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If Brexit goes wrong, can the UK re-apply to rejoin the EU
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"I don't expect things will go wrong, "
Are you kidding me? If this was in the hands of our finest minds, with a well thought out stategy already carefully worked out after a couple of years detailed planning, it would still be a tall order, but maybe we could get something not too much worse or different to where we are now overall and better in some aspects.
But with this bunch of incompetent loons who are big on rhetoric, short on competence, dilligence, facts and hard work trying to wing it in less than two years we have fucking no chance! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't expect things will go wrong,
Are you kidding me? If this was in the hands of our finest minds, with a well thought out stategy already carefully worked out after a couple of years detailed planning, it would still be a tall order, but maybe we could get something not too much worse or different to where we are now overall and better in some aspects.
But with this bunch of incompetent loons who are big on rhetoric, short on competence, dilligence, facts and hard work trying to wing it in less than two years we have fucking no chance!"
Whether we voted remain or leave, we need to put that to one side now as we have been told by May that we (the UK) are headed in one direction only and that we will leave the EU
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so what I meant with my initial post was that say 3 or 4 years down the line, we all find we made a drastic mistake,
okay some already believe that, but if we all agree and find we have made this mistake, can we as the UK re-apply to join the EU again
perhaps also eat humble pie, but can we re-apply or is this a one way ticket out |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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We could certainly apply, but I don't think we would get to keep our rebate! We would probably have to eat humble pie, there might be a number of limitations put on our veto etc. |
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There would be nothing stopping the UK from rejoining. The EUs preferred outcome is obviously that the UK changes its mind but apart from that it would prefer the UK rejoin because either of those 2 options would kill the movement of the alt right to disband the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Which political party would lead us back in ?.At present we are looking at many years of tory rule maybe a decade and without coherent opposition at present . Do think the tories will eat humble pie.No they will keep flogging the brexit horse til it dies.Let's hope it goes well because you'll be lucky to find a politician who admits they were wrong while in power. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now..
Would that be a bad thing?"
Um... no it would always be better to have a worse deal than before  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now..
Would that be a bad thing?
Um... no it would always be better to have a worse deal than before "
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Maybe but then maybe its more about the lesson you learn than the money you make, maybe its about both.
Do you think the person who went into business and never went bankrupt learnt as much as the person who went bankrupt twice before making it succeed? Maybe they made more after some failure than without it, it seems only failure drives change in this world at times |
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"There would be nothing stopping the UK from rejoining. The EUs preferred outcome is obviously that the UK changes its mind but apart from that it would prefer the UK rejoin because either of those 2 options would kill the movement of the alt right to disband the EU."
unless of course Scotland gains Independence and manages to join the EU before the "rest of the UK" decides how wrong they were!!!
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Just imagine Scotland putting a block on "the rest of the UK" from re-joining in years to come
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but of course Scotland would not do that, not even after what Mrs May said to the Scottish MP's today in Parliament,
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or would they  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"There would be nothing stopping the UK from rejoining. The EUs preferred outcome is obviously that the UK changes its mind but apart from that it would prefer the UK rejoin because either of those 2 options would kill the movement of the alt right to disband the EU.
unless of course Scotland gains Independence and manages to join the EU before the "rest of the UK" decides how wrong they were!!!
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Just imagine Scotland putting a block on "the rest of the UK" from re-joining in years to come
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but of course Scotland would not do that, not even after what Mrs May said to the Scottish MP's today in Parliament,
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or would they "
I wouldn't be surprised! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"There would be nothing stopping the UK from rejoining. The EUs preferred outcome is obviously that the UK changes its mind but apart from that it would prefer the UK rejoin because either of those 2 options would kill the movement of the alt right to disband the EU.
unless of course Scotland gains Independence and manages to join the EU before the "rest of the UK" decides how wrong they were!!!
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Just imagine Scotland putting a block on "the rest of the UK" from re-joining in years to come
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but of course Scotland would not do that, not even after what Mrs May said to the Scottish MP's today in Parliament,
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or would they
I wouldn't be surprised! "
I didn't want to stick that little bit in the OP, thought I would wait a little  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"once Article 50 is triggered there is no going back as far as I understand. . .The process can't be reversed.
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that wasn't the question i don't think .... i think he means a new application afetr the regression is done and dusted ... as apposed to putting the brakes on the process when it's part way through |
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over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now."
