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"Particularly with regards to political parties Remember once Independence is achieved Scotland can vote in any party they wish, that is provided that the likes of Scottish Tories still hang around to be voted in, or if they pack their bags and return to Westminster. Would The Conservative Party still remain in Scotland? . Scottish Labour; their ties would be cut from Westminster and they would have to consider Scotland first, could they actually manage to do this? Lib Dems, this party would definitely remain, they would go anywhere possible for a vote of any type. Politics in Scotland would change an Independent Scotland does not mean a SNP Scotland . what do you think the direction of other parties would take when their ties to Westminster are severed. ??" The Scottish Tories are actually 'The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party' and although part of the 'Conservative Party' are able to operate with a high degree of autonomy. In the event of an independent Scotland, I have little doubt that the existing mainstream parties would continue. What would be more interesting would be what happens to the SNP. Would they become an irrelevance having achieved their aim? A bit like UKIP has become now that Brexit is underway. | |||
"What about Scottish UKIP? "There is no Scottish UKIP nor will there ever be at least as far as politics in Scotland is concerned. 1 MEP who managed to scrape in as a result of PR. Not a brilliant showing. | |||
"There will be no need for a Conservative party in an independent Scotland. All the wealthy and high tax payers will have left, as they will certainly not like having to pay a punitive tax rate. " You dont know that. As has been seen from the example of Norway - higher taxes seems to make for happier people. Whereas the race to the bottom appears to encourage a blame culture, division and much angst. There is nothing wrong with having a social conscience and living in a country that looks after its citizens well. You just have to be intelligent enough to realise that it has to be paid for and to vote in politicians that are intelligent enough to be good custodians of the trust that you put in them. | |||
"There will be no need for a Conservative party in an independent Scotland. All the wealthy and high tax payers will have left, as they will certainly not like having to pay a punitive tax rate. You dont know that. As has been seen from the example of Norway - higher taxes seems to make for happier people. Whereas the race to the bottom appears to encourage a blame culture, division and much angst. There is nothing wrong with having a social conscience and living in a country that looks after its citizens well. You just have to be intelligent enough to realise that it has to be paid for and to vote in politicians that are intelligent enough to be good custodians of the trust that you put in them." True but they will look over the wall and see our 40% tax rate compared to what in Scotland...50%, 60%? Of course, they may well say "sod it" and go elsewhere. | |||
"There will be no need for a Conservative party in an independent Scotland. All the wealthy and high tax payers will have left, as they will certainly not like having to pay a punitive tax rate. You dont know that. As has been seen from the example of Norway - higher taxes seems to make for happier people. Whereas the race to the bottom appears to encourage a blame culture, division and much angst. There is nothing wrong with having a social conscience and living in a country that looks after its citizens well. You just have to be intelligent enough to realise that it has to be paid for and to vote in politicians that are intelligent enough to be good custodians of the trust that you put in them. True but they will look over the wall and see our 40% tax rate compared to what in Scotland...50%, 60%? Of course, they may well say "sod it" and go elsewhere. " Why dont the Norweigans, Swedes, Danes and Icelandic folk say sod it and move elsewhere? | |||
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"All based on the assumption that we'll vote for it of course. " Well, it is a hypothetical discussion. I, for one, don't believe that a 10% difference on the higher rate tax would make a huge difference otherwise everyone who earns over say £100 million would already be tax exiles. Sir Alan Sugar paid £58 million in tax on his £181 million dividend last year and said in a recent interview that he wouldn't dream of living elsewhere. I suspect quite a lot of higher rate tax payers feel the same way. | |||
"There will be no need for a Conservative party in an independent Scotland. All the wealthy and high tax payers will have left, as they will certainly not like having to pay a punitive tax rate. You dont know that. As has been seen from the example of Norway - higher taxes seems to make for happier people. Whereas the race to the bottom appears to encourage a blame culture, division and much angst. There is nothing wrong with having a social conscience and living in a country that looks after its citizens well. You just have to be intelligent enough to realise that it has to be paid for and to vote in politicians that are intelligent enough to be good custodians of the trust that you put in them. True but they will look over the wall and see our 40% tax rate compared to what in Scotland...50%, 60%? Of course, they may well say "sod it" and go elsewhere. Why dont the Norweigans, Swedes, Danes and Icelandic folk say sod it and move elsewhere? " Perhaps they get back more for their contribution? Any scanandavian experts know? | |||
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"Hmmmm what would Scotland do for defence especially as it would appear most Russian air incursions take place over Scotland It is my understanding they are her majesty queen Elizabeth the second armed forces. I see no queen Nicola.Scotland's budget may just stretch to single tornado aircraft" I think you'll find Scotland has paid it's fair share in both terms of budget and lives lost. To suggest that all Scotland would be entitled to is one Tornado is disrespectful to the many Scots that laid down their lives in the defence of the UK. | |||
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"No its not being disrespectful to any of those of who have served or fallen in the service of their country .However if you want independence how are you going to fund your defence as your budget is limited and by the way your leader is talking you don't want anything more to do with the rest of the union. " There have been a number of other posts about Scotland having to accept part of the national debt in the event of independence. By the same token, Scotland would be entitled to it's share of the armed forces. Or does it not work like that in your mind? | |||
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"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel" An independent Scotland will be nuclear weapon free! | |||
"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel An independent Scotland will be nuclear weapon free!" and no longer a target.  Which part of uk will get the subs probably far far away from london and the home counties. | |||
"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel" We don't actually want nuclear weapons so you're welcome to them. Ireland relies on other nations for their defence, do they? Don't think the Irish would be happy with that opinion. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel An independent Scotland will be nuclear weapon free!and no longer a target. Which part of uk will get the subs probably far far away from london and the home counties."My guess is the subs will have to share US bases until we get our own. | |||
"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel An independent Scotland will be nuclear weapon free!and no longer a target. Which part of uk will get the subs probably far far away from london and the home counties.
