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" “For someone who is deeply pro-European to basically say he doesn’t trust the German people not to misbehave shows how utterly out of touch he is with the modern world and the modern, democratic and free Germany.” " Freedom of speech, he can say what he wants and how he feels, he is not alone, many do not trust Germany, and rightly so. | |||
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"This all proves one thig,Heseltine has lost his marble very sad." it's about time he checked himself into an old people's home. Sounds like senile dementia maybe starting to set in. | |||
"This all proves one thig,Heseltine has lost his marble very sad. it's about time he checked himself into an old people's home. Sounds like senile dementia maybe starting to set in. "Yes, time for a permanent straightjacket get-together with fellow sufferers Major, Blair, Clegg, Farron etc. | |||
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"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is." Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is." That is total bollocks. -Matt | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt" Come on Matt, tell us what you really think  | |||
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"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think "It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is." Comedy gold right here from shag. You want to know why germany is a powerful industrialised nation.Half of all youngsters in upper secondary school are in vocational training, and half of these are in apprenticeships.Germans prepare.Germans believe if you are in debt you are doing something wrong.The German word for borrowing is the same word for guilt.So personal debt is competitively low.You wont find any off this in mein kampf.  | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Comedy gold right here from shag. You want to know why germany is a powerful industrialised nation.Half of all youngsters in upper secondary school are in vocational training, and half of these are in apprenticeships.Germans prepare.Germans believe if you are in debt you are doing something wrong.The German word for borrowing is the same word for guilt.So personal debt is competitively low.You wont find any off this in mein kampf. "They won't be in debt,very few Germans have mortgages | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Comedy gold right here from shag. You want to know why germany is a powerful industrialised nation.Half of all youngsters in upper secondary school are in vocational training, and half of these are in apprenticeships.Germans prepare.Germans believe if you are in debt you are doing something wrong.The German word for borrowing is the same word for guilt.So personal debt is competitively low.You wont find any off this in mein kampf. "Very true, yet our glorious leaders have been saying for years we should all go to uni and study politics,media studies etc etcso they can all become bankers  | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is." If Germany is indeed a post war super power then it's been built on an engineering and manufacturing base that has no equal in Europe. As for the EU being built on Hitler's blueprints then that's a load of cobblers..... | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think
It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned."Actually it was dreamt up on the back of a fag packet by the Stalinist and communist Altiero Spinelli while he was in prison and he is the original architect of the Maastricht Treaty. There is even an EU building named after him in Brussels | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think
It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned.
Actually it was dreamt up on the back of a fag packet by the Stalinist and communist Altiero Spinelli while he was in prison and he is the original architect of the Maastricht Treaty. There is even an EU building named after him in Brussels "No my dear: That's something you just made up. But if it suits your beliefs, fine with me. My advice to you: Read books, proper ones. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think
It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned.
Actually it was dreamt up on the back of a fag packet by the Stalinist and communist Altiero Spinelli while he was in prison and he is the original architect of the Maastricht Treaty. There is even an EU building named after him in Brussels
No my dear: That's something you just made up. But if it suits your beliefs, fine with me. My advice to you: Read books, proper ones."Made up? Google him. My dear | |||
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"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. " The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think
It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned."Neville Chamberlain was a terrible Prime Minister, he tried to appease Hitler. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50. "Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!  | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think
It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned.
Neville Chamberlain was a terrible Prime Minister, he tried to appease Hitler. "I have an "I love NC" shirt; I may let you have it if you do your homework. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away! "You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!
You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations".... | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!
You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations.... "This EU army that doesn't even exist? Got any proof of this crazy conspiracy theory? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? " Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from?" Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? " Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know  | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away! "The only thing hilarious here is that you think I give a flying fuck about the EU. We're leaving now so quite frankly I couldn't give a shit what they do once we've left. Plus if the UK leaving puts a huge dent in plans for an EU army I'll happily rejoice in that. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt Come on Matt, tell us what you really think
It is my understanding the EU was envisioned by Neville Chamberlain prior to WWII, and supported afterwards by Winston Churchill. Must be sad/shocking for the two best PM's the UK has ever had to see their own country out of what they envisioned.
Neville Chamberlain was a terrible Prime Minister, he tried to appease Hitler.
I have an "I love NC" shirt; I may let you have it if you do your homework."The "NC" probably stands for Nicolas Cage. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!
You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations....
This EU army that doesn't even exist? Got any proof of this crazy conspiracy theory? "It was already pointed out on an earlier post in the thread, but as usual you fail to take in and digest what is being said. The plan for the EU army is in an official EU document called the EU 5 Presidents report. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!
You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations....
This EU army that doesn't even exist? Got any proof of this crazy conspiracy theory?
