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Of course the Scottish govt has got to publish the Gers figures, they're Scotland's accounts. Would you prefer they hid them? Also, can you tell me which 'LAW' you are talking about and I'll go check it out anyway. Ta
The GERS figures went through a major review by the SNP and have been altered and refined by them over the years. Let's not forget the SNP's own words in their White Paper, where they quoted Gers figures 15 times:
"GERS is the authoritative publication on Scotland’s public finances"
That is the SNP's own words and that was from their White Paper where they had no need to make such a statement if they didn't believe it. The only people who deny the Gers figures are followers of the Bath conman and people who don't want to believe the finances. | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much "Who wants it so much?? I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it. In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum, Quite recently, and the majority of Scots didn't want it. . I'm a wee bit bewildered, what makes you think,anythings changed???  | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
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I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
"Not sure, what have changed there, but it is good to be in the single market | |||
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"I hope Scotland do get independence. Would allow a decent tax cut in England!"  yep
Why not let the English Vote ?
I'm sure we would happily say bye bye Scotland | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
.
I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
"It's a new rule. Keep having a referendum until the whingy losers get the result they want  | |||
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"I hope Scotland do get independence. Would allow a decent tax cut in England! yep
Why not let the English Vote ?
I'm sure we would happily say bye bye Scotland "I've no doubt you are right but that's not how it works. It it was full Federalism that was on the table, then sure, England would have a say, but not for Scottish independence. | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
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I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
"Luckily you are in the majority and most Scottish people are canny enough to realise the if Scotland became independent the economy would collapse . Despite all the noise from SNP , it is difficult to see how Scotland could ever become independent , there is simply not enough support for it . | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
.
I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
Luckily you are in the majority and most Scottish people are canny enough to realise the if Scotland became independent the economy would collapse .
Despite all the noise from SNP , it is difficult to see how Scotland could ever become independent , there is simply not enough support for it ."New poll today is 50% /50% Scotland must be the only country in the world that everyone thinks cant be independent but everyone can be independent. There is smaller countries than Scotland for example Norway 4 million people. Lets not forget David Cameron's fuck up on the Marr show Marr said Norway doing pretty well just now and Cameron replied with this '' They ( Norway) have as much oil as we ( UK ) do and only 4 million people rather than 60 million Scotland has 5 million and people really think we cant go it on our own lol The Tories sure do like fucking up big time | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
.
I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
Luckily you are in the majority and most Scottish people are canny enough to realise the if Scotland became independent the economy would collapse .
Despite all the noise from SNP , it is difficult to see how Scotland could ever become independent , there is simply not enough support for it .
New poll today is 50% /50%
Scotland must be the only country in the world that everyone thinks cant be independent but everyone can be independent.
There is smaller countries than Scotland for example Norway 4 million people.
Lets not forget David Cameron's fuck up on the Marr show
Marr said Norway doing pretty well just now and Cameron replied with this '' They ( Norway) have as much oil as we ( UK ) do and only 4 million people rather than 60 million
Scotland has 5 million and people really think we cant go it on our own lol
The Tories sure do like fucking up big time "It's not the case people don't think we can go it on our own. It's just that it's very clear that we'll take a massive financial hit if we do. We made the right decision the last time thankfully and dodged a bullet. | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
.
I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
Luckily you are in the majority and most Scottish people are canny enough to realise the if Scotland became independent the economy would collapse .
Despite all the noise from SNP , it is difficult to see how Scotland could ever become independent , there is simply not enough support for it .
New poll today is 50% /50%
Scotland must be the only country in the world that everyone thinks cant be independent but everyone can be independent.
There is smaller countries than Scotland for example Norway 4 million people.
Lets not forget David Cameron's fuck up on the Marr show
Marr said Norway doing pretty well just now and Cameron replied with this '' They ( Norway) have as much oil as we ( UK ) do and only 4 million people rather than 60 million
Scotland has 5 million and people really think we cant go it on our own lol
The Tories sure do like fucking up big time
It's not the case people don't think we can go it on our own. It's just that it's very clear that we'll take a massive financial hit if we do. We made the right decision the last time thankfully and dodged a bullet."Financial hit ? I get why people can be afraid to have a leap of faith but as i said money is not devolved to Scotland so that means its the mis-management under Westminster governments that have caused the problems the Scottish government can only work with what it has infront of it. What would swing it for people in Scotland to become a yes voter ? Surely you dont want yet another Tory government that Scotland never votes for yet we have to suffer Tory cuts it makes no sence. Scotland has much more than oil and even that is only a bonus. I even heard on social media people saying an independent Scotland would stop trading with England how crazy is that we are not out to punish England we want England as neigbours and trading partners we just are fed up with Westminsters governments that we dont vote deciding whats best for the Scottish people. I for one feel sick that the Tories are gonna take money off of unfit people on ESA there is the prove they dont give a shit about people its all about keeping their pals and bankers rich while we all suffer their cuts. Scotland can be alot better than that and like i said i wouldnt mind the North of England come and joining us or even London being independent but Westminster rule needs to end here in Scotland and i only hope England can wake up and see the Tories and UKIP do not care and lets hope Labour come back to being the working man's party. | |||
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" Financial hit ? I get why people can be afraid to have a leap of faith but as i said money is not devolved to Scotland so that means its the mis-management under Westminster governments that have caused the problems the Scottish government can only work with what it has infront of it. What would swing it for people in Scotland to become a yes voter ? Surely you dont want yet another Tory government that Scotland never votes for yet we have to suffer Tory cuts it makes no sence. Scotland has much more than oil and even that is only a bonus. I even heard on social media people saying an independent Scotland would stop trading with England how crazy is that we are not out to punish England we want England as neigbours and trading partners we just are fed up with Westminsters governments that we dont vote deciding whats best for the Scottish people. I for one feel sick that the Tories are gonna take money off of unfit people on ESA there is the prove they dont give a shit about people its all about keeping their pals and bankers rich while we all suffer their cuts. Scotland can be alot better than that and like i said i wouldnt mind the North of England come and joining us or even London being independent but Westminster rule needs to end here in Scotland and i only hope England can wake up and see the Tories and UKIP do not care and lets hope Labour come back to being the working man's party. " A leap of faith? I'd rather not, especially as we now know how badly that would've gone. Also, you mention oil being a bonus but £8bn of it was included in the SNP's post indy spending plans and they've now admitted it was central to the economy and definitely not a bonus. It's been all over the news as it's come from the SNP's own growth commision. You mention money not being devolved to Scotland, what exactly do you mean? Almost £40 billion is devolved to Scotland and Welfare payments will also be devolved soon. I also think you misunderstand the trading position with England. People are saying when the UK leaves the EU and an independent Scotland joins the EU then Scotland will have the same trade barriers with England as the rest of the EU. We can't just decide to continue trading as normal with England, the EU will decide on the trade deals and we'll just have to go along with that. You seem overly focused on the Tories but governments come and go, taking billions out of the economy because of the current government is cutting your nose off to spite your face. | |||
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" Financial hit ? I get why people can be afraid to have a leap of faith but as i said money is not devolved to Scotland so that means its the mis-management under Westminster governments that have caused the problems the Scottish government can only work with what it has infront of it" The Scottish government has huge powers over spending and now also tax raising, it's the SNP that are mis-managing the economy. You have to ask why the economy was similar to the rest of the UK but under the SNP it has started lagging behind? Why has it only been recently been getting worse? Why is business confidence lower in Scotland than the rest of the UK (and Brexit's not the reason or it would be the same). The SNP are slowly wrecking the economy in the same manner they're wrecking other areas they have under their control such as higher education. | |||
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"Money IS devolved to Scotland. They get a huge subsidy from Westminster. They are able to choose how and why and on what it is spent....education, health, social care etc. are under the Scottish parliament control....and a right pigs ear they have made of their finances. Luckily most Scots realise this....hence the majority to stay in the union last time. Wee Kranky is bluffing with her new referendum talk...she knows she would lose again!" Most indy supporters repeat the SNP's mantra of tory cuts without actually checking the facts to see if they're being lied to (which they are). If they took the time to look at the latest Scottish Govt budget they'd find hidden away at the back a table showing the budget has gone up by £100m this year and is higher than it has ever been. It's also going up next year again by over £900m! I'm pretty certain not a single indy supporter on here will have bothered to look though. | |||
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" Financial hit ? I get why people can be afraid to have a leap of faith but as i said money is not devolved to Scotland so that means its the mis-management under Westminster governments that have caused the problems the Scottish government can only work with what it has infront of it The Scottish government has huge powers over spending and now also tax raising, it's the SNP that are mis-managing the economy. You have to ask why the economy was similar to the rest of the UK but under the SNP it has started lagging behind? Why has it only been recently been getting worse? Why is business confidence lower in Scotland than the rest of the UK (and Brexit's not the reason or it would be the same). The SNP are slowly wrecking the economy in the same manner they're wrecking other areas they have under their control such as higher education." An excellent post . Scotland is addicted to public spending . ( £12,800 per person compared to £11,500 for the uk as a whole ) Scotlands tax base is too small to pay for this which means that it is racking up a massive budget deficit funded by other parts of the UK . For the UK as a whole the shortfall between revenues and expenditures was 4 % of GDP in 2015 but for Scotland it is a disastrous 9.5 % . An independent Scotland would have to slash expenditure massively not to go bankrupt immediately and dump its socialist public sector model . This would be a good thing , but I am guessing not what the SNP wants | |||