My guess is the subs will have to share US bases until we get our own."yeah most likley the war heads are owned by the Americans and they must give permission to launch them before we can. | |||
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"There will be no need for a Conservative party in an independent Scotland. All the wealthy and high tax payers will have left, as they will certainly not like having to pay a punitive tax rate. You dont know that. As has been seen from the example of Norway - higher taxes seems to make for happier people. Whereas the race to the bottom appears to encourage a blame culture, division and much angst. There is nothing wrong with having a social conscience and living in a country that looks after its citizens well. You just have to be intelligent enough to realise that it has to be paid for and to vote in politicians that are intelligent enough to be good custodians of the trust that you put in them. True but they will look over the wall and see our 40% tax rate compared to what in Scotland...50%, 60%? Of course, they may well say "sod it" and go elsewhere. Why dont the Norweigans, Swedes, Danes and Icelandic folk say sod it and move elsewhere? " . Norway is slightly different case as its oil rich, it never sold its oil rights to oil companies and from that theyve built up one of if not the worlds largest state fund. Thats why them and Switzerland have never joined the EU, it just wouldnt work for them as they both need to run their economies specifically for their uniqueness. Sweden is different, there in economic trouble like all the rest of us, the Swedish rich disappear abroad pretty quickly despite quite stringent rules on tax avoidance never mind evasion. The Scandinavian happiness one is very hard to pinpoint on why, its a collection of things and not one thing in particular | |||
Will England be better or worse off when Scotland gains independence.
(I wonder if anyone will have the guts to admit - worse off)
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"Glad to read that no one has brought up the subject of "West Coast" oil reserves
Will England be better or worse off when Scotland gains independence.
(I wonder if anyone will have the guts to admit - worse off)
please feel free to continue.". I dont know anything about them, could you fill us in? | |||
"But nicola does not want any nuclear deterrent in Scotland so the US will pull their bases as will the royal navy.Barrow could service them and the weapons.hence more job losses.also a sub is no good being in port its deterrent is being hidden in the ocean.as for air incursions we don't get many bear bombers trying to fly in to English airspace.I know as I was a phantom pilot based in luechars" Barrow could do with extra jobs its a deprived area.Not good for the jobs in Scotland but i think trident is a cold war weapon which has had its time. | |||
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"trident may have had its time in regard to being a modern weapon but I still would not like to be on the end of its bucket of sunshine where ever it is directed to.as for NATO spending the UK is a big spender compared to other European countries.that's why I query Scotland's ability to raise funds to maintain its independence.it's no use saying we are neutral Belgium said it twice in the past 100years look where it got them" Neutrality isnt so bad you dont need to waste money on standing armies and updating your weapons every 20 years.Scotland could manage its air space and waters with drones. | |||
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"tickybit you are aware reserves were drilled & capped in 1974, it was BP that carried this out on west coast of Scotland. these wells are still capped today and cannot be used due to submarine activity on west coast. Don't tell me you are unaware of this, " . Yes i didnt quote your long bit too save space but i did read it! As already said theres a lot of ifs and maybes but no actual theres definitely oil there?. I mean i remember David Cameron saying theres enough oil and gas in English fracking to be the new Saudi Arabia but where is it?. The other problem i foresee is this 100 year bit! Arent we supposed to be off oil in the next 25 or face disaster?, how much would Scotland have to spend get it out of the ground? , When is that likely to happen? , Do they actually own the field?, and when is it likely that youll have no market for it ie100 years seems bollocks to me?. Those are the questions i think would have to be investigated more before id put in on that evidence | |||
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"I voted brexit and I'm happy if the Scottish people want to leave the UK. But then you can sort out your own issues out and who is going to pay for the boarders as we don't want free movement of people entering the UK once Scotland is with the EU. As I was watching Scottish Parliament why wasn't the snp ashamed they didn't help with education and other things in Scotland but is only push for a second referendum? " If you dont want people crossing the border then you need to create and man that border. If the Sots dont feel the need for a hard border, why would they create one? Is this one of the Trumpesque moments where the might English tell the Scots that they are going to build a border (wall?) and pay for it. | |||
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"Where did you copy and paste that from? I still await your thoughts on the letter from V Reading. "something else to ponder on; Total turns on gas from west of Shetland vast Laggan and Tormore fields And ofcourse Clair ridge Loyal, Solan, Clair Lancaster Foinaven Schiehallion Rosebank | |||
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"Particularly with regards to political parties Remember once Independence is achieved Scotland can vote in any party they wish, that is provided that the likes of Scottish Tories still hang around to be voted in, or if they pack their bags and return to Westminster. Would The Conservative Party still remain in Scotland? . Scottish Labour; their ties would be cut from Westminster and they would have to consider Scotland first, could they actually manage to do this? Lib Dems, this party would definitely remain, they would go anywhere possible for a vote of any type. Politics in Scotland would change an Independent Scotland does not mean a SNP Scotland . what do you think the direction of other parties would take when their ties to Westminster are severed. ?? The Scottish Tories are actually 'The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party' and although part of the 'Conservative Party' are able to operate with a high degree of autonomy. In the event of an independent Scotland, I have little doubt that the existing mainstream parties would continue. What would be more interesting would be what happens to the SNP. Would they become an irrelevance having achieved their aim? A bit like UKIP has become now that Brexit is underway." I believe the Tories would break up, Ruth Davidson would be poached and taken down south, much as I dislike her, many Westminster Tories are impressed with her, I think her career will go much further, down south waydown south Westminster land. Labour; they are in serious trouble, thought they would have learned their lesson after Jim Murphy but no, they go worse and put Kazia Dugdale in charge | |||
