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Norway is the happiest country in the world..,
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Why?
Norwegians are amongst the most punitively taxed pf all people who live in modern first world countries. VAT, income tax and Corporation Taxes are all significantly higher than most other places and they also impose a direct wealth tax.
So is there any correlation between how heavy someone is taxed and how happy they are?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope; its simply down to all the stunning unbelievably sexy Norwegian Girls.
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I will leave all of you to focus on tax, vat, wealth and what ever else fills your mind, whilst I focus on the girls
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Mmmmmmmm sexy Norwegian Blonde females  |
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"They haven't got Brexit or the EU to deal wit! 
Erm... Norway is a EFTA member so they deal with the EU quite a lot inc the 4 freedoms 
Norway is not a full member of the EU. "
No one said they were. Next non-sequitur? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates."
Think you may have hit in something there.
It's the happiest country in the world because its only happy people still alive.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ah but you try working or getting a job as as foreigner in Norway not so easy "
Depends on the job. I found it easy to get a short term job over there but then I had specific skills and I could speak basic norwegian.
If on the other hand you are a labourer. No chance. Given most norwegian cities are build on mountain sides and fjords, and need to be capable of enduring arctic to sub arctic conditions every year, you need training to meet their construction requirements.
Plus small country with small population, high tax with high levels of training programmes, they fill most of their own job roles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates."
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They haven't got Brexit or the EU to deal wit!
Erm... Norway is a EFTA member so they deal with the EU quite a lot inc the 4 freedoms
Norway is not a full member of the EU. "
Part of the single market though. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway."
So the suicide rate is higher in Norway than the UK then..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway.
So the suicide rate is higher in Norway than the UK then....."
Yes but thats the problem if you cross compare two vastly different nations in size. The smallest will always look the worst.
Additionally most people in norway who took their lives were suffering with depression and S.A.D, despite hacing full time and good jobs. Unlike it this country where a lot of suicides are put down to poor jobs, lack of opertunity and feeling 'lost' in society. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They haven't got Brexit or the EU to deal wit!
Erm... Norway is a EFTA member so they deal with the EU quite a lot inc the 4 freedoms
Norway is not a full member of the EU. "
What has that got to do it your quote ?
The post i quoted said Norway dosen't have the EU to deal with but as they are a EFTA member they deal with the EU quite a lot so i don't "get" your post ? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway.
So the suicide rate is higher in Norway than the UK then.....
Yes but thats the problem if you cross compare two vastly different nations in size. The smallest will always look the worst.
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S.Korea
Sri Lanka
India
Russia
Hungary
Austria
Pakistan
Germany
Switzerland
Japan
Ukraine
Poland
Belgium
France
USA
Cuba
All vastly bigger populations than Norway.....all with higher suicide rates. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I guess its only the Norwegian guys that commit suicide because they get knock backs from all the sexy Norwegian Blonde females
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oops sorry, my imagination running wild |
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I have worked in Norway and one thing if you work over your contract hours they actually send you home for important family time - OK the work day tends to start early but most firms and government departments etc finish around three pm. I think they probably do get the work life balance better than in the UK - at least from my experience. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway."
Hang on are these rates not worked out as a percentage per capita? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why?
Norwegians are amongst the most punitively taxed pf all people who live in modern first world countries. VAT, income tax and Corporation Taxes are all significantly higher than most other places and they also impose a direct wealth tax.
So is there any correlation between how heavy someone is taxed and how happy they are?
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Because they aren't in the EU. End of discussion  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why?
Norwegians are amongst the most punitively taxed pf all people who live in modern first world countries. VAT, income tax and Corporation Taxes are all significantly higher than most other places and they also impose a direct wealth tax.
So is there any correlation between how heavy someone is taxed and how happy they are?"
Let's not get into correlation. Nicolas Cage has done far too much damage because of correlation.
What makes you happy?
For me it's work/life balance. Getting rewarded for great thing. Easy life, no pain or difficulties. Be accepted.