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"Why have a discussion about another vote, we had one, it was decided, move on. Perhaps have another in 20 years, it is totally unreasonable to just keep asking for a vote until you get the result you want. At that point is is right for the losers to then ask for a vote to change it back again!? When does it stop... " Move on ? So people that believe in independence should give up ? So should parties give up on trying to win elections ? Things can change and if a party is elected on a manifesto pledge to have a referendum its a mandate there is no escaping that Maybe just maybe if the union parties in Scotland become electable and take it off the table then no one would be talking about | |||
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"Why have a discussion about another vote, we had one, it was decided, move on. Perhaps have another in 20 years, it is totally unreasonable to just keep asking for a vote until you get the result you want. At that point is is right for the losers to then ask for a vote to change it back again!? When does it stop... Move on ? So people that believe in independence should give up ? So should parties give up on trying to win elections ? Things can change and if a party is elected on a manifesto pledge to have a referendum its a mandate there is no escaping that Maybe just maybe if the union parties in Scotland become electable and take it off the table then no one would be talking about" Perhaps just accept that the vote went against you and stop moaning about it! It is getting tedious, if you had won would you accept me asking for a vote to change it all back again... | |||
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" I do believe in electing parties and that party delivering on their manifesto's " And that doesn't apply to the Tories, does it? Can't reduce the deficit. Broken promise on NI? And, best of all, broken promise on Scotland remaining in the EU if the electorate voted No. What a great track record. Now we have Willie Rennie saying he doesn't support another independence referendum but wants another EU referendum? Can't have it both ways, Willie. | |||
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" I do believe in electing parties and that party delivering on their manifesto's And that doesn't apply to the Tories, does it? Can't reduce the deficit. Broken promise on NI? And, best of all, broken promise on Scotland remaining in the EU if the electorate voted No. What a great track record. Now we have Willie Rennie saying he doesn't support another independence referendum but wants another EU referendum? Can't have it both ways, Willie. " Class sizes of 18 or less? Fairer more equal council tax replacement Police Scotland like wtf! Curriculum for excrement. Lowest pisa scores in years.Lowest levels of literacy and numeracy at s1/2, remember those kids have only ever known an SNP driven education policy. "Judge me on education" - N.Sturgeon Named person's act. Just so wrong, on so many levels. (£60 million spent on it so far, that would cover 200 new social workers at 30k each,for 10 years) £100+ million on a farm payments failed it system. What a great track record.... | |||
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" I do believe in electing parties and that party delivering on their manifesto's And that doesn't apply to the Tories, does it? Can't reduce the deficit. Broken promise on NI? And, best of all, broken promise on Scotland remaining in the EU if the electorate voted No. What a great track record. Now we have Willie Rennie saying he doesn't support another independence referendum but wants another EU referendum? Can't have it both ways, Willie. Class sizes of 18 or less? Fairer more equal council tax replacement Police Scotland like wtf! Curriculum for excrement. Lowest pisa scores in years.Lowest levels of literacy and numeracy at s1/2, remember those kids have only ever known an SNP driven education policy. "Judge me on education" - N.Sturgeon Named person's act. Just so wrong, on so many levels. (£60 million spent on it so far, that would cover 200 new social workers at 30k each,for 10 years) £100+ million on a farm payments failed it system. What a great track record.... " Those are problems that are unique to Scotland. Listen to the concerns on class sizes in English schools this morning. Virtually every day last week the headline news was about the crisis in the English NHS and shortages of beds. I'm not denying for one second that public services across the UK as a whole, and Scotland as well, are under huge pressure. However, much of this is down to the governments draconian austerity measures which, frankly, aren't showing much sign of success at the moment. I know you will argue that recent financial forecasts show the deficit reducing faster than had been forecast but we all know how wildly off the mark some of these forecasts can be. A lot can and probably will change over the next few years. There is, however, a fundamental difference between making manifesto pledges and working towards them and complete U turns. | |||
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" I do believe in electing parties and that party delivering on their manifesto's And that doesn't apply to the Tories, does it? Can't reduce the deficit. Broken promise on NI? And, best of all, broken promise on Scotland remaining in the EU if the electorate voted No. What a great track record. Now we have Willie Rennie saying he doesn't support another independence referendum but wants another EU referendum? Can't have it both ways, Willie. Class sizes of 18 or less? Fairer more equal council tax replacement Police Scotland like wtf! Curriculum for excrement. Lowest pisa scores in years.Lowest levels of literacy and numeracy at s1/2, remember those kids have only ever known an SNP driven education policy. "Judge me on education" - N.Sturgeon Named person's act. Just so wrong, on so many levels. (£60 million spent on it so far, that would cover 200 new social workers at 30k each,for 10 years) £100+ million on a farm payments failed it system. What a great track record.... Those are problems that are unique to Scotland. Listen to the concerns on class sizes in English schools this morning. Virtually every day last week the headline news was about the crisis in the English NHS and shortages of beds. I'm not denying for one second that public services across the UK as a whole, and Scotland as well, are under huge pressure. However, much of this is down to the governments draconian austerity measures which, frankly, aren't showing much sign of success at the moment. I know you will argue that recent financial forecasts show the deficit reducing faster than had been forecast but we all know how wildly off the mark some of these forecasts can be. A lot can and probably will change over the next few years. There is, however, a fundamental difference between making manifesto pledges and working towards them and complete U turns." Oh look the English squirrel... 10 years, that's more than 1/2 the lifetime of the Scottish parliament, the Snp have been in power. Education, Police, Health have been fully devolved. They have full power to spend the Scottish budget, yet seem to want to blame it on someone else when it goes tits up. How much does BBC alba cost? Forcing kids to learn a language that was never spoken in the lowlands and borders never mind the northeast. These decisions lie at the door of the 1st minister in Holyrood, not the door of the incumbent @ 10 Downing Street. The SNP are only stronger for the SNP. "Independence trancends all" - N.Sturgeon Translates as: I don't care if you lose your job or can't feed your kids because we won our "freedom". It's ok for her and her hubby on their £250 k pa. And Gold plated Scottish Government pension pot. The rest of us poor proles will be the ones to suffer. | |||
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"Money is not devolved. How else to you explain the Westminster treasury in yesterday budget saying they will give Scotland £350million of our own money wow some gift that is. " This is going to sound condescending but I don't mean it: I don't think you understand what devolved means. Also, where exactly are you getting the idea the £350m is Scotland's money being sent back to us? Its not, it's money over and above the revenue we raise that is coming to us from the UK government due to barnett consequentials. | |||
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"I hope Scotland do get independence. Would allow a decent tax cut in England! yep
Why not let the English Vote ?
I'm sure we would happily say bye bye Scotland "I hope so. Then we can stop paying for 10% of every single publicly funded project in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In the absence of this "spending on Scotland's behalf" Scotland actually ran a multi billion pound surplus last year, in the height of austerity and with a population share of oil, the price of which was in the gutter. Enjoy your tax cut, it exists only in your head. | |||
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" I hope so. Then we can stop paying for 10% of every single publicly funded project in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In the absence of this "spending on Scotland's behalf" Scotland actually ran a multi billion pound surplus last year, in the height of austerity and with a population share of oil, the price of which was in the gutter. Enjoy your tax cut, it exists only in your head. " I need to correct a few things here. 1) Scotland doesn't pay 10% of every single publically funded project in the rest of the UK. We do pay a population share (8.2%) of some national projects. Also, something like HS2 is worked out on the basis of regional benefits so we only pay 2% of it. 2) Scotland didn't run a multi-billion surplus taking oil into account last year. This is utter fantasy. Oil revenues dropped to only £1.8 billion in 2014/15 and then even further in 2015/16 to a tiny £60 million. If you have evidence (and you can use the SNP's own figures) then post the source here. I know you can't though. | |||
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"Ouch... there goes the theory that Spain would veto an independent Scotland being in the EU. The BBC of all people reported it the MEP from the ruling party in government in Spain said they would NOT try and stop an independent Scotland rejoining the EU. There goes that myth. " Which MEP, because there are others saying the opposite? | |||
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"would it mean cheaper whiskey?" No. Whiskey is Irish! | |||
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" I hope so. Then we can stop paying for 10% of every single publicly funded project in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In the absence of this "spending on Scotland's behalf" Scotland actually ran a multi billion pound surplus last year, in the height of austerity and with a population share of oil, the price of which was in the gutter. Enjoy your tax cut, it exists only in your head. I need to correct a few things here. 1) Scotland doesn't pay 10% of every single publically funded project in the rest of the UK. We do pay a population share (8.2%) of some national projects. Also, something like HS2 is worked out on the basis of regional benefits so we only pay 2% of it. 2) Scotland didn't run a multi-billion surplus taking oil into account last year. This is utter fantasy. Oil revenues dropped to only £1.8 billion in 2014/15 and then even further in 2015/16 to a tiny £60 million. If you have evidence (and you can use the SNP's own figures) then post the source here. I know you can't though." 8.2%, 10%, it makes no difference. Scotland ran a surplus of almost £3Bn last year. Figures, very simple, the source is GERS. Strip out the discretionary spending that wouldn't take place under independence, strip out Trident etc etc etc, and you have a huge surplus. What was it you were correcting again? | |||
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"Ouch... there goes the theory that Spain would veto an independent Scotland being in the EU. The BBC of all people reported it the MEP from the ruling party in government in Spain said they would NOT try and stop an independent Scotland rejoining the EU. There goes that myth. Which MEP, because there are others saying the opposite?" Esteban Gonzalez Pons the MEP for Mr Rajoy party that is in government You know it's bad news when even the BBC are reporting it | |||
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" I hope so. Then we can stop paying for 10% of every single publicly funded project in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In the absence of this "spending on Scotland's behalf" Scotland actually ran a multi billion pound surplus last year, in the height of austerity and with a population share of oil, the price of which was in the gutter. Enjoy your tax cut, it exists only in your head. I need to correct a few things here. 1) Scotland doesn't pay 10% of every single publically funded project in the rest of the UK. We do pay a population share (8.2%) of some national projects. Also, something like HS2 is worked out on the basis of regional benefits so we only pay 2% of it. 2) Scotland didn't run a multi-billion surplus taking oil into account last year. This is utter fantasy. Oil revenues dropped to only £1.8 billion in 2014/15 and then even further in 2015/16 to a tiny £60 million. If you have evidence (and you can use the SNP's own figures) then post the source here. I know you can't though. 8.2%, 10%, it makes no difference. Scotland ran a surplus of almost £3Bn last year. Figures, very simple, the source is GERS. Strip out the discretionary spending that wouldn't take place under independence, strip out Trident etc etc etc, and you have a huge surplus. What was it you were correcting again?" When we're talking about figures it does help to be precise so 8.2% and 10% are different. Also, as you'll know you haven't answered anything. A hand wavy answer about stripping out discretionary spending means nothing if you can't say exactly what spending wouldn't be needed and how much it accounts for. For example you mention trident (and nothing else), how much are we paying for that exactly just now? Do you even have any idea? I'll help you out if you're looking to formulate an answer, the expenditure information starts on page 28 of Gers. One other bit of assistance I'll give. The SNP's White Paper that they worked so hard on to give a positive picture of Scotland's finances post independence came up with savings in defence and other areas of......£0.6bn. That was what they calculated the reduction in spending would be if we were independent. So given a £15bn deficit and also given even the SNP only claim there would be a reduction in spending of £0.6bn where are you getting the other £17.4bn of money to give us a £3bn surplus? | |||
