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over a year ago
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By the devolved governments in scotland and wales choosing to spend their budgets in differant ways. here in wales we habe tended to have longer waiting lists.
Partly as a result of money being spent on free prescriptions that could otherwise have been spent on the waiting lists.
If the devolved governments merely replicate westminster spending decisions then whats the point of devolution !!
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from? "
In relation to Scotland they do benefit more than any other part of the UK from the Barnet formula, which results in more money per head being spent on people there than other parts of the UK, so they have Westminster to thank for that. |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from? "
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
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I'll think you'll find that this is a review of certain drugs and medicines that are available "over the counter" at better prices than a prescribed prescription.
Free prescriptions in England are available now, and in the future, to those that meet the qualifying criteria. |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
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I think you will find that that wasn't my question. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
I think you will find that that wasn't my question. "
I think you can translate the answer as " the devolved governments pay for them as a way of making themselves look good" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
I think you will find that that wasn't my question.
I think you can translate the answer as " the devolved governments pay for them as a way of making themselves look good""
I think you'll find it's the way the devolved Governments demonstrate a better social approach to the needs of their populations rather than target the poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable as the Tory government does. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
I think you will find that that wasn't my question.
I think you can translate the answer as " the devolved governments pay for them as a way of making themselves look good"
I think you'll find it's the way the devolved Governments demonstrate a better social approach to the needs of their populations rather than target the poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable as the Tory government does. "
And does Noami Eisenstaat and the Scottish BMA agree with that policy? |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
I think you will find that that wasn't my question.
I think you can translate the answer as " the devolved governments pay for them as a way of making themselves look good"
I think you'll find it's the way the devolved Governments demonstrate a better social approach to the needs of their populations rather than target the poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable as the Tory government does. "
Why didn't Labour change it when they were in power? |
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I'm epileptic and I get my prescriptions free. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, however, because I get my epilepsy meds free I can get all other prescriptions free. I don't think that is right. Luckily I rarely get anything else from the gp. In fact I rarely see him. On the odd occasion I do get another medication prescribed I pay for it.
I think they could save a fair amount of money if it was just medication for treatment of lifelong conditions that was free not all prescriptions. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from? "
From their annual budget ..its not rocket science .. scotland believes it should try protect the poor/sick and youth instead of burdening them with high fees ..yes the money could be spent elsewhere like the english do but we believe its better spent in these areas of society  |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
From their annual budget ..its not rocket science .. scotland believes it should try protect the poor/sick and youth instead of burdening them with high fees ..yes the money could be spent elsewhere like the english do but we believe its better spent in these areas of society "
Its a Nobel thing to prioritize.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
From their annual budget ..its not rocket science .. scotland believes it should try protect the poor/sick and youth instead of burdening them with high fees ..yes the money could be spent elsewhere like the english do but we believe its better spent in these areas of society Its a Nobel thing to prioritize. "
See, American again |
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The other debate around tuition fees is how much ever actually gets paid back?
I'm a mature student, just finishing a degree and will end up with around £40k of SF debt, very little of which will ever get paid off.
You only pay off any debt (at extremely low interest) if you're earning over £21k, you're 'only' liable for the debt for 30 years and it's written off when you reach the age of 60 (65 if you took out the loan over the age of 40), unless the 30 years is sooner.
In reality, very little money is ever recouped. |
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You only pay off any debt (at extremely low interest) if you're earning over £21k, you're 'only' liable for the debt for 30 years and it's written off when you reach the age of 60 (65 if you took out the loan over the age of 40), unless the 30 years is sooner.
In reality, very little money is ever recouped."
Yeah, and who pays off that debt? Taxpayers, including those of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland even though our students don't qualify for the grant. That doesn't seem too fair either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You only pay off any debt (at extremely low interest) if you're earning over £21k, you're 'only' liable for the debt for 30 years and it's written off when you reach the age of 60 (65 if you took out the loan over the age of 40), unless the 30 years is sooner.
In reality, very little money is ever recouped.
Yeah, and who pays off that debt? Taxpayers, including those of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland even though our students don't qualify for the grant. That doesn't seem too fair either. "
Is that any different to when university education was free? Or do you not feel that graduates put anything back into the system? |
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"The other debate around tuition fees is how much ever actually gets paid back?
I'm a mature student, just finishing a degree and will end up with around £40k of SF debt, very little of which will ever get paid off.
You only pay off any debt (at extremely low interest) if you're earning over £21k, you're 'only' liable for the debt for 30 years and it's written off when you reach the age of 60 (65 if you took out the loan over the age of 40), unless the 30 years is sooner.
In reality, very little money is ever recouped."
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So in reality the debt is always there just in a different name gov/student? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The sum of money is still there, it's just no longer a debt."
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So the government lay out the money anyhow through taxation and spending.
The only difference here is that they then run the money through private banks via the student's name? |
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I am very much in favour of uni being free as advanced education in things like science medicine stuff that really matters but when it is used for things like music, art and stuff like that it seems a real piss take |
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"The sum of money is still there, it's just no longer a debt..