It was already pointed out on an earlier post in the thread, but as usual you fail to take in and digest what is being said. The plan for the EU army is in an official EU document called the EU 5 Presidents report. "Right, so how many soldiers will it have? What currency will they be paid in? Which rifle will they use? Will they use the regimental system or the continental divisional system? Will national armies still exist? | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!
You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations....
This EU army that doesn't even exist? Got any proof of this crazy conspiracy theory?
It was already pointed out on an earlier post in the thread, but as usual you fail to take in and digest what is being said. The plan for the EU army is in an official EU document called the EU 5 Presidents report.
Right, so how many soldiers will it have? What currency will they be paid in? Which rifle will they use? Will they use the regimental system or the continental divisional system? Will national armies still exist? "If i answer those things you'll probably go on to ask how many boot lace holes EU soldiers will have in their standard issue EU army boots 
Point is, you are never satisfied. The plan for an EU army is in the official EU document called the EU five Presidents report, end of. | |||
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"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. Hardly a Super Power. Forth strongest economy in the world just ahead of the UK (and we're hardly a super power any more), no significant armed forces, no nuclear weapons. The success they've achieved has, at least, been done without the need to slaughter millions of innocent lives. I don't think you can really compare it to Hitlers ambitions. The EU does want an EU army though, read the EU 5 Presidents report, its all in there, a European superstate, an EU anthem, an EU flag, one EU currency and yes an EU army. Plan for EU army has taken a significant blow now UK is leaving the EU though, as UK armed forces was one of the biggest in the EU, roll on Wednesday and article 50.
Hilarious centaur, you shit your pants over a European army, yet the UK would have been able to veto it if it ever came up, but would voted to throw the veto away!
You know the point of an EU army? To quell dissent in its own member nations....
This EU army that doesn't even exist? Got any proof of this crazy conspiracy theory?
It was already pointed out on an earlier post in the thread, but as usual you fail to take in and digest what is being said. The plan for the EU army is in an official EU document called the EU 5 Presidents report.
Right, so how many soldiers will it have? What currency will they be paid in? Which rifle will they use? Will they use the regimental system or the continental divisional system? Will national armies still exist?
If i answer those things you'll probably go on to ask how many boot lace holes EU soldiers will have in their standard issue EU army boots
Point is, you are never satisfied. The plan for an EU army is in the official EU document called the EU five Presidents report, end of. "If you cant even the most basic of questions such as will national militaries still exist it really shows you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. | |||
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"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -Matt" No, it aint, he created the basic plan of it. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -MattNo, it aint, he created the basic plan of it." No he didn't. -Matt | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -MattNo, it aint, he created the basic plan of it. No he didn't. -Matt" We have to agree to disagree on that one. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -MattNo, it aint, he created the basic plan of it. No he didn't. -MattWe have to agree to disagree on that one." Fair enough. I guess I missed the part in which Germany's military went about conquering countries to form the Federation of Europe. I was under the impression they all joined the EU voluntarily. -Matt | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know "Good luck with that one. | |||
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"Quite frankly I don't give a fuck whose idea it was. Hitler? Some obscure Italian communist? A Belgian socialist called Spaak? or a former deputy director of the failed league of nations. Bottom line is that while it started with good intentions the whole Euro super state has been a disaster, just ask your average Greek. Remember, the road to ruin is littered with good intentions." I just saw a Swedish MEP on channel 4 news. He said "today is D-day number 2. Britain has shone the light of freedom on Brussels today. It is left to Britain to show Europe the way to liberation once again." | |||
"I have always felt that the whole European Union project was just a different way for Germany to achieve the dominance of Europe that it was unable to achieve through invasion and conflict. Interestingly though, while the political will of Germany appears to be to keep the EU project alive at all costs, I understand that the people of Germany hold a very different view altogether, and they are getting sick and tired of their country effectively paying for the majority of other member states." There is quite a bit of truth in that. Many Germans are really sick to the back teeth of bailing out the rest of the EU. Also Merkels self inflicted migrant crisis has really focused a lot of minds. However the Germans have always had the mantra "Stay close to nurse for fear of something worse" That is why, come September, they have the Hobsons choice of Merkel or Schultz. Merkel the bad nurse, or Schultz a hell of a lot worse. | |||
"I have always felt that the whole European Union project was just a different way for Germany to achieve the dominance of Europe that it was unable to achieve through invasion and conflict. Interestingly though, while the political will of Germany appears to be to keep the EU project alive at all costs, I understand that the people of Germany hold a very different view altogether, and they are getting sick and tired of their country effectively paying for the majority of other member states. There is quite a bit of truth in that. Many Germans are really sick to the back teeth of bailing out the rest of the EU. Also Merkels self inflicted migrant crisis has really focused a lot of minds. However the Germans have always had the mantra "Stay close to nurse for fear of something worse" That is why, come September, they have the Hobsons choice of Merkel or Schultz. Merkel the bad nurse, or Schultz a hell of a lot worse." What about the AFD? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one. "Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in. | |||
"Quite frankly I don't give a fuck whose idea it was. Hitler? Some obscure Italian communist? A Belgian socialist called Spaak? or a former deputy director of the failed league of nations. Bottom line is that while it started with good intentions the whole Euro super state has been a disaster, just ask your average Greek. Remember, the road to ruin is littered with good intentions. I just saw a Swedish MEP on channel 4 news. He said "today is D-day number 2. Britain has shone the light of freedom on Brussels today. It is left to Britain to show Europe the way to liberation once again."" An MEP with some foresight. Sounds like a goodun | |||
