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Could brexit mean a referendum in northern ireland?
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"Now that scotland want to be independent and wales making plans for it, could northern ireland seek it too? Brexit was rejected by 55.8% of voters in northern ireland - is seen as just the latest imposition by england, it has given a new momentum to their whole reason for existing, the belief the island of ireland should be one country "I think a united Ireland would benefit the irish.The scots are leaving no doubt.If the Welsh leave its time for the Cornish to go.   | |||
"Now that scotland want to be independent and wales making plans for it, could northern ireland seek it too? Brexit was rejected by 55.8% of voters in northern ireland - is seen as just the latest imposition by england, it has given a new momentum to their whole reason for existing, the belief the island of ireland should be one country "The brexit vote was certainly another nudge towards it. The changing demographics are also tilting that way. The DUP opposition to anything Irish is also helping, they seem to happy to go down on the deck on the titanic singing God Save The Queen. A lot has to happen south of the border as well. Most of the political parties there have stayed away from the reunification issue. The Good Friday Agreement said the issue was to be resolved by a referendum first in Northern Ireland and then in the Republic of Ireland. Its at least 15 years away yet, I'm guessing. | |||
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"Now that scotland want to be independent and wales making plans for it, could northern ireland seek it too? Brexit was rejected by 55.8% of voters in northern ireland - is seen as just the latest imposition by england, it has given a new momentum to their whole reason for existing, the belief the island of ireland should be one country "The polls suggest that Scotland doesn't want to be independent though. And I've heard nothing about it from Wales, maybe those who want to burn holiday cottages but no large groundswell of opinion. And didn't Wales as a whole, vote Leave? | |||
"its been the boiling point of talks for a good few weeks now, if N. Ireland went independent, they would go with the Euro If Scotland goes independent they would possibly go with the Euro leaving England and wales with the £ - pound, which wouldn't last long They would have problems with exchange and things would go to shit, they would consider re-joining the EU . But Scotland would put a block on them rejoining "The scots cannot go with the Euro as they would not qualify for it for at least five years I think,they would have to have there own currency lol.As for your remark on the pound it will be around long after the Euro has died and gone into history as one of Europes biggest follies. | |||
"its been the boiling point of talks for a good few weeks now, if N. Ireland went independent, they would go with the Euro If Scotland goes independent they would possibly go with the Euro leaving England and wales with the £ - pound, which wouldn't last long They would have problems with exchange and things would go to shit, they would consider re-joining the EU . But Scotland would put a block on them rejoining "WTF? 1. Currently NI can't even look like getting the assembly back together....so under the rules as they stand will fall back on direct rule. 2. Nicola has said she wants to keep the pound as she is dead set against the Euro. 3. If (mahoosive if) England/Wales wished to rejoin the EU then Scotland couldn't block it as an independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU. They won't meet criteria for joining and them being vetoed by Spain is far more likely. But I love the humour of your post! | |||
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"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation." Are you saying that unionists don't respect democracy?  | |||
"its been the boiling point of talks for a good few weeks now, if N. Ireland went independent, they would go with the Euro If Scotland goes independent they would possibly go with the Euro leaving England and wales with the £ - pound, which wouldn't last long They would have problems with exchange and things would go to shit, they would consider re-joining the EU . But Scotland would put a block on them rejoining
WTF?
1. Currently NI can't even look like getting the assembly back together....so under the rules as they stand will fall back on direct rule.
2. Nicola has said she wants to keep the pound as she is dead set against the Euro.
3. If (mahoosive if) England/Wales wished to rejoin the EU then Scotland couldn't block it as an independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU. They won't meet criteria for joining and them being vetoed by Spain is far more likely.
