FabSwingers.com > Forums > Politics > Freedom for Cornwall.
Freedom for Cornwall.
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
With less than 500 fluent cornish speakers left.The language is on the edge of extinction.Is it time for independence to protect Cornish culture and language as Westminster neglects Cornwall and has cut the funding of cornish culture and language .This wouldn't be accepted in wales and Scotland.In 2014 the Cornish were recognised as a minority. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Let the language die, same for other languages, they shouldn't need life support. "
So why does the BBC broadcast in gaelic and Welsh.Seems they are happy to support other languages.Maybe because they see the cornish as English.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Let the language die, same for other languages, they shouldn't need life support. So why does the BBC broadcast in gaelic and Welsh.Seems they are happy to support other languages.Maybe because they see the cornish as English."
I dont agree with support for those languages either. I grew up in East Anglia, I have shed not one tear for not being able to speak Iceni. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Let the language die, same for other languages, they shouldn't need life support. So why does the BBC broadcast in gaelic and Welsh.Seems they are happy to support other languages.Maybe because they see the cornish as English.
I dont agree with support for those languages either. I grew up in East Anglia, I have shed not one tear for not being able to speak Iceni. "
The Iceni died with Roman invasion.Cornish isnt dead just yet.If Westminster doesn't match the EU funding a call for independence is on the cards.The cornish will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Let the language die, same for other languages, they shouldn't need life support. So why does the BBC broadcast in gaelic and Welsh.Seems they are happy to support other languages.Maybe because they see the cornish as English.
I dont agree with support for those languages either. I grew up in East Anglia, I have shed not one tear for not being able to speak Iceni. The Iceni died with Roman invasion.Cornish isnt dead just yet.If Westminster doesn't match the EU funding a call for independence is on the cards.The cornish will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years."
I thought Cornwall voted to leave? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
Mebyon Kernow does not want to separate from the UK like the Scottish National Party does, but does want to be seen as its own nation, with a legislative assembly similar to the Scottish Parliament.Cornwall has the strongest independence movement within England.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it  "
Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance."
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us."
.
Even as a proud welshman.
I cant fault your logic |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us."
Really yet you have no interest in preserving Cornish culture and language.Hardly working togeather.If you dont want to celebrate Cornish culture and prefer a mono english culture.Then thats dictating what cultural landscape you wish to see on this island. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us..
Even as a proud welshman.
I cant fault your logic"
Should we let the Welsh language die.Would you not consider as a proud Welshman only 500 fluent cornish speakers a cultural loss and something worth preserving. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
You don't need independence for anything you ask for, just an interest for people in discovering there past. It is far easier now than ever before to learn about Cornwalls past, if people want to keep Cornish being spoken, if not they won't. Building a barrier to 'English' will not work, most of the Internet is in English or Chinese...  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us.Really yet you have no interest in preserving Cornish culture and language.Hardly working togeather.If you dont want to celebrate Cornish culture and prefer a mono english culture.Then thats dictating what cultural landscape you wish to see on this island."
How would an English scientist.work with a scientist who only spoke Cornish? They couldn't work together. How could a Cornish only speaking architect work with an only English speaking builder? What units of measurement do the cornish use?
So no, different languages make it much more difficult to communicate and to work together. I'm not particularly intereted in a mono English culture, English has bad parts of its culture as well as bad. I prefer world culture, taking the best that all cultures have, and working together to make the world a better place. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Mebyon Kernow does not want to separate from the UK like the Scottish National Party does, but does want to be seen as its own nation, with a legislative assembly similar to the Scottish Parliament.Cornwall has the strongest independence movement within England. "
So another talking shop paid for by the tax payer then? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Mebyon Kernow does not want to separate from the UK like the Scottish National Party does, but does want to be seen as its own nation, with a legislative assembly similar to the Scottish Parliament.Cornwall has the strongest independence movement within England. "
Wash your bloody mouth out; its us "greens" - the Scottish Green Party that wants Independence, the SNP are only backing us
come on the greens  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us.Really yet you have no interest in preserving Cornish culture and language.Hardly working togeather.If you dont want to celebrate Cornish culture and prefer a mono english culture.Then thats dictating what cultural landscape you wish to see on this island.
How would an English scientist.work with a scientist who only spoke Cornish? They couldn't work together. How could a Cornish only speaking architect work with an only English speaking builder? What units of measurement do the cornish use?
So no, different languages make it much more difficult to communicate and to work together. I'm not particularly intereted in a mono English culture, English has bad parts of its culture as well as bad. I prefer world culture, taking the best that all cultures have, and working together to make the world a better place."
Most fluent cornish speakers are also english speakers.Units of measurements are the same.So if you like world cultures why not be positive and encouraging about one on your doorstep.Or do we only want tocelebrate indian or thai and any other cultures.Allowing an ancient language and culture on this island to become extinct is the same as selling Stonehenge to America.It's criminal. Culture should be preserved. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Mebyon Kernow does not want to separate from the UK like the Scottish National Party does, but does want to be seen as its own nation, with a legislative assembly similar to the Scottish Parliament.Cornwall has the strongest independence movement within England.
