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Youve for two hopes of uniting that place Bob and none  | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5." As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is | |||
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"They cant be that free from the Catholic church i went over last Easter and couldnt get a drink anywhere except the airport
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is" There's nothing like a bit of reconciliation and structured debate to move things on, is there? | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is" Please Don't Forget Adams !!!!  | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is There's nothing like a bit of reconciliation and structured debate to move things on, is there?" Yep, the hate is strong there. I would recommend saving your time and energy. Going back to the topic, I think it will happen, but not in the immediate future. It will be 15 years yet at a minimum, maybe twice that. There is still a way to go yet, both north and south of the border. There is no doubt in my mind that the Brexit vote was a massive boost towards unification. What we will see before that is a much stronger assertive voice for an Irish identity in Northern Ireland. The violence may have ended for now but the fight is now a cultural fight. I don't believe that the IRA will resume their campaign, they have way too much to lose now. They could easily be in power in the Republic in a coalition government within 5 years. North of the border demographics is against the Unionist vote. | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is" Peace and reconciliation doesnt appear to figure large in your life.....i have to say, your attitude is disgusting | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is" This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot." agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.. | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5." Most people were always prepared to live in peace . I cannot remember many people who actively wanted to engage in violence or cause trouble . In that respect nothing has changed because people still want to live in peace. What has changed is that it has been possible to engage with the para militaries and broker an agreement. These organisations were and still are only supported by an exceptionally small minority. Para militaries are still active but are now engaged in drug dealing , fuel laundering and various other crimes .. | |||
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"I think a more likley and practical outcome will be a fully independent Northern Ireland , with the option of either a duel British passport or a duel Republic of Ireland one for anyone who wants one "This seems a simple and fair solution to the whole Irish issue, well said | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.." Do you mean the hatred handed out the IRA and their drug dealing supporters, or so you mean its cowardly leaders who murdered many both in Ireland and mainland U.K. I can't stand how so many have forgotten what a butcher he and his right hand mate were, and how they seek retribution for any wrong doing by the UK government and our amazing armed forces, but are above any insight in to what they did or ordered to be done on their behalf. He is such an evil twat that he will take to his death bed, where he buried the bodies of those he murdered or was co-involved in the murder off. | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.. Do you mean the hatred handed out the IRA and their drug dealing supporters, or so you mean its cowardly leaders who murdered many both in Ireland and mainland U.K. I can't stand how so many have forgotten what a butcher he and his right hand mate were, and how they seek retribution for any wrong doing by the UK government and our amazing armed forces, but are above any insight in to what they did or ordered to be done on their behalf. He is such an evil twat that he will take to his death bed, where he buried the bodies of those he murdered or was co-involved in the murder off." Bs someone who served over there in the 70's I'm fully aware of what PIRA were up to but they certainly were not alone in murdering innocents.. Reconciliation is about taking an objective viewpoint and accepting that wrongs were done by all sides and that includes the state. Going on about only one side just leads to tit for tat and goes nowhere and the present and future generations of that part of the UK deserve better.. | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.. Do you mean the hatred handed out the IRA and their drug dealing supporters, or so you mean its cowardly leaders who murdered many both in Ireland and mainland U.K. I can't stand how so many have forgotten what a butcher he and his right hand mate were, and how they seek retribution for any wrong doing by the UK government and our amazing armed forces, but are above any insight in to what they did or ordered to be done on their behalf. He is such an evil twat that he will take to his death bed, where he buried the bodies of those he murdered or was co-involved in the murder off. Bs someone who served over there in the 70's I'm fully aware of what PIRA were up to but they certainly were not alone in murdering innocents.. Reconciliation is about taking an objective viewpoint and accepting that wrongs were done by all sides and that includes the state. Going on about only one side just leads to tit for tat and goes nowhere and the present and future generations of that part of the UK deserve better.." I agree with your last post, but I still stand by what I have said | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.. Do you mean the hatred handed out the IRA and their drug dealing supporters, or so you mean its cowardly leaders who murdered many both in Ireland and mainland U.K. I can't stand how so many have forgotten what a butcher he and his right hand mate were, and how they seek retribution for any wrong doing by the UK government and our amazing armed forces, but are above any insight in to what they did or ordered to be done on their behalf. He is such an evil twat that he will take to his death bed, where he buried the bodies of those he murdered or was co-involved in the murder off. Bs someone who served over there in the 70's I'm fully aware of what PIRA were up to but they certainly were not alone in murdering innocents.. Reconciliation is about taking an objective viewpoint and accepting that wrongs were done by all sides and that includes the state. Going on about only one side just leads to tit for tat and goes nowhere and the present and future generations of that part of the UK deserve better.." As someone, not Bs someone.. | |||
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"re-unification = absolutely inevitable" possibly but who knows when it will happen, it certainly won't be with in the next 15 years | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time..." The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government. | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.. Do you mean the hatred handed out the IRA and their drug dealing supporters, or so you mean its cowardly leaders who murdered many both in Ireland and mainland U.K. I can't stand how so many have forgotten what a butcher he and his right hand mate were, and how they seek retribution for any wrong doing by the UK government and our amazing armed forces, but are above any insight in to what they did or ordered to be done on their behalf. He is such an evil twat that he will take to his death bed, where he buried the bodies of those he murdered or was co-involved in the murder off." Agreed ! They want enquiys into Bloody Sunday but also want to keep Stum about all thier own Atrocities ! | |||
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"re-unification = absolutely inevitablepossibly but who knows when it will happen, it certainly won't be with in the next 15 years" it'll be sooner than ukip represent an arsehole constituancy in the west midlands | |||
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"re-unification = absolutely inevitablepossibly but who knows when it will happen, it certainly won't be with in the next 15 years it'll be sooner than ukip represent an arsehole constituancy in the west midlands" Let's be honest a monkey with a red rosette would have won in stoke, sorry yep it was a monkey with a red rosette... that's why the city is in such a mess | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government." . What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
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" They want enquiys into Bloody Sunday but also want to keep Stum about all thier own Atrocities ! " Alot of which would never have happened were it not for Bloody Sunday | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
"and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.... | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us....". Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud  .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts"so you avoided every point...just out of interest do you have any knowledge of history?,by the way Einstein family from Derry...but you'll probably have to google that to see where it is  ,but luckily the vast majority of British folk are educated and study before commenting. | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts"Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up....... | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up.......". Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work  | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up........
Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work "The negotiations that led to partition was at the threat of further violence from the British government. The Irish negotiators were threatened with 'immediate and terrible war' if they did not accept partition. The new border then created a gerrymandered statelet intended to return a permanent unionist majority. I'm happy enough to recommend a reading list if you want to know more. | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up........
Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work
The negotiations that led to partition was at the threat of further violence from the British government. The Irish negotiators were threatened with 'immediate and terrible war' if they did not accept partition. The new border then created a gerrymandered statelet intended to return a permanent unionist majority.
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up........
Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work
The negotiations that led to partition was at the threat of further violence from the British government. The Irish negotiators were threatened with 'immediate and terrible war' if they did not accept partition. The new border then created a gerrymandered statelet intended to return a permanent unionist majority.
I'm happy enough to recommend a reading list if you want to know more.". It was the best of a shit deal, what would you have preferred the wholesale massacre of 1 million Protestants left abandoned maybe?. Harking back in history to reinforce your own dogmatic beliefs is just great for reconciliation | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up........
Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work
The negotiations that led to partition was at the threat of further violence from the British government. The Irish negotiators were threatened with 'immediate and terrible war' if they did not accept partition. The new border then created a gerrymandered statelet intended to return a permanent unionist majority.
I'm happy enough to recommend a reading list if you want to know more..
It was the best of a shit deal, what would you have preferred the wholesale massacre of 1 million Protestants left abandoned maybe?.
Harking back in history to reinforce your own dogmatic beliefs is just great for reconciliation "That is not the same as your assertion that NI opted out of the Free State. Make your mind up man | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up........
Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work
The negotiations that led to partition was at the threat of further violence from the British government. The Irish negotiators were threatened with 'immediate and terrible war' if they did not accept partition. The new border then created a gerrymandered statelet intended to return a permanent unionist majority.
I'm happy enough to recommend a reading list if you want to know more..
It was the best of a shit deal, what would you have preferred the wholesale massacre of 1 million Protestants left abandoned maybe?.
Harking back in history to reinforce your own dogmatic beliefs is just great for reconciliation
That is not the same as your assertion that NI opted out of the Free State. Make your mind up man". So go on educate me on the truth as you see it | |||
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,any other nonsense you wish to spout?,blackdogs statement are 100% accurate,your mystic meg conclusions are entertaining though | |||
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"Or maybe you thought it would have turned out different than Palestine when we left the Jews to it?" Exactly, and later the "Jewish terrorists" were the respected politicians we were happy to deal with. I think the difference with Ireland, it is on our doorstep. The meddling has been too long and too deep for an easy answer. | |||
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"It's truly appalling your lack of knowledge but anyway we will try to aid you a bit...5 % of Southern Ireland is Protestant,yep and guess what vast majority's ancestors where there in 1922...funny how this mass genocide you speak of never took place ,any other nonsense you wish to spout?,blackdogs statement are 100% accurate,your mystic meg conclusions are entertaining though ". The Irish extremist have been murdering people for 150 years, only curtailed by not being able to do more! Your the ones living in la la land if you think the Protestants would have been as safe as houses left abandoned | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
Try reading a history book or two about how Ireland was divided up........
Why dont you educate me here and now,i thought that is how debates work
The negotiations that led to partition was at the threat of further violence from the British government. The Irish negotiators were threatened with 'immediate and terrible war' if they did not accept partition. The new border then created a gerrymandered statelet intended to return a permanent unionist majority.
I'm happy enough to recommend a reading list if you want to know more..
It was the best of a shit deal, what would you have preferred the wholesale massacre of 1 million Protestants left abandoned maybe?.
Harking back in history to reinforce your own dogmatic beliefs is just great for reconciliation "Your statement 'Northern Ireland opted out of the free state' is simply put, untrue. You asked for evidence, I supplied it. Wikipedia should provide you with background information. I would recommend you start with reading about the home rule movement and home rule crisis, the anglo-irish treaty Massacre of one millions protestants? Tell me more. | |||
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"Or maybe you thought it would have turned out different than Palestine when we left the Jews to it? Exactly, and later the "Jewish terrorists" were the respected politicians we were happy to deal with. I think the difference with Ireland, it is on our doorstep. The meddling has been too long and too deep for an easy answer. " . And the Jewish and Muslims lived quite peacefully? until the Jewish extremists turned up and were left in charge. No different than Ireland would have been had the UK pulled out and abandoned the Protestants in Ireland | |||
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"They'd have lived their lives,started families,integrated,attended their churches,your forgetting one important thing...we're Irish...we don't have the mentality of thinking we have the right to tell others how to live,don't equate us to your colonial imperialism viewpoint..." . The only thing your sorry about is the UK refused to let you ethnically purge Ireland of Protestants | |||
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"And you still want to do it today" Me personally? News to me. Why would I want that? I never raised the religious element. | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed "I'm gutted, I don't know how I'm going to raise it with my friends. One of my best friends is married to a protestant gentleman, should I start there? | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed ". So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people | |||
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"Probably cause we like most believe in democracy...80% of this island want it unified...we've already explained to you how the border came to be..." . Make your mind up you said to me?. Your nationalists when it suits you and europhiles when it suits you, your for democracy when it suits you and against democracy when it suits you. It seems your anything to everybody providing you get what you want | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people"Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand. | |||
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"I'll give you an insight...I've just received 3 private messages from English folk apologising on your behalf for the lack of intellect and knowledge of Irish affairs...we would just like to say we are well aware the vast majority of British people are intelligent and educated and in no way view you in the same category ". Im welsh i couldnt care less what English people are texting you. Also you want to read back to what you wrote originally when you blamed the British for everything wrong in Ireland that happend hundreds of years ago like anybody today had anything to do with it. | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people
Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand.". In your opinion which is only worth as much as what you clearly think is superior. | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people
Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand..
In your opinion which is only worth as much as what you clearly think is superior.
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people
Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand..
In your opinion which is only worth as much as what you clearly think is superior.
I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Look I got a massacre to organise, you have some reading to do."...is that like a social? Will you be getting veris? | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people
Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand..
In your opinion which is only worth as much as what you clearly think is superior.
I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Look I got a massacre to organise, you have some reading to do.". Your being pompous now. I gave you a perfectly legitimate example of what happens between two long standing conflicting religious dogmatic ideologies when the long standing power just ups and leaves. Ireland would have entered the abyss of sectarianism and a full on civil war,i never once said anywhere that what happened was good, i said it was the best of the worst,3500 deaths over 70 years 50% of which were either paramilitary or UK forces is in my opinion better than what would have happened had the UK government pulled out and left the extremists of which the IRA had been long standing murderers of Protestants civilians and just been elected. Of course your free to give to your simplistic nationalist narrative of being besieged by a conquering army as much you like, i just dont agree with you | |||
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"I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Look I got a massacre to organise, you have some reading to do. ...is that like a social? Will you be getting veris?" Can I come? | |||
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"Does the recent announcement of Scottish Indyref 2 make an Irish re-unification ref more likely?" Yes, I'm sure that this will be under discussion by nationalist politicians in Ulster right now. The circumstances are coming together for the end of the union. | |||
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"Their opinion is obviously superior to ours (although I share theirs) as they live in the land we are discussing reunifying, and therefore get their information from sources other than rewritten English history books and UK government sponsored propaganda. I for one am very grateful for the Irish posters imparting their knowledge in this thread...and would be very interested in the reading list lol Diolch yn fawr" . You may have missed the fact that only the nationalists point of view was put forward. If you were to talk to some Irish unionists you would get a more balanced argument. Your welcome | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people
Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand..
In your opinion which is only worth as much as what you clearly think is superior.
I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Look I got a massacre to organise, you have some reading to do..
Your being pompous now.
I gave you a perfectly legitimate example of what happens between two long standing conflicting religious dogmatic ideologies when the long standing power just ups and leaves.
Ireland would have entered the abyss of sectarianism and a full on civil war,i never once said anywhere that what happened was good, i said it was the best of the worst,3500 deaths over 70 years 50% of which were either paramilitary or UK forces is in my opinion better than what would have happened had the UK government pulled out and left the extremists of which the IRA had been long standing murderers of Protestants civilians and just been elected.