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"Ouch... there goes the theory that Spain would veto an independent Scotland being in the EU. The BBC of all people reported it the MEP from the ruling party in government in Spain said they would NOT try and stop an independent Scotland rejoining the EU. There goes that myth. Which MEP, because there are others saying the opposite? Esteban Gonzalez Pons the MEP for Mr Rajoy party that is in government You know it's bad news when even the BBC are reporting it " Where exactly did you hear it, I'd like to read or listen to his words because he's been saying the opposite prior to now. I've checked the BBC site, BBC Scotland site, the politics section etc and can't find a single thing about this. Was it reported on the news? If so, which one and I'll go and check it out on Iplayer. | |||
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"Ouch... there goes the theory that Spain would veto an independent Scotland being in the EU. The BBC of all people reported it the MEP from the ruling party in government in Spain said they would NOT try and stop an independent Scotland rejoining the EU. There goes that myth. Which MEP, because there are others saying the opposite? Esteban Gonzalez Pons the MEP for Mr Rajoy party that is in government You know it's bad news when even the BBC are reporting it Where exactly did you hear it, I'd like to read or listen to his words because he's been saying the opposite prior to now. I've checked the BBC site, BBC Scotland site, the politics section etc and can't find a single thing about this. Was it reported on the news? If so, which one and I'll go and check it out on Iplayer." It was on Reporting Scotland He also made it very clear that Catalonia and Scottish independence is very very very different his words. Yiy see what happens what you actually get his word's and not British media sources All in all it’s handy to have something like this on the record for Esterban when the new independence referendum comes a calling | |||
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"Ouch... there goes the theory that Spain would veto an independent Scotland being in the EU. The BBC of all people reported it the MEP from the ruling party in government in Spain said they would NOT try and stop an independent Scotland rejoining the EU. There goes that myth. Which MEP, because there are others saying the opposite? Esteban Gonzalez Pons the MEP for Mr Rajoy party that is in government You know it's bad news when even the BBC are reporting it Where exactly did you hear it, I'd like to read or listen to his words because he's been saying the opposite prior to now. I've checked the BBC site, BBC Scotland site, the politics section etc and can't find a single thing about this. Was it reported on the news? If so, which one and I'll go and check it out on Iplayer. It was on Reporting Scotland He also made it very clear that Catalonia and Scottish independence is very very very different his words. Yiy see what happens what you actually get his word's and not British media sources All in all it’s handy to have something like this on the record for Esterban when the new independence referendum comes a calling" Was it on yesterdays episode? Gonna watch it on the Iplayer so I'm making sure it's the correct one. Also, your post seems to have a belief that somehow the British media lie about these things? You should have a look at Politico then, it's basically an EU magazine. Here's an article from it 2 days ago by Diego Torres http://www.politico.eu/article/no-love-for-scotland-in-spain-2/ The title of the link tells you what it's about. | |||
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"I am not sure that the majority care that much about the EU factor....I voted to remain but will also vote no.. although i have a feeling the question will be changed so that the pro independents will be the no voters... ie Do you believe that Scotland should remain within the UK ? Most people don't seem to care much at all about the EU and Jim Sillars believes the Nats are making a big mistake by trying to overplay it's importance especially as many independence supporters voted leave as well. We voted to remain but don't feel strongly either way about the result." Replying to myself here but I've just read Colin Fox of the Scottish Socialists having his say. He was heavily involved with the Yes movement last time and is being very critical of the SNP for looking to go back on their word to only call a referendum when the polls showed clear support for independence. He's saying they're deluded over their EU beliefs. He said: “The SNP leader is about to ditch that consensus and gamble a section of Scotland’s middle class, who refuse to accept the EU vote, will back independence to stop Brexit. “Her gamble is one which puts the issue of EU membership ahead of independence. “Sturgeon has presented the myth that the EU is some Garden of Eden where privileges are bestowed on Scotland from on high by some guardian angel in Brussels when it is in fact an anti-democratic bureaucracy entirely in the grip of a neoliberal corporate elite." he went on: “SNP diehards who insist that ‘we started out in 2012 with 28 per cent support for independence and reached 45 per cent so we can win simply by doing what we did last time’ are deluded. "The world of September 2014 has gone for ever. “Nor is it healthy to offer mindless cheerleader support to everything Nicola Sturgeon and Angus Robertson say and do. That is not what the independence movement needs.” He said the Yes cause still needed to “assuage the fears of Scotland’s working class majority” over currency, the economy, pensions, wages and “a thousand other unanswered questions” | |||
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"Just found the Spanish minister's comments. He said he wouldn't veto things but Scotland would have to start the application procedure the same as every other country. That part is very important as it means Scotland would have to adopt the Euro (as per Chapter 17 of the membership criteria). We would also have to go through an austerity programme worse than the one forced on Greece in order to get within the EU guidlines of a 3% deficit (also Chapter 17 of the membership criteria as per the Stability and Growth Pact). Failure to do so can result in fines and sanctions. This part here is very important nad is basically the crux of the matter (I wish I could underline it : So basically we're looking to exchange one Union (The UK) where we're running a deficit of over 9%, but it has no financial impact on us whatsoever as it is made up by the UK government, to another Union (The EU) who will force us to reduce spending by billions in every sector of society as well as increasing taxes. Hmm that makes sense . Do you never stop to wonder how we managed to lose a massive £8bn of oil money from our economy in a couple of years and yet never felt it financially? In fact our budget and expenditure has actually gone up despite this loss? With regards to Labour MEP David Martin saying he may vote for independence that's hardly a great revelation. He's an MEP who will be out of work after Brexit I'm not surprised he'd be looking to jump back into his cusy number there. Also I've got to admit, like most MEP's I'd never even heard of the fella before. " No we wouldnt be forced to use the euro we do not meet the criteria for that it. Sweden a Eu member has been since the 90's does not use the euro As for Scotland having to rejoin thats not 100% as Scotland also be allowed to replace the UK as member state and be fast tracked it Either way the myth Spain will veto Scotland has been put the rest and the union parties cant play that card now to scare people to stay in the Uk. Yes some pro indy supporters may have voted leave but some no voters have voted remain and are pissed off at being lied and would vote yes now. Everyone has the right to change their minds on indy And once Holyrood vote on if to have a new indy referendum and passes that will be the mandate for the section 30 ordered to be agreed and lets see if the Eu referendum has changed peoples minds as people do have the right to change their minds on something very important | |||
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" No we wouldnt be forced to use the euro we do not meet the criteria for that it. Sweden a Eu member has been since the 90's does not use the euro As for Scotland having to rejoin thats not 100% as Scotland also be allowed to replace the UK as member state and be fast tracked it Either way the myth Spain will veto Scotland has been put the rest and the union parties cant play that card now to scare people to stay in the Uk. Yes some pro indy supporters may have voted leave but some no voters have voted remain and are pissed off at being lied and would vote yes now. Everyone has the right to change their minds on indy And once Holyrood vote on if to have a new indy referendum and passes that will be the mandate for the section 30 ordered to be agreed and lets see if the Eu referendum has changed peoples minds as people do have the right to change their minds on something very important" I'll respond to your points below: 1)No we wouldnt be forced to use the euro we do not meet the criteria for that it. Sweden a Eu member has been since the 90's does not use the euro - Yes we would, it is clearly laid down in the EU conditions for membership. I even showed the exact chapter that outlines this. You can read it for yourself on the EU site. The fact Sweden doesn't is irrelevant, Sweden isn't looking to join in 2018 under the current conditions, Scotland would be 2) As for Scotland having to rejoin thats not 100% as Scotland also be allowed to replace the UK as member state and be fast tracked it - This is wishful thinking with no basis in fact. If you're going to rave about a single Spanish minister saying they wouldn't block Scotland's application then why are you ignoring the fact he's made clear Scotland would have to apply just like any other country. He's also previously said Scotland would go to the back of the queue. Even the SNP are admitting Scotland would have to apply 3) Either way the myth Spain will veto Scotland has been put the rest and the union parties cant play that card now to scare people to stay in the Uk. - Not really, we still haven't heard from the Spanish PM. We also haven't heard from other countries where similar difficulties lie, i.e. Belgium As an aside here's an interesting article by ex SNP leader Jim Sillars setting out how ridiculous the SNP's position is re the EU http://yesthink.scot/open-letter-to-the-yes-movement/ One final thing, as I always take the time to try to address points made but you seem to ignore all the facts I post and jump on to something else. It would be nice if you took a stab at responding, for example this one that I posted earlier: ' So basically we're looking to exchange one Union (The UK) where we're running a deficit of over 9%, but it has no financial impact on us whatsoever as it is made up by the UK government, to another Union (The EU) who will force us to reduce spending by billions in every sector of society as well as increasing taxes. Hmm that makes sense . Do you never stop to wonder how we managed to lose a massive £8bn of oil money from our economy in a couple of years and yet never felt it financially? In fact our budget and expenditure has actually gone up despite this loss?' How do seperatists respond to that? | |||
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"Plus the other good thing about all this is with the UK being already in the EU Scotland does already meet the criteria to become a member state with a veto. " Show me links or quotes to back this up. It's blatantly false. Again I don't mean to be condescending but other than pro-indy sites have you ever done any research yourself to find out the facts? You've alread quoted someone who's made it clear Scotland would need to apply and I've already quoted some of the criteria required to join (it's very very easy to find) | |||
