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"Lets continue here, the other thread was good, of course you will alwais get liberals and lefties that will turn a blind eye to what is going on, here is another report and this time from katie hopkins today. Where females fear to tread: katie hopkins reports from sweden, the scandi-lib paradise where terrified women have vanished from the streets and a conspiracy of silence and self-censorship on immigration buries the truth." Evil liberals in their dystopian paradise .Thank god katie is going in guns blazing. | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything." No, not at all, it have been in the news for a long time before she did that, but its good it gets brought up. | |||
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"Katie Hopkins = Publicity whore. Why on earth would anyone give credibility to anything that comes out her mouth. " I dont, but it is true and it is good she brings it up to the english media. | |||
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"Katie Hopkins = Publicity whore. Why on earth would anyone give credibility to anything that comes out her mouth. I dont, but it is true and it is good she brings it up to the english media." The trouble with Hopkins and her ilk is their desire to sensationalise anything to get their name mentioned or face on a screen. Whilst the nucleus of the story may have a degree of credibility, the fact that Hopkins is behind this particular version causes me to be sceptical.Her history of inflammatory and confrontational journalism causes me to take everything she says with a pinch of salt. | |||
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"Katie Hopkins = Publicity whore. Why on earth would anyone give credibility to anything that comes out her mouth. I dont, but it is true and it is good she brings it up to the english media. The trouble with Hopkins and her ilk is their desire to sensationalise anything to get their name mentioned or face on a screen. Whilst the nucleus of the story may have a degree of credibility, the fact that Hopkins is behind this particular version causes me to be sceptical.Her history of inflammatory and confrontational journalism causes me to take everything she says with a pinch of salt. " So a pretty straight-forward question then; would you walk around these districts alone? If not, why not? | |||
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"Katie Hopkins = Publicity whore. Why on earth would anyone give credibility to anything that comes out her mouth. I dont, but it is true and it is good she brings it up to the english media. The trouble with Hopkins and her ilk is their desire to sensationalise anything to get their name mentioned or face on a screen. Whilst the nucleus of the story may have a degree of credibility, the fact that Hopkins is behind this particular version causes me to be sceptical.Her history of inflammatory and confrontational journalism causes me to take everything she says with a pinch of salt. So a pretty straight-forward question then; would you walk around these districts alone? If not, why not?" No I wouldnt walk them areas because it is a security risk, would you? | |||
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 In Chile there are no go zones because of poverty and no opportunity. No migrant crisis there? Are the richest areas no go zones? Are there immigrants there?
Is this just a poverty and crime issue being disguised as an immigrant problem. Governments love a scapegoat. | |||
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"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426413/Neo-Nazis-warn-year-violence-following-attacks-child-migrants-train-station-Sweden.html" Wow it is a no go zone for immigrants. Daily mail too. | |||
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"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426413/Neo-Nazis-warn-year-violence-following-attacks-child-migrants-train-station-Sweden.html Wow it is a no go zone for immigrants. Daily mail too. " That is right, the backlash have started. | |||
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" this is interesting and from BBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZOUtMDB1Iw&ab_channel=TheDeplorables " Quite a good interview. The point about there being a problem with unemployment for immigrants is important. Also Andrew Marr gave the statistic of Malmo's murder rate being 3 per 100,000 as opposed to Chicago's 28 per 100,000. So it's probably worth keeping things in perspective (or deciding that Sweden is covering up murders all the time, I guess, if you must). | |||
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"Lots of youtube videos etc. to back up Hopkins. Fire engines now have bullet proof windscreens and ambulance drivers are now on record demanding helmets and bullet proof vests as well as police protection before they go into No-Go Zones: http://www.weeklystandard.com/video-head-of-ambulance-union-confirms-no-go-zones-in-sweden/article/2007000 Here is a Swedish journalist called Ivar Arpi discussing Swedish self-censorship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMq1MS4KGs And here's the view from a another Swede who watched the same video: "As a Swede I like someone stepping up and telling it as it is. I'm sad for Ivar Arpi though, the Swedish leftwing media (which is basically all our media) will dissect his statements into tiny pieces, get hung up on