Of course your free to give to your simplistic nationalist narrative of being besieged by a conquering army as much you like, i just dont agree with you"its getting tiresome now...your just not taking anything on board...how exactly do you know we want our neighbors massacred,why did this not happen to the tens of thousands of protestants left in Southern Ireland after 1922,have you actually got any substantial facts or is it all just you doing a mystic meg...we just always wanted peace and to be left alone,telling us we are all genocidal mad men shows your lack of intellect on the subject I'm afraid... | |||
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"You may have missed the fact that only the nationalists point of view was put forward. If you were to talk to some Irish unionists you would get a more balanced argument. Your welcome "Facts were put forward. Up to you whether you want to learn from them or carry on proving your ignorance | |||
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"Christ news to us too...our best swing mates are protestants....their going to be heartbroken to hear we want them ethnically cleansed .
So why arent you happy to just leave Northern Ireland governing itself? Im perfectly happy with that and so are most people
Hello again. Its becoming clearer that you've a deficit of knowledge on the topic of Irish Reunification but appear to hold quite strong views on the subject. I think it was Alexander Pope that said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' There's a lot more I could talk about but I'm questioning the benefit. I could explain further but I really don't think that you would understand..
In your opinion which is only worth as much as what you clearly think is superior.
I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Look I got a massacre to organise, you have some reading to do..
Your being pompous now.
I gave you a perfectly legitimate example of what happens between two long standing conflicting religious dogmatic ideologies when the long standing power just ups and leaves.
Ireland would have entered the abyss of sectarianism and a full on civil war,i never once said anywhere that what happened was good, i said it was the best of the worst,3500 deaths over 70 years 50% of which were either paramilitary or UK forces is in my opinion better than what would have happened had the UK government pulled out and left the extremists of which the IRA had been long standing murderers of Protestants civilians and just been elected.
Of course your free to give to your simplistic nationalist narrative of being besieged by a conquering army as much you like, i just dont agree with youits getting tiresome now...your just not taking anything on board...how exactly do you know we want our neighbors massacred,why did this not happen to the tens of thousands of protestants left in Southern Ireland after 1922,have you actually got any substantial facts or is it all just you doing a mystic meg...we just always wanted peace and to be left alone,telling us we are all genocidal mad men shows your lack of intellect on the subject I'm afraid...". Your argument is flawed by recent history, unless youve been unaware of the last 150 years of sectarian murders, or the troubles in n Ireland over the last 60 years. Since 1920 lots and lots of Catholics and protestants have crossed over the board for those very reasons. The fact that you refer to them as "neighbours" and not fellow Irish citizens says something about your motives. All the UK government did is stop Ireland crumbling into a sectarian civil war just like every other county that has similar circumstances has done, Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Libya, most of Africa. The first thing Hitler called for was unification, weve all got to be unified as true Germans!. You really have to ask whats behind nationalism to see its true colours | |||
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"You may have missed the fact that only the nationalists point of view was put forward. If you were to talk to some Irish unionists you would get a more balanced argument. Your welcome
Facts were put forward. Up to you whether you want to learn from them or carry on proving your ignorance". I didnt say they hadnt i said you had made up your mind from one side of the argument. Let me put it another way. Had you only been given facts from a brexit point of view you would conclude that brexit was correct or vise verse. Now as we know brexit has been divisive, the real question is not whats best or not anymore but how do you get the two sides to live without coming to blows?. In some way this obviously means compromise and thats the story of n.ireland | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts"They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about. | |||
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"Oh sweet lord that stupidity doesn't warrant an answer...he's now telling us we don't know our own minds or intentions ,and the reason some crossed the border was the same psychiatric paranoid waffle your spewing...". Thats historically? bullshit. The sectarian murders are not new and well documented, thats why people crossed the borders in hordes | |||
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"And you still want to do it today" Christ youre just an idiot arent you? Protestants live in the South and theres no problems whatsoever. So there goes your idiotic theory. | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about.". Ok lets say your right. Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists | |||
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"And you still want to do it today Christ youre just an idiot arent you? Protestants live in the South and theres no problems whatsoever. So there goes your idiotic theory." . So what Palestinians live in Israel? | |||
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"It's logical, demographics favour it, the Republic, freed from the once-dominant influence of the catholic church, is now a more modern and liberal society than Ulster, the younger generations are more resistant to the sectarian bigotry of the bad old days and in general most people north of the border, tired of conflict, are happy to enjoy the peace dividend of normal life. Add to the mix the countdown to a post-brexit landscape and the constant ability of current politics to spring surprises without end. Political establishments and "received wisdom" seem to be upended on a regular basis nowadays, so... How long until Irish unification becomes reality? My guess is within 10 years, but possibly even within 5. As long as that cowardly murdering twat Martin Mcguinness dies a painful death before it happens I couldn't care less when it is This is the generation I talked about in my first post. People like this, on both sides, need to not be a factor before we can have a comfortable peace. Then issues can be looked at through the lens of whats best for the NI people (whether thats reunification or not) instead of this myopic hatred. Northern Ireland will be a much better place without this lot. agreed.. such views are repulsive, they only serve to highlight a complete lack of objectivity. Makes you wonder whether such people thrive and prosper on hatred and division.. Do you mean the hatred handed out the IRA and their drug dealing supporters, or so you mean its cowardly leaders who murdered many both in Ireland and mainland U.K. I can't stand how so many have forgotten what a butcher he and his right hand mate were, and how they seek retribution for any wrong doing by the UK government and our amazing armed forces, but are above any insight in to what they did or ordered to be done on their behalf. He is such an evil twat that he will take to his death bed, where he buried the bodies of those he murdered or was co-involved in the murder off.Agreed ! They want enquiys into Bloody Sunday but also want to keep Stum about all thier own Atrocities ! " Without wishing to comment on the issues involved , the amount of money spent on this enquiry and funded by the tax payer is notbing short of disgracefull. Decisions had to be be made on the spur of the momement , anyone can spend endless time analysing events afer they have occurred . What does the achieve apart from waste tax payers money. I do not need a public enquiry to know what happened . There is sufficient information in the public domain. | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about..
Ok lets say your right.
Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists"Good of you to ask, it all started a long long time ago. I'm too busy trying to organise a massacre. I did happen to meet an old friend, she's church of Ireland. We're going to drink tea and catch up Here why don't you start here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about..
Ok lets say your right.
Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists
Good of you to ask, it all started a long long time ago. I'm too busy trying to organise a massacre. I did happen to meet an old friend, she's church of Ireland. We're going to drink tea and catch up Here why don't you start here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about..
Ok lets say your right.
Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists
Good of you to ask, it all started a long long time ago. I'm too busy trying to organise a massacre. I did happen to meet an old friend, she's church of Ireland. We're going to drink tea and catch up Here why don't you start here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
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So there not really Irish, thats what your saying, they were just immigrants and have no rights to what Ireland they wish to live in?"Far from it. I'm just relaying some reading material. Hows it going with the reading about Home Rule and the Ulster crisis? | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about..
Ok lets say your right.
Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists
Good of you to ask, it all started a long long time ago. I'm too busy trying to organise a massacre. I did happen to meet an old friend, she's church of Ireland. We're going to drink tea and catch up Here why don't you start here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
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So there not really Irish, thats what your saying, they were just immigrants and have no rights to what Ireland they wish to live in?