But I love the humour of your post!"You need to keep up with the times, keep up with what is going on around you, you need to sit in on party conferences rather than spend all your time online, then you will find out what is being said and you will realise your points 2 & 3 are a croc of shit
as for point one, that is for the Irish to decide, but then, you already exactly what they will do with your crystal ball  | |||
"its been the boiling point of talks for a good few weeks now, if N. Ireland went independent, they would go with the Euro If Scotland goes independent they would possibly go with the Euro leaving England and wales with the £ - pound, which wouldn't last long They would have problems with exchange and things would go to shit, they would consider re-joining the EU . But Scotland would put a block on them rejoining
WTF?
1. Currently NI can't even look like getting the assembly back together....so under the rules as they stand will fall back on direct rule.
2. Nicola has said she wants to keep the pound as she is dead set against the Euro.
3. If (mahoosive if) England/Wales wished to rejoin the EU then Scotland couldn't block it as an independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU. They won't meet criteria for joining and them being vetoed by Spain is far more likely.
But I love the humour of your post!
You need to keep up with the times, keep up with what is going on around you, you need to sit in on party conferences rather than spend all your time online, then you will find out what is being said and you will realise your points 2 & 3 are a croc of shit
as for point one, that is for the Irish to decide, but then, you already exactly what they will do with your crystal ball "Maybe you need to get up to speed on what is actually happening regarding independence! After all, all your arguments on Scottish independence were discredited last week, so much so, that you resorted to calling people "scum", "cowards" and "little englanders" at anyone who didn't agree with your views. You put points across but neglect the most important one, in that NI and Wales don't actually have any mechanisms in place to hold an independence referendum. So any of your points on currency etc are entirely meaningless. And if it makes you feel any better, please feel free to shout "Stockholm syndrome" at me if it makes you feel better. I see that was another of your rather infantile traits in the Scotland room when you realised that you were losing any argument that you put forward. | |||
"its been the boiling point of talks for a good few weeks now, if N. Ireland went independent, they would go with the Euro If Scotland goes independent they would possibly go with the Euro leaving England and wales with the £ - pound, which wouldn't last long They would have problems with exchange and things would go to shit, they would consider re-joining the EU . But Scotland would put a block on them rejoining
WTF?
1. Currently NI can't even look like getting the assembly back together....so under the rules as they stand will fall back on direct rule.
2. Nicola has said she wants to keep the pound as she is dead set against the Euro.
3. If (mahoosive if) England/Wales wished to rejoin the EU then Scotland couldn't block it as an independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU. They won't meet criteria for joining and them being vetoed by Spain is far more likely.
But I love the humour of your post!
You need to keep up with the times, keep up with what is going on around you, you need to sit in on party conferences rather than spend all your time online, then you will find out what is being said and you will realise your points 2 & 3 are a croc of shit
as for point one, that is for the Irish to decide, but then, you already exactly what they will do with your crystal ball
Maybe you need to get up to speed on what is actually happening regarding independence! After all, all your arguments on Scottish independence were discredited last week, so much so, that you resorted to calling people "scum", "cowards" and "little englanders" at anyone who didn't agree with your views.
You put points across but neglect the most important one, in that NI and Wales don't actually have any mechanisms in place to hold an independence referendum. So any of your points on currency etc are entirely meaningless.
And if it makes you feel any better, please feel free to shout "Stockholm syndrome" at me if it makes you feel better. I see that was another of your rather infantile traits in the Scotland room when you realised that you were losing any argument that you put forward."Not at all, it just fucks me off that you rant on telling all what is going to happen when in all honesty you know absolutely fuck all on what is going to happen you only presume, and we had the same shit during brexit that it would never happen, and same across the water with trump, people full of shit now, after my rant, I will let you get back to telling everyone what is right, and what is wrong with the world Im off for a walk in the countryside, you should try it, get away from your pc . if not, have a lovely day anyway | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Are you saying that unionists don't respect democracy? "I'm saying that regardless of what it may seem on the surface the two sides are still poles apart and that violence would most likely surface again should a united Ireland come to pass. Nothing to do with democracy when views are so entrenched in my view. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Are you saying that unionists don't respect democracy?
