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"Another interesting article is from Civitas on the BBC website which says that the benefits of the single market are 'largely imaginary'. Then there are the words coming from Michel Barnier, EU negotiator, yesterday, who said he is determined to seal a 'unique' trade deal with an independant UK as soon as possible to benefit both sides" The EU have already said there's gona be nothing unique about the trade deal for the UK it will be treated like any other outside country | |||
"Another interesting article is from Civitas on the BBC website which says that the benefits of the single market are 'largely imaginary'. Then there are the words coming from Michel Barnier, EU negotiator, yesterday, who said he is determined to seal a 'unique' trade deal with an independant UK as soon as possible to benefit both sides The EU have already said there's gona be nothing unique about the trade deal for the UK it will be treated like any other outside country " What, since yesterday? | |||
"Another interesting article is from Civitas on the BBC website which says that the benefits of the single market are 'largely imaginary'. Then there are the words coming from Michel Barnier, EU negotiator, yesterday, who said he is determined to seal a 'unique' trade deal with an independant UK as soon as possible to benefit both sides The EU have already said there's gona be nothing unique about the trade deal for the UK it will be treated like any other outside country What, since yesterday?" No, no, no!! You're not uunderstanding what's being said about the EU's standpoint, which is that what they said in the immediate aftermath of the referendum is cast in stone...is not posturing, is not the opening salvo in any negotiations. .... And if they say anything different now, well its all fake news and alternative facts....as well as a load of old bollocks. Now consider yourself told and hang your head in shame.  | |||
"Another interesting article is from Civitas on the BBC website which says that the benefits of the single market are 'largely imaginary'. Then there are the words coming from Michel Barnier, EU negotiator, yesterday, who said he is determined to seal a 'unique' trade deal with an independant UK as soon as possible to benefit both sides The EU have already said there's gona be nothing unique about the trade deal for the UK it will be treated like any other outside country What, since yesterday? No, no, no!! You're not uunderstanding what's being said about the EU's standpoint, which is that what they said in the immediate aftermath of the referendum is cast in stone...is not posturing, is not the opening salvo in any negotiations. .... And if they say anything different now, well its all fake news and alternative facts....as well as a load of old bollocks. Now consider yourself told and hang your head in shame. "I'm so naive   | |||
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"To quote Michael Gove - everybody's sick of expert's guessing at what's going to happen. Time will tell so let's wait and see what happened. Then, and only then will we know who was RIGHT OR WRONG. At that point the finger pointing can start. But I bet whoever was wrong will not own up to it!!!!"  | |||
"It can't be a bespoke deal if we get no deal agreed. We could get a bespoke deal that is very attractive for the EU 27, but for us less so, since the people we have in charge of Brexit are clueless fuckwits. Whatever the deal, if we get one, it isn't going to be better than the terms we have now." How do you know? | |||
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"So today then, when the Dutch MP's who make up the influential Advisory Council of International Affairs, said that only an ambitious and bespoke pact with the UK would suffice and in particular wants to see a wide ranging agreement covering the services sector, that was fake news/bollocks?" Yes, totally! | |||
"Because it's difficult to get better than free when it comes to tariffs, wouldn't you say? " Can you explain how our tariffs are free when we have to pay for them via EU membership. In my world if you pay for something it isn't free. | |||
"Because it's difficult to get better than free when it comes to tariffs, wouldn't you say? Can you explain how our tariffs are free when we have to pay for them via EU membership. In my world if you pay for something it isn't free." Obviously not.  | |||
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"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ..." Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap" Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt" Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK?" Oh yeah, your brilliant claim about how China is going to start buying British steel! | |||
"Because it's difficult to get better than free when it comes to tariffs, wouldn't you say? Can you explain how our tariffs are free when we have to pay for them via EU membership. In my world if you pay for something it isn't free." Ok if you buy a French apple from a UK supermarket, how much of the price you paid was tariffs? | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK?" OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt" Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that" it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .." No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense | |||
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"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense" So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first?" You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan" Hardly, but I do think he has a point about trade between advanced economies and developing economies, cheap goods flow in one direction and jobs flow in the other. | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan Hardly, but I do think he has a point about trade between advanced economies and developing economies, cheap goods flow in one direction and jobs flow in the other. "Its a wonder half the world don't still live in caves then eh  | |||
"Why have Chinese car maker Geely just invested £325 million in Coventry anyone? Why not just make the cabs in China?" Possibly because 85% of the production at LTC is sold in the U.K., that and the fact that London is committed to all electric cabs by 2028 and that's where they are being made.... | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan Hardly, but I do think he has a point about trade between advanced economies and developing economies, cheap goods flow in one direction and jobs flow in the other.