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling. "
You mean like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
You mean like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden?"
Bulgaria, croatia, czech republic, denmark, hungary, poland, _omania, sweden, do not have the euro, they got their own moneys. |
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Whether we voted remain or leave, we need to put that to one side now as we have been told by May that we (the UK) are headed in one direction only and that we will leave the EU
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I don't accept that. It is far from over, this fight. In fact it is only just beginning properly. You should not give up so easily, two years is a very long time. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"There would be nothing stopping the UK from rejoining. The EUs preferred outcome is obviously that the UK changes its mind but apart from that it would prefer the UK rejoin because either of those 2 options would kill the movement of the alt right to disband the EU."
And, of course, they would not have to source additional income from other EU members to make up for the net contribution we make. Which, btw, is reducing in Euro terms because of the decrease in the value of the pound. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"once Article 50 is triggered there is no going back as far as I understand. . .The process can't be reversed.
that wasn't the question i don't think .... i think he means a new application afetr the regression is done and dusted ... as apposed to putting the brakes on the process when it's part way through"
yes, correct  |
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over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling. "
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency"
And your reasoning for that? How many other European countries have their own currency? |
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency"
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound. |
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound. "
Scotland leaves, goes with euro
N. Ireland leaves, goes with euro
that leaves the englush and welsh, sure, by all means keep your pound as your London based banks move up to Edinburgh
yep, keep your pound, how many countries will deal with it as a strong currency, two perhaps - englund and wales |
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound.
Scotland leaves, goes with euro
N. Ireland leaves, goes with euro
that leaves the englush and welsh, sure, by all means keep your pound as your London based banks move up to Edinburgh
yep, keep your pound, how many countries will deal with it as a strong currency, two perhaps - englund and wales "
Your off your head |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound.
Scotland leaves, goes with euro
N. Ireland leaves, goes with euro
that leaves the englush and welsh, sure, by all means keep your pound as your London based banks move up to Edinburgh
yep, keep your pound, how many countries will deal with it as a strong currency, two perhaps - englund and wales
Your off your head "
Im of my head lol, its your Westminster government that has no plan!!!!!
I am financially secure for life, lets hope everyone else here is, or they will be in deep shit, yourself included |
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound.
Scotland leaves, goes with euro
N. Ireland leaves, goes with euro
that leaves the englush and welsh, sure, by all means keep your pound as your London based banks move up to Edinburgh
yep, keep your pound, how many countries will deal with it as a strong currency, two perhaps - englund and wales
Your off your head
Im of my head lol, its your Westminster government that has no plan!!!!!
I am financially secure for life, lets hope everyone else here is, or they will be in deep shit, yourself included "
I,m set up for life thanks but Scotland could be in deep shit when it finds its self out of the EU and out of the UK hope all goes well for you though. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound.
Scotland leaves, goes with euro
N. Ireland leaves, goes with euro
that leaves the englush and welsh, sure, by all means keep your pound as your London based banks move up to Edinburgh
yep, keep your pound, how many countries will deal with it as a strong currency, two perhaps - englund and wales "
Weren't major banks going to pull out of Scotland if they voted for independence?
And why would banks want to leave a major financial city like London to move up to Edinburgh? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
If Scotland gets Independence, it may well go with the Euro, and if that is the case and the "rest of the UK" are out of EU, then it might be the end of the ££££££ for them as well, it sure as hell aint going to be recognised as a main currency
Explain please why the £££££ will not be recognised as a main currency? Scotland can use the Grote if it wants but it will not make any difference to the pound.
Scotland leaves, goes with euro
N. Ireland leaves, goes with euro
that leaves the englush and welsh, sure, by all means keep your pound as your London based banks move up to Edinburgh
yep, keep your pound, how many countries will deal with it as a strong currency, two perhaps - englund and wales
Weren't major banks going to pull out of Scotland if they voted for independence?