I get taxed heavily (52%), but travelling is free. There is a real 9 to 5 attitude. Nanny state, give you holiday money, owning a house, paying a contribution for daycare etc. Pretty happy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How do you quantify happiness? Surely its a subjective value judgement .Which will be different around the globe. On a personal subjective note,the Norwegian climate is not for me.The winters are horrendous.I wouldn't be happy living there .Give me blue skys and warm summers and mild winters.  |
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Happiness in the Scandinavian countries , is probably down to the fact they've been swinging for years and years ,
Has the swinging culture grows in the uk , I'm sure we'll see more and more smiley faces
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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Norwegians go to work every day knowing that the nations sovereign wealth fund will give them a very healthy state pension when they retire, instead of distributing North Sea oil revenues amongst wealthy share holders as the British did the Norwegians ploughed oil and gas profits and tax take from this industry back into the National Pension Fund.....which incidentally is by far the richest pension fund in the world.
Many of our neighbours and friends in Spain are Norwegians, they enjoy a very comfortable standard of living while working and extremely good state pension provision when they retire.
We got it wrong......no surprise there |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Norwegians go to work every day knowing that the nations sovereign wealth fund will give them a very healthy state pension when they retire, instead of distributing North Sea oil revenues amongst wealthy share holders as the British did the Norwegians ploughed oil and gas profits and tax take from this industry back into the National Pension Fund.....which incidentally is by far the richest pension fund in the world.
Many of our neighbours and friends in Spain are Norwegians, they enjoy a very comfortable standard of living while working and extremely good state pension provision when they retire.
We got it wrong......no surprise there "
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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The Norwegians are currently discussing taking 50bil US$ out of their near Trillion US$ pension fund for infrastructure improvements in the country, at the same time we are facing a £50bil bill for leaving the EU..... |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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Norway a country of 4 million does quite well as an independent country and has as much oil as the UK yet people seriously think Scotland cant be independent lmao Once Scotland says goodbye to the UK Scotland takes back Scottish waters and all the oil then we can be just as happy as Norway |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway.
So the suicide rate is higher in Norway than the UK then.....
Yes but thats the problem if you cross compare two vastly different nations in size. The smallest will always look the worst.
S.Korea
Sri Lanka
India
Russia
Hungary
Austria
Pakistan
Germany
Switzerland
Japan
Ukraine
Poland
Belgium
France
USA
Cuba
All vastly bigger populations than Norway.....all with higher suicide rates."
Yes thanks, you proved my point. P.s, best not a good idea to contrast Poland and Hungry, countries rife with alcoholism, to norway, which does not have much of an issue with it when talking about suicide. Funnily enough addiction to a depressant might just make you more likely to commit suicide. 
Also you mentioned the UKraine, you think suicide there might have something to do with their 'internal' conflict?
And America...you are contrasting a hyper capitalist country with a minimal welfare system, to a social democratic nation, with a thorough welfare system. When some american's can't afford to eat as lobbyist's on the state level try to remove the legal obligations of food stamps, and you compare that to how Norway treats it's poor. Can you not see why suicide rates might be higher in number? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Happiness in the Scandinavian countries has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.
A recent study bssically debunked this myth of the scandinavian nations. Basically it comes down to population size vs proportion and comparrison. If 1000 brits committ suicide each year its a small number given pur population size. If 1000 norsemen committ suicide its statistically greater as their population size is smaller.
In fact more brits committ suicide each year than norwegians, but its less statistically signifigant as we have a bigger population that norway.
Hang on are these rates not worked out as a percentage per capita? "
Depends on the study you read. Most scientific studies don't use per capita as you are effectively diluting the numbers at the national level. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Norway a country of 4 million does quite well as an independent country and has as much oil as the UK yet people seriously think Scotland cant be independent lmao Once Scotland says goodbye to the UK Scotland takes back Scottish waters and all the oil then we can be just as happy as Norway "
But Westminster says there is no oil, its all run out
and the likes of Claire ridge isn't really one of the largest finds in the world, there are no new finds in north sea, oil companies are building new platforms just for fun
Total have just commissioned a new gas terminal because there are no new gas finds
There is no oil in Scotland |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"How do you quantify happiness? Surely its a subjective value judgement .Which will be different around the globe. On a personal subjective note,the Norwegian climate is not for me.The winters are horrendous.I wouldn't be happy living there .Give me blue skys and warm summers and mild winters. "
Then you would love it in southern Portugal ! 
Winters here are almost like the English summer ! |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Gun control in Norway is significantly different than in the U.K., with far more guns in public ownership per capita than in the U.K., gun ownership has a bearing on suicide rates."