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This sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory to be honest and i certainly wouldnt bet the future of my country on that small amount of evidence. | |||
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"As Scotland (supposedly) is in the EU and the UK is not, the border becomes one not between just England and Scotland but also the EU and a non EU country. This means it is a EU Frontier Border and must be an active border with the usual checks. That is EU policy as it stands. " This must be the same checkpoint they say they're not going to reinstate in Ireland | |||
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"An independent Scotland is committed to joining the NATO nuclear alliance, in doing so it is required to spend 2% of GDP on defence. Currently the UK spends between 1.98% and 2.21% depending on sources. If they are serious about NATO membership would it pay its share?" If Scotland became Independent country would they then not need to Apply to become a member state in NATO? As with being a member of the EU it's not a clear cut thing and, if successful in any NATO application, there might be a clause to the effect of Scotland would be expected to facilitate the nuclear deterrent in its waters etc . . . what then for Scotland? Would she submit to such an undertaking or turn her back on NATO? | |||
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"Pop quiz how many countries in NATO do NOT have nuclear weapons ? " All but two | |||
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"How many shelter under the nuclear alliance? All of them. As the Warsaw Summit Communique reiterated "As long as nuclear weapons exist, NATO will remain a nuclear alliance." We have an independent Scotland intent in joining the nuclear alliance yet they are against nuclear weapons!" You mean the snp & greens are that is not the "whole" of Scotland, and there will be give & take | |||
" As with being a member of the EU it's not a clear cut thing and, if successful in any NATO application, there might be a clause to the effect of Scotland would be expected to facilitate the nuclear deterrent in its waters etc . . . what then for Scotland? Would she submit to such an undertaking or turn her back on NATO?" Having read the criteria for which members to join nato i didnt read that anywhere ..or is that just something made up for scotland  | |||
"And by the time Scotland gets Independence, the tornados will be long gone! Typhoons and the new Lightning will be the strike force, along with drones but I would imagine that Scotland would benefit from surveillance aircraft to assist in SAR operations and some warships for customs and fisheries protection. Their land forces need no introduction; some of the best fighting forces to have operated with the British Army. Maybe The Black Watch and The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders will rise again!" NO/SP  | |||
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"What about Scottish UKIP?
There is no Scottish UKIP nor will there ever be at least as far as politics in Scotland is concerned.
1 MEP who managed to scrape in as a result of PR. Not a brilliant showing."Also, if Scotland votes to leave the UK, UKIP will not be relevant to an independent Scotland | |||
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"Yes "suggest", that's what polls do, they take carefully selected samples and project it to the general population. The vote was for the UK,s membership of the EU, not Scotlands. It was not a vote for Scottish independence nor was it a vote for another divisive referendum. We voted to stay in the UK and the UK decided to leave the EU. We may not like the result but as democrats we should accept it. There is no credible alternative. " Yes again i know this was a UK vote on the EU And no matter how much people want to hide it it cant be done 62% of Scotland voted to remain Now since the UK government dont want to have the devolved governments to play a part in talks as the Surpreme court may have said its the UK that will deal with the EU it in no way said the UK government cant bring in the devolved governments to to hear there side the Tories think the speak for the whole of the UK yet 1 Tory mp in Scotland thinks he can overrule an elected party in government that goes against democracy and it edges alot closer to Tory dictatorship in Scotland when they have no mandate in Scotland. Where is any legal document from 2014 to say 100% the UK government wont ever get rid of Holyrood ? There word is no good as we all know the Tories are a bunch of lying bastards all i have to say is child tax credits to know how much they do lie. The only way i will accept brexit if the Uk government respect Scotland remain vote or give the people of Scotland a vote on the final feal and just before the UK leaves Scotland gets to decide on if we agree on brexit or prefer independence No one can surely say people are not allowed to change their minds there is people in Scotland that voted no on the promise the EU would be safe in the UK and now its now they do have the right to change their minds. | |||
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"To be my usual pedantic self, it was actually 62% of the Scottish people that voted. That's not the same as 62% of Scotland." Ok let me try again out of everyone that voted 62% majority voted to remain I could twist that and then say Scotland didnt vote to stay in the UK only 55% of voters did again it swings both ways with this lol | |||
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"The notion that we are all outraged at being "Dragged" out of the EU is not working as a tactic.....The apathy from fellow workers and friends is well...not that bothered to be honest....I voted remain..still believe it was the way to vote..But that is democracy for you i lost 52% to 48%...and in 2014 it was an even greater margin..so let us face the future united not split apart . "Yeah the problem is you speak for you and i speak for me but none of us can speak for others. Now there will be no voters out and n 2014 the promise was to vote no and the EU would be safe in the UK people are allowed to change their minds if want to and why deny anyone a vote if they have changed their minds on independence ? Do pro union people accept the SNP were elected on their 2015 and 2016 manifesto's and do have a mandate to seek a independence referendum if the UK government will not respect the Scottish vote If they were to respect it then all talk of independence goes away. In 2 and a half years its the pro union side that have not delivered on their side of the promises that has brought back the Independence debate/ If the respect Scotland vote to remain in the EU and single market and deliver on Home rule hey i dont mind being in the UK even though i believe every country should be independent i just wish the pro union side would deliver on their promise to Scotland and not to keep Shafting Scotland. or else independence will never ever go away and you cant stop people believing in self govern | |||