Its a wonder half the world don't still live in caves then eh "What is that supposed to mean? | |||
"Why have Chinese car maker Geely just invested £325 million in Coventry anyone? Why not just make the cabs in China?" The answer depends on where the end user market is? China, EU or the UK? | |||
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"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that" But if you replace the 6 above with a 2 then haven't you just described the EU common market? So we are making it harder to trade with a market we export something like £200Bn to annually in order to make it easier to trade with one that we currently do £18Bn trade with? I don't follow the logic. Oh wait sorry I forgot to add in the 'bold' deal we are going to get with New Zealand. -Matt | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that But if you replace the 6 above with a 2 then haven't you just described the EU common market? So we are making it harder to trade with a market we export something like £200Bn to annually in order to make it easier to trade with one that we currently do £18Bn trade with? I don't follow the logic. Oh wait sorry I forgot to add in the 'bold' deal we are going to get with New Zealand. -Matt" Our sheep farmers will love that! | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan Hardly, but I do think he has a point about trade between advanced economies and developing economies, cheap goods flow in one direction and jobs flow in the other.
Its a wonder half the world don't still live in caves then eh
What is that supposed to mean? "It means what do you want to do, cut half the world off? Trading with developing nations means that you enrich them and create more customers for yourself. It leads to investment and innovation to stay one step ahead. The protectionist attitude of the EU is stifling business and is one of the reasons it is stagnating | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that But if you replace the 6 above with a 2 then haven't you just described the EU common market? So we are making it harder to trade with a market we export something like £200Bn to annually in order to make it easier to trade with one that we currently do £18Bn trade with? I don't follow the logic. Oh wait sorry I forgot to add in the 'bold' deal we are going to get with New Zealand. -Matt" Do you really think it will be much harder to trade with the EU once we've left? Hardly and as I said above, the benefits of the single market are largely imaginary. We won't be replacing anybody with anybody, it will just make trading on the whole easier | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that But if you replace the 6 above with a 2 then haven't you just described the EU common market? So we are making it harder to trade with a market we export something like £200Bn to annually in order to make it easier to trade with one that we currently do £18Bn trade with? I don't follow the logic. Oh wait sorry I forgot to add in the 'bold' deal we are going to get with New Zealand. -Matt Do you really think it will be much harder to trade with the EU once we've left? Hardly and as I said above, the benefits of the single market are largely imaginary. We won't be replacing anybody with anybody, it will just make trading on the whole easier" Putting barriers up doesn't make trading easier! | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan Hardly, but I do think he has a point about trade between advanced economies and developing economies, cheap goods flow in one direction and jobs flow in the other.
Its a wonder half the world don't still live in caves then eh
What is that supposed to mean?
It means what do you want to do, cut half the world off? Trading with developing nations means that you enrich them and create more customers for yourself. It leads to investment and innovation to stay one step ahead. The protectionist attitude of the EU is stifling business and is one of the reasons it is stagnating"Yes, in the same way that giving someone your job enriches them, and leaves you unemployed.  | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that But if you replace the 6 above with a 2 then haven't you just described the EU common market? So we are making it harder to trade with a market we export something like £200Bn to annually in order to make it easier to trade with one that we currently do £18Bn trade with? I don't follow the logic. Oh wait sorry I forgot to add in the 'bold' deal we are going to get with New Zealand. -Matt Do you really think it will be much harder to trade with the EU once we've left? Hardly and as I said above, the benefits of the single market are largely imaginary. We won't be replacing anybody with anybody, it will just make trading on the whole easier" I just don't follow the inconsistencies in the logic. Either reducing trade barriers is good and what we have in terms of no trade barrier with the EU is good. Or trade barriers are insinificant and there is no value in us doing trade deals with other nations. -Matt | |||
"It's seems you leavers just don't get it ...it wouldn't be the eu putting on tariffs it would be the UK....the EU already have tariffs to protect its market from the outside world what you leavers don't get is if the UK go on free trade deals all over the world ..farming fishing manufacturering industrit's will all be destroyed...due others countries being able to supply the goods for a fraction of the cost..countries where minimum wage and high production costs does not apply ... Sorry mate, you don't get it. I'd wager your house is already full of Chinese crap Would you care to point out how he is wrong? If the UK go and do a free trade deal with China, say, and drop any import duties on Chinese goods, why does that not mean that there would be an influx of good competing against our domestic market? Are you saying that we already buy as much of their stuff as we can, and dropping import duties would have no effect on that level? -Matt Pretty much but it would allow us to sell more if it was reciprocated. Do you know what the average tarrif is on goods into the UK? OK, so if we are already buying all we want form China and you believe dropping the tarriffs would have little effect on that, why would China want to have a trade deal with us? What would be in it for them, if you don't believe it would increase their sale of good to us significantly? -Matt Whats in it for them? Er cheaper UK goods and easier trade perhaps? They are already our 6th biggest export market and we can improve on that it seems you just don't get it ..what would happen to British Beef when it's far cheaper from south America Scotland's fish when it's cheaper and more abundant in tropical waters British steel ..well China already killed that and all the UK suppliers who make parts for the car industry ...alost all of those parts will come from China...cheaper for the consumer but alot of people will be put out of work .. No they won't. That's simplistic nonsense So why is Trump so against trade deals with developing economies and talking about putting American jobs first? You tell me? You're obviously the Trump fan Hardly, but I do think he has a point about trade between advanced economies and developing economies, cheap goods flow in one direction and jobs flow in the other.