Wash your bloody mouth out; its us "greens" - the Scottish Green Party that wants Independence, the SNP are only backing us
come on the greens "
Ive always voted green.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us.Really yet you have no interest in preserving Cornish culture and language.Hardly working togeather.If you dont want to celebrate Cornish culture and prefer a mono english culture.Then thats dictating what cultural landscape you wish to see on this island.
How would an English scientist.work with a scientist who only spoke Cornish? They couldn't work together. How could a Cornish only speaking architect work with an only English speaking builder? What units of measurement do the cornish use?
So no, different languages make it much more difficult to communicate and to work together. I'm not particularly intereted in a mono English culture, English has bad parts of its culture as well as bad. I prefer world culture, taking the best that all cultures have, and working together to make the world a better place.Most fluent cornish speakers are also english speakers.Units of measurements are the same.So if you like world cultures why not be positive and encouraging about one on your doorstep.Or do we only want tocelebrate indian or thai and any other cultures.Allowing an ancient language and culture on this island to become extinct is the same as selling Stonehenge to America.It's criminal. Culture should be preserved."
Maybe if you had carried out human rights interviews on woman who have been r@ped for speaking the wrong language in the wrong place you would better understand the atrocities that can be caused by language. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Mebyon Kernow does not want to separate from the UK like the Scottish National Party does, but does want to be seen as its own nation, with a legislative assembly similar to the Scottish Parliament.Cornwall has the strongest independence movement within England.
Wash your bloody mouth out; its us "greens" - the Scottish Green Party that wants Independence, the SNP are only backing us
come on the greens Ive always voted green.. "
ahhh, then you back our fight for independence comrade  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us..
Even as a proud welshman.
I cant fault your logicShould we let the Welsh language die.Would you not consider as a proud Welshman only 500 fluent cornish speakers a cultural loss and something worth preserving. "
.
Thats a tricky question, it almost did die until it was Reintroduced in welsh schools, even today very few welsh people speak welsh, although to be fair we all speak modern welsh not middle welsh or old welsh no different than the English no longer speak old English.
Language evolves and i dont think its possible to stop evolution no matter how hard you try |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us..
Even as a proud welshman.
I cant fault your logicShould we let the Welsh language die.Would you not consider as a proud Welshman only 500 fluent cornish speakers a cultural loss and something worth preserving. .
Thats a tricky question, it almost did die until it was Reintroduced in welsh schools, even today very few welsh people speak welsh, although to be fair we all speak modern welsh not middle welsh or old welsh no different than the English no longer speak old English.
Language evolves and i dont think its possible to stop evolution no matter how hard you try"
I am all for the evolution of language.If Welsh was a dead language today it would be a cultural loss for your people.Would it not. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us..
Even as a proud welshman.
I cant fault your logicShould we let the Welsh language die.Would you not consider as a proud Welshman only 500 fluent cornish speakers a cultural loss and something worth preserving. .
Thats a tricky question, it almost did die until it was Reintroduced in welsh schools, even today very few welsh people speak welsh, although to be fair we all speak modern welsh not middle welsh or old welsh no different than the English no longer speak old English.
Language evolves and i dont think its possible to stop evolution no matter how hard you tryI am all for the evolution of language.If Welsh was a dead language today it would be a cultural loss for your people.Would it not."
.
Absolutely, unfortunately its impossible to keep it forever while English dominates proceedings.
Multiculturalism? has bad things and good things |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
a language only lives if people find it useful, we can all be nostalgic, but when does that merit making people want to speak a language? I get nostalgia, but I don't want to bring typewriters back, but if people want to use them fair enough. It just doesnt merit a claim for independence... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"a language only lives if people find it useful, we can all be nostalgic, but when does that merit making people want to speak a language? I get nostalgia, but I don't want to bring typewriters back, but if people want to use them fair enough. It just doesnt merit a claim for independence..."
It's a language and therefore it is useful in and of itself. It's good to encourage people to leaern other languages, or speak one inherent to a region. The Brythonic languages are inextricably linked to our history. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Why on earth is 'independence' seen as a good thing!? Do we really want local councillors making important decisions? I just don't get it Cornwall is a historic Celtic nation, with its own language, distinct culture and Mebyon Kernow have for a long time had the view and policy that we need a federated UK with a devolved assembly for Cornwall to protect this inheritance.
Sorry, I believe in working together, breaking down barriers and celebrating what unites us, not what divides us.Really yet you have no interest in preserving Cornish culture and language.Hardly working togeather.If you dont want to celebrate Cornish culture and prefer a mono english culture.Then thats dictating what cultural landscape you wish to see on this island.
How would an English scientist.work with a scientist who only spoke Cornish? They couldn't work together. How could a Cornish only speaking architect work with an only English speaking builder? What units of measurement do the cornish use?