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"why not a federal system for the whole of the UK?" problem is what that Labour in Scotland have been going on and on and on about giving Scotland Home Rule for over a 100 years and still waiting for that. Also in 2014 the no side said devo max will be promised to Scotland and then in the Scotland bill Labour offered the least amount of powers now they are pulling out the big guns again with Gordon Brown trying to shaft Scotland again with more powers talks nah had enough of the bullshit And even that would England want it ? Which regions would get more powers over others ? Same with Wales and N.Ireland | |||
"why not a federal system for the whole of the UK? problem is what that Labour in Scotland have been going on and on and on about giving Scotland Home Rule for over a 100 years and still waiting for that. Also in 2014 the no side said devo max will be promised to Scotland and then in the Scotland bill Labour offered the least amount of powers now they are pulling out the big guns again with Gordon Brown trying to shaft Scotland again with more powers talks nah had enough of the bullshit And even that would England want it ? Which regions would get more powers over others ? Same with Wales and N.Ireland " In a federal system, you decide what powers the federal government gets, let's say foreign policy, defence, international trade etc. And then the states get everything else thats not the responsibility of the federal government. So England, Wales, NI and Scotland would be absolutely equal. | |||
"why not a federal system for the whole of the UK? problem is what that Labour in Scotland have been going on and on and on about giving Scotland Home Rule for over a 100 years and still waiting for that. Also in 2014 the no side said devo max will be promised to Scotland and then in the Scotland bill Labour offered the least amount of powers now they are pulling out the big guns again with Gordon Brown trying to shaft Scotland again with more powers talks nah had enough of the bullshit And even that would England want it ? Which regions would get more powers over others ? Same with Wales and N.Ireland In a federal system, you decide what powers the federal government gets, let's say foreign policy, defence, international trade etc. And then the states get everything else thats not the responsibility of the federal government. So England, Wales, NI and Scotland would be absolutely equal." Like i said Scotland has been down that road before many times with Labour promising Home Rule and still Scotland doesnt have Home rule and they have a cheek to bring Gordon Brown out again to seel Scotland another lie about more powers and once again he has no power to deliver what he is saying. So Scotland will say no thanks this will be a straight out decide UK or independence for Scotland unless the PM does u-turn and respect Scotland's vote | |||
"why not a federal system for the whole of the UK? problem is what that Labour in Scotland have been going on and on and on about giving Scotland Home Rule for over a 100 years and still waiting for that. Also in 2014 the no side said devo max will be promised to Scotland and then in the Scotland bill Labour offered the least amount of powers now they are pulling out the big guns again with Gordon Brown trying to shaft Scotland again with more powers talks nah had enough of the bullshit And even that would England want it ? Which regions would get more powers over others ? Same with Wales and N.Ireland In a federal system, you decide what powers the federal government gets, let's say foreign policy, defence, international trade etc. And then the states get everything else thats not the responsibility of the federal government. So England, Wales, NI and Scotland would be absolutely equal. Like i said Scotland has been down that road before many times with Labour promising Home Rule and still Scotland doesnt have Home rule and they have a cheek to bring Gordon Brown out again to seel Scotland another lie about more powers and once again he has no power to deliver what he is saying. So Scotland will say no thanks this will be a straight out decide UK or independence for Scotland unless the PM does u-turn and respect Scotland's vote" Well let's be honest, it hasn't, there has never been a referendum on the UK adopting a federal system. | |||
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"The notion that we are all outraged at being "Dragged" out of the EU is not working as a tactic.....The apathy from fellow workers and friends is well...not that bothered to be honest....I voted remain..still believe it was the way to vote..But that is democracy for you i lost 52% to 48%...and in 2014 it was an even greater margin..so let us face the future united not split apart . "There was an SNP guy on the BBC This Week programme with Andrew Neil just over an hour ago and when Andrew Neil confronted him with 2 of the latest polls in Scotland the SNP guy had no answer. The 2 polls Andrew Neil referred to as follows.... Around 60% of Scots now want the same Brexit deal as the rest of the UK. Around 60% of Scots think EU migrants should be treated the same as non EU migrants (in other words no special preferential treatment for EU migrants which they have been getting while we're in the EU and all migrants should be treated on an equal footing which Is a key feature of Brexit). | |||
"The notion that we are all outraged at being "Dragged" out of the EU is not working as a tactic.....The apathy from fellow workers and friends is well...not that bothered to be honest....I voted remain..still believe it was the way to vote..But that is democracy for you i lost 52% to 48%...and in 2014 it was an even greater margin..so let us face the future united not split apart .
There was an SNP guy on the BBC This Week programme with Andrew Neil just over an hour ago and when Andrew Neil confronted him with 2 of the latest polls in Scotland the SNP guy had no answer.
The 2 polls Andrew Neil referred to as follows....
Around 60% of Scots now want the same Brexit deal as the rest of the UK.
Around 60% of Scots think EU migrants should be treated the same as non EU migrants (in other words no special preferential treatment for EU migrants which they have been getting while we're in the EU and all migrants should be treated on an equal footing which Is a key feature of Brexit)."Which just shows what hypocrites the Scottish Greens are! Let's hope they don't have their version of "Lib-Dem 2015". | |||
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"There will be no need for a Conservative party in an independent Scotland. All the wealthy and high tax payers will have left, as they will certainly not like having to pay a punitive tax rate. You dont know that. As has been seen from the example of Norway - higher taxes seems to make for happier people. Whereas the race to the bottom appears to encourage a blame culture, division and much angst. There is nothing wrong with having a social conscience and living in a country that looks after its citizens well. You just have to be intelligent enough to realise that it has to be paid for and to vote in politicians that are intelligent enough to be good custodians of the trust that you put in them." I am paying the green / snp higher rate tax and so are some of my friends Happy I am fucking livid 
Clearly these morons have not heard of fiscal drag.