Far from it. I'm just relaying some reading material. Hows it going with the reading about Home Rule and the Ulster crisis? "No lets get back to your ugly assumption of whos a true Irish and who isnt?. Thats nationalism right there | |||
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"It's always hilarious to hear Brits on about our world,calling our political representatives terrorists,so easily forgetting your blood tainted colonisation history as recently as Iraq,the terror brought to our island by Brits far outweighs anything...However as many rational and intelligent commentators have said tit for tat gains nothing,compromise has to be made,a United ireland is inevitable,just a matter of time... The kind of people still blithering about the terrorism that existed on one side but ignoring the murders of the other are exactly the sort that couldnt tell the difference between a history book and a tin of beans. So its no surprise that they ignore the blood on the hands of their own government.. What a load of shit .
If theres a reason Ireland is fucked up its people like these.
and that ladies and gentlemen shows the stupid ignorance,but go on tell us all with your wonderful wisdom how us Irish are the fucked up ones,you invade a land you were never invited too,slaughter thousands,steal lands,inflict mass immigration,treat us as second class citizens in our own country...you'd know all this if you'd bother to pick up a history book.britain should feel nothing but shame towards its actions here...but all we want is peace,our country back and life to move forward...it's not complex,a truth and reconciliation process is the only way forward,of course unionists fear it...they don't want the people of Britain to hear the truth of their actions here...we made mistakes too and horrific ones..we can't defend the indefensible in some circumstances,but the troubles and terror were brought to us.....
Give it a rest man youve had your own country for a hundred years, how old are you for crying out loud .
Northern Ireland opted out of the free state, end of, its up to them to opt back in if and when they choose not you and with talk like you have its no wonder they have second thoughts
They didnt opt out of the free state. They were never given a vote on whether to remain with the UK or not. See the issue is you have no idea what youre talking about. Youve some half formed idea in your head and you think that you know better than people who do know what theyre talking about..
Ok lets say your right.
Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists
Good of you to ask, it all started a long long time ago. I'm too busy trying to organise a massacre. I did happen to meet an old friend, she's church of Ireland. We're going to drink tea and catch up Here why don't you start here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
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So there not really Irish, thats what your saying, they were just immigrants and have no rights to what Ireland they wish to live in?
Far from it. I'm just relaying some reading material. Hows it going with the reading about Home Rule and the Ulster crisis?
No lets get back to your ugly assumption of whos a true Irish and who isnt?.
Thats nationalism right there"'explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists' I supplied 2 sources of information. This is the origin of the Unionist community in Ireland. The origins of partition are to put in very simple terms, started with the home rule question. | |||
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" Ok lets say your right. Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists" Firstly theres no "lets say youre right" about it. Its historical fact and not one anyone anywhere disagrees with. There was no vote or referendum for the 6 counties and whether theyd stay with the UK or join the Free State. The fighting started when the English invaded. It continued when the English murdered, r*ped, sold our people into indentured servitude and stole the land. It continued when the English decided to outlaw our own language in our own country and to enact these laws with force. It escalated when the English wouldnt leave when they were asked and the majority of the Irish people wanted them gone. So the Irish went to war with them and started targetting British military in Dublin. The British then reacted by slaughtering civilians including the infamous morning they drove a tank into a sports pitch and opened fire on men, women and children. We won the war of independence and when it was over Protestants were treated fairly and evenly in the Free State whereas up North the Carholics were mistreated. During a peaceful protest the British opened fire on peaceful protestors and injured and murdered them. This led some Catholics to believe that the British didnt understand anything but violence so they started the armed struggle against them. This was the start of the troubles and it was completely the wrong thing to do. Sinking to the level of British soldiers should never have been the road to take. The Irish Catholics should have taken the high road no matter how difficult it was. The nationalist paramilitary organisations targetted civilians, military and anyone who crossed them. They were quickly joined by Unionist paramilitaries who were just as bad but also had the backing of British intelligence and colluded with the protestant police force and British military. Tit for tat violence became the norm for 30 years. Every time a nationalist committed violence or murder the unionists would do the same and vice versa. Then it was finally agreed that we should have a peaceful resolution through the Good Friday agreement and the sectarian violence has almost miraculously been almost completely wiped out. The former paramilitary organisations on both sides have either disbanded or turned to crime which makes many question their motivations. | |||
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"if there is a referendum it won't be a simple 50 % plus 1 vote.... because of the sensitivity of the issue it would likely need a 60% or 2/3rds majority" Ah yes, it's the adherence to democracy that made Britain great! | |||
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"I think a more likley and practical outcome will be a fully independent Northern Ireland , with the option of either a duel British passport or a duel Republic of Ireland one for anyone who wants one
This seems a simple and fair solution to the whole Irish issue, well said "I presumed he was having a laugh. How in the name of God could it exist on its own? | |||
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" Ok lets say your right. Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists Firstly theres no "lets say youre right" about it. Its historical fact and not one anyone anywhere disagrees with. There was no vote or referendum for the 6 counties and whether theyd stay with the UK or join the Free State. The fighting started when the English invaded. It continued when the English murdered, r*ped, sold our people into indentured servitude and stole the land. It continued when the English decided to outlaw our own language in our own country and to enact these laws with force. It escalated when the English wouldnt leave when they were asked and the majority of the Irish people wanted them gone. So the Irish went to war with them and started targetting British military in Dublin. The British then reacted by slaughtering civilians including the infamous morning they drove a tank into a sports pitch and opened fire on men, women and children. We won the war of independence and when it was over Protestants were treated fairly and evenly in the Free State whereas up North the Carholics were mistreated. During a peaceful protest the British opened fire on peaceful protestors and injured and murdered them. This led some Catholics to believe that the British didnt understand anything but violence so they started the armed struggle against them. This was the start of the troubles and it was completely the wrong thing to do. Sinking to the level of British soldiers should never have been the road to take. The Irish Catholics should have taken the high road no matter how difficult it was. The nationalist paramilitary organisations targetted civilians, military and anyone who crossed them. They were quickly joined by Unionist paramilitaries who were just as bad but also had the backing of British intelligence and colluded with the protestant police force and British military. Tit for tat violence became the norm for 30 years. Every time a nationalist committed violence or murder the unionists would do the same and vice versa. Then it was finally agreed that we should have a peaceful resolution through the Good Friday agreement and the sectarian violence has almost miraculously been almost completely wiped out. The former paramilitary organisations on both sides have either disbanded or turned to crime which makes many question their motivations." . 400 years ago murdering and pillaging and conquering was the norm by like every nation on earth, Christ Dublin was ruled by the Vikings for a few hundred years before the English got there and even while they were there. If there was ever a face to nationalism you just wrote it. You start by painting yourself as the horrible victim as if Ireland had never done anything bad in its life then you create your victimhood and how if you some how unified it would all just be dandy, unfortunately my argument was and remains all along that the best outcome (horrible but not as horrible as it would have been) was the current outcome. Nationalism never solved anything for the minority only the majority of which we can both agree you are in. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria" How do you know what they wished to do? Are you psychic?  | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria" I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria How do you know what they wished to do? Are you psychic? ". No, im simply going off nearly every other historical example of what happens to the minority by the majority when you have a major difference between them and a power vacuum, aka the middle East today | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading." . Well the obvious contention was there between the Catholic church and the Protestants however lets leave that to one side and just say the minority wanted to live under unionisim and the majority under nationalisim and neither wanted to compromise, that rings a bell as well | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria How do you know what they wished to do? Are you psychic? .