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" No we wouldnt be forced to use the euro we do not meet the criteria for that it. Sweden a Eu member has been since the 90's does not use the euro As for Scotland having to rejoin thats not 100% as Scotland also be allowed to replace the UK as member state and be fast tracked it Either way the myth Spain will veto Scotland has been put the rest and the union parties cant play that card now to scare people to stay in the Uk. Yes some pro indy supporters may have voted leave but some no voters have voted remain and are pissed off at being lied and would vote yes now. Everyone has the right to change their minds on indy And once Holyrood vote on if to have a new indy referendum and passes that will be the mandate for the section 30 ordered to be agreed and lets see if the Eu referendum has changed peoples minds as people do have the right to change their minds on something very important I'll respond to your points below: 1)No we wouldnt be forced to use the euro we do not meet the criteria for that it. Sweden a Eu member has been since the 90's does not use the euro - Yes we would, it is clearly laid down in the EU conditions for membership. I even showed the exact chapter that outlines this. You can read it for yourself on the EU site. The fact Sweden doesn't is irrelevant, Sweden isn't looking to join in 2018 under the current conditions, Scotland would be 2) As for Scotland having to rejoin thats not 100% as Scotland also be allowed to replace the UK as member state and be fast tracked it - This is wishful thinking with no basis in fact. If you're going to rave about a single Spanish minister saying they wouldn't block Scotland's application then why are you ignoring the fact he's made clear Scotland would have to apply just like any other country. He's also previously said Scotland would go to the back of the queue. Even the SNP are admitting Scotland would have to apply 3) Either way the myth Spain will veto Scotland has been put the rest and the union parties cant play that card now to scare people to stay in the Uk. - Not really, we still haven't heard from the Spanish PM. We also haven't heard from other countries where similar difficulties lie, i.e. Belgium As an aside here's an interesting article by ex SNP leader Jim Sillars setting out how ridiculous the SNP's position is re the EU http://yesthink.scot/open-letter-to-the-yes-movement/ One final thing, as I always take the time to try to address points made but you seem to ignore all the facts I post and jump on to something else. It would be nice if you took a stab at responding, for example this one that I posted earlier: ' So basically we're looking to exchange one Union (The UK) where we're running a deficit of over 9%, but it has no financial impact on us whatsoever as it is made up by the UK government, to another Union (The EU) who will force us to reduce spending by billions in every sector of society as well as increasing taxes. Hmm that makes sense . Do you never stop to wonder how we managed to lose a massive £8bn of oil money from our economy in a couple of years and yet never felt it financially? In fact our budget and expenditure has actually gone up despite this loss?' How do seperatists respond to that?" Right on your points 1. We will agree to disagree on the euro matter. 2. You dont know either about having to rejoin or not rejoin so thats mute the fact remains Esterban Pons did say very clearly that they wouldnt NOT look to veto an independent Scotland. 3. Esterban Pons is a MEP for the ruling party in Spain that is Mr Rajoy Party (PM) yeah they may have different opinions thats MAY but you would think they have talked about it. Also not true about not hearing from other countries Ireland have been clear they would welcome Scotland in the EU and Germany seem to be that way too France they have not really said to much. Yes we have heard from other EU countries and all seems good so far. This deficit you are on about sorry but that is under Westminster government mis-management as simple as that. Why would you stay will a government that is so keen to screw the poor to keep their rich gravy train pig lovers happy and that is a government yet to meet a target and killing the NHS and only adding to the debt and will keep adding to the debt that is crazy. Norway made £12 billion from oil revenues last year. UK made bugger all. Same size oil fields same oil same global price. Yet somehow the UK failed to collect a penny from the sale of our similar output. So where's the money? | |||
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" Right on your points 1. We will agree to disagree on the euro matter. 2. You dont know either about having to rejoin or not rejoin so thats mute the fact remains Esterban Pons did say very clearly that they wouldnt NOT look to veto an independent Scotland. 3. Esterban Pons is a MEP for the ruling party in Spain that is Mr Rajoy Party (PM) yeah they may have different opinions thats MAY but you would think they have talked about it. Also not true about not hearing from other countries Ireland have been clear they would welcome Scotland in the EU and Germany seem to be that way too France they have not really said to much. Yes we have heard from other EU countries and all seems good so far. This deficit you are on about sorry but that is under Westminster government mis-management as simple as that. Why would you stay will a government that is so keen to screw the poor to keep their rich gravy train pig lovers happy and that is a government yet to meet a target and killing the NHS and only adding to the debt and will keep adding to the debt that is crazy. Norway made £12 billion from oil revenues last year. UK made bugger all. Same size oil fields same oil same global price. Yet somehow the UK failed to collect a penny from the sale of our similar output. So where's the money? " 1) Agree to disagree on the Euro? I'm afraid that's a total cop out. I've pointed out the fact that the EU requires it and it's explicit on the EU website. If you disagree then you'll have to present some evidence to the contrary. 2) Re Esterban Pons, it was you who was raving about him saying they wouldn't veto Scotland's membership application. Why do you want to cherry pick those words and then ignore what else he actually said, i.e. Scotland would have to apply like any other country. Like the Euro point above you want to ignore anything that doesn't agree with your view and that means having to ignore inconvenient facts and truths. 3) Regarding the other EU countries. If you watch the Politics show etc you'll notice not a single SNP MP or MSP has been able to answer the question 'Which European leaders support Scotland remaining in the EU?' (Stewart Hosie was the latest when Andrew Neil put him on the spot. He couldn't name a single one. So again, I know your not into providing evidence but you'll have to back up your claim by showing which leaders have said this. 4) Re the deficit, the mismanagement of the Scottish economy is down to the SNP and no one else. Why is the UK running a deficit of around 4% and Scotland over 9%? Why are we starting to lag behind in many areas economically in comparison to the rest of the UK? The Scottish Parliament runs the Scottish economy. If Westminister was mis-managing things it would be the whole UK economy that was running at a huge deficit and performing poorly not just Scotland. 5) Norways oil and gas production aren't the same as the UK's as they have the largest gas and oil reserves in Europe. Out of the top ten biggest oil fields 8 are in Norwegian waters and only 2 are in UK waters. A quick google search will show you graphs comparing the output of both countries and Norway is, as expected, far higher. Serious question, do you ever look at anything other than pro indy sites or sources when you're fact checking, assuming you do any fact checking? | |||
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" Right on your points 1. We will agree to disagree on the euro matter. 2. You dont know either about having to rejoin or not rejoin so thats mute the fact remains Esterban Pons did say very clearly that they wouldnt NOT look to veto an independent Scotland. 3. Esterban Pons is a MEP for the ruling party in Spain that is Mr Rajoy Party (PM) yeah they may have different opinions thats MAY but you would think they have talked about it. Also not true about not hearing from other countries Ireland have been clear they would welcome Scotland in the EU and Germany seem to be that way too France they have not really said to much. Yes we have heard from other EU countries and all seems good so far. This deficit you are on about sorry but that is under Westminster government mis-management as simple as that. Why would you stay will a government that is so keen to screw the poor to keep their rich gravy train pig lovers happy and that is a government yet to meet a target and killing the NHS and only adding to the debt and will keep adding to the debt that is crazy. Norway made £12 billion from oil revenues last year. UK made bugger all. Same size oil fields same oil same global price. Yet somehow the UK failed to collect a penny from the sale of our similar output. So where's the money? 1) Agree to disagree on the Euro? I'm afraid that's a total cop out. I've pointed out the fact that the EU requires it and it's explicit on the EU website. If you disagree then you'll have to present some evidence to the contrary. 2) Re Esterban Pons, it was you who was raving about him saying they wouldn't veto Scotland's membership application. Why do you want to cherry pick those words and then ignore what else he actually said, i.e. Scotland would have to apply like any other country. Like the Euro point above you want to ignore anything that doesn't agree with your view and that means having to ignore inconvenient facts and truths. 3) Regarding the other EU countries. If you watch the Politics show etc you'll notice not a single SNP MP or MSP has been able to answer the question 'Which European leaders support Scotland remaining in the EU?' (Stewart Hosie was the latest when Andrew Neil put him on the spot. He couldn't name a single one. So again, I know your not into providing evidence but you'll have to back up your claim by showing which leaders have said this. 4) Re the deficit, the mismanagement of the Scottish economy is down to the SNP and no one else. Why is the UK running a deficit of around 4% and Scotland over 9%? Why are we starting to lag behind in many areas economically in comparison to the rest of the UK? The Scottish Parliament runs the Scottish economy. If Westminister was mis-managing things it would be the whole UK economy that was running at a huge deficit and performing poorly not just Scotland. 5) Norways oil and gas production aren't the same as the UK's as they have the largest gas and oil reserves in Europe. Out of the top ten biggest oil fields 8 are in Norwegian waters and only 2 are in UK waters. A quick google search will show you graphs comparing the output of both countries and Norway is, as expected, far higher. Serious question, do you ever look at anything other than pro indy sites or sources when you're fact checking, assuming you do any fact checking?" 1. Cop out ? No no that is agreeing to disagree and not arguing with people on here its a swinging site we have different opinions on it simple as that. I love hearing people's different takes on things and debating on them but we are all here for fun and good times not to hate or abuse people and i know you havent done that but hear i have seen it on this post about independence from both sides and that shit is not welcome we are all adults and have different views but sometimes it good to debate and have fun with it. 2.Yes its on record of Esterban Pons saying they would not look to veto Scotland and also there is no 100% guarantee Scotland would have to apply again who knows the EU decide and they could easily say we will fast track Scotland replacing the UK as member state. 3. I dont have to do anything that is upto the person to go and research what i say then its upto that person to decide am not here to tell people who to think or what to believe am on here on this post to debate in a friendly way. 4 Aagin agree to disagree 5. Norway a country of 4 million Scotland 5 million and as said David Cameron fucked on the Marr show when Marr said Norway are doing pretty well and Cameron replied with they (Norway) have as much oil as we do and onyl 4 million people so what makes people think an independent Scotland with 5 million people can not do the same as an independent Scotland will have all the oil in Scottish waters and take back what Blair gave away and it will be Scotland oil not the UK. Yes i do what makes you think i dont ? most people that believe in the union seem to want to make fun of WOS but they find it hard to debunk the guy me personal i dont really like Rev Stu as he can be over the top on things but some things he can have banter about and like i said the union side seem to have problems debunking his claims Hell did you not see Mcternan had to pay out a bet he made with Rev Stu that was funny as hell lmao | |||
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" Yes i do what makes you think i dont ? most people that believe in the union seem to want to make fun of WOS but they find it hard to debunk the guy me personal i dont really like Rev Stu as he can be over the top on things but some things he can have banter about and like i said the union side seem to have problems debunking his claims Hell did you not see Mcternan had to pay out a bet he made with Rev Stu that was funny as hell lmao " The rugby's on so don't have time to respond other than to say the chancer from Bath has been shown to be wrong on various things (including some outright lies in his little blue book). He's homophobic, sexist and has horrible opinions on 9/11 and the Hillsborough disaster. He's even been caught lying about why he uses the fake reverend tile. He's so insecure that he has a massive block list he encourages people to use on twitter to block anyone who disagrees with him. Pat Kane was recently caught out with this and had to delete it after realising it blocked many people he knew in the indy movement. Must be a nice little earner sitting in his Bath townhouse. Iirc that even Salmond referred to people on that site as cranks. | |||