My income has been plummeting and they are adding to the problem
Happy to pay more tax !!!!
My arse !!!!!
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"No its not being disrespectful to any of those of who have served or fallen in the service of their country .However if you want independence how are you going to fund your defence as your budget is limited and by the way your leader is talking you don't want anything more to do with the rest of the union. " The snp don't have any defence policy apart from get rid of trident and keep our fingers crossed! ! | |||
"Scotland could be sitting on more than double the amount of oil and gas reserves currently predicted, a new independent industry investigation has found. The investigation reveals that the scale of Scotland’s untapped frontier West Coast or Atlantic Margin has been underestimated. The investigation was undertaken by oilandgaspeople.com, the world’s largest oil and gas industry jobs board, and independent North Sea oil and gas industry experts. The investigation included interviews with industry experts and collated seismic and expert evidence from a range of independent sources such as the British Geological Survey, DECC, oil and gas companies, the Institute of Petroleum Engineering and the Energy Institute. The findings show that the current predictions of extensive untapped reserves of oil and gas could be underestimated by 100%. The West Coast alone could provide oil and gas for at least 100 years with an estimated value of more than £1 trillion. Yet the area – off the west coast of Scotland and Outer Hebrides and Shetland –has remained largely untapped due to deep waters and difficult geological conditions. This is despite strong geological evidence for oil and gas reserves, including that the major basins in the area are filled with thick sedimentary successions – which helps produce and then reservoir oil and gas. These geological conditions support the formation of gigantic, or ‘supermassive’ oil reserves. But the investigation found that oil exploration, discoveries and production in the area are set to dramatically increase over the next ten years as continual improvements in drilling technology, rig design and seismic surveying makes the area more accessible. This activity is supported by the Bank of Scotland’s recent report predicting the need for 37,000 new jobs over the next two years in support of the current Scottish oil boom. As a result, the investigation found that the most recent round of DECC licensing for exploration has seen an increase in oil majors, such as BP, Chevron, Statoil, Total, and Shell, begin prospecting. The investigation also found over the next 10 years upwards of one million barrels a day could be pumped from the Atlantic Margins if more than £1.5 billion is invested to extract it. The investigation revealed a consensus among industry experts and companies that it’s not a case of if, but when oil and gas reserves larger than in the North Sea will be discovered in the Atlantic Margin. The only barrier was the current lack of test drilling and technology. Many cited the case of BP’s Clair Ridge as an example of how technical difficulties once overcome can lead to new oil reserves. BP employed advanced recovery techniques to access fields in the Clair Ridge that were previously inaccessible due to geographical issues such as deep water. In the 1970s, drilling companies believed such fields were out of reach, but now that new technology has opened these fields up, the Clair Ridge alone will produce 120,000 barrels per day at peak levels of production. This translates to an estimated eight billion barrels of oil worth approximately £300 billion" And with all this extra oil on the open market the price falls !! | |||
"Scotland could be sitting on more than double the amount of oil and gas reserves currently predicted, a new independent industry investigation has found. The investigation reveals that the scale of Scotland’s untapped frontier West Coast or Atlantic Margin has been underestimated. The investigation was undertaken by oilandgaspeople.com, the world’s largest oil and gas industry jobs board, and independent North Sea oil and gas industry experts. The investigation included interviews with industry experts and collated seismic and expert evidence from a range of independent sources such as the British Geological Survey, DECC, oil and gas companies, the Institute of Petroleum Engineering and the Energy Institute. The findings show that the current predictions of extensive untapped reserves of oil and gas could be underestimated by 100%. The West Coast alone could provide oil and gas for at least 100 years with an estimated value of more than £1 trillion. Yet the area – off the west coast of Scotland and Outer Hebrides and Shetland –has remained largely untapped due to deep waters and difficult geological conditions. This is despite strong geological evidence for oil and gas reserves, including that the major basins in the area are filled with thick sedimentary successions – which helps produce and then reservoir oil and gas. These geological conditions support the formation of gigantic, or ‘supermassive’ oil reserves. But the investigation found that oil exploration, discoveries and production in the area are set to dramatically increase over the next ten years as continual improvements in drilling technology, rig design and seismic surveying makes the area more accessible. This activity is supported by the Bank of Scotland’s recent report predicting the need for 37,000 new jobs over the next two years in support of the current Scottish oil boom. As a result, the investigation found that the most recent round of DECC licensing for exploration has seen an increase in oil majors, such as BP, Chevron, Statoil, Total, and Shell, begin prospecting. The investigation also found over the next 10 years upwards of one million barrels a day could be pumped from the Atlantic Margins if more than £1.5 billion is invested to extract it. The investigation revealed a consensus among industry experts and companies that it’s not a case of if, but when oil and gas reserves larger than in the North Sea will be discovered in the Atlantic Margin. The only barrier was the current lack of test drilling and technology. Many cited the case of BP’s Clair Ridge as an example of how technical difficulties once overcome can lead to new oil reserves. BP employed advanced recovery techniques to access fields in the Clair Ridge that were previously inaccessible due to geographical issues such as deep water. In the 1970s, drilling companies believed such fields were out of reach, but now that new technology has opened these fields up, the Clair Ridge alone will produce 120,000 barrels per day at peak levels of production. This translates to an estimated eight billion barrels of oil worth approximately £300 billion" And with all this extra oil on the open market the price falls !! | |||
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"Being honest there is no economic case at all for an independent Scotland...It is the fanatics and political malcontents that cry loudest of Freedom, Well unlike some on here i do not feel a "victim" or" under duress" from a foreign nation. I do feel Nicola is getting more shrill and slightly desperate..Is she thinking she is getting found out? Failing economy, health, transport ,education her success rate is poor and her other Ministers mostly promoted away above there abilities.....Check on there qualifications it is very revealing as to the lack of good governance we are getting.....Oh and new policies? when do we get any at all... " I'm not getting into the debate but Sturgeon appears to be an opportunist. | |||
"Being honest there is no economic case at all for an independent Scotland...It is the fanatics and political malcontents that cry loudest of Freedom, Well unlike some on here i do not feel a "victim" or" under duress" from a foreign nation. I do feel Nicola is getting more shrill and slightly desperate..Is she thinking she is getting found out? Failing economy, health, transport ,education her success rate is poor and her other Ministers mostly promoted away above there abilities.....Check on there qualifications it is very revealing as to the lack of good governance we are getting.....Oh and new policies? when do we get any at all... "It keeps her in a job and in the headlines. | |||
"Being honest there is no economic case at all for an independent Scotland...It is the fanatics and political malcontents that cry loudest of Freedom, Well unlike some on here i do not feel a "victim" or" under duress" from a foreign nation. I do feel Nicola is getting more shrill and slightly desperate..Is she thinking she is getting found out? Failing economy, health, transport ,education her success rate is poor and her other Ministers mostly promoted away above there abilities.....Check on there qualifications it is very revealing as to the lack of good governance we are getting.....Oh and new policies? when do we get any at all...