"Quite frankly I don't give a fuck whose idea it was. Hitler? Some obscure Italian communist? A Belgian socialist called Spaak? or a former deputy director of the failed league of nations. Bottom line is that while it started with good intentions the whole Euro super state has been a disaster, just ask your average Greek. Remember, the road to ruin is littered with good intentions." | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in. "Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?"Which quote? This one? "The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'" | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'""You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?"It comes from the first post at the top of the thread | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread "So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better. | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better."I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post! | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post! "Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face? "No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that. | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that. "Read it properly and comprehend what is written. It would make a good change | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that. "Beep beep beep vehicle reversing beep beep berp vehicle reversing beep......... | |||
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"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that. "I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet. | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet."What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway "Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks. Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason. However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany. The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper. But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said. | |||
"I have always felt that the whole European Union project was just a different way for Germany to achieve the dominance of Europe that it was unable to achieve through invasion and conflict. Interestingly though, while the political will of Germany appears to be to keep the EU project alive at all costs, I understand that the people of Germany hold a very different view altogether, and they are getting sick and tired of their country effectively paying for the majority of other member states. There is quite a bit of truth in that. Many Germans are really sick to the back teeth of bailing out the rest of the EU. Also Merkels self inflicted migrant crisis has really focused a lot of minds. However the Germans have always had the mantra "Stay close to nurse for fear of something worse" That is why, come September, they have the Hobsons choice of Merkel or Schultz. Merkel the bad nurse, or Schultz a hell of a lot worse. What about the AFD? " They will do well especially in the old East Germany but any real hope of them even being a part of the Government would be, at best, optimistic. However the horse trading after the election could be quite interesting. Merkel's CDU/CSU alliance (think UK Conservative) is, at the moment at least, expected to top the poll with Schultz's SPD (Labour) coming second but as usual there will be no overall majority. FPD (Lib Dems) have pretty much imploded and the Greens are losing support at an alarming rate. Then there are Die Linke (hard left) and AFD (right) Schultz knows he can't win outright so, even at this early stage, he is trumpeting the idea of a "red red green" coalition with Die Linke and the Greens. Strangely enough that could be AFD's best hope. Merkel has always said that she would never do a deal with AFD but it could end up with with it being the only way she can keep Schultz and his partners at bay. The German electoral system is quite complicated with a combination of FPTP and PR and overhang seats so it's impossible to say from an opinion poll percentage how many seats each party will get. However on current polling most commentators expect AFD to end up with somewhere between 60 and 70 seats. Should Merkel be in a position where she needs them to stay in power expect principles to be chucked out of the window quite early in the negotiations. | |||
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"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said."So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it. So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted. So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said.
So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it.
So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted.
So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP? "Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? | |||
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" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security?" Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said.
So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it.
So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted.
So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP? "I think you will find that has been answered by the OP and the thread has moved on a bit. Do try to keep up at the back. | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? " All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? | |||
"Ms Merkel is trying to call the tune on what will or wont be discussed, I thought the EU had 26 other countries and were meant to discuss things and come to a consensus, perhaps they think they do run the EU ???? "I would suggest that Mrs Merkel is trying to take a hard line in public here. In German election year, she has problems with her immigration policy, Greece could well go tits up on her this summer, and of course, she has to explain that Germany will have to take a large financial hit on the £12.7 billion that the EU isn't going to get from the UK any more. | |||
"No it's not made up, but the Wikipedia account has holes in it, and makes it all sound such a simple process....which it wasn't. He was just one of many" It certainly wasn't a vision before WW11 and as for Churchill supporting it...he supported it to some extent for mainland Europe. He actually said of Britain....if the choice was between Europe and the open sea...he would choose the open sea. | |||
"Ms Merkel is trying to call the tune on what will or wont be discussed, I thought the EU had 26 other countries and were meant to discuss things and come to a consensus, perhaps they think they do run the EU ???? "Kinda goes back to what Heseltine said.....maybe the senile old buffer wasn't far wide of the mark? | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter?" All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. " What security decisions do they make?  Jeez talk about scraping the barrel | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel "Normal service resumed then. | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel "That's why I asked you specifically which EU bodies you are referring to. I'll try again. Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel
That's why I asked you specifically which EU bodies you are referring to. I'll try again.
Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? "Duh . The bodies that deal with security | |||
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" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel
That's why I asked you specifically which EU bodies you are referring to. I'll try again.
Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to?
Duh . The bodies that deal with security "You voted to leave the EU and all EU institutions right? | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel
That's why I asked you specifically which EU bodies you are referring to. I'll try again.
Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to?
Duh . The bodies that deal with security
You voted to leave the EU and all EU institutions right? "What does that have to do with anything? Stop changing the subject and diverting things and just admit that the UK will carry on making security decisions with the EU. Why is it so hard for you? | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel
That's why I asked you specifically which EU bodies you are referring to. I'll try again.
Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to?
Duh . The bodies that deal with security
You voted to leave the EU and all EU institutions right?
What does that have to do with anything? Stop changing the subject and diverting things and just admit that the UK will carry on making security decisions with the EU. Why is it so hard for you?"If we leave the institution, we are outside of the decision making process of that institution. | |||
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"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation " And Europol has more US officers than most EU countries | |||
" Does the UK leaving the EU remove any involvement in decision making on security? Leaving the EU will mean leaving all EU bodies will it not? Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to? All of them. Do you think they will make any security decisions without the UK? Or the US even for that matter? All EU bodies? What security decisions are taken by the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, or Community Plant Variety Office, or the European Centre for Development of Vocational Training? I wasnt aware that the US currently was a part of any of those bodies. What security decisions do they make? Jeez talk about scraping the barrel
That's why I asked you specifically which EU bodies you are referring to. I'll try again.
Specifically which security decisions taken in which EU bodies are you referring to?
Duh . The bodies that deal with security
You voted to leave the EU and all EU institutions right?
What does that have to do with anything? Stop changing the subject and diverting things and just admit that the UK will carry on making security decisions with the EU. Why is it so hard for you?
If we leave the institution, we are outside of the decision making process of that institution."On security? Get real | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation " It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway." So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us." Ah, but it's pointless talking to us because we can't make any decisions with them because we are no longer in the EU institutions you see | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said.
So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it.
So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted.
So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP? "Please don't give anyone else some of what you're on, I think it's destroying your brain cells. | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said.
So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it.
So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted.
So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP?
Please don't give anyone else some of what you're on, I think it's destroying your brain cells. "Right, well I dont want any of what you're on if you are spouting off about the Nazis ruling Europe! | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us." Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? " Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then? | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then? "Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process. The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision? | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said.
So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it.
So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted.
So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP?
Please don't give anyone else some of what you're on, I think it's destroying your brain cells.
Right, well I dont want any of what you're on if you are spouting off about the Nazis ruling Europe!"Er but the OP wasn't spouting off about the Nazi's ruling Europe. | |||
"So OP you believe that you knowingly voted for a Nazi take over of Europe, is that what you are saying? Where the Fuck did you make that assumption from? Do you think that the EU is the "fourth Reich"? Surprise surprise. You fail to answer the question and try to deflect away from your incapability to comprehend what is written. Please answer the op's question as we are all eager to know
Good luck with that one.
Well I'm still waiting to hear if the OP believes the EU is the fourth Reich. They say the majority of Brexiters say it is, and none of the brexiters on here have disagreed. So I want to know if the OP is putting themselves in that same category as they are putting people like you in.
Yet again you divert away from the question. So I have two very simple ones for you. Who says the majority of Brexiters say the EU is the Fourth Reich? Where does that quote come from?
Which quote? This one?
"The majority of Brexiters have constantly and consistently criticised the power that Germany holds in the EU, to the point of saying the EU is effectively the 'fourth reich'"
You didn't answer fully. Who is the 'they', where does the quote come from?
It comes from the first post at the top of the thread
So the 'they' is one person's opinion. Hardly a 'they' is it So not even remotely near factual as you tried, and failed, to imply. The one time you actually answer a question and it goes tits up Todsy just gets better.
I asked the OP a question about what the OP wrote, and then you preceded to make yourself look like a silly billy and say that I have difficulties comprehending when you hadn't even read the original post!
Don't back track. I set you up and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You made out the opinion of one person was a general belief of many and possibly factual. You've been caught out. Need some more soap to get that egg off your face?
No back tracking here, it's as clear as day. Its the OP that is saying that the majority of Brexiters hold that view. You can read it up there in the quote. Also as I have pointed out, not one brexiter, yourself included, has said that they don't believe that the EU is the "fourth Reich". All I have asked is if the OP believes that.
I read it as Hestltine said it and the op was quoting but I can't find it on google anywhere yet.