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" Yes i do what makes you think i dont ? most people that believe in the union seem to want to make fun of WOS but they find it hard to debunk the guy me personal i dont really like Rev Stu as he can be over the top on things but some things he can have banter about and like i said the union side seem to have problems debunking his claims Hell did you not see Mcternan had to pay out a bet he made with Rev Stu that was funny as hell lmao The rugby's on so don't have time to respond other than to say the chancer from Bath has been shown to be wrong on various things (including some outright lies in his little blue book). He's homophobic, sexist and has horrible opinions on 9/11 and the Hillsborough disaster. He's even been caught lying about why he uses the fake reverend tile. He's so insecure that he has a massive block list he encourages people to use on twitter to block anyone who disagrees with him. Pat Kane was recently caught out with this and had to delete it after realising it blocked many people he knew in the indy movement. Must be a nice little earner sitting in his Bath townhouse. Iirc that even Salmond referred to people on that site as cranks." Ever heard of Jill Stephenson ? Look that nasty lady up she is a keen speaker for Scotland in the union and when talking about English people that believe in independence for Scotland she said '' those fuckers from down south'' Now i thought the pro union side with claiming we are Better Together but here is a pro union speaker on social media that does not like English people that believe in independence. Same with Michelle Mone and JK Rowley and Brian Spanner and Claire ( Sister Outrider) all unionists yet show some amount of cyber abuse at pro indy supporters that shit is not welcome neither is it from the yes side. How many of them i mentioned above have claimed abuse at them from nationalists and said it drove them to deleting twitter for them to jump right back on a few weeks later seems to me they dont know how to hit the block button and want the wee attention they crave. | |||
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"Right i dont get all this SNP bashing ok fair enough you may disagree with the SNP and may think they are failing at things thats all fair enough my opinion after 10 years of being in government and 10 years of people voting for them and electing them seems like they have the trust of the people. Now do people get if Scotland did become independent then you can use your vote and to get SNP out of government and another party which is registered as a party in Scotland. Right for example i see people think SNP are fucking up the economy thats your opinion but you do know in an independent Scotland you can vote for someone else to be the government in Scotland and they may do better. There is smaller countries than Scotland that are independent do just fine on their own and they dont have half the shit that Scotland does in revenue our food and drink , Whisky , oil is to name a few " I think you're completely missing the point. If we vote for independence we lose billions out of our economy, it's impossible for any party voted in post indy to do anything other than make massive cuts. Btw, what 'shit' does Scotland have with its food and drink, oil and whisky exactly? | |||
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"Right i dont get all this SNP bashing ok fair enough you may disagree with the SNP and may think they are failing at things thats all fair enough my opinion after 10 years of being in government and 10 years of people voting for them and electing them seems like they have the trust of the people. Now do people get if Scotland did become independent then you can use your vote and to get SNP out of government and another party which is registered as a party in Scotland. Right for example i see people think SNP are fucking up the economy thats your opinion but you do know in an independent Scotland you can vote for someone else to be the government in Scotland and they may do better. There is smaller countries than Scotland that are independent do just fine on their own and they dont have half the shit that Scotland does in revenue our food and drink , Whisky , oil is to name a few I think you're completely missing the point. If we vote for independence we lose billions out of our economy, it's impossible for any party voted in post indy to do anything other than make massive cuts. Btw, what 'shit' does Scotland have with its food and drink, oil and whisky exactly?" And staying in a union with the UK government missing targets and fucking up the economy and NHS and adding the the debt is the answer ? An independent Scotland does not need to take any share of the UK debt thats all under Westminster government fucking up. Ah right i get the oil and whisky part as oil is shared in the UK remember 2014 David Cameron said an oil boom for the UK not happened. Whisky made in Scotland and goes down south to leave English ports and gets exported as a UK product how much does Scotland see of that money ? As its shared out. What is so wrong about any money raised in Scotland stays in Scotland ? The very same for in England any money raised in England stay in England. Scotland does not need any board shoulders we can be like any other independent country its sad believe cant see that. How many things get made in England and exported up here to Scotland ? We are being shafted by Westminster and we all know it. | |||
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"You do need to read up on export regulations.....Not wings over Scotland that piece about whisky is all wrong.. i know i used to be an export manager for a major distillery.....As for us all knowing we are being shafted ?...we get more spent on us through public services than England or Wales......so factually wrong again....Believe what you like but dont be conned by the SNP liars "I didnt say anything about WOS and pro union supporters seem to think everyone that is pro indy is SNP Breaking news SNP is not independence and independence is not SNP. Ah right what people are saying is Westminster then shafts England and Wales not very Better Together and equal nations in the UK is it. | |||
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"Honey the SNP are the leaders of this group who believe that to be independent and to use your own words again..Keep the money raised in Scotland...So you vote to be poorer....to lower our GDP to struggle for many generations to implement the many new agencies that we currently have but operate under UK laws and standards " No they are not its the people the yes movement there is a cross party agreed position on indy. No we dont are you saying we dont send money to Westminster for them to hand some back in a set budget ? | |||
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"Our money is raised through UK taxation laws... gathered in tax offices and then using a formula(Barnett) Scotland gets more than our share per head that we are entitled to..due to the geography of our land many services are very expensive to run...So then we keep what is "ours" ...then what ? tell the people of Rhum Eigg etc to get out we cannot support you staying so far from the central belt...Oh and your "People" angle on the yes movement is like Bill n Ben saying we are in charge or our movements......Do you accept you lost less than 3 years ago...but will not accept the democratic vote...it makes you wonder where thinking like that will take an independent Scotland "Yes i do accept it was a no vote in 2014 but do you accept that SNP have been elected on their 2015 and 2016 manifesto's ? That is democratic is it not ? Also lets remind our selfs of what the NO camp said in 2014 that if you vote no Scotland place in the EU will be safe in the UK now its not safe in the UK that is a broken promise why do people feel that it is ok to break that promise ? | |||
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""Once in a generation"............" If we are gonna have a friendly debate and you want me to answer your question can we be fair and you answer mine So do you accept that the SNP were elected on their 2015 and 2016 manifesto and that was democratic as the will of the people in Scotland elected the SNP ? | |||
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"You do need to read up on export regulations.....Not wings over Scotland that piece about whisky is all wrong.. i know i used to be an export manager for a major distillery.....As for us all knowing we are being shafted ?...we get more spent on us through public services than England or Wales......so factually wrong again....Believe what you like but dont be conned by the SNP liars " | |||
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" Whisky made in Scotland and goes down south to leave English ports and gets exported as a UK product how much does Scotland see of that money ? As its shared out. What is so wrong about any money raised in Scotland stays in Scotland ? The very same for in England any money raised in England stay in England. Scotland does not need any board shoulders we can be like any other independent country its sad believe cant see that. How many things get made in England and exported up here to Scotland ? We are being shafted by Westminster and we all know it. " Lol, you're absolutely clueless about finances. You need to step away from the Wings site and educate yourself. There is no Whisky export duty, as per the Scottish government. http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/queries/008 Would it be cheeky of us to ask if you aren't in paid employment? | |||
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" Whisky made in Scotland and goes down south to leave English ports and gets exported as a UK product how much does Scotland see of that money ? As its shared out. What is so wrong about any money raised in Scotland stays in Scotland ? The very same for in England any money raised in England stay in England. Scotland does not need any board shoulders we can be like any other independent country its sad believe cant see that. How many things get made in England and exported up here to Scotland ? We are being shafted by Westminster and we all know it. Lol, you're absolutely clueless about finances. You need to step away from the Wings site and educate yourself. There is no Whisky export duty, as per the Scottish government. http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/queries/008 Would it be cheeky of us to ask if you aren't in paid employment?" Why is it when someone from the pro indy support debates with pro union supporters that you always think we get our information from WOS ? I will say again i dont like Rev Stu from Wings i dont really go wings i will also say pro union supporters seem to have a problem debunking him again i dont like him but its true. | |||
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" Whisky made in Scotland and goes down south to leave English ports and gets exported as a UK product how much does Scotland see of that money ? As its shared out. What is so wrong about any money raised in Scotland stays in Scotland ? The very same for in England any money raised in England stay in England. Scotland does not need any board shoulders we can be like any other independent country its sad believe cant see that. How many things get made in England and exported up here to Scotland ? We are being shafted by Westminster and we all know it. Lol, you're absolutely clueless about finances. You need to step away from the Wings site and educate yourself. There is no Whisky export duty, as per the Scottish government. http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/queries/008 Would it be cheeky of us to ask if you aren't in paid employment? Why is it when someone from the pro indy support debates with pro union supporters that you always think we get our information from WOS ? I will say again i dont like Rev Stu from Wings i dont really go wings i will also say pro union supporters seem to have a problem debunking him again i dont like him but its true. " So about this whisky nonsense, what are you claiming about it? This proves you are a Wings follower if you post some whisy nonsense that is easy to prove wrong. | |||
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"Our money is raised through UK taxation laws... gathered in tax offices and then using a formula(Barnett) Scotland gets more than our share per head that we are entitled to..due to the geography of our land many services are very expensive to run...So then we keep what is "ours" ...then what ? tell the people of Rhum Eigg etc to get out we cannot support you staying so far from the central belt...Oh and your "People" angle on the yes movement is like Bill n Ben saying we are in charge or our movements......Do you accept you lost less than 3 years ago...but will not accept the democratic vote...it makes you wonder where thinking like that will take an independent Scotland "Spot on, but logic sadly won't persuade people on here.... | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
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I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
Luckily you are in the majority and most Scottish people are canny enough to realise the if Scotland became independent the economy would collapse .