It keeps her in a job and in the headlines. "I think you'll find its the voters in scotland thats keeping her in a job  | |||
"Being honest there is no economic case at all for an independent Scotland...It is the fanatics and political malcontents that cry loudest of Freedom, Well unlike some on here i do not feel a "victim" or" under duress" from a foreign nation. I do feel Nicola is getting more shrill and slightly desperate..Is she thinking she is getting found out? Failing economy, health, transport ,education her success rate is poor and her other Ministers mostly promoted away above there abilities.....Check on there qualifications it is very revealing as to the lack of good governance we are getting.....Oh and new policies? when do we get any at all...
It keeps her in a job and in the headlines.
I think you'll find its the voters in scotland thats keeping her in a job "Don't know from experience but from what I,v read on here from other posters that live in Scotland she not doing too good a job on things like education whats your view on her performance? | |||
"Being honest there is no economic case at all for an independent Scotland...It is the fanatics and political malcontents that cry loudest of Freedom, Well unlike some on here i do not feel a "victim" or" under duress" from a foreign nation. I do feel Nicola is getting more shrill and slightly desperate..Is she thinking she is getting found out? Failing economy, health, transport ,education her success rate is poor and her other Ministers mostly promoted away above there abilities.....Check on there qualifications it is very revealing as to the lack of good governance we are getting.....Oh and new policies? when do we get any at all...
It keeps her in a job and in the headlines.
I think you'll find its the voters in scotland thats keeping her in a job
Don't know from experience but from what I,v read on here from other posters that live in Scotland she not doing too good a job on things like education whats your view on her performance? "To be honest i have no problem with her leadership or performance ..especially when you look at the opposition ...kezia (labour) has absolutely no idea what she's doing and ruth is just the tory partys spokesperson in scotland ..neither have scotlands interest at heart or at least dont show it ..all they do is fight snp on everything without putting up reasonable alternatives | |||
PISA damned education standards in Scotland and Audit Scotland showed that the NHS was missing most of its targets and our Police service is running a £47m deficit.
But by highlighting this I am talking Scotland down and being a traitorous Quisling.
That's where we are in Scotland, if you speak against the current government you are tarred with that brush.
One leader
One party
One people
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"The Scottish government hasn't passed any legislation since March last year. Everytime there is a crisis in Policing, education or health a token commission of "experts" is convened,in other word's "kicked to the kerb," it's conclusions we never hear about. In other words "swept under the carpet." Unless they can, however tenuous, blame it on TOARIES or WESTMONSTER.
PISA damned education standards in Scotland and Audit Scotland showed that the NHS was missing most of its targets and our Police service is running a £47m deficit.
But by highlighting this I am talking Scotland down and being a traitorous Quisling.
That's where we are in Scotland, if you speak against the current government you are tarred with that brush.
One leader
One party
One people
Dissent will not be tolerated. "Do you call yourself a traitoruos quisling? Or has someone on this post called you it ? Or are you just making it up to show independence supporters in a bad light ? | |||
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"Get on social media and see it for your self? And yes Ive been called those things and a great many others too. I,m sure weve seen the same sort of thing in the Brexit debates. Of course, you may not have seen it, that does not mean it never happened. I do hope that you are not one of the nationalists that Orwell spoke of when he wrote: " The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."" Have seen alot of name calling by both sides but the hatred from some unionists is quite bad and you will remember it was unionists who caused all the trouble in glasgow with their nazi salutes and songs of hate against scotland. | |||
"The Scottish government hasn't passed any legislation since March last year. Everytime there is a crisis in Policing, education or health a token commission of "experts" is convened,in other word's "kicked to the kerb," it's conclusions we never hear about. In other words "swept under the carpet." Unless they can, however tenuous, blame it on TOARIES or WESTMONSTER.
PISA damned education standards in Scotland and Audit Scotland showed that the NHS was missing most of its targets and our Police service is running a £47m deficit.
But by highlighting this I am talking Scotland down and being a traitorous Quisling.
That's where we are in Scotland, if you speak against the current government you are tarred with that brush.
One leader
One party
One people
Dissent will not be tolerated.