No ! It does not !
It has no bearing whatsoever! 
If one want to commit suicide he will do so using other means , less shocking to the ones they leave behind !
It is one the more effective ways to go , but then the gun is merely a means to an end !
In Fact Norway ranks nr 10 with 31.3 guns per 100 inhabitants !
UK in nr 82 with 6,6 guns per 100 inhabitants !
(Rank of a total of 175 countries)
So if you want to play that card as an indicator of suicide , it doesn't work out too well does it ?
Also if you play with those figures and correlate them to gun crime at large.... then Britain comes out looking pretty bad !  |
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"Gun control in Norway is significantly different than in the U.K., with far more guns in public ownership per capita than in the U.K., gun ownership has a bearing on suicide rates.
No ! It does not !
It has no bearing whatsoever!
If one want to commit suicide he will do so using other means , less shocking to the ones they leave behind !
It is one the more effective ways to go , but then the gun is merely a means to an end !
In Fact Norway ranks nr 10 with 31.3 guns per 100 inhabitants !
UK in nr 82 with 6,6 guns per 100 inhabitants !
(Rank of a total of 175 countries)
So if you want to play that card as an indicator of suicide , it doesn't work out too well does it ?
Also if you play with those figures and correlate them to gun crime at large.... then Britain comes out looking pretty bad ! "
Woah you've gone all Nicholas Cage on the thread. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"You can always rely on Tony to be an expert on everything.....there is plenty of research in the United States that suggets otherwise Tony, but don't let that stop you ranting mate"
lol.... since when is stating facts called ranting ?
Or .... are you just avoiding admitting the argument you put forward is baseless!
So leave the US out of it! We were discussing Norway and Britain !
It was YOU that made a comparison WITHOUT knowing the facts ! 
An expert... in guns.... and a gun owner, Yes, and proud of it ! |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Gun control in Norway is significantly different than in the U.K., with far more guns in public ownership per capita than in the U.K., gun ownership has a bearing on suicide rates.
No ! It does not !
It has no bearing whatsoever!
If one want to commit suicide he will do so using other means , less shocking to the ones they leave behind !
It is one the more effective ways to go , but then the gun is merely a means to an end !
In Fact Norway ranks nr 10 with 31.3 guns per 100 inhabitants !
UK in nr 82 with 6,6 guns per 100 inhabitants !
(Rank of a total of 175 countries)
So if you want to play that card as an indicator of suicide , it doesn't work out too well does it ?
Also if you play with those figures and correlate them to gun crime at large.... then Britain comes out looking pretty bad !
Woah you've gone all Nicholas Cage on the thread. "
How ! Just quoted some actual figures !
Lol... why does everybody have a problem with facts ? |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"You can always rely on Tony to be an expert on everything.....there is plenty of research in the United States that suggets otherwise Tony, but don't let that stop you ranting mate
lol.... since when is stating facts called ranting ?
Or .... are you just avoiding admitting the argument you put forward is baseless!
So leave the US out of it! We were discussing Norway and Britain !
It was YOU that made a comparison WITHOUT knowing the facts !
An expert... in guns.... and a gun owner, Yes, and proud of it ! "
Calm down Tony....your mascara will run mate.
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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Norway has high instances of Seasonal Adjustment Disorder, possibly because of the long periods of darkness in the North of the country, its one of the reasons given for high instances of suicide in Finland and Iceland too....Finland also has a large hunting tradition amongst its population, just like Norway, so connections between high gun ownership and suicide are naturally going to be made amongst researchers.
And Tony, being a gun owner yourself doesn't automatically make you an expert of Scandinavian gun ownership mate....unless of course you are going to tell us you are also a secret Scandinavian.
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Norway has high instances of Seasonal Adjustment Disorder, possibly because of the long periods of darkness in the North of the country, its one of the reasons given for high instances of suicide in Finland and Iceland too....Finland also has a large hunting tradition amongst its population, just like Norway, so connections between high gun ownership and suicide are naturally going to be made amongst researchers.
And Tony, being a gun owner yourself doesn't automatically make you an expert of Scandinavian gun ownership mate....unless of course you are going to tell us you are also a secret Scandinavian.
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You almost right !
Scandinavia Know it fairly well , been to Norway , Denmark , and Sweden !