Despite all the noise from SNP , it is difficult to see how Scotland could ever become independent , there is simply not enough support for it .
New poll today is 50% /50%
Scotland must be the only country in the world that everyone thinks cant be independent but everyone can be independent.
There is smaller countries than Scotland for example Norway 4 million people.
Lets not forget David Cameron's fuck up on the Marr show
Marr said Norway doing pretty well just now and Cameron replied with this '' They ( Norway) have as much oil as we ( UK ) do and only 4 million people rather than 60 million
Scotland has 5 million and people really think we cant go it on our own lol
The Tories sure do like fucking up big time
It's not the case people don't think we can go it on our own. It's just that it's very clear that we'll take a massive financial hit if we do. We made the right decision the last time thankfully and dodged a bullet.
Financial hit ? I get why people can be afraid to have a leap of faith but as i said money is not devolved to Scotland so that means its the mis-management under Westminster governments that have caused the problems the Scottish government can only work with what it has infront of it.
What would swing it for people in Scotland to become a yes voter ? Surely you dont want yet another Tory government that Scotland never votes for yet we have to suffer Tory cuts it makes no sence.
Scotland has much more than oil and even that is only a bonus. I even heard on social media people saying an independent Scotland would stop trading with England how crazy is that we are not out to punish England we want England as neigbours and trading partners we just are fed up with Westminsters governments that we dont vote deciding whats best for the Scottish people.
I for one feel sick that the Tories are gonna take money off of unfit people on ESA there is the prove they dont give a shit about people its all about keeping their pals and bankers rich while we all suffer their cuts.
Scotland can be alot better than that and like i said i wouldnt mind the North of England come and joining us or even London being independent but Westminster rule needs to end here in Scotland and i only hope England can wake up and see the Tories and UKIP do not care and lets hope Labour come back to being the working man's party. "Thank you. You have put it so well there isn't anything else to add. Thanks again. | |||
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"The Destiny of Scotland is purely in the hands of The Scottish People, they will decide " After how many goes? Until we get it right? How very European - you will vote until you get it right. The nationalists set the question, date, the electorate and the length of campaign. Yet still the lost. Had "yes" gained 50%+1 vote was the "settled will" of the Scottish people according to the then 1st minister. 50% + ~200k votes, isn't. What warped logic. Since 2014, we've been subject to #projectgreivence on almost a daily basis from the Scottish Government. While neglecting the day job and sucking on the teat of public funding. Let's take Nicolas "ripped out the EU against our will" to a conclusion. If say Glasgow, Dundee and Paisley vote to leave the UK and the rest of Scotland doesn't, but the votes in these 3 areas mean that we've voted yes. Doesn't that mean the areas that voted No have every right to call a referendum to cede from Scotland, having been "ripped out the UK" against their will.... | |||
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""While neglecting the day job" Tiresome repetition of the tory chub reporter's silly mantra. As if it's impossible to have more than one objective. Maybe not all women are capable of multi-tasking? But fear not, the UK's most competent female politician, NS, is not among those ranks." Please, answer the question, how often do we have to vote until we get it right, what level of pain do you think it's appropriate to inflict on the Scottish people in pursuing the "dream"? And there will be pain, it will fall on those with the narrowest backs. You may believe she's competent, I believe otherwise. No doubt I'll be branded a traitor, quisling , non true scot, brit Natal all the tedious name calling that's gone on before. Accused of "doing Scotland down" by daring to ask difficult questions. If we don't ask the difficult questions then we walk blindly into an uncertain future. Hope is all well and good, but like flags and dreams, your can't feed your family on them. | |||
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""While neglecting the day job" Tiresome repetition of the tory chub reporter's silly mantra. As if it's impossible to have more than one objective. Maybe not all women are capable of multi-tasking? But fear not, the UK's most competent female politician, NS, is not among those ranks." Funnily enough ex SNP cabinet minister Kenny MacAskill has accused Sturgeon of this very thing. He's basically saying there's lots of talk and rhetoric but very little action. | |||
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"Would love this but not anti English mate as both my parents are from Manchester " I'm not anti Scottish but I just believe we are seperate Countrys
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"Ok this is a question to all people that is pro union as i would love to hear your opinion on this question. Do you accept that the SNP were elected on their 2015 and 2016 manifesto's ? " Yes they were and they were also elected on their 2007 manifesto that promised: A fairer more equitable system to replace the council tax Class sizes of 18 or fewer in P1 Why should the independence issue be any more important than the pennies in our pocket, support for our local services and the education of our children? It wasn't the red, yellow or blue Tories that cut teacher training places by 40% in 2010. Those wanting to teach in primary school by 50%. Remember that pledge of "class sizes of 18 or fewer" Yet still you trust them, in my eyes they are just as bad as the rest, only wrapped in a Scottish saltire spouting mealy mouthed buzz word bingo. | |||
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"Ok this is a question to all people that is pro union as i would love to hear your opinion on this question. Do you accept that the SNP were elected on their 2015 and 2016 manifesto's ? Yes they were and they were also elected on their 2007 manifesto that promised: A fairer more equitable system to replace the council tax Class sizes of 18 or fewer in P1 Why should the independence issue be any more important than the pennies in our pocket, support for our local services and the education of our children? It wasn't the red, yellow or blue Tories that cut teacher training places by 40% in 2010. Those wanting to teach in primary school by 50%. Remember that pledge of "class sizes of 18 or fewer" Yet still you trust them, in my eyes they are just as bad as the rest, only wrapped in a Scottish saltire spouting mealy mouthed buzz word bingo. " Yes ? So you accept they were elected on their manifestos and have a mandate to deliver on their polices ? Also i see you bring up the 2007 SNP manifesto pledge to scrap the council tax i dont know if people are aware of this yes the SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their 2007 manifesto and the SNP were elected to be a minority government and when the vote did take place on the council tax in 2008 Labour and the Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and that is why the SNP couldnt deliver on that proomise to scrap the council tax its all on record. | |||
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"Yet they were elected with a majority the following parliament and still did the square root of zero about it. Well not zero but tending to zero. They set up that good old "commission", which they went 'thank you very much' & promptly filed under F for Forget. If you ever want to kick something into the long grass, a nice "commission on" or "committee of enquiry" are a great way to go. " So now we can agree that because of Labour and the Tories voting against the council tax the SNP couldnt scrap it ? Now to address the SNP 2011 manifesto where they did NOT put scrapping the council tax in their manifesto theysaid they would freeze the council tax which they did with their majority so that promise was kept and they delivered on it. | |||
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""Over the period of the next Parliament we will consult with others to produce a fairer system based on ability to pay to replace the Council Tax and we will put this to the people at the next election" 2011 Manifesto. 2015 manifesto: "We are committed to maintaining the Council Tax freeze, as set out in our 2011 election manifesto, and will work with others to review options for future replacement for the unfair council tax system." Oops... Nothing about replacing the tax and a commitment to continue the council tax freeze. Oh, just to be clear - I don't trust any political party. For all the commitments to "the people" it has always been and shall always be "the party first, the party last, the party always". " Do you agree with me that because of Labour and the Tories voting against the scrapping the council tax the SNP couldnt deliver on their 2007 manifesto promise ? | |||
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"Because it was a crock of $hit, 3p on tax. Funds drawn under central government control to be disbursed from the centre. Localism Snp style. A minority government, which is the way the Scottish Parliament was designed to operate, requires consensus to be formed between parties. If the Snp couldn't make a consensus in he chamber then it fails. Can you remind me who gave the Snp support in a confidence and supply agreement over the course of that parliament? Or has that been rewritten out of history? " Thank you for agreeing with me now that puts this idea that SNP failed to keep their promise of scrapping the council tax to bed. To answer your question that would be the Scottish Greens signed an agreement where the Greens supported SNP ministerial appointments but did not offer support for any confidence or budget votes ''confidence and supply'' | |||
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"Just let all four Country's have a vote to stay in the union or go it alone ? Problem Sorted " | |||
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"Nope, try again, they wear blue. "When his political fate depended on us, he didn't think twice before seeking and taking our support. It is quite extraordinary that he's now doing a complete volte-face and now proclaims that the Tories are the worst things on the earth. "To hear him now dismissing the Tories as the pariah of politics, as the name that dare not be spoken, is to me just utterly incredible and utterly hypocritical."" Annbell Goldie on Alex Salmond and the first snp term " Are you saying the Scottish Greens did not sign an agreement where the Greens supported SNP on a confidence and supply ? Yes the Tories did also ask yourself why Scottish Labour never did ? There are too wrapped up on hating everything about the SNP ever heard of the Bain Principle ? Now now coalition happened in 2007 the SNP formed a one-party minority government. | |||
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"Because it was a crock of $hit, 3p on tax. Funds drawn under central government control to be disbursed from the centre. Localism Snp style. A minority government, which is the way the Scottish Parliament was designed to operate, requires consensus to be formed between parties. If the Snp couldn't make a consensus in he chamber then it fails. Can you remind me who gave the Snp support in a confidence and supply agreement over the course of that parliament? Or has that been rewritten out of history? " after reading your comments it is obvious you have such hatred for the SNP so what is your solution, which party in your mind can do a better job? if you aint part of the solution you are part of the problem | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon giving the UK government one last chance to respect Scotland's wish to remain in the EU and single market if not then she will look next to trigger a 30 section order
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"Nicola Sturgeon giving the UK government one last chance to respect Scotland's wish to remain in the EU and single market if not then she will look next to trigger a 30 section order
Some bullshitter eh We all knew she was not bluffing
So what is she waiting for?"They could organise one for 3-6 months time or even earlier | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon giving the UK government one last chance to respect Scotland's wish to remain in the EU and single market if not then she will look next to trigger a 30 section order
Some bullshitter eh We all knew she was not bluffing
So what is she waiting for?"Listen to her Nicola is still hoping the UK government respect's Scotland wish to staying in the EU and single market withing the UK if not then the Scottish government do have a mandate on their manifesto promise and will go next week to seek agreement on a section 30 order blocking it it would be madness | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon giving the UK government one last chance to respect Scotland's wish to remain in the EU and single market if not then she will look next to trigger a 30 section order
Some bullshitter eh We all knew she was not bluffing
So what is she waiting for?