Its a wonder half the world don't still live in caves then eh
What is that supposed to mean?
It means what do you want to do, cut half the world off? Trading with developing nations means that you enrich them and create more customers for yourself. It leads to investment and innovation to stay one step ahead. The protectionist attitude of the EU is stifling business and is one of the reasons it is stagnating
Yes, in the same way that giving someone your job enriches them, and leaves you unemployed. "So, should we look at somewhere like Africa as competition, particularly in the agricultural sector, penalise them and keep them starving, or should we relax tariffs from there, allowing them to process there own food etc thus enriching that continent and creating a huge market? | |||
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"Africa should concentrate on feeding Africa, buying cheap vegetables from the African continent at the expense of Africans dying from hunger in their hundreds of thousands..... " They could feed themselves more easily if they could afford more farming equipment, which would be made easier if they weren't penalised so heavily by the EU | |||
"Africa should concentrate on feeding Africa, buying cheap vegetables from the African continent at the expense of Africans dying from hunger in their hundreds of thousands..... They could feed themselves more easily if they could afford more farming equipment, which would be made easier if they weren't penalised so heavily by the EU" Are "they" (obviously Africa isn't a country or trade block) equally "penalised" by the US, Canada, Russia, Japan, Brazil, South Korea etc? | |||
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"Because it's difficult to get better than free when it comes to tariffs, wouldn't you say? Can you explain how our tariffs are free when we have to pay for them via EU membership. In my world if you pay for something it isn't free. Obviously not. "The payments we make are contributions toward running the EU, which encompasses many things. There are no payments for tariffs with other EU members nor for many external trading partners for which the EU has around 50 Free Trade agreements already in place. | |||
"I'll give a simple example, pointed out to me by an African export agent a couple of years ago.... Fine Green Beans.....sold at the time in Sainsbury's for £1.50, were grown, picked, and packaged in Kenya before being flown out three times a day to Britain.....with little over 17p a packet going to the Kenyan farmer. Instead of forcing them to abandon such crops in favour of heavy cash crops like coffee, we should be encouraging them to feed their African neighbours. The Chinese will end up owning half of Africa before we wake up...." they already do | |||
"Because it's difficult to get better than free when it comes to tariffs, wouldn't you say? Can you explain how our tariffs are free when we have to pay for them via EU membership. In my world if you pay for something it isn't free. Obviously not.
The payments we make are contributions toward running the EU, which encompasses many things. There are no payments for tariffs with other EU members nor for many external trading partners for which the EU has around 50 Free Trade agreements already in place."Ahh got it. It's a bit like being a member of a golf club. Once you've paid your fees,the golf's free.  | |||
"Because it's difficult to get better than free when it comes to tariffs, wouldn't you say? Can you explain how our tariffs are free when we have to pay for them via EU membership. In my world if you pay for something it isn't free. Obviously not.
The payments we make are contributions toward running the EU, which encompasses many things. There are no payments for tariffs with other EU members nor for many external trading partners for which the EU has around 50 Free Trade agreements already in place.
Ahh got it.
It's a bit like being a member of a golf club.
Once you've paid your fees,the golf's free.
"Not quite. It's more like once you've paid your fee for the facilities of the club you are entitled to use the facilities of the club. You are also entitled to use, free of charge, the facilities of the sister-club that is part of the same chain due to them realising that it is in the benefit to the members of both clubs to be able to use each other's without restriction or hindrance because they are likely to have more potential sales of drinks and food at the clubhouse. -Matt | |||
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"It can't be a bespoke deal if we get no deal agreed. We could get a bespoke deal that is very attractive for the EU 27, but for us less so, since the people we have in charge of Brexit are clueless fuckwits. Whatever the deal, if we get one, it isn't going to be better than the terms we have now.How do you know?" The terms we have now, as part of the EU customs union...include huge numbers of tariffs with other (non-EU countries) which suit the Germans et al. Once out we can negotiate our own terms/tartifs/free trade or whatever. Currently the EU are "rowing back" massively in now talking openly about free trade in many areas... But as others have said..... nothing is certain until its done...so let's stop guessing and wait and see. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK." Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? " Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know? 