Only Scandinavian country, I havnt been to is Iceland ! Although not exactly in next door to the others , Iceland is culturally and ethnically Scandinavian.
Not Norway ...but Sweden.... I have Family there !
I go once or twice a year !
I have done shooting and hunting there!
Oh and by the way ...I am calm ! 
Gone are the days where I would be irritated by people who confuse opinions with facts.... |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"If nothing else Tony your posts do provide the forums with terrific comedy content......
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LOl... run baby run....
Is that you way of avoiding the fact you you made a completely baseless argument , and now you are pissed off at me because I pointed out you mistake !
Why don't you grow up !
Admit you are wrong, its more deserving of respect then trying to avoid the issues with comments like that !
Life is a learning experience from the day you are born to the day you die!
Nobody knows everything!
Its no shame admitting you don't know something !
But its arrogant and dishonest when you persist on confusing your opinion with facts! |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"If nothing else Tony your posts do provide the forums with terrific comedy content......
LOl... run baby run....
Is that you way of avoiding the fact you you made a completely baseless argument , and now you are pissed off at me because I pointed out you mistake !
Why don't you grow up !
Admit you are wrong, its more deserving of respect then trying to avoid the issues with comments like that !
Life is a learning experience from the day you are born to the day you die!
Nobody knows everything!
Its no shame admitting you don't know something !
But its arrogant and dishonest when you persist on confusing your opinion with facts! "
Oh Tony.....I'm not angry with you, I'm amused by you mate, you are pure comedy value and it's probably what the forum needs.....they say laughter is the best medicine, and you are the good doctor!
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"Norway a country of 4 million does quite well as an independent country and has as much oil as the UK yet people seriously think Scotland cant be independent lmao Once Scotland says goodbye to the UK Scotland takes back Scottish waters and all the oil then we can be just as happy as Norway "
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Whow there, take back the oil fields? You mean take them off the companies that already legally own them?.
I think that might be troublesome on two fronts.
A its illegal
B how would you then produce oil? Use theyre platforms and equipment and workers?.
Have you actually thought this through or is it just Mel Gibson giving a speech before leading his men into battle |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"If nothing else Tony your posts do provide the forums with terrific comedy content......
LOl... run baby run....
Is that you way of avoiding the fact you you made a completely baseless argument , and now you are pissed off at me because I pointed out you mistake !
Why don't you grow up !
Admit you are wrong, its more deserving of respect then trying to avoid the issues with comments like that !
Life is a learning experience from the day you are born to the day you die!
Nobody knows everything!
Its no shame admitting you don't know something !
But its arrogant and dishonest when you persist on confusing your opinion with facts!
Oh Tony.....I'm not angry with you, I'm amused by you mate, you are pure comedy value and it's probably what the forum needs.....they say laughter is the best medicine, and you are the good doctor!
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Yes I am ! You should come down for a sunny break and see my show ! I am better live !
And by the way where did I say you were angry at me ?
You are making stuff up ...lol... but ...its Sunday so you probably had a drink....or something else !
Whatever it was it seems to be affecting your ability to think straight.... so stop going of topic , man up and admit that what you posted, relating suicide to guns, and comparing UK and Norway was wrong ! |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"If nothing else Tony your posts do provide the forums with terrific comedy content......
LOl... run baby run....
Is that you way of avoiding the fact you you made a completely baseless argument , and now you are pissed off at me because I pointed out you mistake !
Why don't you grow up !
Admit you are wrong, its more deserving of respect then trying to avoid the issues with comments like that !
Life is a learning experience from the day you are born to the day you die!
Nobody knows everything!
Its no shame admitting you don't know something !
But its arrogant and dishonest when you persist on confusing your opinion with facts!
Oh Tony.....I'm not angry with you, I'm amused by you mate, you are pure comedy value and it's probably what the forum needs.....they say laughter is the best medicine, and you are the good doctor!
Yes I am ! You should come down for a sunny break and see my show ! I am better live !
And by the way where did I say you were angry at me ?
You are making stuff up ...lol... but ...its Sunday so you probably had a drink....or something else !
Whatever it was it seems to be affecting your ability to think straight.... so stop going of topic , man up and admit that what you posted, relating suicide to guns, and comparing UK and Norway was wrong ! "
I'm trying to visualise the veins protruding in you temples, do you go a little red in the cheeks and around the front of the neck when someone dares to disagree with you?.....