No, im simply going off nearly every other historical example of what happens to the minority by the majority when you have a major difference between them and a power vacuum, aka the middle East today"You don't need to go to Syria to see that. The artificially constructed unionist majority discriminated in every way possible against the artificially constructed nationalist minority. This happened with the approval of the British government for over 50 years and spawned the outbreak of the troubles when the unionist government reacted violently to the civil rights protests looking for such lavish luxuries as "one man, one vote" and an end to discrimination in jobs and housing. | |||
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" Ok lets say your right. Explain to me the last 150 years of sectarian murders or even better explain to me why 1 million Irish people are unionists Firstly theres no "lets say youre right" about it. Its historical fact and not one anyone anywhere disagrees with. There was no vote or referendum for the 6 counties and whether theyd stay with the UK or join the Free State. The fighting started when the English invaded. It continued when the English murdered, r*ped, sold our people into indentured servitude and stole the land. It continued when the English decided to outlaw our own language in our own country and to enact these laws with force. It escalated when the English wouldnt leave when they were asked and the majority of the Irish people wanted them gone. So the Irish went to war with them and started targetting British military in Dublin. The British then reacted by slaughtering civilians including the infamous morning they drove a tank into a sports pitch and opened fire on men, women and children. We won the war of independence and when it was over Protestants were treated fairly and evenly in the Free State whereas up North the Carholics were mistreated. During a peaceful protest the British opened fire on peaceful protestors and injured and murdered them. This led some Catholics to believe that the British didnt understand anything but violence so they started the armed struggle against them. This was the start of the troubles and it was completely the wrong thing to do. Sinking to the level of British soldiers should never have been the road to take. The Irish Catholics should have taken the high road no matter how difficult it was. The nationalist paramilitary organisations targetted civilians, military and anyone who crossed them. They were quickly joined by Unionist paramilitaries who were just as bad but also had the backing of British intelligence and colluded with the protestant police force and British military. Tit for tat violence became the norm for 30 years. Every time a nationalist committed violence or murder the unionists would do the same and vice versa. Then it was finally agreed that we should have a peaceful resolution through the Good Friday agreement and the sectarian violence has almost miraculously been almost completely wiped out. The former paramilitary organisations on both sides have either disbanded or turned to crime which makes many question their motivations.. 400 years ago murdering and pillaging and conquering was the norm by like every nation on earth, Christ Dublin was ruled by the Vikings for a few hundred years before the English got there and even while they were there. If there was ever a face to nationalism you just wrote it. You start by painting yourself as the horrible victim as if Ireland had never done anything bad in its life then you create your victimhood and how if you some how unified it would all just be dandy, unfortunately my argument was and remains all along that the best outcome (horrible but not as horrible as it would have been) was the current outcome. Nationalism never solved anything for the minority only the majority of which we can both agree you are in."  How was Ireland not the victim? We've never invaded anyone, we have a policy of neutrality when it comes to war. We've never enslaved a race of people or attemtpted genocide.
What bad things has this country done? Even as soon as we finally got our freedom we worked to have normalised relationa with the UK as quickly as possible.
The best outcome would have been if Northern Ireland had treated their minority of catholics the same way the South treated their minority of protestants. You know, with basic human respect and as full and equal members of the country.
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading." . That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria How do you know what they wished to do? Are you psychic? .
No, im simply going off nearly every other historical example of what happens to the minority by the majority when you have a major difference between them and a power vacuum, aka the middle East today
You don't need to go to Syria to see that. The artificially constructed unionist majority discriminated in every way possible against the artificially constructed nationalist minority. This happened with the approval of the British government for over 50 years and spawned the outbreak of the troubles when the unionist government reacted violently to the civil rights protests looking for such lavish luxuries as "one man, one vote" and an end to discrimination in jobs and housing. ". Well that was clearly push back from nationalist comments at the beginning in 1920 that said they were more than happy with the outcome as the Catholic majority in some county's would allow for trouble from the outset and that they would soon outnumber the unionists for a democratic vote. All weve concluded from this debate is today we really still dont have a clue how to actually unite a truly divided populace where both sides can be happy without falling back onto nationalism and then purging the minority who disagree | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish" It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. | |||
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" Well that was clearly push back from nationalist comments at the beginning in 1920 that said they were more than happy with the outcome as the Catholic majority in some county's would allow for trouble from the outset and that they would soon outnumber the unionists for a democratic vote. All weve concluded from this debate is today we really still dont have a clue how to actually unite a truly divided populace where both sides can be happy without falling back onto nationalism and then purging the minority who disagree" What? | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. ". The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true. Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples | |||
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" Well that was clearly push back from nationalist comments at the beginning in 1920 that said they were more than happy with the outcome as the Catholic majority in some county's would allow for trouble from the outset and that they would soon outnumber the unionists for a democratic vote. All weve concluded from this debate is today we really still dont have a clue how to actually unite a truly divided populace where both sides can be happy without falling back onto nationalism and then purging the minority who disagree What? ". What what what .
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"Oh Michael give up...nothing you can do with him...beyond rediculous isn't the word...as someone pointed out he has a half arsed notion and no matter how much fact you put before him his brain is incapable of processing it "whatever 22-9 | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish" So I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Lol, no. I've gave you an opportunity to improve your knowledge about the situation. This is what I want to avoid, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39248187 That could be any mother from here. The causes of the conflict here are deep rooted. You feel quite strongly about it. I've just been trying to put things in context. I got tea and cake to look forward to. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. .
The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true.
Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples"I think at least 5 or 6 people have pointed out numerous statements of yours that make no sense. You are making pronouncements about stuff that you clearly don't have any understanding though, hence a couple of people have suggested some reading material for you! The thing that's amusing me most is that you seem to believe that there was some element of democracy involved in partition here. | |||
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" Well that was clearly push back from nationalist comments at the beginning in 1920 that said they were more than happy with the outcome as the Catholic majority in some county's would allow for trouble from the outset and that they would soon outnumber the unionists for a democratic vote. All weve concluded from this debate is today we really still dont have a clue how to actually unite a truly divided populace where both sides can be happy without falling back onto nationalism and then purging the minority who disagree What? .
What what what .
Its boring me now and ive got sheep to see to teraa "I have no idea what your above post was referring to. The bit about the "nationalist comments in 1920".. What's that? | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. .
The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true.
Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples
I think at least 5 or 6 people have pointed out numerous statements of yours that make no sense. You are making pronouncements about stuff that you clearly don't have any understanding though, hence a couple of people have suggested some reading material for you! The thing that's amusing me most is that you seem to believe that there was some element of democracy involved in partition here. ". No that's a false assertion again. I said n Ireland opted out of the free state by letter from n Irish parliament to king George. If they hadn't then n Ireland wouldnt have remained The fact remains 1 million Irish people didnt want to live under a Catholic Ireland and wanted to remain in the union | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish So I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Lol, no. I've gave you an opportunity to improve your knowledge about the situation. This is what I want to avoid, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39248187 That could be any mother from here. The causes of the conflict here are deep rooted. You feel quite strongly about it. I've just been trying to put things in context. I got tea and cake to look forward to." . Again thats just your opinion that your knowledgeable and im ignorant nothing youve wrote today has argued at all to the point i was making abut nationalism!. What youve done is typical of nationalist throughout the world in ever country as ive tried to show you, your message is no different than Assads or Mugabes | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish So I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Lol, no. I've gave you an opportunity to improve your knowledge about the situation. This is what I want to avoid, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39248187 That could be any mother from here. The causes of the conflict here are deep rooted. You feel quite strongly about it. I've just been trying to put things in context. I got tea and cake to look forward to.. Again thats just your opinion that your knowledgeable and im ignorant nothing youve wrote today has argued at all to the point i was making abut nationalism!. What youve done is typical of nationalist throughout the world in ever country as ive tried to show you, your message is no different than Assads or Mugabes" Assad, Mugabe, you threw in Hitler as well? I'm just an tall skinny mick. Good luck with the reading and the sheep. Remember 'everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts'. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. .