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"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt"They must be. Maybe that's why Deutsche Bank can only manage to move to new offices in London with a 25 year lease rather than move out of London | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt"Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, .... Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. | |||
"I'll give a simple example, pointed out to me by an African export agent a couple of years ago.... Fine Green Beans.....sold at the time in Sainsbury's for £1.50, were grown, picked, and packaged in Kenya before being flown out three times a day to Britain.....with little over 17p a packet going to the Kenyan farmer. Instead of forcing them to abandon such crops in favour of heavy cash crops like coffee, we should be encouraging them to feed their African neighbours. The Chinese will end up owning half of Africa before we wake up...." Who encourages them to grow coffee? That wouldn't be the EU and in particular Germany would it? And you say heavy cash crops but the Germans make more money on the coffee than the Africans do | |||
"I'll give a simple example, pointed out to me by an African export agent a couple of years ago.... Fine Green Beans.....sold at the time in Sainsbury's for £1.50, were grown, picked, and packaged in Kenya before being flown out three times a day to Britain.....with little over 17p a packet going to the Kenyan farmer. Instead of forcing them to abandon such crops in favour of heavy cash crops like coffee, we should be encouraging them to feed their African neighbours. The Chinese will end up owning half of Africa before we wake up.... Who encourages them to grow coffee? That wouldn't be the EU and in particular Germany would it? And you say heavy cash crops but the Germans make more money on the coffee than the Africans do " African coffee goes all over the Western World, it's a demand from all over.....German consumer coffee consumption is no greater than modern Britain, they have a bigger concentrated coffee industry than us though, most of which is exported by Germany (and Holland) for food use throughout Europe. Of course cash crops are vital for developing nations, but cash crops are pushing much needed crop production for domestic consumption and that of their African neighbours into the shade. It's a balance that needs to be addressed, ideally by the UN and the World Bank. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? " No nothing like it....but you already know that | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. "Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe | |||
"I see only a few days away from triggering article 50 the government still hasn't filled 100's of civil servant positions it needs. " I read that since Hammond made the u-turn on national insurance, he is now having to make up the shortfall from somewhere else, and that somewhere else is the Department for Exiting the EU, and the Department for International Trade. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant | |||
"I see only a few days away from triggering article 50 the government still hasn't filled 100's of civil servant positions it needs. I read that since Hammond made the u-turn on national insurance, he is now having to make up the shortfall from somewhere else, and that somewhere else is the Department for Exiting the EU, and the Department for International Trade. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant "Didnt know the beano had a political section | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? No nothing like it....but you already know that" See my previous post. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe "IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area. Plus, the international language of banking is English. To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. "Factory workers are just as skilled as bankers, and far more useful to society | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. "and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one "Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure "Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?"Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth. "I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive.
Factory workers are just as skilled as bankers, and far more useful to society "In what way are they far more useful to society? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?"this is a stupid question the clue is in the name multi national...which multi national bank in the world do you know that doesn't have a branch in most or all of the major financial financial districts in the world ? .....if they only had offices and infrastructure in london would they be called multinationals? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space? this is a stupid question the clue is in the name multi national...which multi national bank in the world do you know that doesn't have a branch in most or all of the major financial financial districts in the world ? .....if they only had offices and infrastructure in london would they be called multinationals?"So they won't be moving then if they're already there | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space? this is a stupid question the clue is in the name multi national...which multi national bank in the world do you know that doesn't have a branch in most or all of the major financial financial districts in the world ? .....if they only had offices and infrastructure in london would they be called multinationals?
So they won't be moving then if they're already there "again stupid question you never seen a company move headquarters and key personnel or invest more in one country and less in another...? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?"Office space grows on trees | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees "In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it "Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it. Why, where do you think office space comes from? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from? "Demand | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand"So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand
So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right? "But you said they were already there. Right? | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand
So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right?
But you said they were already there. Right?"There is, just Google office space in Frankfurt if you don't believe me. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand
So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right?
But you said they were already there. Right?
There is, just Google office space in Frankfurt if you don't believe me. "Yes and if you google houses for sale in England you will find some I'm sure | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand
So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right?
But you said they were already there. Right?