So no, different languages make it much more difficult to communicate and to work together. I'm not particularly intereted in a mono English culture, English has bad parts of its culture as well as bad. I prefer world culture, taking the best that all cultures have, and working together to make the world a better place.Most fluent cornish speakers are also english speakers.Units of measurements are the same.So if you like world cultures why not be positive and encouraging about one on your doorstep.Or do we only want tocelebrate indian or thai and any other cultures.Allowing an ancient language and culture on this island to become extinct is the same as selling Stonehenge to America.It's criminal. Culture should be preserved.
Maybe if you had carried out human rights interviews on woman who have been r@ped for speaking the wrong language in the wrong place you would better understand the atrocities that can be caused by language. "
Langusges do not cause them, people do.
What's your solution, by the way? That the whole world abandon all language that isn't English? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
inward migration .... people don't generally don't give a fuck until wealthier people price their children out ouf their own locality ... then it's often too late |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"& what did the Romans ever do for us... 
Paper - oh no that was the Chinese
Gun-powder! - oops Chinese
Sky lanterns - ahhh Chinese
Fk what did the Romans do for us?"
The internet? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
25% of Welsh people speak Welsh and in the heartlands of the language it's often been 70-80% of the population. In some areas it's a vital part of community and life, in others not.
Is 500,000 people "very few"?
It's hugely political of course and there are issues around preservation/promotion/attitudes of course - I've experienced them at first hand.
Some of that does stem from some pretty discriminatory policies/attitudes going back in time though.
I'm a bit torn regarding Cornwall though. Independence seems a ludicrous idea, but cultural diversity needs to be celebrated.
They did vote "out" though, An interesting decision for an area that received so much EU support.
I like CLCC's idea of focusing on things that draw us together, not apart. I've long thought part of the problems we face today are from a shameful lack of knowledge of the real history and cultural diversity of the constituent parts of the UK. That goes for a Welsh person knowing about England, Scotland or NI, as much as the other way around.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"inward migration .... people don't generally don't give a fuck until wealthier people price their children out ouf their own locality ... then it's often too late"
.
This was the big problem where i was born.
Theres so much more money here now than thirty years ago and its been good for jobs but it also has striped the islands identity, its still heavily welsh speaking but for how long?.
With change comes change we dont like and sure were fighting it but is it inevitable that we will eventually lose.
You could argue that Cornish and welsh are the last bastions of language left from the Roman and Norman invasions, all the little corners and valleys that got cut off and left alone kept their cultural identities.
As for very few, lets see what the English say when only 25% of England speaks English |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"inward migration .... people don't generally don't give a fuck until wealthier people price their children out ouf their own locality ... then it's often too late.
This was the big problem where i was born.
Theres so much more money here now than thirty years ago and its been good for jobs but it also has striped the islands identity, its still heavily welsh speaking but for how long?.
With change comes change we dont like and sure were fighting it but is it inevitable that we will eventually lose.
You could argue that Cornish and welsh are the last bastions of language left from the Roman and Norman invasions, all the little corners and valleys that got cut off and left alone kept their cultural identities.
As for very few, lets see what the English say when only 25% of England speaks English"
you need to get off ynys môn more often .... welsh culture is a growing concern ... sy'n newyddion gwych |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"inward migration .... people don't generally don't give a fuck until wealthier people price their children out ouf their own locality ... then it's often too late.
This was the big problem where i was born.
Theres so much more money here now than thirty years ago and its been good for jobs but it also has striped the islands identity, its still heavily welsh speaking but for how long?.
With change comes change we dont like and sure were fighting it but is it inevitable that we will eventually lose.
You could argue that Cornish and welsh are the last bastions of language left from the Roman and Norman invasions, all the little corners and valleys that got cut off and left alone kept their cultural identities.
As for very few, lets see what the English say when only 25% of England speaks English
you need to get off ynys môn more often .... welsh culture is a growing concern ... sy'n newyddion gwych "
.
I get off angelsey nearly every day actually, twenty years ago i used to drive everyday to England for work, thats part of the point i was making about money coming to angelsey being good!
But with good things come bad things as well |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"inward migration .... people don't generally don't give a fuck until wealthier people price their children out ouf their own locality ... then it's often too late.
This was the big problem where i was born.
Theres so much more money here now than thirty years ago and its been good for jobs but it also has striped the islands identity, its still heavily welsh speaking but for how long?.
With change comes change we dont like and sure were fighting it but is it inevitable that we will eventually lose.
You could argue that Cornish and welsh are the last bastions of language left from the Roman and Norman invasions, all the little corners and valleys that got cut off and left alone kept their cultural identities.
As for very few, lets see what the English say when only 25% of England speaks English
you need to get off ynys môn more often .... welsh culture is a growing concern ... sy'n newyddion gwych .
I get off angelsey nearly every day actually, twenty years ago i used to drive everyday to England for work, thats part of the point i was making about money coming to angelsey being good!
But with good things come bad things as well"
going to bangor doesn't count |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"inward migration .... people don't generally don't give a fuck until wealthier people price their children out ouf their own locality ... then it's often too late.
This was the big problem where i was born.
Theres so much more money here now than thirty years ago and its been good for jobs but it also has striped the islands identity, its still heavily welsh speaking but for how long?.