Do you call yourself a traitoruos quisling? Or has someone on this post called you it ? Or are you just making it up to show independence supporters in a bad light ?"Have a read of wings over Scotland or Bella Caledonia to see what the feeling against people with a different opinion is. we could discuss this in the Jimmy watt | |||
"The Scottish government hasn't passed any legislation since March last year. Everytime there is a crisis in Policing, education or health a token commission of "experts" is convened,in other word's "kicked to the kerb," it's conclusions we never hear about. In other words "swept under the carpet." Unless they can, however tenuous, blame it on TOARIES or WESTMONSTER.
PISA damned education standards in Scotland and Audit Scotland showed that the NHS was missing most of its targets and our Police service is running a £47m deficit.
But by highlighting this I am talking Scotland down and being a traitorous Quisling.
That's where we are in Scotland, if you speak against the current government you are tarred with that brush.
One leader
One party
One people
Dissent will not be tolerated.
Do you call yourself a traitoruos quisling? Or has someone on this post called you it ? Or are you just making it up to show independence supporters in a bad light ?
Have a read of wings over Scotland or Bella Caledonia to see what the feeling against people with a different opinion is.
we could discuss this in the Jimmy watt "I know what gets said but its from both sides | |||
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"The Scottish government hasn't passed any legislation since March last year. Everytime there is a crisis in Policing, education or health a token commission of "experts" is convened,in other word's "kicked to the kerb," it's conclusions we never hear about. In other words "swept under the carpet." Unless they can, however tenuous, blame it on TOARIES or WESTMONSTER.
PISA damned education standards in Scotland and Audit Scotland showed that the NHS was missing most of its targets and our Police service is running a £47m deficit.
But by highlighting this I am talking Scotland down and being a traitorous Quisling.
That's where we are in Scotland, if you speak against the current government you are tarred with that brush.
One leader
One party
One people
Dissent will not be tolerated.
Do you call yourself a traitoruos quisling? Or has someone on this post called you it ? Or are you just making it up to show independence supporters in a bad light ?
Have a read of wings over Scotland or Bella Caledonia to see what the feeling against people with a different opinion is.
we could discuss this in the Jimmy watt "And my references would be a bit better than a fake reverend from Bath or the nobodies that write for Bella, exception being Loki, he is at least honest.You should come to Ayrshire and meet, its nice in the summer. | |||
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"How so? What are they offering? Any answers on currency, central bank and costs, EU status and the cost to us, the deficit and how we would need to reduce it for entry, would tax go up, services slashed or a combination of both? Is the EU outwith the UK worth it without the opt outs we enjoyed with UK membership, VAT rises Schengen the euro convergence and growth and stabilith pact? What choice is that? Post Brexit its like standing in the rain getting soaked and the snp suggest we take shelter in a burning building." At the end of the day the scottish government MUST have those answers ready in 18 months - 2 yrs just as the brexit details must be made available.. once all these facts "from both sides" are then and only then can we make an informed decision i personally would rather have a choice than just accept whatever is thrown at me ..but hey thats just me | |||
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"Oh all Nationalists are not blind to the faults in there case for independece or have a chip on there in shoulders, but too many seem blind to a reasonable question and can only resort to finger pointing. I expect better from my first minister than it was someone elses fault on every policy in which her govt is failing. I do hope she will respond to legitimate concerns over the economy post any referendum .She did promise to serve "all the people of Scotland"...not a myopic dogmatic few who was to leave the UK regardless of cost to the people...It is my belief that Nationalists like communists make people fit the system rather than the other way around "
I love this post,thanks
pretty much,hits the nail on the head.
It's true,not all,
but far too many do have a chip on their shoulder.
They attempt to shout down,and intimidate,
Anyone expressing any opinion,
Other than their own.
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Some will even resort to sending forum replies,
In a private message,
Containing abusive drivel.
Knowing that posting the same reply on the forum,
Would only show them up for the,
Intolerant,undignified,narrow minded,bully boy,ned,
that they truly are.
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"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel We don't actually want nuclear weapons so you're welcome to them. Ireland relies on other nations for their defence, do they? Don't think the Irish would be happy with that opinion." We rely on goodwill and not prancing around the world sticking our nose into other people's business. "Why has Britain so many enemies? " is the question you should be asking. | |||
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"Jealousy maybe? Why is Irelands greatest export its young and talented people? " | |||
"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel We don't actually want nuclear weapons so you're welcome to them. Ireland relies on other nations for their defence, do they? Don't think the Irish would be happy with that opinion. We rely on goodwill and not prancing around the world sticking our nose into other people's business. "Why has Britain so many enemies? " is the question you should be asking. " its strange how many peeps from all over the world want to come and set home in the racist xenophobic world dominating country Or does our free thinking, business like approach to life appeal to those who hate us. | |||
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"SNP government have passed hee haw laws in Scotland in the last 12 months. They are a puppet government hell bent on independence at any cost. Their last attempt saw them base their economy on oil at over $130 a barrel. Crazy. What do we manufacture in Scotland? Hee haw. So economic growth will depend on alcohol sales, tourism and what? Oil sales? Check the price. Plus if we were to keep the pound, our fiscal policy would have to be agreed by the bank of England, each year! The hope of entering in to the EU is also a sham. Indipendance is a joke. At a time when the world is going nuts, we are better together. 400 less police officers, NHS Scotland failing 7 of their 8 targets. Plus .... want to remain in single EU market with all the free movement etc.... Plus... the I want out of the UK but remain in EU policy is bonkers. Who's gonna pay for the border at Berwick? Wake up..... stop sniffing glue and watching Braveheart on repeat! " | |||