The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true.
Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples
I think at least 5 or 6 people have pointed out numerous statements of yours that make no sense. You are making pronouncements about stuff that you clearly don't have any understanding though, hence a couple of people have suggested some reading material for you! The thing that's amusing me most is that you seem to believe that there was some element of democracy involved in partition here. .
No that's a false assertion again.
I said n Ireland opted out of the free state by letter from n Irish parliament to king George. If they hadn't then n Ireland wouldnt have remained
The fact remains 1 million Irish people didnt want to live under a Catholic Ireland and wanted to remain in the union"You may have missed your government's "government of Ireland act 1920" which was what brought about partition. There was no democracy involved. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish So I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Lol, no. I've gave you an opportunity to improve your knowledge about the situation. This is what I want to avoid, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39248187 That could be any mother from here. The causes of the conflict here are deep rooted. You feel quite strongly about it. I've just been trying to put things in context. I got tea and cake to look forward to.. Again thats just your opinion that your knowledgeable and im ignorant nothing youve wrote today has argued at all to the point i was making abut nationalism!. What youve done is typical of nationalist throughout the world in ever country as ive tried to show you, your message is no different than Assads or Mugabes Assad, Mugabe, you threw in Hitler as well? I'm just an tall skinny mick. Good luck with the reading and the sheep. Remember 'everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts'." . What facts Mick?. Lets look back at my side of the argument. I said the best outcome for Ireland was in my opinion the current one, i said i was for n Ireland overseeing its own affairs. My entire argument against nationalisim was that it never seeks to look after the minority, in this case protestant unionists only to purge them, i pointed out countless cases throughout the world where this had occurred. Did i say what the UK government actions were good, no i said they were the best of the worst. Nationalists answer to how they would unite a divided populace(unionists and nationalism) is always just unite and it will be all jolly i promise. However historically?as i pointed out this is usually the opposite, they tend to purge them out of society or bring up little historical things like, oh there not really Irish, there descendants of immigrants even if theyve been here 400 years!!. So like i said i see it the opposite way, my opinion is that Ireland should think themselves lucky they didnt turn into Syria and remained at least relatively stable until the point that sometime in the distant future they could possibly put that big difference behind them and on that point i will bring you back to my first point that with people like the guy from Drogheda? spouting his nationalism i doubt it will happen anytime soon | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. .
The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true.
Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples
I think at least 5 or 6 people have pointed out numerous statements of yours that make no sense. You are making pronouncements about stuff that you clearly don't have any understanding though, hence a couple of people have suggested some reading material for you! The thing that's amusing me most is that you seem to believe that there was some element of democracy involved in partition here. .
No that's a false assertion again.
I said n Ireland opted out of the free state by letter from n Irish parliament to king George. If they hadn't then n Ireland wouldnt have remained
The fact remains 1 million Irish people didnt want to live under a Catholic Ireland and wanted to remain in the union
You may have missed your government's "government of Ireland act 1920" which was what brought about partition. There was no democracy involved. ". Im sorry i thought it was an elected Northern Irish parliament that wrote to king George to ask to keep Northern Ireland separate? I apologize if thats not the case | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish So I should accept that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge? Lol, no. I've gave you an opportunity to improve your knowledge about the situation. This is what I want to avoid, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39248187 That could be any mother from here. The causes of the conflict here are deep rooted. You feel quite strongly about it. I've just been trying to put things in context. I got tea and cake to look forward to.. Again thats just your opinion that your knowledgeable and im ignorant nothing youve wrote today has argued at all to the point i was making abut nationalism!. What youve done is typical of nationalist throughout the world in ever country as ive tried to show you, your message is no different than Assads or Mugabes Assad, Mugabe, you threw in Hitler as well? I'm just an tall skinny mick. Good luck with the reading and the sheep. Remember 'everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts'.. What facts Mick?. Lets look back at my side of the argument. I said the best outcome for Ireland was in my opinion the current one, i said i was for n Ireland overseeing its own affairs. My entire argument against nationalisim was that it never seeks to look after the minority, in this case protestant unionists only to purge them, i pointed out countless cases throughout the world where this had occurred. Did i say what the UK government actions were good, no i said they were the best of the worst. Nationalists answer to how they would unite a divided populace(unionists and nationalism) is always just unite and it will be all jolly i promise. However historically?as i pointed out this is usually the opposite, they tend to purge them out of society or bring up little historical things like, oh there not really Irish, there descendants of immigrants even if theyve been here 400 years!!. So like i said i see it the opposite way, my opinion is that Ireland should think themselves lucky they didnt turn into Syria and remained at least relatively stable until the point that sometime in the distant future they could possibly put that big difference behind them and on that point i will bring you back to my first point that with people like the guy from Drogheda? spouting his nationalism i doubt it will happen anytime soon" The word nationalism has always been a poor enough choice for the independence movement here. Nationalism is usually associated with supremacy these days which is not what was going on over here. It should be noted that the man referred to as the father of Irish republicanism, Theobald Wolfe Tone, himself a protestant, referred to "uniting protestant, catholic, and dissenter" in a new and free Ireland. The 1916 proclamation of the republic also talked of "cherishing all the children of the nation equally". The Catholic Church only achieved its dominance as a result of supporting the winning side in the civil war, the dude armed and supported by your own government. It was after the establishment of the new executive that the clergy managed to gain influence. The revolutionary movement was a republican one and while the vast majority were catholics, they were not fighting for catholic supremacy. Many were excommunicated by the clergy, such was the pro British line that the clergy took during that revolutionary period. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. .
The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true.
Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples
I think at least 5 or 6 people have pointed out numerous statements of yours that make no sense. You are making pronouncements about stuff that you clearly don't have any understanding though, hence a couple of people have suggested some reading material for you! The thing that's amusing me most is that you seem to believe that there was some element of democracy involved in partition here. .
No that's a false assertion again.
I said n Ireland opted out of the free state by letter from n Irish parliament to king George. If they hadn't then n Ireland wouldnt have remained
The fact remains 1 million Irish people didnt want to live under a Catholic Ireland and wanted to remain in the union
You may have missed your government's "government of Ireland act 1920" which was what brought about partition. There was no democracy involved. .
Im sorry i thought it was an elected Northern Irish parliament that wrote to king George to ask to keep Northern Ireland separate?