With change comes change we dont like and sure were fighting it but is it inevitable that we will eventually lose.
You could argue that Cornish and welsh are the last bastions of language left from the Roman and Norman invasions, all the little corners and valleys that got cut off and left alone kept their cultural identities.
As for very few, lets see what the English say when only 25% of England speaks English
you need to get off ynys môn more often .... welsh culture is a growing concern ... sy'n newyddion gwych .
I get off angelsey nearly every day actually, twenty years ago i used to drive everyday to England for work, thats part of the point i was making about money coming to angelsey being good!
But with good things come bad things as well
going to bangor doesn't count "
To quote the chart topping folk song, "he had a wonderful time" when he did |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Bangor is like new York for us.
All them skyscrapers 
ha!
wait til you see colwyn bae .... you'll shit your pants with the excitement"
I used to work in Newport and we had a young woman (19-20 yrs old) work with us as a work placement for long term unemployed, she had to work for us for 5 days a week, but still only got her job seekers allowance of around £70 a week. I said to her "why dont you get a job in Cardiff if you can't find a job in Newport. There are loads of jobs in Cardiff", Cardiff being around 12 minutes away by train. She said "oh no I couldn't work in Cardiff, a big city like that is not safe for a young girl like me" |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Bangor is like new York for us.
All them skyscrapers
ha!
wait til you see colwyn bae .... you'll shit your pants with the excitement"
.
no go muslim zones?
Fuck you wanna see what the english have done to prestatyn |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
St Ives voted by 83% to ban second-home owners buying any new-build developments. This groundswell of defiance was picked up by two more of Cornwall’s most popular destinations on the south coast: the historic town of Fowey and picturesque fishing port of Mevagissey. Both towns followed St Ives’s example by including similar proposals in their own draft neighbourhood plans. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"St Ives voted by 83% to ban second-home owners buying any new-build developments. This groundswell of defiance was picked up by two more of Cornwall’s most popular destinations on the south coast: the historic town of Fowey and picturesque fishing port of Mevagissey. Both towns followed St Ives’s example by including similar proposals in their own draft neighbourhood plans. "
But will any new builds be in the price bracket of most Cornish people?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"St Ives voted by 83% to ban second-home owners buying any new-build developments. This groundswell of defiance was picked up by two more of Cornwall’s most popular destinations on the south coast: the historic town of Fowey and picturesque fishing port of Mevagissey. Both towns followed St Ives’s example by including similar proposals in their own draft neighbourhood plans.
But will any new builds be in the price bracket of most Cornish people?
"
The average price in St ives is £325,000.So the market is beyond most locals already.What they need is social housing only for local people.The town is already 50% second homes.I know how this feels as i live in a harbour town and my neighbours either side are second homes only occupied 3 or 4 weeks a year.These people are driving up property prices at an unsustainable rate for locals.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"St Ives voted by 83% to ban second-home owners buying any new-build developments. This groundswell of defiance was picked up by two more of Cornwall’s most popular destinations on the south coast: the historic town of Fowey and picturesque fishing port of Mevagissey. Both towns followed St Ives’s example by including similar proposals in their own draft neighbourhood plans.
But will any new builds be in the price bracket of most Cornish people?
The average price in St ives is £325,000.So the market is beyond most locals already.What they need is social housing only for local people.The town is already 50% second homes.I know how this feels as i live in a harbour town and my neighbours either side are second homes only occupied 3 or 4 weeks a year.These people are driving up property prices at an unsustainable rate for locals.
"
such is life, you should consider yourself lucky you have peace and quiet on each side of you for 48 weeks a year
When you put your home up for sale are you going to insist its not for sale to 2nd home owners |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
With less than 500 fluent cornish speakers left.The language is on the edge of extinction.Is it time for independence to protect Cornish culture and language as Westminster neglects Cornwall and has cut the funding of cornish culture and language .This wouldn't be accepted in wales and Scotland.In 2014 the Cornish were recognised as a minority."
I wondered if this would pop up Find by me as long as England gets its Independance !
I may be wrong but I think their was a Cornish uprising in medieval times |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Let the language die, same for other languages, they shouldn't need life support. So why does the BBC broadcast in gaelic and Welsh.Seems they are happy to support other languages.Maybe because they see the cornish as English."
Maybe indeed
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"FREEDOM FOR YORKSHIRE!
I want us to return to being the Kingdom of Jorvik and ally ourselves with our Scandinavian brothers.
:P
"
hmmm I like the sound of that |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"St Ives voted by 83% to ban second-home owners buying any new-build developments. This groundswell of defiance was picked up by two more of Cornwall’s most popular destinations on the south coast: the historic town of Fowey and picturesque fishing port of Mevagissey. Both towns followed St Ives’s example by including similar proposals in their own draft neighbourhood plans.
But will any new builds be in the price bracket of most Cornish people?