minor details that they can't find any applicable facts to, label him a racist/Nazi/SD-supporter..." " 12 years ago the number of attacks throughout this green and pleasant land on Firefighters was in the several hundreds per year, not just in one town or city and its accepted that not all Fire authorities have been reporting such attacks accurately and again its accepted such incidents against are 'under reported' by Fire service personnel.. front line ambulance staff in some area's have been wearing stab vests for over 14 years and attacks on them out on the ground are again well documented and again its UK wide, not just in one town or city.. Nurses and Hospital staff.. Police.. again all UK wide.. context .. | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? " Because they cover up of what is happening there, so they can have the perfect image of sweden of how it was, that is why they dont want to make a big deal out of it and wont say how bad it really is. | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? Because they cover up of what is happening there, so they can have the perfect image of sweden of how it was, that is why they dont want to make a big deal out of it and wont say how bad it really is." Why would the UK government cover it up? | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? Because they cover up of what is happening there, so they can have the perfect image of sweden of how it was, that is why they dont want to make a big deal out of it and wont say how bad it really is. Why would the UK government cover it up?" I thought you meant the swedish government there? | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? Because they cover up of what is happening there, so they can have the perfect image of sweden of how it was, that is why they dont want to make a big deal out of it and wont say how bad it really is. Why would the UK government cover it up?I thought you meant the swedish government there?" No, that's the travel advice from the British government for UK citizens travelling to Sweden. | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? Because they cover up of what is happening there, so they can have the perfect image of sweden of how it was, that is why they dont want to make a big deal out of it and wont say how bad it really is. Why would the UK government cover it up?I thought you meant the swedish government there? No, that's the travel advice from the British government for UK citizens travelling to Sweden." I see and yes, that is right it does too with the advice there. | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? " I think you may be better asking some people who went on holiday to Tunisia if they think the government always warn of security risks. I struggle to believe Malmo is a massive risk but unless anyone has been there recently they are not qualified to judge. | |||
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"This is the guidance from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Crime Crime levels are low although there is some petty crime. Violent crime does occur; instances of gang related crime, including shootings and explosions, have been reported in Malmö and Gothenburg. Pick pocketing can be a problem in the major cities when tourists are targeted for passports and cash. Why aren't the government warning people about the dangers? I think you may be better asking some people who went on holiday to Tunisia if they think the government always warn of security risks. I struggle to believe Malmo is a massive risk but unless anyone has been there recently they are not qualified to judge. " My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. | |||
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" I think you may be better asking some people who went on holiday to Tunisia if they think the government always warn of security risks. I struggle to believe Malmo is a massive risk but unless anyone has been there recently they are not qualified to judge. " But that was a terrorist attack which is different to what we are talking about here isn't it. If it's so dangerous that locals are terrified to go out at night, every night, supposedly for quite some time now, that it very different to a one off terrorist attack. If it's really that bad, then why aren't the US, UK, Irish and Australian governments (probably others too) warning about such a dangerous country? | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings." What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? " Yes, all of them, but mostly the attacks and random shootings. | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? Yes, all of them, but mostly the attacks and random shootings." And are these rational fears? Is crime actually increasing, or is it just the fear of crime that's increasing, as it is in many developed countries. | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? Yes, all of them, but mostly the attacks and random shootings. And are these rational fears? Is crime actually increasing, or is it just the fear of crime that's increasing, as it is in many developed countries. " No, it is for real, at least one or more gets shot there daily and it is increasing, not long ago, one threw in a hand grenade in a window that was open, the police have lost control. | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? Yes, all of them, but mostly the attacks and random shootings. And are these rational fears? Is crime