I apologize if thats not the case"No need to be facetious at all. That was your artificially constructed majority after independence. If you want to know what the majority of Irish people felt have a look at the figures from the last election before your government implemented partition. | |||
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"So there Irish citizens with as much right as any other Irish citizen and they wished to remain part of the union and not under a Catholic church unlike what the majority of Ireland wanted? Tricky situation to solve and one thats been played out in lots of other countries. Ill let you into some good news, it turned out better for Ireland than it did for Syria I don't understand why you keep focusing on the religious aspect. Its interesting that you raise Syria. There's a very interesting book called The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. He notes that many of the troublespots that he reported from were former colonies and places that saw conflict in WW1. Syria, India/Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland....... Good luck with the reading.. That would fit with my argument as well, its what happens with the power vacuum left by the long standing incumbent. Nationalisim of the Irish sort occurred in all those countries as well and the majority picked on the minority in all those cases and used the narratives that youve asserted. Personally i find it best not to try and belittle people in debates by saying "good luck reading" after every post, its childish It's quite clear though that you really do need to do some reading on Irish history and British involvement in it. .
The Nazis used the same technique as you, just keep repeating a line till it appears true.
Go back find what i said was wrong and amend it, simples
I think at least 5 or 6 people have pointed out numerous statements of yours that make no sense. You are making pronouncements about stuff that you clearly don't have any understanding though, hence a couple of people have suggested some reading material for you! The thing that's amusing me most is that you seem to believe that there was some element of democracy involved in partition here. .
No that's a false assertion again.
I said n Ireland opted out of the free state by letter from n Irish parliament to king George. If they hadn't then n Ireland wouldnt have remained
The fact remains 1 million Irish people didnt want to live under a Catholic Ireland and wanted to remain in the union
You may have missed your government's "government of Ireland act 1920" which was what brought about partition. There was no democracy involved. .
Im sorry i thought it was an elected Northern Irish parliament that wrote to king George to ask to keep Northern Ireland separate?
I apologize if thats not the case
No need to be facetious at all. That was your artificially constructed majority after independence. If you want to know what the majority of Irish people felt have a look at the figures from the last election before your government implemented partition. ". I wasnt being facetious, thats how I read it, if id read it wrong i was apologising. | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums ". Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are. For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war?" I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums .
Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are.
For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep "point proved...told us we would slaughter our Protestant neighbors and republicans were genocidal lunatics,and your moaning about name calling...theres just no dealing with stupid | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums .
Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are.
For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep "Your lack of knowledge of the history of the island that's sitting in the sea about 60 miles away from you is quite amusing though, as is your ability to invent a whole new version of history. You could go far as a writer of fiction! It kinda has to be believeable though so that could be your downfall! | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums .
Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are.
For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep point proved...told us we would slaughter our Protestant neighbors and republicans were genocidal lunatics,and your moaning about name calling...theres just no dealing with stupid ". No i said it stopped the Irish falling into sectarian civil war violence. The only person accusing people of genocide ra#e and murder is you and its the third time youve done it?. It seems quite obvious why the unionists didnt want to go with your ilk | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums .
Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are.
For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep point proved...told us we would slaughter our Protestant neighbors and republicans were genocidal lunatics,and your moaning about name calling...theres just no dealing with stupid .
No i said it stopped the Irish falling into sectarian civil war violence.
The only person accusing people of genocide ra#e and murder is you and its the third time youve done it?.
It seems quite obvious why the unionists didnt want to go with your ilk "Ummm, youve implied that the Irish would "purge" unionists from Northern Ireland with no basis whatsoever. That didnt happen in the Republic at any stage and therea no one on the nationalist side even hinting at that. Not to mention the obvious point of "of course we dont want to do that". Honestly your accusations that protestants would suffer under a united Ireland are baseless and ignorant and reveal more about your outlook on the world than anything else. | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums .
Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are.
For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep point proved...told us we would slaughter our Protestant neighbors and republicans were genocidal lunatics,and your moaning about name calling...theres just no dealing with stupid .
No i said it stopped the Irish falling into sectarian civil war violence.
The only person accusing people of genocide ra#e and murder is you and its the third time youve done it?.
It seems quite obvious why the unionists didnt want to go with your ilk
Ummm, youve implied that the Irish would "purge" unionists from Northern Ireland with no basis whatsoever. That didnt happen in the Republic at any stage and therea no one on the nationalist side even hinting at that. Not to mention the obvious point of "of course we dont want to do that".
Honestly your accusations that protestants would suffer under a united Ireland are baseless and ignorant and reveal more about your outlook on the world than anything else.". This getting repetitive? I already explained how i got to that conclusion by looking at every other county that did similar and feel into a bitter civil war aka Baltic states, Syria, Iraq etc etc etc. Youve yet to tell me why this wouldnt happen just that, oh take my word for it?. | |||
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"epetitive? I already explained how i got to that conclusion by looking at every other county that did similar and feel into a bitter civil war aka Baltic states, Syria, Iraq etc etc etc. Youve yet to tell me why this wouldnt happen just that, oh take my word for it?." Its been explained to you several times. We're not Syria or the Balkans. When the Free State came into being, by your logic, we'd have mistreated the protestants in the south. But that didnt happen. So rather than judge us on other peoples actions, judge us on our own. So thats the evidence that proves you wrong. But lets look at how ludicrous it is. Explain how this would actually work. We'd suddenly, out of nowhere, start persecuting protestants. Even though its against the declaration on human rights. Even though it breaches EU law and would get us fined to incredible amounts. Even though there is no public or political support for this. And the "purge" as you call it. Is that stealing land and houses and property from these people and forcefully deporting them from the country? You think we're suddenly going to set up a gestapo and suddenly do this. Despite the international blowback, despite the sanctions the UK would undoubtably and justifiably place on us. Despite the fact it would guarantee a return to violence in the North? Your opinion is stupid. Thats why youre getting called names here. I wont call you names but if this is actually the way you think then you have issues. Thats all I can say. | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too"That's colonialism for you! | |||
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"Seriously lads give up...your dealing with a profound idiot...no bit of factual history will register on him...his psychic ability outweighs all rational thought,I think the hitler comment summed him up...a colonialist,imperialist who slaughtered,raped and pillaged with the firm belief he had the right to dictate to people how to live and he compared him to us...it's like we're dealing with the special olympics of the forums .
Theres no need for childish name calling it just shows you for what you are.
For your attention i was born on Angelsey to a long long long long line of people on Angelsey, the last pillaging we did was last weeks neighbours sheep point proved...told us we would slaughter our Protestant neighbors and republicans were genocidal lunatics,and your moaning about name calling...theres just no dealing with stupid .
No i said it stopped the Irish falling into sectarian civil war violence.
The only person accusing people of genocide ra#e and murder is you and its the third time youve done it?.
It seems quite obvious why the unionists didnt want to go with your ilk
Ummm, youve implied that the Irish would "purge" unionists from Northern Ireland with no basis whatsoever. That didnt happen in the Republic at any stage and therea no one on the nationalist side even hinting at that. Not to mention the obvious point of "of course we dont want to do that".
Honestly your accusations that protestants would suffer under a united Ireland are baseless and ignorant and reveal more about your outlook on the world than anything else..
This getting repetitive?
I already explained how i got to that conclusion by looking at every other county that did similar and feel into a bitter civil war aka Baltic states, Syria, Iraq etc etc etc.