The average price in St ives is £325,000.So the market is beyond most locals already.What they need is social housing only for local people.The town is already 50% second homes.I know how this feels as i live in a harbour town and my neighbours either side are second homes only occupied 3 or 4 weeks a year.These people are driving up property prices at an unsustainable rate for locals.
such is life, you should consider yourself lucky you have peace and quiet on each side of you for 48 weeks a year
When you put your home up for sale are you going to insist its not for sale to 2nd home owners "
It'll be sold when i die unless the kids keep it who knows so not for awhile i hope.I would prefer a local family over tourists.Id hate to see where i live becoming a ghost town in winter and Kensington by the sea in summer.Such is life and i would honestly prefer neighbours with families. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"
With less than 500 fluent cornish speakers left.The language is on the edge of extinction.Is it time for independence to protect Cornish culture and language as Westminster neglects Cornwall and has cut the funding of cornish culture and language .This wouldn't be accepted in wales and Scotland.In 2014 the Cornish were recognised as a minority. I wondered if this would pop up Find by me as long as England gets its Independance !
I may be wrong but I think their was a Cornish uprising in medieval times "
Cornwall was never in England. Its a duchy not a county. An uprising is need.I think I'd start by changing all signs into Cornish and double council tax and stamp duty for 2nd homes. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"FREEDOM FOR YORKSHIRE!
I want us to return to being the Kingdom of Jorvik and ally ourselves with our Scandinavian brothers.
:P
hmmm I like the sound of that "
You should join the Yorkshire independence party.The YIPS.They have some great policies.
Offer free Yorkshire puddings to old age pensioners.
Remove VAT for flat caps.
Impose tariff barriers on Southern beer and Lancashire Hot Pot.
Campaign for whippet racing and Coal carrying to becoming Olympic sports.
Make Yorkshire dialect compulsory learning in schools. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"FREEDOM FOR YORKSHIRE!
I want us to return to being the Kingdom of Jorvik and ally ourselves with our Scandinavian brothers.
:P
hmmm I like the sound of that You should join the Yorkshire independence party.The YIPS.They have some great policies.
Offer free Yorkshire puddings to old age pensioners.
Remove VAT for flat caps.
Impose tariff barriers on Southern beer and Lancashire Hot Pot.
Campaign for whippet racing and Coal carrying to becoming Olympic sports.
Make Yorkshire dialect compulsory learning in schools. "
lol Snag is we have 4 Yorkshires North , South , East and West |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"FREEDOM FOR YORKSHIRE!
I want us to return to being the Kingdom of Jorvik and ally ourselves with our Scandinavian brothers.
:P
hmmm I like the sound of that You should join the Yorkshire independence party.The YIPS.They have some great policies.
Offer free Yorkshire puddings to old age pensioners.
Remove VAT for flat caps.
Impose tariff barriers on Southern beer and Lancashire Hot Pot.
Campaign for whippet racing and Coal carrying to becoming Olympic sports.
Make Yorkshire dialect compulsory learning in schools. "
...so you don't live in Bournemouth, Dorset then? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Cornwall will be economically wiped out anyway, once the EU subsidiaries stop."
The government has promised to match EU funding til 2020.Which isnt good considering we leave the EU in 2019.Who knows after 2020 what will happen.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Cornwall will be economically wiped out anyway, once the EU subsidiaries stop.The government has promised to match EU funding til 2020.Which isnt good considering we leave the EU in 2019.Who knows after 2020 what will happen."
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the government to bail you out, post 2020.
Of all the regions in the UK that voted to leave the EU, Cornwall was probably the most puzzling! Neglected by successive governments for generations and yet recognised by Europe as is dire need of funding...go figure! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british."
The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
And how do you think you'd manage without them? My daughter and her family moved down there a few years ago but it wasn't because it was the land of plenty. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british.The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over."
So why should 14% of the county be able to force 86% of the county to leave the UK then? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british.The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over.
So why should 14% of the county be able to force 86% of the county to leave the UK then?"
Nobody is forcing anyone .The other 86% might also want to leave the UK If they get the option to vote.Why dont we ask them after brexit. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british.The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over."
The Cornish are English, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british.The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over.
The Cornish are English, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous "
You'd think so Their duke is the heir to the throne FFS!
Though where they're going to find any money from, apart from seasonal tourism, post 2020 is debatable. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!"
People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british.The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over.
The Cornish are English, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous "
The Cornish are recognised as a minority by Westminster and the EU. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"They didn't even have the standby position of immigration to deal with, as over 95% of the population identified as white/british.The cornish are the minority in Cornwall.In the 2011 census only 72,000 identified themselves as having a cornish national identity.Which is 14%.The english immigrants have already taken over.
The Cornish are English, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous The Cornish are recognised as a minority by Westminster and the EU. "
That doesn't make Cornwall a country though.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up."
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
if cornwall is indeed a part of england then the cornish language is a valuable part of englands culture and heritage. why then is no effort being made to help englands culture and heritage flourish? seems daft letting it go to the wall to be honest. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!"
See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment. "
Well, I only know about 10 people (excluding my daughter and her family) that live in Cornwall and they're English immigrants that voted to remain, as they weren't stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them (literally, in some cases, given the levels of poverty).