actually increasing, or is it just the fear of crime that's increasing, as it is in many developed countries. No, it is for real, at least one or more gets shot there daily and it is increasing, not long ago, one threw in a hand grenade in a window that was open, the police have lost control. " But Malmo has a murder rate of 3 people per 100,000 and cities like Chicago have a murder rate of 28 per 100,000. In 2003 London had a murder rate of 2.7 per 100,000 so not that different. | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? Yes, all of them, but mostly the attacks and random shootings. And are these rational fears? Is crime actually increasing, or is it just the fear of crime that's increasing, as it is in many developed countries. No, it is for real, at least one or more gets shot there daily and it is increasing, not long ago, one threw in a hand grenade in a window that was open, the police have lost control. But Malmo has a murder rate of 3 people per 100,000 and cities like Chicago have a murder rate of 28 per 100,000. In 2003 London had a murder rate of 2.7 per 100,000 so not that different. " Yes, but the government is lying about the statistics tho, it is like a dictator ship almost there. | |||
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"My relatives lives there and they say it is the difference between night and day, they dont go out in the evenings. What is it that they are afraid of? Pick pockets? Muggers? Murder? Rape? Racist abuse? Car jacking? Yes, all of them, but mostly the attacks and random shootings. And are these rational fears? Is crime actually increasing, or is it just the fear of crime that's increasing, as it is in many developed countries. No, it is for real, at least one or more gets shot there daily and it is increasing, not long ago, one threw in a hand grenade in a window that was open, the police have lost control. But Malmo has a murder rate of 3 people per 100,000 and cities like Chicago have a murder rate of 28 per 100,000. In 2003 London had a murder rate of 2.7 per 100,000 so not that different. " You are really naive 
So you trust everything the government tells you ?
Figures from the travel advisory from any country will generally be based on the official stats provided to consulates and embassy's of that country . Only in specific situations will these numbers differ from official ones !
Now this can be tricky, as criteria for reporting and classifying crime differs from country to country , so just going by murder per 100 000 can be misleading.
Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety!
LOL.... If you go to Sweden and get killed ...you have nothing to worry about.... you are dead! 
The worrisome bit is actually what can happen to you, before , or if you survive serious situation of bodily harm of some type.
Now in the case of Sweden you cannot trust government statistics for two reasons:
1- The form they are compiled , specifically the criteria to classify an event.
2- Censorship. 
Both one and two have long been part of the system and have been used and abused for all sorts of reasons, ranging from political correctness ,political convenience, party politics, or simply defending the internal and external image of the country , perpetuating the myth of a Sweden that is no more!
Now back to the dumb criteria of murder per 100 000!
I don't believe that Malmö has a murder rate that low ! could be double or triple , and this is difficult to ascertain.
The influx of asylum seekers and immigrants has brought Swedish authorities and judicial system situations that it was not prepared for!
One of these "solutions" was the creation of ALMA and code 291.
An example of this is the tradition in some cultures of "HONOUR" killing !
So...is an "Honour" killing murder ?....it depends....
By "traditional" western European (Sweden included) values and legal
standards, its murder!
However its not so in Sweden! Why ? because they changed the constitution to include the respect for the values and traditions of the newcomers!
This created a legal double stardard that is part of the havoc !
If you are a "ethnic" Swede , and marry two women , you are charged with bigamy!
But if you are a muslim, because your culture and religion allows it, you are not a bigamist legally speaking!
So.... in this context are honour killings considered as murder....?
NO Most are NOT !
As anyone ever heard of the "BALCONY BOYS an GIRLS"
Its a way round the law to commit murder, and an honour killing in Sweden!
If a son, daughter, wife or any family member shames the family by being gay , committing adultery, or in the case of muslim women dating non muslim , or worse, Allah forbid a White ethnic Swede, they "FALL" of the balcony or high rise building !
Now these are investigated and overwhelmingly recorded as "accidents"
In some cases the cops dont even bother to waste time and resources, because nobody ever "sees" anything ,or testifies! Why ? mmm.... car, house burned , kids assaulted, gang raped , or both ! Or...you might find yourself tripping and falling of the balcony your self!
Yes I know it sounds outlandish..... but its true.... part of the new SWEDEN that some on this forum refuse to believe exist, even in spite of the fact that people like me or Shag have first hand knowledge of these facts. And while I only have Swedish family members , Shag is actually SWEDISH ....
http://islamineurope.blogspot.pt/2008/02/sweden-falling-off-balcony.html
Now include the 291 factor !