What the Op said was that many Brexiters thought that Germany held too much power 'TO THE POINT OF' being like the fourth reich, not, that many necessarily thought that. You might get 50 people on a day out where many think its a bit chilly, to THE POINT where one thinks its fuckin freezin. That was my take on it anyway
Thank you. 'Point of' and 'effectively' being the operative words in my OP. And note that "fourth reich" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason.
However, the respondent chose to ignore everything else I'd written, and pick up on that one thing, trying to deflect from the actual point of the OP....that point being that even the most ardent of remainers, who remainers hold in the highest esteem, says that Germany has too much power in Europe. Heseltine also said that in brexiting, the UK has handed the victory of the second world war to Germany.
The respondent then asked me if I knowingly voted for a Nazi takeover of Europe. I can't remember an election or referendum where that was on the ballot paper.
But nevertheless, the respondent has nothing constructive to say about Heseltine, and is unable to deny nor defend what Heseltine said.
So You don't believe that it's the fourth Reich, but "majority of brexiters" do (your words). You now want to change it to only a minority believing that the EU is the fourth Reich. You are however, even after clarifying your statement, still saying that some believe it, not that nobody believes it.
So some percentage, big or small , of the people who voted to leave the EU (Brexiters) believe that the EU is a Nazi plan for Germany to control Europe. As you know, voting to leave the EU removes UK involvement in any decision making within the EU, something voters were very clearly aware on when then voted.
So with that in mind, with their beliefs, and knowledge of the consequences, some Brexiters believed that they were voting for a Nazi take over of Europe. That's what you have said in your OP. Is that what you believe, or do you want to take back what you said in your OP?
Please don't give anyone else some of what you're on, I think it's destroying your brain cells.
Right, well I dont want any of what you're on if you are spouting off about the Nazis ruling Europe!
Er but the OP wasn't spouting off about the Nazi's ruling Europe. "No? What do you understand the fourth Reich to be then? | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision? " what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now "Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can "Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can
Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense "But they cooperate, so there will be decision making by the UK, right? That's what you are saying and it's nonsense. You voted to leave the EU, yet still want the UK to be involved in institutions that we are no longer a member of. Well you can't have it both ways. | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can
Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense
But they cooperate, so there will be decision making by the UK, right? That's what you are saying and it's nonsense.
You voted to leave the EU, yet still want the UK to be involved in institutions that we are no longer a member of. Well you can't have it both ways. "How can you have co-operation without both sides making decisions? Read your last paragraph and please understand how childish you're starting to sound | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can
Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense
But they cooperate, so there will be decision making by the UK, right? That's what you are saying and it's nonsense.
You voted to leave the EU, yet still want the UK to be involved in institutions that we are no longer a member of. Well you can't have it both ways.
How can you have co-operation without both sides making decisions?
Read your last paragraph and please understand how childish you're starting to sound"It's not childish. You can be a member of the EU, be involved in their institutions and involved in decision making process, the power of veto over new treaties, over new members etc etc etc. Or, you can be outside of the EU, outside of their institutions, outside of their decision making processes, have no veto over new treaties, have no vetos over new members etc etc etc. Which do you want? | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can
Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense
But they cooperate, so there will be decision making by the UK, right? That's what you are saying and it's nonsense.
You voted to leave the EU, yet still want the UK to be involved in institutions that we are no longer a member of. Well you can't have it both ways.
How can you have co-operation without both sides making decisions?
Read your last paragraph and please understand how childish you're starting to sound
It's not childish. You can be a member of the EU, be involved in their institutions and involved in decision making process, the power of veto over new treaties, over new members etc etc etc. Or, you can be outside of the EU, outside of their institutions, outside of their decision making processes, have no veto over new treaties, have no vetos over new members etc etc etc.
Which do you want? "OUT!!! But what does that have to do with not having any involvement in security making decisions? Neither side can get away from that!! | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can
Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense
But they cooperate, so there will be decision making by the UK, right? That's what you are saying and it's nonsense.
You voted to leave the EU, yet still want the UK to be involved in institutions that we are no longer a member of. Well you can't have it both ways.
How can you have co-operation without both sides making decisions?
Read your last paragraph and please understand how childish you're starting to sound
It's not childish. You can be a member of the EU, be involved in their institutions and involved in decision making process, the power of veto over new treaties, over new members etc etc etc. Or, you can be outside of the EU, outside of their institutions, outside of their decision making processes, have no veto over new treaties, have no vetos over new members etc etc etc.
Which do you want?
OUT!!!
But what does that have to do with not having any involvement in security making decisions? Neither side can get away from that!!"Right, so if you're out, you're out. You don't get to make decisions on what EU institutions do. | |||
"I thought Interpol was a world wide organisation It is and has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU anyway. So we continue to be members of Interpol, NATO, and the Five Eyes. We have GCHQ and a highly professional intelligence and crime fighting network. I don't think we have to worry about the UK security issue. But if the EU want to draw on all this, come and talk to us. Exactly, there will still be co-operation. However Amber Rudd says that their won't be as much co-operation after we leave Europol which I think is a shame. But this is what Brexiters wanted, right? Co-operation? So you mean there will be some decision making made by the UK involving an EU institution then?