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"If nothing else Tony your posts do provide the forums with terrific comedy content......
LOl... run baby run....
Is that you way of avoiding the fact you you made a completely baseless argument , and now you are pissed off at me because I pointed out you mistake !
Why don't you grow up !
Admit you are wrong, its more deserving of respect then trying to avoid the issues with comments like that !
Life is a learning experience from the day you are born to the day you die!
Nobody knows everything!
Its no shame admitting you don't know something !
But its arrogant and dishonest when you persist on confusing your opinion with facts!
Oh Tony.....I'm not angry with you, I'm amused by you mate, you are pure comedy value and it's probably what the forum needs.....they say laughter is the best medicine, and you are the good doctor!
Yes I am ! You should come down for a sunny break and see my show ! I am better live !
And by the way where did I say you were angry at me ?
You are making stuff up ...lol... but ...its Sunday so you probably had a drink....or something else !
Whatever it was it seems to be affecting your ability to think straight.... so stop going of topic , man up and admit that what you posted, relating suicide to guns, and comparing UK and Norway was wrong !
I'm trying to visualise the veins protruding in you temples, do you go a little red in the cheeks and around the front of the neck when someone dares to disagree with you?.....
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Jesus!
What are you smoking ?
You keep repeating yourself, trying to portray me !
Stop deflecting ! do you always react like this when someone demonstrates you are wrong ?
You are embarrassing yourself. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"If nothing else Tony your posts do provide the forums with terrific comedy content......
LOl... run baby run....
Is that you way of avoiding the fact you you made a completely baseless argument , and now you are pissed off at me because I pointed out you mistake !
Why don't you grow up !
Admit you are wrong, its more deserving of respect then trying to avoid the issues with comments like that !
Life is a learning experience from the day you are born to the day you die!
Nobody knows everything!
Its no shame admitting you don't know something !
But its arrogant and dishonest when you persist on confusing your opinion with facts!
Oh Tony.....I'm not angry with you, I'm amused by you mate, you are pure comedy value and it's probably what the forum needs.....they say laughter is the best medicine, and you are the good doctor!
Yes I am ! You should come down for a sunny break and see my show ! I am better live !
And by the way where did I say you were angry at me ?
You are making stuff up ...lol... but ...its Sunday so you probably had a drink....or something else !
Whatever it was it seems to be affecting your ability to think straight.... so stop going of topic , man up and admit that what you posted, relating suicide to guns, and comparing UK and Norway was wrong !
I'm trying to visualise the veins protruding in you temples, do you go a little red in the cheeks and around the front of the neck when someone dares to disagree with you?.....
Jesus!
What are you smoking ?
You keep repeating yourself, trying to portray me !
Stop deflecting ! do you always react like this when someone demonstrates you are wrong ?
You are embarrassing yourself. "
Quick Tony.....dash off to the bathroom and see if those veins are protruding in the mirror mate.... |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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What you can't seem to grasp Tony is I dare to disagree with your 'facts' ......just because you are a gun carrying fan it doesn't automatically make you an expert on the suicide by firearm rates in another country, gun-nuts always have their own way of looking at facts and figures because it suits their passion for firearms.....I just happen to disagree with your view. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"What you can't seem to grasp Tony is I dare to disagree with your 'facts' ......just because you are a gun carrying fan it doesn't automatically make you an expert on the suicide by firearm rates in another country, gun-nuts always have their own way of looking at facts and figures because it suits their passion for firearms.....I just happen to disagree with your view."
Its not a question of view , its a question of concrete numbers !
That is what is at stake !
So can you deal with that ?
"In Fact Norway ranks nr 10 with 31.3 guns per 100 inhabitants !
UK in nr 82 with 6,6 guns per 100 inhabitants !
(Rank of a total of 175 countries)"
Roughly Norway has 5 times more gun then the UK !
Total suicides per 100 000 :
UK - 6,2
Norway- 9,1
Do the math ! |
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"Its not a question of view , its a question of concrete numbers !
That is what is at stake !
So can you deal with that ?
"In Fact Norway ranks nr 10 with 31.3 guns per 100 inhabitants !
UK in nr 82 with 6,6 guns per 100 inhabitants !