I'm saying that regardless of what it may seem on the surface the two sides are still poles apart and that violence would most likely surface again should a united Ireland come to pass. Nothing to do with democracy when views are so entrenched in my view."Yeah theres still too many people willing to go back to violence if the status quo was to change. If they can get the assembley back up and running it would be the best thing for all concerned. | |||
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"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation." sadly I agree with you | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation." Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. " I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so." Arms aren't easily accessible on the open market, or at least not in the quantities required to run a war. Without British military aid loyalists have no capability to stage any type of long term war. It would also be a war which child have no victorious outcome for them. You're correct about decommissioning to a certain extent. The loyalist death squads never decommissioned any of their weapons at all. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so. Arms aren't easily accessible on the open market, or at least not in the quantities required to run a war. Without British military aid loyalists have no capability to stage any type of long term war. It would also be a war which child have no victorious outcome for them. You're correct about decommissioning to a certain extent. The loyalist death squads never decommissioned any of their weapons at all. " If arms aren't easily accessible then neither side will have them then. As I say, I hope I'm wrong but arms dealers might see it differently. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so. Arms aren't easily accessible on the open market, or at least not in the quantities required to run a war. Without British military aid loyalists have no capability to stage any type of long term war. It would also be a war which child have no victorious outcome for them. You're correct about decommissioning to a certain extent. The loyalist death squads never decommissioned any of their weapons at all. If arms aren't easily accessible then neither side will have them then. As I say, I hope I'm wrong but arms dealers might see it differently." Why would republicans want weapons? | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so. Arms aren't easily accessible on the open market, or at least not in the quantities required to run a war. Without British military aid loyalists have no capability to stage any type of long term war. It would also be a war which child have no victorious outcome for them. You're correct about decommissioning to a certain extent. The loyalist death squads never decommissioned any of their weapons at all. If arms aren't easily accessible then neither side will have them then. As I say, I hope I'm wrong but arms dealers might see it differently. Why would republicans want weapons? "Because fighting guns with sticks tends to not end well. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so. Arms aren't easily accessible on the open market, or at least not in the quantities required to run a war. Without British military aid loyalists have no capability to stage any type of long term war. It would also be a war which child have no victorious outcome for them. You're correct about decommissioning to a certain extent. The loyalist death squads never decommissioned any of their weapons at all. If arms aren't easily accessible then neither side will have them then. As I say, I hope I'm wrong but arms dealers might see it differently. Why would republicans want weapons?
Because fighting guns with sticks tends to not end well."In the event of a democratic decision to move to unity I can't see who'd be attacking anyone. Are you suggesting that unionists aren't democrats like they say they are? I don't believe that.. | |||
"Sadly for Ireland, just as there was violence on both sides before, if a move to reunify the country was to happen I think think you would see a return to violence which would be a blight on the country for a generation. Given that the loyalist paramilitary groups are armed by the British military through the most recent troubles, if the British military stay out of it then they won't get very far. I doubt that all of the weaponry on both sides has been handed in and arms are easily accessible on the open market. I would hope I was wrong but I don't think so. Arms aren't easily accessible on the open market, or at least not in the quantities required to run a war. Without British military aid loyalists have no capability to stage any type of long term war. It would also be a war which child have no victorious outcome for them. You're correct about decommissioning to a certain extent. The loyalist death squads never decommissioned any of their weapons at all. If arms aren't easily accessible then neither side will have them then. As I say, I hope I'm wrong but arms dealers might see it differently. Why would republicans want weapons?
Because fighting guns with sticks tends to not end well.
In the event of a democratic decision to move to unity I can't see who'd be attacking anyone. Are you suggesting that unionists aren't democrats like they say they are? I don't believe that.. "I'm saying that even with democratic decisions there will be people that won't agree with it...it just depends how that disagreement is voiced/acted upon....again I say, I hope I'm wrong. | |||