They could organise one for 3-6 months time or even earlier "Unlike those who appear quite happy to let the UK Government negotiate brexit without any possibility of knowing what the terms are, NS wants to see what and how the arrangements impact on the people of Scotland. Once the terms of brexit are known, a decision on the Indyref will be made. It's not a foregone decision yet. | |||
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
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I'm a wee bit bewildered,
what makes you think,anythings changed???
Luckily you are in the majority and most Scottish people are canny enough to realise the if Scotland became independent the economy would collapse .
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
I'm Scottish also and live in england but that makes no difference. Scotland and england need each other... If Scotland breaks from england can you see any of the UK being able to survive... I say let's have a vote on government never mind independence as the government are shit... P.s labour sort corbyn out or you will get no where
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
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"Continue here, the discussions was good, whats your view? I hope they get it as they want it so much
Who wants it so much??
I'm Scottish,I live in Scotland,and I don't want it.
In fact,I'm pretty sure we had an independence referendum,
Quite recently,
I'm Scottish also and live in england but that makes no difference. Scotland and england need each other... If Scotland breaks from england can you see any of the UK being able to survive... I say let's have a vote on government never mind independence as the government are shit... P.s labour sort corbyn out or you will get no where
and the majority of Scots didn't want it.
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"Because it was a crock of $hit, 3p on tax. Funds drawn under central government control to be disbursed from the centre. Localism Snp style. A minority government, which is the way the Scottish Parliament was designed to operate, requires consensus to be formed between parties. If the Snp couldn't make a consensus in he chamber then it fails. Can you remind me who gave the Snp support in a confidence and supply agreement over the course of that parliament? Or has that been rewritten out of history? after reading your comments it is obvious you have such hatred for the SNP so what is your solution, which party in your mind can do a better job? if you aint part of the solution you are part of the problem" Ah, there we go. Just because I want to hold the government of the day to account. I hate them. I'm part of the problem? Jesus, take a long hard look at yourself before you go down that road. Do you want to silence dissent and those critical to the government? Sounds like it. During the Labour years, I was just as vocal a critic. One party rule is never a good thing. I also criticised the various uk governments over their handling of many things. From Iraq to the Olympics, HS2 and the denigration of the sick and disabled. So do I hate the snp, no. But I do have the right to be critical of them. Or is that not allowed in Scotland these days? #Proudtobeaproblem | |||
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"Im sorry but i have to laugh at certain comments on how scotland get this and that and cost englandshire money ...if scotland really was a drain on the uk ...why the f... did westminster fight soo hard to keep scotland in the uk ???? Just asking "exactly bunky. Scotland never has been a drain on the rest of the uk. We pay in our fair share. Hopefully not for much longer. Westminster no more . May will be the last ever prime minister of the uk. Saor alba | |||
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"Im sorry but i have to laugh at certain comments on how scotland get this and that and cost englandshire money ...if scotland really was a drain on the uk ...why the f... did westminster fight soo hard to keep scotland in the uk ???? Just asking
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"Im sorry but i have to laugh at certain comments on how scotland get this and that and cost englandshire money ...if scotland really was a drain on the uk ...why the f... did westminster fight soo hard to keep scotland in the uk ???? Just asking "Because we have enough immigration as it is | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon giving the UK government one last chance to respect Scotland's wish to remain in the EU and single market if not then she will look next to trigger a 30 section order
Some bullshitter eh We all knew she was not bluffing
So what is she waiting for?
Listen to her Nicola is still hoping the UK government respect's Scotland wish to staying in the EU and single market withing the UK if not then the Scottish government do have a mandate on their manifesto promise and will go next week to seek agreement on a section 30 order blocking it it would be madness"Don't think may has the balls to block an Indy ref. Nicola has a massive mandate from the people and from her manifesto. | |||
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you can do it
Freedom is round the corner !
Bye
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"Im sorry but i have to laugh at certain comments on how scotland get this and that and cost englandshire money ...if scotland really was a drain on the uk ...why the f... did westminster fight soo hard to keep scotland in the uk ???? Just asking
exactly bunky. Scotland never has been a drain on the rest of the uk. We pay in our fair share. Hopefully not for much longer. Westminster no more . May will be the last ever prime minister of the uk. Saor alba oh I do hope so "Fingers crossed mr suit | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon giving the UK government one last chance to respect Scotland's wish to remain in the EU and single market if not then she will look next to trigger a 30 section order
Some bullshitter eh We all knew she was not bluffing "Nicola in my opinion is far stronger than salmond.she will ensure the white paper will be water tight and all Scots will make an informed decision to gain independence. Our own currency is a must. | |||
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"Im sorry but i have to laugh at certain comments on how scotland get this and that and cost englandshire money ...if scotland really was a drain on the uk ...why the f... did westminster fight soo hard to keep scotland in the uk ???? Just asking
exactly bunky. Scotland never has been a drain on the rest of the uk. We pay in our fair share. Hopefully not for much longer. Westminster no more . May will be the last ever prime minister of the uk. Saor alba oh I do hope so
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"Money IS devolved to Scotland. They get a huge subsidy from Westminster. They are able to choose how and why and on what it is spent....education, health, social care etc. are under the Scottish parliament control....and a right pigs ear they have made of their finances. Luckily most Scots realise this....hence the majority to stay in the union last time. Wee Kranky is bluffing with her new referendum talk...she knows she would lose again!" A perfect summary of the scenario. Most Scottish people are very caney and are not going to vote for a scenario that would financially damage them . | |||
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"I hope Scotland do get independence. Would allow a decent tax cut in England! yep
Why not let the English Vote ?
I'm sure we would happily say bye bye Scotland "This isn't an English thing man. This is a UK matter, England Scotland N Ireland and Wales. . . This is to decide if one part leaves the other 3. . . . Of course England doesn't want the union to break. But England is only a part of the UK. | |||
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"Come on Scotland you can do it
Freedom is round the corner !
Bye
England can be free at last "This is the simple minded mentality that has divided the UK, simple minded comments like this make it so difficult for countries to work together as ally sad to say we have so many simple minded people | |||
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"Come on Scotland you can do it
Freedom is round the corner !
Bye
England can be free at last
This is the simple minded mentality that has divided the UK, simple minded comments like this make it so difficult for countries to work together as ally
sad to say we have so many simple minded people"Simple solutions are usually the best.The UK should be carved up. I would go further and divide England up. | |||
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"I hope Scotland do get independence. Would allow a decent tax cut in England! yep
Why not let the English Vote ?