(Rank of a total of 175 countries)"
Roughly Norway has 5 times more gun then the UK !
Total suicides per 100 000 :
UK - 6,2
Norway- 9,1
Do the math ! "
It is not that simple Tony. I am sure that there is some correlation between fire arm availability and death rate, as you point out (by the way if you acknowledge this why are you so pro fire arms proliferation?). But there is also the sun factor that needs to be considered, unless you are denying the statistics you have to acknowledge that there is a strong correlation between lack of exposure do daylight and suicide. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Its not a question of view , its a question of concrete numbers !
That is what is at stake !
So can you deal with that ?
"In Fact Norway ranks nr 10 with 31.3 guns per 100 inhabitants !
UK in nr 82 with 6,6 guns per 100 inhabitants !
(Rank of a total of 175 countries)"
Roughly Norway has 5 times more gun then the UK !
Total suicides per 100 000 :
UK - 6,2
Norway- 9,1
Do the math !
It is not that simple Tony. I am sure that there is some correlation between fire arm availability and death rate, as you point out (by the way if you acknowledge this why are you so pro fire arms proliferation?). But there is also the sun factor that needs to be considered, unless you are denying the statistics you have to acknowledge that there is a strong correlation between lack of exposure do daylight and suicide. "
Yes there is a correlation !
And yeah the lack of light is a factor !
But in regards to the figures I put forward ,they can be made simpler in percentage terms :
Norway has 500% more guns then the UK , but only 30% more suicides !
However the issue started with Janes hubbie stating that the existence of more guns meant more suicides :
" Gun control in Norway is significantly different than in the U.K., with far more guns in public ownership per capita than in the U.K., gun ownership has a bearing on suicide rates."
I merely pointed out that one does not commit suicide because he has a gun! The gun is a practical "tool" to do it, but not the cause !
Basically The countries with the highest suicide rates have very few guns per capita , thus the correlation is iffey at best ! |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
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You have just proved that (a) Norway has more firearms per capita than Britain.....(b) Norway has a higher suicide rate per capita than Britain....
Apart from that what is your actual point?"
So now you finally ask ?
My point is , as I tried to explain before , That people dont commit suicide because they have a gun ! suicide has many causes , and guns are not one of them ! You might use a gun as an "easier" way to go , but if a gun isn't available .... you will resort to something else !
Higher Gun ownership does not automatically equate to more suicides !  |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
If I had suggested that guns were used in ALL suicides then your math would make sense.... but I didn't did I?
You are so intent on supporting your own personal appetite for gun ownership that it warps your view, you can't even accept the fact that the vast majority of Met Police Officers don't support the routine arming of police in the capital, so much so that you actually resort to suggesting that they are not fit to serve.....
But then again you are Tony, so you MUST know better than even the most experienced of police officers.
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"If I had suggested that guns were used in ALL suicides then your math would make sense.... but I didn't did I?
You are so intent on supporting your own personal appetite for gun ownership that it warps your view, you can't even accept the fact that the vast majority of Met Police Officers don't support the routine arming of police in the capital, so much so that you actually resort to suggesting that they are not fit to serve.....
But then again you are Tony, so you MUST know better than even the most experienced of police officers.
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There you go AGAIN....!
You dismiss the statistics actual verifiable figures , and "prefer" to go off topic !
and dont try to change what you said too!
You suggested that more guns meant more suicides !
"Gun control in Norway is significantly different than in the U.K., with far more guns in public ownership per capita than in the U.K., gun ownership has a bearing on suicide rates."
I can give you stats, NOT opinions that dispel that!
But with you, only your opinion counts , facts don't matter ! |
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Tony,
I agree with you when yo say guns don't kill people, people kill people (including themselves).
People are violent and guns make it easier for people to kill people (including themselves) and the easier it is to kill the more will be killed. Also people have a natural tendency to use weapons and when choosing weapons gravitate to the most destructive and easiest to use available.
Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans. |
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over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Tony,
I agree with you when yo say guns don't kill people, people kill people (including themselves).
People are violent and guns make it easier for people to kill people (including themselves) and the easier it is to kill the more will be killed. Also people have a natural tendency to use weapons and when choosing weapons gravitate to the most destructive and easiest to use available.
Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans."
No Will, not entirely true, Guns , in some cases can , and do save more lives then they take ?