Youve yet to tell me why this wouldnt happen just that, oh take my word for it?."Syria, Iraq Ireland, India/Pakistan/Bangladesh All former colonies, all experienced civil war. You've displayed a complete lack of knowledge of Irish history and Britain's involvement. You've made baseless, frankly laughable claims about genocidal intent. You've drawn comparisons with Mugabe, Assad and Hitler  I have gave you several sources of information so that you might educate yourself. My ilk? Hmnnn
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! ". I never said it wasnt! Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?. | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
"I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. | |||
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"epetitive? I already explained how i got to that conclusion by looking at every other county that did similar and feel into a bitter civil war aka Baltic states, Syria, Iraq etc etc etc. Youve yet to tell me why this wouldnt happen just that, oh take my word for it?. Its been explained to you several times. We're not Syria or the Balkans. When the Free State came into being, by your logic, we'd have mistreated the protestants in the south. But that didnt happen. So rather than judge us on other peoples actions, judge us on our own. So thats the evidence that proves you wrong. But lets look at how ludicrous it is. " . But it was quite clear i was talking about the historical context of partition from a hundred years ago and not last week. Honestly your just twisting everything i wrote. I was debating about how nationalism makes minorites inclusive, it clearly never has in the past anywhere in the world but lets assume youd be different just for you!. For the last 18 years Northern Ireland could have voted sinn fein if they wanted unity but they havent so they obviously didnt. Im happy to see them have this compromise if MAYBE thats what helps stop future violence because going off previous problematic countries thats whats happened | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. ". No significance,i was asking you a question so i could see your point of view | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. "Which our Welsh friend has being doing all day. He 's quite set in his view and opinions. His factual knowledge is limited. I've tried to enlighten him several times, unfortunately I cannot help him understand. | |||
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"Oh, and in response to an earlier claim from you that we avoided a civil war as a result of your generosity of spirit, I suggest you Google "Irish civil war". It happened, and in a nice little twist, it was started with artillery borrowed from yourselves as a result of threats from Lloyd George. " . I never mentioned anything about a generosity of spirit to be honest, i was pointing out that IT'S POSSIBLE that Ireland actually avoided the worse scenario of a full blown civil war due to being partitioned | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed.
Which our Welsh friend has being doing all day. He 's quite set in his view and opinions. His factual knowledge is limited. I've tried to enlighten him several times, unfortunately I cannot help him understand.". No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP  | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. .
No significance,i was asking you a question so i could see your point of view"Right...
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed.
Which our Welsh friend has being doing all day. He 's quite set in his view and opinions. His factual knowledge is limited. I've tried to enlighten him several times, unfortunately I cannot help him understand..
No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP "UDP? Who are they? | |||
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"Oh, and in response to an earlier claim from you that we avoided a civil war as a result of your generosity of spirit, I suggest you Google "Irish civil war". It happened, and in a nice little twist, it was started with artillery borrowed from yourselves as a result of threats from Lloyd George. . I never mentioned anything about a generosity of spirit to be honest, i was pointing out that IT'S POSSIBLE that Ireland actually avoided the worse scenario of a full blown civil war due to being partitioned "And again... We didn't. | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. .
No significance,i was asking you a question so i could see your point of view
Right...
I can't keep up with you as you keep jumping from one incoherent bit of rambling to another. I'll sit back and see if you actually address any of the previous points before you manage to come up with some new musings.
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. .
No significance,i was asking you a question so i could see your point of view
Right...
I can't keep up with you as you keep jumping from one incoherent bit of rambling to another. I'll sit back and see if you actually address any of the previous points before you manage to come up with some new musings.
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What points do you want me to address?.
That always helps in a debate rather than just having a go at somebody"Whats the UDP? | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. .
No significance,i was asking you a question so i could see your point of view
Right...
I can't keep up with you as you keep jumping from one incoherent bit of rambling to another. I'll sit back and see if you actually address any of the previous points before you manage to come up with some new musings.
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What points do you want me to address?.
That always helps in a debate rather than just having a go at somebody
Whats the UDP?"Debate? That would require you having some knowledge of what you're talking about. | |||
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"Which election should i look at? You mean the Irish elections of sinn fein after the war? I presumed you knew when your government imposed partition over here. It appears not. .
Technically it was your government too
That's colonialism for you! .
I never said it wasnt!
Its funny how when having a debate people just twist everything you say to suit there own agenda?.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the significance of the election after the war was? You threw that in while dodging my point about the last election before partition was imposed. .
No significance,i was asking you a question so i could see your point of view
Right...
I can't keep up with you as you keep jumping from one incoherent bit of rambling to another. I'll sit back and see if you actually address any of the previous points before you manage to come up with some new musings.
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What points do you want me to address?.
That always helps in a debate rather than just having a go at somebody
Whats the UDP?
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" No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP
Thats a new one for me, I thought I knew most of the political parties both sides of the border. Are they new? Have they a website?.
More childishness, just have a go at my misplaced letter not that you had a clue that you know i meant DUP.
"At this stage I'm just laughing at you. The DUP are not a political party in the republic of Ireland. Yes, some people vote for them in northern ireland, whats your point? | |||
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" No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP
Thats a new one for me, I thought I knew most of the political parties both sides of the border. Are they new? Have they a website?.
More childishness, just have a go at my misplaced letter not that you had a clue that you know i meant DUP.
At this stage I'm just laughing at you. The DUP are not a political party in the republic of Ireland. Yes, some people vote for them in northern ireland, whats your point?". That was my point, i said its no wonder some Irish vote for the DUP?. | |||
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" No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP
Thats a new one for me, I thought I knew most of the political parties both sides of the border. Are they new? Have they a website?.
More childishness, just have a go at my misplaced letter not that you had a clue that you know i meant DUP.
At this stage I'm just laughing at you. The DUP are not a political party in the republic of Ireland. Yes, some people vote for them in northern ireland, whats your point?.
That was my point, i said its no wonder some Irish vote for the DUP?.
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" No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP
Thats a new one for me, I thought I knew most of the political parties both sides of the border. Are they new? Have they a website?.
More childishness, just have a go at my misplaced letter not that you had a clue that you know i meant DUP.
At this stage I'm just laughing at you. The DUP are not a political party in the republic of Ireland. Yes, some people vote for them in northern ireland, whats your point?.
That was my point, i said its no wonder some Irish vote for the DUP?.
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"Funny you should mention buggery. The DUP campaigned against legalising homosexuality with the slogan 'Save Ulster From Sodomy'" . It wasnt that long ago that the republic Ireland did as well!. So whats your answer to the 1 million Irish people who dont want to live under a united Ireland? | |||
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" No wonder theres some Irish who vote UDP
Thats a new one for me, I thought I knew most of the political parties both sides of the border. Are they new? Have they a website?.
More childishness, just have a go at my misplaced letter not that you had a clue that you know i meant DUP.
At this stage I'm just laughing at you. The DUP are not a political party in the republic of Ireland. Yes, some people vote for them in northern ireland, whats your point?.
That was my point, i said its no wonder some Irish vote for the DUP?.
Trust me, DUP voters would be a little uneasy about being called Irish.
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"Funny you should mention buggery. The DUP campaigned against legalising homosexuality with the slogan 'Save Ulster From Sodomy'. It wasnt that long ago that the republic Ireland did as well!. So whats your answer to the 1 million Irish people who dont want to live under a united Ireland?" Democracy? | |||
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" democracy?. They had it they voted out, they still got it and they still vote out, have you ever actually stopped to wonder why they dont want to be with you? " | |||
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