Nope, you voted to leave remember? We won't be a member of that institution anymore so we are not part of their decision making process.
The UK MoD cooperates with the US DoD. If the US DoD decided to close down a military base, would the MoD be involved in that decision?
what, no decisions? I think you're down to your last brain cell now
Ok, so name one US base that the UK has either saved or closed against the wishes of the US then, if you can
Stop deflecting. Did the Uk make a decision whether they could open them in the first place? You get worse with your grasping at straws nonsense
But they cooperate, so there will be decision making by the UK, right? That's what you are saying and it's nonsense.
You voted to leave the EU, yet still want the UK to be involved in institutions that we are no longer a member of. Well you can't have it both ways.
How can you have co-operation without both sides making decisions?
Read your last paragraph and please understand how childish you're starting to sound
It's not childish. You can be a member of the EU, be involved in their institutions and involved in decision making process, the power of veto over new treaties, over new members etc etc etc. Or, you can be outside of the EU, outside of their institutions, outside of their decision making processes, have no veto over new treaties, have no vetos over new members etc etc etc.
Which do you want?
OUT!!!
But what does that have to do with not having any involvement in security making decisions? Neither side can get away from that!!
Right, so if you're out, you're out. You don't get to make decisions on what EU institutions do. "EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh | |||
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" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh" No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties." Why would the UK give a fuck about that if it only affects member states? Crack on | |||
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" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties." We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision." Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! " Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! " Probably because you are so obsessed with Brexit baiting that you can't see the wood for the trees. | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of" Cooperating is different from the UK having a say in EU decision, say EUROPOL wants to build a new office, the UK is not going to have any say on where that office gets built. That is an EU institution, making a decision. You have been argued for hours that the UK will be able to have a say in a decision like that, and it's complete and utter bollocks. | |||
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" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of Cooperating is different from the UK having a say in EU decision, say EUROPOL wants to build a new office, the UK is not going to have any say on where that office gets built. That is an EU institution, making a decision. You have been argued for hours that the UK will be able to have a say in a decision like that, and it's complete and utter bollocks." If Europol want to build a new office that's up to them it has nothing to do with us sharing security info as will still go on because it makes sence for all countries | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of Cooperating is different from the UK having a say in EU decision, say EUROPOL wants to build a new office, the UK is not going to have any say on where that office gets built. That is an EU institution, making a decision. You have been argued for hours that the UK will be able to have a say in a decision like that, and it's complete and utter bollocks." And if GCHQ wants to move from Cheltenham to the outer bloody Hebrides the EU will have no say in that either. Does it really matter? When it comes to the security services the EU (as in its members) rely heavily on MI5/6 (including its much closer links to the CIA) and GCHQ. Most of the European ones are bloody useless, as the French, Belgians and Germans have shown us time and time again. If they want to chuck a lump of their taxpayers cash (they are good at that BTW) at a new shiny office, who gives a fuck? They know damn well that they need the British security services and any level headed security chief knows it. If the EU want to play silly buggers on the security issue they know damn well that they will be the losers. To be honest looking at their track record on decision making Britain is better off well out of it. | |||
"Only another 57 posts to go before thread gets too big. "Don't get too excited. We could always get part two. | |||
"Only another 57 posts to go before thread gets too big.