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Are you by any chance Cornish yourself Bob?"
I dont live in Cornwall i live up the coast in dorset my grandmother was fluent and 100% Cornish.I have family in Cornwall that speak a little .My grandmother was the last fluent speaker in my family.I am part Cornish by ancestry not location. Still she'd want me to speak up about her language being lost. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment.
Well, I only know about 10 people (excluding my daughter and her family) that live in Cornwall and they're English immigrants that voted to remain, as they weren't stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them (literally, in some cases, given the levels of poverty).
"
So you know nobody who is Cornish or speak the language didn't know they were a minority group and want the language to die .Thanks for the clarifications . |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment.
Well, I only know about 10 people (excluding my daughter and her family) that live in Cornwall and they're English immigrants that voted to remain, as they weren't stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them (literally, in some cases, given the levels of poverty).
So you know nobody who is Cornish or speak the language didn't know they were a minority group and want the language to die .Thanks for the clarifications . "
My daughter lives in Bude, you're lucky to find anyone that's not from Worcestershire or the West Midlands that lives in Bude, so it's highly unlikely I'd meet anyone Cornish there, unless they were friends of family.
Also, have I ever stated that I 'wish' the language to die? I merely pointed out the stupidity of leaving the very organisation that was providing the funding to prevent the Cornish heritage dying out (amongst other, more pressing matters of finance).
Apart from giving your gran a shoutout for being Cornish and speaking the language, what exactly are you doing to preserve it?
And in terms of education and funding the Cornish economy, I'd say my daughter and son-in-law (both teachers and avid Cornwallphiles) were probably contributing more than a Cornish ex-pat.
So, about this clarification...
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"Are you by any chance Cornish yourself Bob?I dont live in Cornwall i live up the coast in dorset my grandmother was fluent and 100% Cornish.I have family in Cornwall that speak a little .My grandmother was the last fluent speaker in my family.I am part Cornish by ancestry not location. Still she'd want me to speak up about her language being lost."
Then if you are Cornish or part Cornish you will be aware that the majority of young Cornish people never return to Cornwall to live and work after completing university, because they have freedom of choice, and the sense to realise that like great swathes of Devon the county offers little else but tourism as an income.
Calls for independence within Cornwall generally come from dreamers, middle aged hippies, and fantasists.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment. "
.
The REAL Cornish?
ENGLISH immigrant
I thought this was 2017? Not 1066. Im really African if you go back far enough, when do we let go of this? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment. .
The REAL Cornish?
ENGLISH immigrant
I thought this was 2017? Not 1066. Im really African if you go back far enough, when do we let go of this?"
When the last fluent cornish speaker dies its over.Same for the welsh.We can all be called enlish then. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment. .
The REAL Cornish?
ENGLISH immigrant
I thought this was 2017? Not 1066. Im really African if you go back far enough, when do we let go of this?When the last fluent cornish speaker dies its over.Same for the welsh.We can all be called enlish then. "
.
Or European |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"As for the language dying out, the closest analogy I can think of is an interview I saw recently with a zoologist who questioned why so much effort goes into preventing the extinction of the panda when they seem to have no natural inclination to not become extinct anyway!People like to preserve fluffy animals with big eyes.I have no issue with the panda going extinct.Nobody cared about the Yangtze river dolphins which joined the dinosaurs 10 years ago.
Regarding Cornwall plenty of cornish speakers would like help preserving their language.Only this month did a EU report point out Westminster failing the Cornish.After 2020 watch what happens when the money dries up.
So an EU report pointed out how Westminster had failed Cornwall, yet Cornwall voted to leave the EU (by a margin somewhat greater than the national average) and you still don't get the panda analogy!See above only 14% are cornish and speak cornish the rest are english so which way did the real Cornish vote?.The cornish make efforts to preserve culture and language the panda is shit at planting bamboo and protecting its environment. .
The REAL Cornish?
ENGLISH immigrant
I thought this was 2017? Not 1066. Im really African if you go back far enough, when do we let go of this?When the last fluent cornish speaker dies its over.Same for the welsh.We can all be called enlish then. .
Or European"
Or just human. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?"
Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
In the last 50 years while the world has been "coming together" were getting more countries not less, have you noticed that were actually reversing hundreds of years of coming together in to coming apart? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. "
.
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!"
One of my other daughter's studied at Cardiff University and lived with 6 Welsh girls, one of whom could speak a smattering of Welsh but were all fiercely full of Welsh pride, the two aren't mutually exclusive, and I imagine the same goes for Cornwall. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!"
So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?"
.
Why are you trying to set me at odds with the English?
I speak welsh,i dont have kids to pass it on to, however my nephews speak welsh, its a language that weve used for thousands of years to communicate, theres been loads of versions of it because language like us evolves, it evolved through immigration which was small a thousand years ago, now immigration is quick and wide scale it will evolve again, as long as its natural and not enforced i really couldnt give a shit what happens to it |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?.
Why are you trying to set me at odds with the English?