And why would banks want to leave a major financial city like London to move up to Edinburgh?"
once you are out of the EU and Scotland re-joins lets just wait and see, there are so many options, so many what ifs, it would be foolish to say things could never happen, Westminster will be at the hands of the EU as it tries to worm its way out, so do not for one minute think things will be all rosie and sweet |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes yr rite things may not b all Rosie for u guys if the EU don't accept Scotland then what ??"
come on dear, you listen far too much to the BBC
fact is, you do not know what is going to happen
I do not know
and Westminster sure as hell do not know
Is it wrong for The Scottish Government to look out for the sole interests of Scotland, that is what they are in government for, although try telling that to Ruth Westminster Davidson and Kezia tory lapdog Dugdale |
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"By the time Scotland leaves the uk there won't b a euro its crumbling now how bad is it going to be when we leave then what are yous going to do ask to rejoin lol "
Its not crumbling though. Its the pound thats been dropping in value against the euro. Not the other way around.
Terrible when facts get in the way of your emotional ramblings. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?"
You mean without a country that refused to pay its dues for decades, got it's own way most if the time and then constantly whined about being dictated to? I imagine they'll cope quite well without that. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?"
It crops up with religious monotony doesn't it. Different people, different threads, different topics but the same underlying message.
No one is equal to the Brits (actually English) and nothing can be better than Britain (read England). The EU will collapse without us, Scotland won't cope alone etc etc
This message has been played out for a hundred years or more as the empire fell apart. The story is that the empire was held together by an absolute (but misplaced) belief that the native societies would implode without British authority.
Same narrative now about the EU and Scotland - like as if England is the all and almighty that rules its minions with steel like authority without which anarchy would reign.
Total horseshit.  |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?
You mean without a country that refused to pay its dues for decades, got it's own way most if the time and then constantly whined about being dictated to? I imagine they'll cope quite well without that."
You mean without the second largest net contributor to the EU? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?
You mean without a country that refused to pay its dues for decades, got it's own way most if the time and then constantly whined about being dictated to? I imagine they'll cope quite well without that.
You mean without the second largest net contributor to the EU?"
I think getting rid of the perennial aggravation will be worth the financial hit. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"I'll never understand why ppl moan and slag of there own country wtf "
I know. Shocking isn't it. People should just shut the fuck up and do what their government tells them to do. And believe what Murdoch tells them to believe.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?
It crops up with religious monotony doesn't it. Different people, different threads, different topics but the same underlying message.
No one is equal to the Brits (actually English) and nothing can be better than Britain (read England). The EU will collapse without us, Scotland won't cope alone etc etc
This message has been played out for a hundred years or more as the empire fell apart. The story is that the empire was held together by an absolute (but misplaced) belief that the native societies would implode without British authority.
Same narrative now about the EU and Scotland - like as if England is the all and almighty that rules its minions with steel like authority without which anarchy would reign.
Total horseshit. "
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I'll never understand why ppl moan and slag of there own country wtf "
No, just people who display arrogance about their assumed authority in the world. An arrogance that is misplaced because it has no foundation in the modern world. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
You mean like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden?Bulgaria, croatia, czech republic, denmark, hungary, poland, _omania, sweden, do not have the euro, they got their own moneys."
My point exactly. They are EU countries that joined after the Euro was introduced, yet don't use the Euro. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I'll never understand why ppl moan and slag of there own country wtf "
I know! People have been bitching and whining for years about how the UK can't do anything whilst in the EU and that we need to leave, why are they slagging off their own country? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Relelected Junker has recently said that he hopes the UK rejoins.
Unfortunately, if we were to do so, then we would be required to accept the terms that apply to all new applicants ( as would an independent Scotland) including taking the Euro and losing the pound |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm no politician
But I do know they don't want us to leave because we mean so much to them .
Course we can join again - turkeys joining (if they can be in it - so can we) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm no politician
But I do know they don't want us to leave because we mean so much to them .
Course we can join again - turkeys joining (if they can be in it - so can we) "
not if Scotland gets in before you and blocks you |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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There is a perfect shit storm here of course.
Give the Scots their referendum, they vote independence, the treaty is signed and then on the eve of Brexit, the rest of the UK pulls back and decides to stop with a (reformed) EU.
Now wouldn't that be funny!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't expect things will go wrong, but if they did once we have broke away from the EU, could we, the UK re-join
is this a possibility?"
Yes, probably with a far worse deal than we have now..
Brexit is a mistake in my opinion, but we are where we are so we just have to suck it up. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Relelected Junker has recently said that he hopes the UK rejoins.
Unfortunately, if we were to do so, then we would be required to accept the terms that apply to all new applicants ( as would an independent Scotland) including taking the Euro and losing the pound"
Sorry but that is just not true. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Relelected Junker has recently said that he hopes the UK rejoins.