"As far as I am concerned you can have what you want but as most major defence weapons carry a nuclear deterrent how are you going to pay for it and its up keep.as for Luxembourg and Ireland I think you will find they are reliant on the larger nations around them for their current level of peace and tranquillity at the expense of those nations service personnel We don't actually want nuclear weapons so you're welcome to them. Ireland relies on other nations for their defence, do they? Don't think the Irish would be happy with that opinion. We rely on goodwill and not prancing around the world sticking our nose into other people's business. "Why has Britain so many enemies? " is the question you should be asking. its strange how many peeps from all over the world want to come and set home in the racist xenophobic world dominating country Or does our free thinking, business like approach to life appeal to those who hate us." People tolerate fukwits and dribbling minds all the time.Just look at this forum. | |||
"Why do SNP moan and groan about laws made in Westminster that they want to rid us of and then at the same time are happy to want laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg? " Oh dear... just because you want to believe something is true, doesn't make it actually true. Scotland is a junior and subservient partner to England in the United Kingdom. They would be an equal partner with full voting rights on all EU directives and regulations. There s a huge difference between being a full partner in a Union and being a subservient partner. A number of Scots are a bit fed up of being England's bitch and would prefer a more equal relationship with their close economic and political partners. | |||
"Why do SNP moan and groan about laws made in Westminster that they want to rid us of and then at the same time are happy to want laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg? Oh dear... just because you want to believe something is true, doesn't make it actually true. Scotland is a junior and subservient partner to England in the United Kingdom. They would be an equal partner with full voting rights on all EU directives and regulations. There s a huge difference between being a full partner in a Union and being a subservient partner. A number of Scots are a bit fed up of being England's bitch and would prefer a more equal relationship with their close economic and political partners. " What would happen if Scotland ever got into financial difficulties like say, Greece? Who's bitch are Greece? | |||
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"Why do SNP moan and groan about laws made in Westminster that they want to rid us of and then at the same time are happy to want laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg? Oh dear... just because you want to believe something is true, doesn't make it actually true. Scotland is a junior and subservient partner to England in the United Kingdom. They would be an equal partner with full voting rights on all EU directives and regulations. There s a huge difference between being a full partner in a Union and being a subservient partner. A number of Scots are a bit fed up of being England's bitch and would prefer a more equal relationship with their close economic and political partners. " Just because YOU believe something doesnt make it true either. The scots have 9 % of uk mps yet are 8% of the uk population, they have 6 meps out of 751 thats 0.8% yet they have 1% of the eu population and if independent they would be 3.5% of the eu council of ministers. Compared to the influence they have in the uk as part of the uk and more importantly the influence they have in the eu as part of the uk the influence they would have in the eu as an independent country would be very minor | |||
"Why do SNP moan and groan about laws made in Westminster that they want to rid us of and then at the same time are happy to want laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg? Oh dear... just because you want to believe something is true, doesn't make it actually true. Scotland is a junior and subservient partner to England in the United Kingdom. They would be an equal partner with full voting rights on all EU directives and regulations. There s a huge difference between being a full partner in a Union and being a subservient partner. A number of Scots are a bit fed up of being England's bitch and would prefer a more equal relationship with their close economic and political partners. Just because YOU believe something doesnt make it true either. The scots have 9 % of uk mps yet are 8% of the uk population, they have 6 meps out of 751 thats 0.8% yet they have 1% of the eu population and if independent they would be 3.5% of the eu council of ministers. Compared to the influence they have in the uk as part of the uk and more importantly the influence they have in the eu as part of the uk the influence they would have in the eu as an independent country would be very minor" Let's take the Brexit example. All 27 EU Member States will get a say on the final Brexit deal. Scotland won't in its relationship with England. If it were a member of the EU as an independent nation it gets a say. For some people, that is important. | |||
"Scotland could always go for total independence from everyone of course. No UK, no EU....bitch to no one then. "The fact that you have bought into Herr Farage's line about "Independence" - speaks volumes. The EU is made up of currently 28 independent states all of whom retain their own Sovereignty (as explained in the recent White Paper). Just because you and other easily led Brexiters chose to believe Herr Farage than believe the truth doesn't change the facts. | |||
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"Why do SNP moan and groan about laws made in Westminster that they want to rid us of and then at the same time are happy to want laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg? Oh dear... just because you want to believe something is true, doesn't make it actually true. Scotland is a junior and subservient partner to England in the United Kingdom. They would be an equal partner with full voting rights on all EU directives and regulations. There s a huge difference between being a full partner in a Union and being a subservient partner. A number of Scots are a bit fed up of being England's bitch and would prefer a more equal relationship with their close economic and political partners. Just because YOU believe something doesnt make it true either. The scots have 9 % of uk mps yet are 8% of the uk population, they have 6 meps out of 751 thats 0.8% yet they have 1% of the eu population and if independent they would be 3.5% of the eu council of ministers. Compared to the influence they have in the uk as part of the uk and more importantly the influence they have in the eu as part of the uk the influence they would have in the eu as an independent country would be very minor Let's take the Brexit example. All 27 EU Member States will get a say on the final Brexit deal. Scotland won't in its relationship with England. If it were a member of the EU as an independent nation it gets a say. For some people, that is important." Scotland gets a say via the UK just because it doesnt get all it wants doesnt mean its view is ignored,just as many who want all immigration stopped wont obtain that | |||
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"Scotland could always go for total independence from everyone of course. No UK, no EU....bitch to no one then.
The fact that you have bought into Herr Farage's line about "Independence" - speaks volumes. The EU is made up of currently 28 independent states all of whom retain their own Sovereignty (as explained in the recent White Paper). Just because you and other easily led Brexiters chose to believe Herr Farage than believe the truth doesn't change the facts."The fact that I finished my posting with a laugh sort of gave it away that it was a tongue in cheek remark. I don't, and never have done, brought into anything Farage has said, I am intelligent enough to search out facts and act on them. | |||