So the government lay out the money anyhow through taxation and spending.
The only difference here is that they then run the money through private banks via the student's name?"
Pretty much. There's a lot of scaremongering that goes around about paid education not being affordable, when in reality, it is.
However, the scaremongering can have the effect of putting off students from poor families considering attending university.
Only a cynic would consider this an attempt by the establishment to keep the proles in their place though... |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"The sum of money is still there, it's just no longer a debt..
So the government lay out the money anyhow through taxation and spending.
The only difference here is that they then run the money through private banks via the student's name?
Pretty much. There's a lot of scaremongering that goes around about paid education not being affordable, when in reality, it is.
However, the scaremongering can have the effect of putting off students from poor families considering attending university.
Only a cynic would consider this an attempt by the establishment to keep the proles in their place though..."
I must be a cynic  |
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"I am very much in favour of uni being free as advanced education in things like science medicine stuff that really matters but when it is used for things like music, art and stuff like that it seems a real piss take "
A lot of the fundamental skills you learn are identical in both...critical thinking, the ability to research and write in a concise, coherent manner. These skills are sought after in the business world regardless of what the degree was in.
I'm doing a BSc, so I have no invested interest in sticking up for arts students. |
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"The sum of money is still there, it's just no longer a debt..
So the government lay out the money anyhow through taxation and spending.
The only difference here is that they then run the money through private banks via the student's name?
Pretty much. There's a lot of scaremongering that goes around about paid education not being affordable, when in reality, it is.
However, the scaremongering can have the effect of putting off students from poor families considering attending university.
Only a cynic would consider this an attempt by the establishment to keep the proles in their place though...
I must be a cynic "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The sum of money is still there, it's just no longer a debt..
So the government lay out the money anyhow through taxation and spending.
The only difference here is that they then run the money through private banks via the student's name?
Pretty much. There's a lot of scaremongering that goes around about paid education not being affordable, when in reality, it is.
However, the scaremongering can have the effect of putting off students from poor families considering attending university.
Only a cynic would consider this an attempt by the establishment to keep the proles in their place though..."
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So In a way in reality its just another money creation exercise like QE, to create money you need a name to attach the debt too, once youve got that you can lend and lend again on the same piece of debt.
In this scenario the worst thing that could happen is the student to repay the original debt of which all the other borrowings are made on, crikey if they did repay then all the loans would have to be recalled or the bank would face a negative balance sheet and need another government hand out, i think they call it extend and pretend in the industry  |
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"The sum of money is still there, it's just no longer a debt..
So the government lay out the money anyhow through taxation and spending.
The only difference here is that they then run the money through private banks via the student's name?
Pretty much. There's a lot of scaremongering that goes around about paid education not being affordable, when in reality, it is.
However, the scaremongering can have the effect of putting off students from poor families considering attending university.
Only a cynic would consider this an attempt by the establishment to keep the proles in their place though....
So In a way in reality its just another money creation exercise like QE, to create money you need a name to attach the debt too, once youve got that you can lend and lend again on the same piece of debt.
In this scenario the worst thing that could happen is the student to repay the original debt of which all the other borrowings are made on, crikey if they did repay then all the loans would have to be recalled or the bank would face a negative balance sheet and need another government hand out, i think they call it extend and pretend in the industry "
My mate got made redundant and paid off his student loan with the money; sometimes it takes a special kind of stupid! |
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Is that any different to when university education was free? Or do you not feel that graduates put anything back into the system?"
Yes it is different when university education was free, because we were all putting into the pot and all taking out of the pot. Now, we all put into the pot and only English students can take out of the pot.
There was a case a few months ago of Welsh post grads who, as they'd been living in England for the last 3-4 years due to their studies, applied for a grant from England as there is currently no funding available for post grad study in Wales, despite initially being awarded the grant, they were later refused it when it was found out they were Welsh - they would have been putting back into the system too! In fact, they'll probably get jobs in England where the wages are higher. |
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I have a scenario. bear with me.
I've been to see the doctor with a wracking cough. I'm a poor old chap who is on benefits and caught in the poverty trap. The doctor says a few good doses of night nurse should sort it and is about to write out a prescription for it and then thinks. Hang on, this stuff is only £ 5 a bottle and the prescription is £ 8.40.
Ok he says. I'm not prescribing you this because you can be a good chap and pop along and buy it for a fiver.
My reply is Doctor I'm skint, I'm on benefits. I need the night nurse but can't afford the £ 5 the chemist charges for it. Please do me a prescription, I don't pay for it anyway so no harm done.
This is the problem in a nutshell isn't it. How do I get my night nurse ? without costing the NHS an extra £ 3.40 ?
What is the mechanism for me to get this cheap across the counter medicine
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a scenario. bear with me.
I've been to see the doctor with a wracking cough. I'm a poor old chap who is on benefits and caught in the poverty trap. The doctor says a few good doses of night nurse should sort it and is about to write out a prescription for it and then thinks. Hang on, this stuff is only £ 5 a bottle and the prescription is £ 8.40.