Don't get too excited. We could always get part two. "Then I would be inclined to post one letter posts to fill it up quick. | |||
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" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of Cooperating is different from the UK having a say in EU decision, say EUROPOL wants to build a new office, the UK is not going to have any say on where that office gets built. That is an EU institution, making a decision. You have been argued for hours that the UK will be able to have a say in a decision like that, and it's complete and utter bollocks. And if GCHQ wants to move from Cheltenham to the outer bloody Hebrides the EU will have no say in that either. Does it really matter? When it comes to the security services the EU (as in its members) rely heavily on MI5/6 (including its much closer links to the CIA) and GCHQ. Most of the European ones are bloody useless, as the French, Belgians and Germans have shown us time and time again. If they want to chuck a lump of their taxpayers cash (they are good at that BTW) at a new shiny office, who gives a fuck? They know damn well that they need the British security services and any level headed security chief knows it. If the EU want to play silly buggers on the security issue they know damn well that they will be the losers. To be honest looking at their track record on decision making Britain is better off well out of it. " GCHQ is a national asset and agency, not an EU institution, so it has never been anything to do with the EU. | |||
" If Europol want to build a new office that's up to them it has nothing to do with us sharing security info as will still go on because it makes sence for all countries " Well at the moment we would be involved in a decision about where they would build that office, but once we leave, we wont. | |||
"Only another 57 posts to go before thread gets too big. "You could always help out and tell CandM that it's bullshit will be able to make decisions on EU institutions after we leave | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties." EU - can you send us one of our citizens who is resident in your country....we want to detain him on mental health grounds. UK - Fuck off, he's living in our country,your laws are no longer supreme over ours, and you've got Fuck all to do with any of our laws any more. | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. EU - can you send us one of our citizens who is resident in your country....we want to detain him on mental health grounds. UK - Fuck off, he's living in our country,your laws are no longer supreme over ours, and you've got Fuck all to do with any of our laws any more." So if you accept that once we leave the EU that the EU will have no jurisdiction over UK citizens, why do you believe that the UK will have jurisdiction over EU citizens after we leave?  | |||
"Whatever happens we will still work with Europol but maybe not on such a deep level that we do now though and yes we won't probably be in as much of the decision process like we are now, depends on how the negotiations go. I think the UK is the biggest information contributor to Europol and that's why May is sounding like she's trying to use that as a bargaining chip in trade negotiations. " I think they will work just as well together because it's in everyone's interest too | |||
"Whatever happens we will still work with Europol but maybe not on such a deep level that we do now though and yes we won't probably be in as much of the decision process like we are now, depends on how the negotiations go. I think the UK is the biggest information contributor to Europol and that's why May is sounding like she's trying to use that as a bargaining chip in trade negotiations. I think they will work just as well together because it's in everyone's interest too " The voice of reason | |||
"Quite frankly I don't give a fuck whose idea it was. Hitler? Some obscure Italian communist? A Belgian socialist called Spaak? or a former deputy director of the failed league of nations. Bottom line is that while it started with good intentions the whole Euro super state has been a disaster, just ask your average Greek. Remember, the road to ruin is littered with good intentions." Not that you're interested, but for those that are, Winston Churchill was actually one of the first to come up with the idea of a United States of Europe. | |||
"Quite frankly I don't give a fuck whose idea it was. Hitler? Some obscure Italian communist? A Belgian socialist called Spaak? or a former deputy director of the failed league of nations. Bottom line is that while it started with good intentions the whole Euro super state has been a disaster, just ask your average Greek. Remember, the road to ruin is littered with good intentions. Not that you're interested, but for those that are, Winston Churchill was actually one of the first to come up with the idea of a United States of Europe." This has been done before....no he wasn't. | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. EU - can you send us one of our citizens who is resident in your country....we want to detain him on mental health grounds. UK - Fuck off, he's living in our country,your laws are no longer supreme over ours, and you've got Fuck all to do with any of our laws any more. So if you accept that once we leave the EU that the EU will have no jurisdiction over UK citizens, why do you believe that the UK will have jurisdiction over EU citizens after we leave? "You mean EU citizens living in the UK? | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. EU - can you send us one of our citizens who is resident in your country....we want to detain him on mental health grounds. UK - Fuck off, he's living in our country,your laws are no longer supreme over ours, and you've got Fuck all to do with any of our laws any more. So if you accept that once we leave the EU that the EU will have no jurisdiction over UK citizens, why do you believe that the UK will have jurisdiction over EU citizens after we leave?
You mean EU citizens living in the UK?"No, I mean EU citizens living in EU member states. Why would EU institutions still allow the UK to be involved in decision making that will only effect EU citizens? Or do you agree with me that CandM are talking bollocks and that the UK will lose all decision making powers in EU institutions after we leave? | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. EU - can you send us one of our citizens who is resident in your country....we want to detain him on mental health grounds. UK - Fuck off, he's living in our country,your laws are no longer supreme over ours, and you've got Fuck all to do with any of our laws any more. So if you accept that once we leave the EU that the EU will have no jurisdiction over UK citizens, why do you believe that the UK will have jurisdiction over EU citizens after we leave?
You mean EU citizens living in the UK?
No, I mean EU citizens living in EU member states. Why would EU institutions still allow the UK to be involved in decision making that will only effect EU citizens?
Or do you agree with me that CandM are talking bollocks and that the UK will lose all decision making powers in EU institutions after we leave? "Here we go again . The UK will not lose all decision making powers in EU institutions when it comes to security will it? If we decide to allow the EU to do something, who has made that decision and given them the power? | |||
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" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. EU - can you send us one of our citizens who is resident in your country....we want to detain him on mental health grounds. UK - Fuck off, he's living in our country,your laws are no longer supreme over ours, and you've got Fuck all to do with any of our laws any more. So if you accept that once we leave the EU that the EU will have no jurisdiction over UK citizens, why do you believe that the UK will have jurisdiction over EU citizens after we leave?
You mean EU citizens living in the UK?
No, I mean EU citizens living in EU member states. Why would EU institutions still allow the UK to be involved in decision making that will only effect EU citizens?