Unfortunately, if we were to do so, then we would be required to accept the terms that apply to all new applicants ( as would an independent Scotland) including taking the Euro and losing the pound
Sorry but that is just not true. "
The EU and the Euro zone are too different things.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is a perfect shit storm here of course.
Give the Scots their referendum, they vote independence, the treaty is signed and then on the eve of Brexit, the rest of the UK pulls back and decides to stop with a (reformed) EU.
Now wouldn't that be funny!
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Ah but then the SNP would want a 3rd referendum because things ahve changed AGAIN!!! 
Not going to happen though  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm no politician
But I do know they don't want us to leave because we mean so much to them .
Course we can join again - turkeys joining (if they can be in it - so can we) "
The way Turkey's going it'll be decades before an application would be considered. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm no politician
But I do know they don't want us to leave because we mean so much to them .
Course we can join again - turkeys joining (if they can be in it - so can we)
The way Turkey's going it'll be decades before an application would be considered."
I think Turkey have realised that they're better off not joining |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm no politician
But I do know they don't want us to leave because we mean so much to them .
Course we can join again - turkeys joining (if they can be in it - so can we)
The way Turkey's going it'll be decades before an application would be considered."
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Erdogan keeps threatening to play his trump card and let all the migrants cross! The EU is paying big money to him to keep them in Turkey.
Soon as the big elections are over in the EU, they will probably tell him to do one  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
You mean like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden?"
No we are on a totally different economic level |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes we could rejoin if EVERY state agreed so but we wouldn't have a deal as good as we do now.
If god forbid we ever do consider rejoining we would also have to join the Euro, which would be an end to Stirling.
You mean like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden?No we are on a totally different economic level"
So you are saying that those countries are more important and don't have to covert to the Euro, but the UK will be bullied into it? |
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?
You mean without a country that refused to pay its dues for decades, got it's own way most if the time and then constantly whined about being dictated to? I imagine they'll cope quite well without that.
You mean without the second largest net contributor to the EU?"
The EU will also be deeply concerned about losing one of its largest net contributors . Not many companies would want to lose a key customer. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"Sorry ment the EU crumbling not the euro how they going to cope without the UK ?
You mean without a country that refused to pay its dues for decades, got it's own way most if the time and then constantly whined about being dictated to? I imagine they'll cope quite well without that.
You mean without the second largest net contributor to the EU? The EU will also be deeply concerned about losing one of its largest net contributors . Not many companies would want to lose a key customer. "
They are going to lose about £6.5bn a year, spread across about 435 million people. If you take the figure from David Davis' special adviser, the UK is going to lose £26bn a year spread across a population of 65 million people. Who do you think is going to notice the change more? |
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Look how can you gauge if Brexit goes wrong ??
Obviously its going to have its ups and downs, winners and losers.
Remember its taken 40-30 yrs ( I think). To get till now where UK thinking its not quite working its not unrealistic to think same on Brexit.
Thinking short term is defeatist , think where we wish to be in xx yrs .
Bit like travelling through dark twisty tunnel,with enclines .........hopefully were going to be better of on the other side.
A calculated risk. |
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"Look how can you gauge if Brexit goes wrong ??
Obviously its going to have its ups and downs, winners and losers.
Remember its taken 40-30 yrs ( I think). To get till now where UK thinking its not quite working its not unrealistic to think same on Brexit.
Thinking short term is defeatist , think where we wish to be in xx yrs .
Bit like travelling through dark twisty tunnel,with enclines .........hopefully were going to be better of on the other side.
A calculated risk."
But everyone who did calculations said that the risk was far far too high and that the payoff wouldnt benefit the UK in the medium or long term. |
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"Look how can you gauge if Brexit goes wrong ??
Obviously its going to have its ups and downs, winners and losers.
Remember its taken 40-30 yrs ( I think). To get till now where UK thinking its not quite working its not unrealistic to think same on Brexit.
Thinking short term is defeatist , think where we wish to be in xx yrs .
Bit like travelling through dark twisty tunnel,with enclines .........hopefully were going to be better of on the other side.
A calculated risk.
But everyone who did calculations said that the risk was far far too high and that the payoff wouldnt benefit the UK in the medium or long term."
No one knows what the future holds we can only give our best guess. |
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