I speak welsh,i dont have kids to pass it on to, however my nephews speak welsh, its a language that weve used for thousands of years to communicate, theres been loads of versions of it because language like us evolves, it evolved through immigration which was small a thousand years ago, now immigration is quick and wide scale it will evolve again, as long as its natural and not enforced i really couldnt give a shit what happens to it"
Im all for evolution of language. Nobody here could read old english.English is not a dead language its an evolved language.Cornish will be dead this century or sooner.Devolution in Cornwall may or may nor prevent this happening but its worth a go.The welsh did it why not let Cornwall have full devolution. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Devolution, seriously? How the fuck do you intend financing that? Well, not you, you moved to Dorset, I'm guessing probably for financial reasons, if we're going to get down to brass tacks. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Devolution, seriously? How the fuck do you intend financing that? Well, not you, you moved to Dorset, I'm guessing probably for financial reasons, if we're going to get down to brass tacks."
Ad hominem attacks make your post redundant.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Devolution, seriously? How the fuck do you intend financing that? Well, not you, you moved to Dorset, I'm guessing probably for financial reasons, if we're going to get down to brass tacks.Ad hominem attacks make your post redundant."
I made no attacks, I asked a question and stated a fact. You don't live in the county that you're making a stand for. Why not, if not for financial reasons. And if it's for financial reasons, you'd realise why devolution was such a terrible idea, especially just to save an ancient language that hasn't developed enough to have a place in modern society, if we're going to stop being sentimental about a language. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"Devolution, seriously? How the fuck do you intend financing that? Well, not you, you moved to Dorset, I'm guessing probably for financial reasons, if we're going to get down to brass tacks.Ad hominem attacks make your post redundant."
That's not an attack it's a very valid point, you chose to move out of Cornwall, in the very same way that as I pointed out earlier thousands of younger Cornish have chosen to do, I'm not knocking you for moving to better yourself financially....but please spare us the very thin veil of care you show for the county or you would still be there.
Cornwall is a lovely part of the country but it has very little else going for it.....and I think you know it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?.
Why are you trying to set me at odds with the English?
I speak welsh,i dont have kids to pass it on to, however my nephews speak welsh, its a language that weve used for thousands of years to communicate, theres been loads of versions of it because language like us evolves, it evolved through immigration which was small a thousand years ago, now immigration is quick and wide scale it will evolve again, as long as its natural and not enforced i really couldnt give a shit what happens to itIm all for evolution of language. Nobody here could read old english.English is not a dead language its an evolved language.Cornish will be dead this century or sooner.Devolution in Cornwall may or may nor prevent this happening but its worth a go.The welsh did it why not let Cornwall have full devolution. "
.
You missed my point entirely, Welsh is spoke less today than ten years ago, when i was a kid it wasnt uncommon for about 50% of angelsey who couldnt speak English today its practically unheard of, our guy nailed it when he said once the population of angelsey gets around 50% immigrant the native tongue simply dies slowly, there will be a fair few languages dying over the next 100 years including English if it makes you weep less |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?.
Why are you trying to set me at odds with the English?
I speak welsh,i dont have kids to pass it on to, however my nephews speak welsh, its a language that weve used for thousands of years to communicate, theres been loads of versions of it because language like us evolves, it evolved through immigration which was small a thousand years ago, now immigration is quick and wide scale it will evolve again, as long as its natural and not enforced i really couldnt give a shit what happens to itIm all for evolution of language. Nobody here could read old english.English is not a dead language its an evolved language.Cornish will be dead this century or sooner.Devolution in Cornwall may or may nor prevent this happening but its worth a go.The welsh did it why not let Cornwall have full devolution. .
You missed my point entirely, Welsh is spoke less today than ten years ago, when i was a kid it wasnt uncommon for about 50% of angelsey who couldnt speak English today its practically unheard of, our guy nailed it when he said once the population of angelsey gets around 50% immigrant the native tongue simply dies slowly, there will be a fair few languages dying over the next 100 years including English if it makes you weep less"
English will be relplaced by what ? Mandarin? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?.
Why are you trying to set me at odds with the English?
I speak welsh,i dont have kids to pass it on to, however my nephews speak welsh, its a language that weve used for thousands of years to communicate, theres been loads of versions of it because language like us evolves, it evolved through immigration which was small a thousand years ago, now immigration is quick and wide scale it will evolve again, as long as its natural and not enforced i really couldnt give a shit what happens to itIm all for evolution of language. Nobody here could read old english.English is not a dead language its an evolved language.Cornish will be dead this century or sooner.Devolution in Cornwall may or may nor prevent this happening but its worth a go.The welsh did it why not let Cornwall have full devolution. .
You missed my point entirely, Welsh is spoke less today than ten years ago, when i was a kid it wasnt uncommon for about 50% of angelsey who couldnt speak English today its practically unheard of, our guy nailed it when he said once the population of angelsey gets around 50% immigrant the native tongue simply dies slowly, there will be a fair few languages dying over the next 100 years including English if it makes you weep lessEnglish will be relplaced by what ? Mandarin? "
.
