less because theres less of you, how can you not grasp that?, you point would assume that angelsey pays the same amount as Wales or England towards costs of the 55 road that linked Holyhead to England, of course we didnt we payed a tiny amount of the cost of that road but we gained financially massively more than a person who lives in Lincolnshire. Trident is simply a big cash cow for Scotland, you pay very little towards the cost but gain massively from it, thats just how it is. If you want to get rid of it on moral grounds thats fine, thats Scotlands choice but dont tell me its for financial reasons as thats just bs So cant tell me how much Scotland pays for Trident other than saying Scotland hardly pays for it ? How much ? " . Im really not sure if your an idiot or playing at being an idiot. Which bit of what i said dont you understand?. You as a Scot pay the same as i as a welshman or Sebastian in London. The difference being theres 60 million English people paying and only 4.5 million Scots so the English pay more towards trident than you do as a Scot because theres more of them but they get less return on it because all the general spend is in Scotland!. Now if you can't grasp what Im saying thats fine but please stop with this yeah but no but yeah bollocks, nobody else but you is failing to grasp it | |||
"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united . You pay less because theres less of you, how can you not grasp that?, you point would assume that angelsey pays the same amount as Wales or England towards costs of the 55 road that linked Holyhead to England, of course we didnt we payed a tiny amount of the cost of that road but we gained financially massively more than a person who lives in Lincolnshire. Trident is simply a big cash cow for Scotland, you pay very little towards the cost but gain massively from it, thats just how it is. If you want to get rid of it on moral grounds thats fine, thats Scotlands choice but dont tell me its for financial reasons as thats just bs So cant tell me how much Scotland pays for Trident other than saying Scotland hardly pays for it ? How much ? . Im really not sure if your an idiot or playing at being an idiot. Which bit of what i said dont you understand?. You as a Scot pay the same as i as a welshman or Sebastian in London. The difference being theres 60 million English people paying and only 4.5 million Scots so the English pay more towards trident than you do as a Scot because theres more of them but they get less return on it because all the general spend is in Scotland!. Now if you can't grasp what Im saying thats fine but please stop with this yeah but no but yeah bollocks, nobody else but you is failing to grasp it " Am out the minute it starts with name calling am out. Am simply asking a question since you seem to know Scotland hardly pays for it but you dont know how much am out am not interested in the whole name calling shit. We are adults on an adult site that is suppose to be about having fun i enjoy debating with people but have no interest in the name calling part. | |||
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"I love how people seem to know that an independent Scotland will be very bad. But they seem to think being tied to Westminster is doing very well for Scotland. Wesminster governments is to blame for Scotland deficit as money is not devolved so that Westminster governments mis-management This UK government have not met a target since they took office in 2010 and added to the UK debt. If people have a problem with the SNP fair enough but in an independent Scotland you can vote them out . Are you saying the SNP dont know how much they have to spend yearly as the UK government steal money from their allocated budget? No am not saying that as people should know the SNP spend is underbudget which does carry on to the next year. All thanks to the SNP as Scottish Labour underspend when they were in office 1999-2007 they sent their 1billion underspend money back to Westminster Take Trident for example a majority in Scotland do not want the nuclear weapons yet all because Scotland is in the UK we have to have them in Scotland crazy eh ? Now £200 Billion+ on nuclear weapons that Scotland majority do not want how many is Scotland paying towards these nuclear weapons ? £15 billion deficit Pro union supporters like to keep saying Scotland has how much of that £15 billon gets wiped out the minute Scotland waves goodbye to the nuclear weapons that Scotland does not want?. You actually pay hardly anything towards nuclear weapons but receive an awful lot back in terms of spend because nearly all the nuclear weapons are run though Scotland How much does Scotland pay for the nuclear weapons ? If Scotland hardly pays anything towards Trident then it shows you the UK is not so united and is not an equal partnership. . Your obsessed with the word equality. Look you have 5 million people out of 70 million people, you pay less because your less % of the population, but you gain massively from that spend because they're all based in Scotland, so you get like 90% of the jobs and spend but only pay a small cost towards it because your a small population. Its the biggest winner Scotland has and you'd be mad to get rid of them for cost reasons!. Sure you could get rid of them on moral grounds and thats a different argument but on costs your on a winner Ok so how much does Scotland pay towards Trident then ? You say hardly pay anything as if you seem to know what Scotland does pay ? Yet another reason for the case for independence that i keep hearing 5 million in Scotland to 60 million + in England no equal partnership just pure dictatorship and no am not blaming England am blaming the fucked up system of Westminster a UK parliament where English MP's get to stick their noses into Scottish matters like the Scotland Bill yet EVEL is all ok There is no UK it never was and never will be united . You pay less because theres less of you, how can you not grasp that?, you point would assume that angelsey pays the same amount as Wales or England towards costs of the 55 road that linked Holyhead to England, of course we didnt we payed a tiny amount of the cost of that road but we gained financially massively more than a person who lives in Lincolnshire. Trident is simply a big cash cow for Scotland, you pay very little towards the cost but gain massively from it, thats just how it is. If you want to get rid of it on moral grounds thats fine, thats Scotlands choice but dont tell me its for financial reasons as thats just bs So cant tell me how much Scotland pays for Trident other than saying Scotland hardly pays for it ? How much ? . Im really not sure if your an idiot or playing at being an idiot. Which bit of what i said dont you understand?. You as a Scot pay the same as i as a welshman or Sebastian in London. The difference being theres 60 million English people paying and only 4.5 million Scots so the English pay more towards trident than you do as a Scot because theres more of them but they get less return on it because all the general spend is in Scotland!. Now if you can't grasp what Im saying thats fine but please stop with this yeah but no but yeah bollocks, nobody else but you is failing to grasp it Am out the minute it starts with name calling am out. Am simply asking a question since you seem to know Scotland hardly pays for it but you dont know how much am out am not interested in the whole name calling shit. We are adults on an adult site that is suppose to be about having fun i enjoy debating with people but have no interest in the name calling part. " . Re read this very long post, its very long because your just being obtuse. Scotland is what about 6% of the UK population therefore in reality your paying "very little" towards something thats very expensive and yet your receiving the "lions share" of returns on that spend because its nearly all based in Scotland!! Now thats not that hard a concept to grasp is it? | |||