Ok he says. I'm not prescribing you this because you can be a good chap and pop along and buy it for a fiver.
My reply is Doctor I'm skint, I'm on benefits. I need the night nurse but can't afford the £ 5 the chemist charges for it. Please do me a prescription, I don't pay for it anyway so no harm done.
This is the problem in a nutshell isn't it. How do I get my night nurse ? without costing the NHS an extra £ 3.40 ?
What is the mechanism for me to get this cheap across the counter medicine
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Just nick it, your on benefits for no income and no assets! What they gonna do, fine yer  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ha
It's behind the counter stuff though as contains a sedative 
I just love night nurse. Always knocks me out and I can make crystal meth with it too as contains methylamine
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is that any different to when university education was free? Or do you not feel that graduates put anything back into the system?
Yes it is different when university education was free, because we were all putting into the pot and all taking out of the pot. Now, we all put into the pot and only English students can take out of the pot.
There was a case a few months ago of Welsh post grads who, as they'd been living in England for the last 3-4 years due to their studies, applied for a grant from England as there is currently no funding available for post grad study in Wales, despite initially being awarded the grant, they were later refused it when it was found out they were Welsh - they would have been putting back into the system too! In fact, they'll probably get jobs in England where the wages are higher."
Changing this year, apparently. The Welsh government is making post-grad finance of up to £10k available. The same with Scotland and a slightly different system in NI.
I'll agree it's not an ideal system but then neither is the clusterfuck that is student finance overall.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a scenario. bear with me.
I've been to see the doctor with a wracking cough. I'm a poor old chap who is on benefits and caught in the poverty trap. The doctor says a few good doses of night nurse should sort it and is about to write out a prescription for it and then thinks. Hang on, this stuff is only £ 5 a bottle and the prescription is £ 8.40.
Ok he says. I'm not prescribing you this because you can be a good chap and pop along and buy it for a fiver.
My reply is Doctor I'm skint, I'm on benefits. I need the night nurse but can't afford the £ 5 the chemist charges for it. Please do me a prescription, I don't pay for it anyway so no harm done.
This is the problem in a nutshell isn't it. How do I get my night nurse ? without costing the NHS an extra £ 3.40 ?
What is the mechanism for me to get this cheap across the counter medicine
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In a logical, simplistic world, you'd get the medicine on prescription for a charge of £5 to the NHS, not the full prescription amount but unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I had the answers I'd have done Economics instead of Criminology and put the world to rights via a different route"
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What did you think to my solution then |
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"If I had the answers I'd have done Economics instead of Criminology and put the world to rights via a different route.
What did you think to my solution then "
We already have a massively overcrowded prison system and a turn away from punitive punishment not an increase is the answer.
However, in your scenario, they'd probably get a custodial sentence
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Changing this year, apparently. The Welsh government is making post-grad finance of up to £10k available. The same with Scotland and a slightly different system in NI.
I'll agree it's not an ideal system but then neither is the clusterfuck that is student finance overall.
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2018, at the expense of funding available to undergraduate students |
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just pointing out that the treasury sells the student loan book in blocks, to private debt collection agencies such as erudio .... they are now selling the block that covers 2002-2006 and will have completed the sale of student debt up to 2012 in four years time .... they have clauses which allows them to alter the reypayment structures which will mean that some people who expect to be able to default will find they can't and must re-pay |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from? "
The same place as free prescriptions for qualifying people living in England, the budget money set aside for it. |
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Surely time has come for a review of the NHS?
When it was set up in 1948 life was different, and basically it has kept the same "model" it needs a revamp? In this day and age should we really expect "free" health cover? This can only be achieved if we, as a nation pay more in - government and individuals!
As a national government we don't match any other EU country for funding on comparative basis? Why? We are the 5th largest economy in the world! It needs change and quickly. |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
The same place as free prescriptions for qualifying people living in England, the budget money set aside for it."
It comes from the Barnett formula, for every 97p public spending in England, Scotland get £1.17. |
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"In Scotland and wales, where does the money come from?
I think you will find todays topic of news is stopping certain "free" prescriptions in ENGLAND
NHS England announced a review after local health bosses identified £400m of spending they believed had little or no clinical value.
The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.
'Low value' medicines on the list and their annual cost to the NHS:
?£30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
?£21.88m on gluten-free foods
?£17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating a form of neuralgia
?£10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
?£10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
?£8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
?£9.47m on travel vaccines
?£7.12m on Doxazosin, a drug for high blood pressure
?£6.43m on rubs and ointments
?£5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils
I think you will find that that wasn't my question.
I think you can translate the answer as " the devolved governments pay for them as a way of making themselves look good"
I think you'll find it's the way the devolved Governments demonstrate a better social approach to the needs of their populations rather than target the poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable as the Tory government does. "
Or the previous several governments as the policy is long established. |
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