Or do you agree with me that CandM are talking bollocks and that the UK will lose all decision making powers in EU institutions after we leave?
Here we go again . The UK will not lose all decision making powers in EU institutions when it comes to security will it? If we decide to allow the EU to do something, who has made that decision and given them the power?""When we allow the EU to do something"? | |||
"My opinion is if we end up pulling out of Europol then i dare say we will have virtually zero influence on anything Europol related, which stands to reason I think. Us leaving Europol would diminish our intelligence capacity to some degree obviously but not half as much as it would do to the EU as a whole. We are by far the biggest contributor to Europol, our intelligence network is far more advanced and far more reaching than anything the EU states have to contribute. This alone could be a major player in the Brexit negotiations because if we have to leave Europol then all our intelligence goes with us and the EU know this and it isn't something they can easily replace once it's gone." Good point well made | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of Cooperating is different from the UK having a say in EU decision, say EUROPOL wants to build a new office, the UK is not going to have any say on where that office gets built. That is an EU institution, making a decision. You have been argued for hours that the UK will be able to have a say in a decision like that, and it's complete and utter bollocks. And if GCHQ wants to move from Cheltenham to the outer bloody Hebrides the EU will have no say in that either. Does it really matter? When it comes to the security services the EU (as in its members) rely heavily on MI5/6 (including its much closer links to the CIA) and GCHQ. Most of the European ones are bloody useless, as the French, Belgians and Germans have shown us time and time again. If they want to chuck a lump of their taxpayers cash (they are good at that BTW) at a new shiny office, who gives a fuck? They know damn well that they need the British security services and any level headed security chief knows it. If the EU want to play silly buggers on the security issue they know damn well that they will be the losers. To be honest looking at their track record on decision making Britain is better off well out of it. GCHQ is a national asset and agency, not an EU institution, so it has never been anything to do with the EU. " Did I say it was? It may not be an EU institution but the whole bloody lot of them rely heavily on its expertise. Yes it will remain a national asset. BRITAIN'S. | |||
" EU institution - we want to arrest everyone in Cambridge on mental health grounds to keep Europe safe. Can we? UK - no EU - oh No EU agency has that power, yet again your ignorance of the institution you are so firmly opposed to is showing. But let's try this little example for you. EU - Here is the new treaty of Frankfurt, it has been agreed to, signed and ratified by all member states that the EU now has the power to detain citizens of members states on mental health grounds. UK - Nah, that's a shit idea, we dont agree to that. EU - Fuck off, you're not a member, you voluntarily gave up your veto over EU treaties. We would show the same interest as we show to laws and treaties being passed in Brazil and China....it won't concern us anymore. But at least that will be our decision. Exactly, EU institutions make decisions for EU members, once the UK leaves the EU, we wont be a member. So why CandM think that the EU is going to let the UK make decisions for EU members after we leave I cannot comprehend! Because security matters will affect EU members, the UK, the whole of Europe and the world, so decisions will be made together. End of Cooperating is different from the UK having a say in EU decision, say EUROPOL wants to build a new office, the UK is not going to have any say on where that office gets built. That is an EU institution, making a decision. You have been argued for hours that the UK will be able to have a say in a decision like that, and it's complete and utter bollocks. And if GCHQ wants to move from Cheltenham to the outer bloody Hebrides the EU will have no say in that either. Does it really matter? When it comes to the security services the EU (as in its members) rely heavily on MI5/6 (including its much closer links to the CIA) and GCHQ. Most of the European ones are bloody useless, as the French, Belgians and Germans have shown us time and time again. If they want to chuck a lump of their taxpayers cash (they are good at that BTW) at a new shiny office, who gives a fuck? They know damn well that they need the British security services and any level headed security chief knows it. If the EU want to play silly buggers on the security issue they know damn well that they will be the losers. To be honest looking at their track record on decision making Britain is better off well out of it. GCHQ is a national asset and agency, not an EU institution, so it has never been anything to do with the EU. Did I say it was? It may not be an EU institution but the whole bloody lot of them rely heavily on its expertise. Yes it will remain a national asset. BRITAIN'S." No you didn't say it was, but you compared moving a EUROPOL office to moving GCHQ. The UK (until we leave) and the EU would make the decision on the former, but not the latter. | |||
"EU was build on hitlers blue prints that germany would be a super power and yes, it is. That is total bollocks. -MattNo, it aint, he created the basic plan of it. No he didn't. -MattWe have to agree to disagree on that one. Fair enough. I guess I missed the part in which Germany's military went about conquering countries to form the Federation of Europe. I was under the impression they all joined the EU voluntarily. -Matt" The eu was funded by nazi gold in the early stages and walter hallstein was the first leader of eu and had a shady background linked to hitler. | |||
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