I'm sure we would happily say bye bye Scotland
This isn't an English thing man. This is a UK matter, England Scotland N Ireland and Wales. . . This is to decide if one part leaves the other 3. . . . Of course England doesn't want the union to break. But England is only a part of the UK. "Don't be do sure of that ? I think plenty of Proplr in England have had enough of always been painted as the bad guys ! If there was a referendum for England to leave the U K ? Don't be surprised if we voted to ! | |||
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"On a well known radio phone in yesterday, most Scottish callers were more concerned that Nicola Sturgeon got on with the day job, instead of chasing her childhood dream of independence. Most said that independence isn't as important to them as sorting their poor economy, health service and education, all things that NS promised to improve." Actually, things are pretty dam good up here in Scotland, not too much needs a sorting out, perhaps pot holes in roads but things are on a whole very good. | |||
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"On a well known radio phone in yesterday, most Scottish callers were more concerned that Nicola Sturgeon got on with the day job, instead of chasing her childhood dream of independence. Most said that independence isn't as important to them as sorting their poor economy, health service and education, all things that NS promised to improve. Actually, things are pretty dam good up here in Scotland, not too much needs a sorting out, perhaps pot holes in roads but things are on a whole very good." ....Tell that to your fishermen. | |||
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"On a well known radio phone in yesterday, most Scottish callers were more concerned that Nicola Sturgeon got on with the day job, instead of chasing her childhood dream of independence. Most said that independence isn't as important to them as sorting their poor economy, health service and education, all things that NS promised to improve. Actually, things are pretty dam good up here in Scotland, not too much needs a sorting out, perhaps pot holes in roads but things are on a whole very good." Tell that to the parents whose baby was given 8 weeks to live.......9 weeks ago. The life-saving operation has been cancelled THREE times.  | |||
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"On a well known radio phone in yesterday, most Scottish callers were more concerned that Nicola Sturgeon got on with the day job, instead of chasing her childhood dream of independence. Most said that independence isn't as important to them as sorting their poor economy, health service and education, all things that NS promised to improve. Actually, things are pretty dam good up here in Scotland, not too much needs a sorting out, perhaps pot holes in roads but things are on a whole very good. Tell that to the parents whose baby was given 8 weeks to live.......9 weeks ago. The life-saving operation has been cancelled THREE times. "you can find examples of this throughout the UK on individual cases, on a whole the NHS in Scotland is very good you should visit the NHS yourself see if they could cure your illness:- Stockholm syndrome | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol" will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU "And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum? | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?"you are aware the pound will be truly fucked in England too when Scotland separates from the UK how many countries will invest in the englush pound | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
you are aware the pound will be truly fucked in England too when Scotland separates from the UK
how many countries will invest in the englush pound "..really.. Please explain. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
you are aware the pound will be truly fucked in England too when Scotland separates from the UK
how many countries will invest in the englush pound ..really.. Please explain. "awww come on not not at school, try thinking out of the box | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?"You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you? Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants? | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?"They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England. You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally. And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap."That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament. Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money. "OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK. Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions."According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'. I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions."I guess in your typical English arrogance you also consider Irish banknotes Mickey Mouse money? | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
I guess in your typical English arrogance you also consider Irish banknotes Mickey Mouse money?"And why would I do that? The euro is a respected currency, used throughout Europe | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off.". I just googled this and im afraid i got the same answer, legal currency yes. Legal tender no. The definition of legal tender is that it must be backed up by a central Bank, the bank of England allows the printing of Scottish and Irish notes by consent but that doesnt make them legal tender, the strange thing is when you read about it is anything can be used as currency sheep, wool, fine art, food but legal tender has a promise to the bearer and issued by the central bank only. Scotland it would seem has no legal right to use sterling, however im sure even after departing the union some agreement could be reached about allowing them to continue using it providing they meet parameters | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off."CORRECT, as are Northern Irish pounds. Nothing to say that Scotland can't have a Scottish pound, but they would have to replace their current currency with something new, underwritten by a central Scottish bank, not the bank if England. | |||
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"If they want it, let them have it, but if they want true independence then that includes having their own currency, own health services, own social, etc, etc, all devolved from any UK support. Also they should require passports to cross into the remaining UK countries, with border controls. " So who's arguing against that? I'd be perfectly happy to have a hard border between Scotland and England to help keep you and all those with similar views south of the border. In reality, however, if and when Scotland becomes independent, it will probably be a more relaxed arrangement similar to that which will have to exist between NI and RoI. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU .
This got me interested so i had a quick Google, in fact there's only 3 other currencies i can find that are valued higher than sterling.
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money. ". This got me interested so i had a quick Google, in fact there's only 3 other currencies i can find that are valued higher than sterling. Kuwait and Bahrain dinar. Oman rial. Latvian lats | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off..
I just googled this and im afraid i got the same answer, legal currency yes. Legal tender no.
The definition of legal tender is that it must be backed up by a central Bank, the bank of England allows the printing of Scottish and Irish notes by consent but that doesnt make them legal tender, the strange thing is when you read about it is anything can be used as currency sheep, wool, fine art, food but legal tender has a promise to the bearer and issued by the central bank only.
Scotland it would seem has no legal right to use sterling, however im sure even after departing the union some agreement could be reached about allowing them to continue using it providing they meet parameters"I will admit I used the word 'tender' when I should have used the word 'currency'. However, it should be noted that Bank of England notes are not 'legal tender' in Scotland. My original argument was that Scotland could still use Pounds if it wanted and did stress that it probably wouldn't be linked to the Bank of England. It was put forward to argue against another post that said Scotland wouldn't be able to use the Pound. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off..
I just googled this and im afraid i got the same answer, legal currency yes. Legal tender no.
The definition of legal tender is that it must be backed up by a central Bank, the bank of England allows the printing of Scottish and Irish notes by consent but that doesnt make them legal tender, the strange thing is when you read about it is anything can be used as currency sheep, wool, fine art, food but legal tender has a promise to the bearer and issued by the central bank only.
Scotland it would seem has no legal right to use sterling, however im sure even after departing the union some agreement could be reached about allowing them to continue using it providing they meet parameters
I will admit I used the word 'tender' when I should have used the word 'currency'. However, it should be noted that Bank of England notes are not 'legal tender' in Scotland.
My original argument was that Scotland could still use Pounds if it wanted and did stress that it probably wouldn't be linked to the Bank of England.
It was put forward to argue against another post that said Scotland wouldn't be able to use the Pound."Yes but as an independent country, you still need to have an independent bank and banking system. Something that just doesn't happen overnight. | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off..
I just googled this and im afraid i got the same answer, legal currency yes. Legal tender no.
The definition of legal tender is that it must be backed up by a central Bank, the bank of England allows the printing of Scottish and Irish notes by consent but that doesnt make them legal tender, the strange thing is when you read about it is anything can be used as currency sheep, wool, fine art, food but legal tender has a promise to the bearer and issued by the central bank only.
Scotland it would seem has no legal right to use sterling, however im sure even after departing the union some agreement could be reached about allowing them to continue using it providing they meet parameters
I will admit I used the word 'tender' when I should have used the word 'currency'. However, it should be noted that Bank of England notes are not 'legal tender' in Scotland.
My original argument was that Scotland could still use Pounds if it wanted and did stress that it probably wouldn't be linked to the Bank of England.
It was put forward to argue against another post that said Scotland wouldn't be able to use the Pound.". I couldnt see why they couldnt continue using sterling except for that it would remain under the control of the UK and not Scotland, from what i could see on Google if you joined the euro you would still need a central Bank but the issue of your currency would be done from Frankfurt in Germany, therefore only giving Scotland control of fiscal policy and not monetary policy | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off..
I just googled this and im afraid i got the same answer, legal currency yes. Legal tender no.
The definition of legal tender is that it must be backed up by a central Bank, the bank of England allows the printing of Scottish and Irish notes by consent but that doesnt make them legal tender, the strange thing is when you read about it is anything can be used as currency sheep, wool, fine art, food but legal tender has a promise to the bearer and issued by the central bank only.
Scotland it would seem has no legal right to use sterling, however im sure even after departing the union some agreement could be reached about allowing them to continue using it providing they meet parameters
I will admit I used the word 'tender' when I should have used the word 'currency'. However, it should be noted that Bank of England notes are not 'legal tender' in Scotland.
My original argument was that Scotland could still use Pounds if it wanted and did stress that it probably wouldn't be linked to the Bank of England.
It was put forward to argue against another post that said Scotland wouldn't be able to use the Pound..
I couldnt see why they couldnt continue using sterling except for that it would remain under the control of the UK and not Scotland, from what i could see on Google if you joined the euro you would still need a central Bank but the issue of your currency would be done from Frankfurt in Germany, therefore only giving Scotland control of fiscal policy and not monetary policy"And if a country cannot control its own monetary policy then is it truly independant? | |||
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"Bit of luck they get there vote and this time it's leave then we won't AV to listen to them moan on and on and on lol will be the end of your British Pound too, think about it when you are out of the EU
And how long did it take Alex Salmond to realise that an independent Scotland couldn't use the £ during the last referendum?
You do realise that 3 Scottish banks print and issue pound notes in various denominations, don't you?
Who says we can't continue to do so after independence? It might not necessarily be linked to the Bank of England pound but does the name of the currency matter? Australia has Dollars as do many other countries. Lebanon and South Sudan use Pounds too. Nothing to do with Bank of England pounds but it is just a name, after all. Before the Euro both France and Switzerland had francs. Why can't Scotland have pounds if it wants?
They can but it won't be called Pounds Sterling and won't be regulated by the Bank Of England.
You have to realise that it's not just a case of printing money and hoping for the best. You have to have a whole myriad of regulations and controls in place, both internally and internationally.
And then you have to hope that people and countries will be prepared to trade with you with your currency. Put it this way, Scottish banknotes down here are treated like mickey mouse money and are got rid of asap.
That's precisely the attitude that will lead to independence. Despite the fact that Scottish banknotes are legal tender they 'are treated like Mickey Mouse money'. There is absolutely no respect from the English for any Scottish institutions from Banks to Parliament.
Considering how much the Pound Sterling has dropped in value, I suggest you put your own house in order before you start dismissing the credibility of Scottish Pound notes. I doubt it's going to be too long before the Pound Sterling is like Monopoly money.
OMG......Scottish Banknotes are not even legal tender in Scotland, let alone the rest of the UK.
Take your SNP glasses off for a moment, do some research and please, come back with facts and not ill-informed opinions.
According to Bank of England Scottish banknotes 'are legal currency and can be used throughout the United Kingdom'.
I suggest you take your 'Google the answer'glasses off..
I just googled this and im afraid i got the same answer, legal currency yes. Legal tender no.
The definition of legal tender is that it must be backed up by a central Bank, the bank of England allows the printing of Scottish and Irish notes by consent but that doesnt make them legal tender, the strange thing is when you read about it is anything can be used as currency sheep, wool, fine art, food but legal tender has a promise to the bearer and issued by the central bank only.
Scotland it would seem has no legal right to use sterling, however im sure even after departing the union some agreement could be reached about allowing them to continue using it providing they meet parameters
I will admit I used the word 'tender' when I should have used the word 'currency'. However, it should be noted that Bank of England notes are not 'legal tender' in Scotland.
My original argument was that Scotland could still use Pounds if it wanted and did stress that it probably wouldn't be linked to the Bank of England.
It was put forward to argue against another post that said Scotland wouldn't be able to use the Pound.
Yes but as an independent country, you still need to have an independent bank and banking system. Something that just doesn't happen overnight. "I'm not disputing that point. However, Scotland has a wide range of Internationally recognised financial institutions which could contribute to forming a central bank. Aberdeen Assets and Standard Life have combined assets of £660bn. Yes, that's 660 billion pounds! | |||
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