There is, just Google office space in Frankfurt if you don't believe me.
Yes and if you google houses for sale in England you will find some I'm sure"Right, I'm not going to follow you any further down the rabbit hole on this. Banks leaving the UK is bad, I have no idea what that has to do with the fact that you can indeed buy a house in the UK. | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand
So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right?
But you said they were already there. Right?
There is, just Google office space in Frankfurt if you don't believe me.
Yes and if you google houses for sale in England you will find some I'm sure
Right, I'm not going to follow you any further down the rabbit hole on this.
Banks leaving the UK is bad, I have no idea what that has to do with the fact that you can indeed buy a house in the UK. "But they're not are they | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space?
Any city would be foolish to be at 100% capacity for office space as that would stiffle growth.
I don't know what stiffle means but where does office space come from?
Office space grows on trees
In your world obviously if you think that 'cities' build it
Yeah they do. Cities made up of the local authority (planning permission), developers (funding it), professional services (architectural, legal etc.), builders (building it) and businesses renting it.
Why, where do you think office space comes from?
Demand
So if we go back to what we were actually talking about then, financial institutions moving to other cities, then they will have a need for office space, therefore creating a demand, and as you believe demand creates office space, then they'll be fine, right?
But you said they were already there. Right?
There is, just Google office space in Frankfurt if you don't believe me.
Yes and if you google houses for sale in England you will find some I'm sure
Right, I'm not going to follow you any further down the rabbit hole on this.
Banks leaving the UK is bad, I have no idea what that has to do with the fact that you can indeed buy a house in the UK. "The argument seems to be that banks won't move personnel to Frankfurt where it will need to be to do free business within the EU because it won't be able to find a nice office | |||
"Let's not get carried away with LTC, the new Investment by the Chinese owners is solely to develop the new electric cabs for London, body design is unlikely to change much from the current model, the investment is all about the electric power unit and transmission. They already have a factory here with experienced workers, they have the factory geared up, and it would be a folly to move production halfway around the world and have to retrain workers, build a factory, and then ship the product back to the UK. Bit like the folly of moving all the banking then,eh? Yeah, it's a real ball ache moving banking factories. Those zeros on the ends of the numbers are really fucking heavy don't you know?
-Matt
Yes your absolutely right.... All those skilled bankers and their families to move, thousands of houses required, IT systems and infrastructure to install, buildings and offices to find, refurb and possibly build, in the existing financial districts elsewhere, ....
Yep, thinking about it, absolute piece of piss and cheap as chips. Fuck all anywhere near as complex or costly as building a factory. Are they moving these banks to the middle of a desert or in cities in Europe? I would of thought that infrastructure and most basic needs for a company would exist in any major city in Europe
IT infrastructure doesn't . housing fir the extra thousands maybe even tens if thousands if skilled banking workers.... Factory workers tend not to be skilled, factories tend to be greater automated, and therefore potential factory workers are easier to get from an existing labor pool that already live in an area.
Plus, the international language of banking is English.
To even suggest that moving banking from one country to another is a piece of piss and cheap as chips is totally naive. and you don't think that suggesting that there ain't enough English speaking bankers in major cities in Europe is equally naive? The UK is not the only English speaking country in the world ..and even so if you were to be right for the right salary people will up and move we are talking about multi national cooperations here not some small business....if you're thinking companies who pay millions in bonuses can't change counties pretty easily then I'm not the naive one
Or that high-end office space in the financial district of a major European city doesn't have IT infrastructure
Are financial districts of major European cities full of empty office space? this is a stupid question the clue is in the name multi national...which multi national bank in the world do you know that doesn't have a branch in most or all of the major financial financial districts in the world ? .....if they only had offices and infrastructure in london would they be called kmultinationals?"Yep, you're absolutely right...silly me. All of those multinationals have had offices in every major financial district in the world. And they all had the foresight when they got them years ago to have them built so big that they have literally thousands of empty desk spaces in them. And all those desks that they installed years ago were built to today's H&S standards. And the wiring all those years ago was all installed in High speed fiber optic and Cat 6 standards, that no-one had known about then apart from those bankers. And all the monitors they had installed all those years ago, sat idle just for this very occurrence, well they were monitors that were up to today's standards, even though they hadn't been invented then. Btw. ..... How many office spaces have you relocated people to recently? Just a case of people getting up from their original desk and moving to a new one? I'm just doing one at the moment for 25 people. Nothing luxury or high end about it at all. All open plan with two small meeting rooms. No welfare facilities as they'll use existing. Basic small desks and chairs. How much would you say it's costing to do? Say, as an average per person? | |||