Who knows, could be Russian but more than likely American |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?.
Why are you trying to set me at odds with the English?
I speak welsh,i dont have kids to pass it on to, however my nephews speak welsh, its a language that weve used for thousands of years to communicate, theres been loads of versions of it because language like us evolves, it evolved through immigration which was small a thousand years ago, now immigration is quick and wide scale it will evolve again, as long as its natural and not enforced i really couldnt give a shit what happens to itIm all for evolution of language. Nobody here could read old english.English is not a dead language its an evolved language.Cornish will be dead this century or sooner.Devolution in Cornwall may or may nor prevent this happening but its worth a go.The welsh did it why not let Cornwall have full devolution. .
You missed my point entirely, Welsh is spoke less today than ten years ago, when i was a kid it wasnt uncommon for about 50% of angelsey who couldnt speak English today its practically unheard of, our guy nailed it when he said once the population of angelsey gets around 50% immigrant the native tongue simply dies slowly, there will be a fair few languages dying over the next 100 years including English if it makes you weep lessEnglish will be relplaced by what ? Mandarin? .
Who knows, could be Russian but more than likely American "
It would be a shame to loose English .But only for the last fluent speakers. My money would be on Mandarin. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
No, of course not, Cornish DID become extinct - a lady called Dolly Pentreath from Mousehole being the last to use it as her native tongue.
There have been various societies for the reintroduction of Cornish, even to the extent of trying to impose it within the curriculum.
I go back many generations in Cornwall, I am proud to be a Cornishman, the Cornish are generally VERY proud (quite rightly) of their country and we are very welcoming. I know (probably) thousands of Cornish folk and I don't know one who wants any form of independence from England.
Throughout Cornwall there are friendly (ish) rivalries between neighbouring towns/villages - Camborne don't like Redruth, Hayle don't like St Ives, Flushing don't like Mylor and so on, BUT - when Cornwall are away in the rugby, then they're all there together best of mates, and if England are playing then we all get behind them! If team GB are in the Olympics...... And so on you get the drift.
Sadly there is A VERY SMALL group who do harp on about a special case politically but to be honest most of us think they're cranks.
If people want to learn Cornish in their own time and at their own expense, brilliant, but I,and most true Cornishman I know, don't want their taxes squandered on it ......Ooh er... Have I gone a bit far there?
Just didn't want all you lovely English folk to think we're all weirdos.xx |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I love Cornwall I go every year .
Bloody hell, and I thought I had to travel a long way to visit my daughter there!"
12 hours it took last year too drive. Was a accident,then a traffic jam .but it was worth the drive . |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I love Cornwall I go every year .
Bloody hell, and I thought I had to travel a long way to visit my daughter there!
12 hours it took last year too drive. Was a accident,then a traffic jam .but it was worth the drive . "
9 is our record, for 240 miles! 5 of those stuck between J23 and J24 of the M5! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Can anyone remember in Padstow there was a old house opposite the harbour , a elderly women used to live there .I was young at the time and remember her shouting out the window at everyone. She used to throw things at the seaguls, Bless her . |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I've only been to Padstow since it became Padstein...they wouldn't tolerate that sort of thing now"
That was before he took over .spoilt it is think , his shop is ridiculous high priced kitchen stuff just cause name on box . |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I've only been to Padstow since it became Padstein...they wouldn't tolerate that sort of thing now
That was before he took over .spoilt it is think , his shop is ridiculous high priced kitchen stuff just cause name on box . "
However, he probably saved the town, economically, just a shame that he robbed it of a soul at the same time. The first time I went wad many years ago with my ex-wife when he was just making a name for himself. It's unrecognisable now. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *oyce69Man
over a year ago
Driffield |
"I must have missed that legislation that prohibits you or anybody else in Cornwall from speaking Cornish?Its about recognition of the cornish identity and promoting the language as has happened in wales. .
No Welsh was pushed out many decades ago by English rule, that was overturnned in the 90s when welsh was given equal parity with English, however it seems despite all the extra measures welsh is spoken less today than ten years ago, its called modern life, people move from here to there and there to here, its a losing battle in the long run unless the Welsh assembly makes it compulsory that only Welsh can be spoken in Wales!So if welsh becomes a dead language would the English shed a tear? What about you.?"
When my late wife started school in Morriston in the 50s she could only speak Welsh but was made to speak English so one can only assume that after a generation or two the local dialect was best part lost. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Haha, I don't know who Bude don't get on with - Bude is 'up county's to me!"
Probably somewhere in Devon, it's that close
We only pass the 'Welcome to Cornwall' sign about 3 miles before their house! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
That's right, could it possibly slip into a Devcorn constituency if the proposed boundary changes come to be?
(I like the spoof road sign
WELCOME TO CORNWALL
Sorry you had to drive through Devon to get here!) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"That's right, could it possibly slip into a Devcorn constituency if the proposed boundary changes come to be?
(I like the spoof road sign
WELCOME TO CORNWALL
Sorry you had to drive through Devon to get here!)"
Ha, they'll move further south if it does, I imagine! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