In fact loss of life or serious injury by guns is probably the least significant compared to all other causes !
Would The same apply to knives as well ?
Still the existence of a firearm does not stimulate suicide !
A firearm like a knife is a inanimate object , a tool! That tool can feed you , save you, be a source of recreation, or take a life !
Its not rational and too easy , to attribute, or put blame on a thing or object, and thus exempt someone from responsibility !
Suicide is way more complex then that, and to reduce it to such simplistic view, is either not wanting to face that reality, or pure ignorance! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Tony,
I agree with you when yo say guns don't kill people, people kill people (including themselves).
People are violent and guns make it easier for people to kill people (including themselves) and the easier it is to kill the more will be killed. Also people have a natural tendency to use weapons and when choosing weapons gravitate to the most destructive and easiest to use available.
Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans.
No Will, not entirely true, Guns , in some cases can , and do save more lives then they take ?
In fact loss of life or serious injury by guns is probably the least significant compared to all other causes !
Would The same apply to knives as well ?
Still the existence of a firearm does not stimulate suicide !
A firearm like a knife is a inanimate object , a tool! That tool can feed you , save you, be a source of recreation, or take a life !
Its not rational and too easy , to attribute, or put blame on a thing or object, and thus exempt someone from responsibility !
Suicide is way more complex then that, and to reduce it to such simplistic view, is either not wanting to face that reality, or pure ignorance! "
He didn't put blame on the thing or object. Try reading again.
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"Norway a country of 4 million does quite well as an independent country and has as much oil as the UK yet people seriously think Scotland cant be independent lmao Once Scotland says goodbye to the UK Scotland takes back Scottish waters and all the oil then we can be just as happy as Norway "
How much oil is left in Scottish waters? Even the big find west of Shetland is about 1/10th of what the Forties Field held. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Tony,
I agree with you when yo say guns don't kill people, people kill people (including themselves).
People are violent and guns make it easier for people to kill people (including themselves) and the easier it is to kill the more will be killed. Also people have a natural tendency to use weapons and when choosing weapons gravitate to the most destructive and easiest to use available.
Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans.
No Will, not entirely true, Guns , in some cases can , and do save more lives then they take ?
In fact loss of life or serious injury by guns is probably the least significant compared to all other causes !
Would The same apply to knives as well ?
Still the existence of a firearm does not stimulate suicide !
A firearm like a knife is a inanimate object , a tool! That tool can feed you , save you, be a source of recreation, or take a life !
Its not rational and too easy , to attribute, or put blame on a thing or object, and thus exempt someone from responsibility !
Suicide is way more complex then that, and to reduce it to such simplistic view, is either not wanting to face that reality, or pure ignorance!
He didn't put blame on the thing or object. Try reading again.
-Matt"
Really !
So how do you interpret this statement
"Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans."
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"Tony,
I agree with you when yo say guns don't kill people, people kill people (including themselves).
People are violent and guns make it easier for people to kill people (including themselves) and the easier it is to kill the more will be killed. Also people have a natural tendency to use weapons and when choosing weapons gravitate to the most destructive and easiest to use available.
Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans.
No Will, not entirely true, Guns , in some cases can , and do save more lives then they take ?
In fact loss of life or serious injury by guns is probably the least significant compared to all other causes !
Would The same apply to knives as well ?
Still the existence of a firearm does not stimulate suicide !
A firearm like a knife is a inanimate object , a tool! That tool can feed you , save you, be a source of recreation, or take a life !
Its not rational and too easy , to attribute, or put blame on a thing or object, and thus exempt someone from responsibility !
Suicide is way more complex then that, and to reduce it to such simplistic view, is either not wanting to face that reality, or pure ignorance!
He didn't put blame on the thing or object. Try reading again.
-Matt
Really !
So how do you interpret this statement
"Fact is, fire arms by their very nature must increase violent deaths at the hands of humans."
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I am sure the instrument used to shoot the terrorist and indeed SAVE lives at Westminster was indeed a firearm, a handgun to be specific.
If the firearm had not been used many other lives may have been taken along with further numbers of casualties
so, in this case, the firearm saved lives, anyone disagree |
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"How did firearms get into every thread. "
Same way brexit gets into every thread people make it so.How do guns make Norway a happy better place ?I have no fucking idea. |
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