So.... does anybody still believe in "official" Swedish crime stats ?
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything." I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about" "I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert? I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse. | |||
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"Katie Hopkins = Publicity whore. Why on earth would anyone give credibility to anything that comes out her mouth. " You obviously have a lot in common with some of Sweden's racist misogynist Arabs who when interviewed by Hopkins told her: "'F*ck off, you white woman whore, go suck your mum,'". | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse. "So you are extrapolating then ! Just because YOU consider yourself not up to date with Chilean reality, because you havnt been there for ten years , you assume others to be like yourself ? based on what ? Besides .... its not about being an expert , its about being aware and having experienced the reality of Sweden today ! And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London! Also its about more then a simple mugging, that in fact can happen in most big cities anywhere in the world.
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse.
So you are extrapolating then !
Just because YOU consider yourself not up to date with Chilean reality, because you havnt been there for ten years , you assume others to be like yourself ? based on what ?
Besides .... its not about being an expert , its about being aware and having experienced the reality of Sweden today !
And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!
Also its about more then a simple mugging, that in fact can happen in most big cities anywhere in the world.
We are dealing with a more serious level of violence and insecurity ! "You're saying it's the most dangerous place in Europe? And you're saying there are no no-go zones in the UK in comparison? | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse.
So you are extrapolating then !
Just because YOU consider yourself not up to date with Chilean reality, because you havnt been there for ten years , you assume others to be like yourself ? based on what ?
Besides .... its not about being an expert , its about being aware and having experienced the reality of Sweden today !
And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!
Also its about more then a simple mugging, that in fact can happen in most big cities anywhere in the world.
We are dealing with a more serious level of violence and insecurity !
You're saying it's the most dangerous place in Europe? And you're saying there are no no-go zones in the UK in comparison?"What do you think is the root cause of it? | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! " It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse.
So you are extrapolating then !
Just because YOU consider yourself not up to date with Chilean reality, because you havnt been there for ten years , you assume others to be like yourself ? based on what ?
Besides .... its not about being an expert , its about being aware and having experienced the reality of Sweden today !
And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!
Also its about more then a simple mugging, that in fact can happen in most big cities anywhere in the world.
We are dealing with a more serious level of violence and insecurity !
You're saying it's the most dangerous place in Europe? And you're saying there are no no-go zones in the UK in comparison?
What do you think is the root cause of it?"To answer two posts of yours: Again you are trying to deflect the issue and deviate from the topic ! very frustrating! So please stop doing that ! Nowhere in my post do I imply that its most dangerous place in Europe or any other comparison with the UK! You seem to constantly do that ! 
The root cause...mmm several actually , not going to cite them all but here are the main ones :
1-Cultural differences, and incompatibility.
2-Lack of ability or will to integrate .
3-Racism by the immigrants towards
Swedes and other immigrants stemming from ethnic and religious or historical differences.
4- Tension resulting from over crowding and lack of accommodation. Also from mistakes from Swedish services that sometimes are so naive , that they actually put in the same building ethnic groups or nationalities that were fighting each other in their country of origin. Yes... unbelievable but true !
5-Too generous benefits and welfare systems !
6- Unwillingness to learn Swedish ( when they do learn the language they loose benefits , and have to find a job )
Since they get a certain amount per capita , a couple with 4 or five kids will get free housing as well and thus get more money doing nothing then actually work ! So there is no incentive to work !
7- The mild mannered calm Swedish social behaviour is perceived as weakness , and thus abused. This is re-enforced by the submissive sheepish stance of politicians that impose too much restraint on the police to crack down on offenders!
8- Most of these people originate from places where the only law and order is force and often the AK 47 or other weapons !
Does that suffice ?
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. " Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity ! | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity ! "Do you think the murder rate in Malmo is higher or lower than Chicago? | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity !
Do you think the murder rate in Malmo is higher or lower than Chicago?
"I cant say ! Because unlike in the US and Chicago , in Sweden and Malmo there is Censorship And the media collaborate in that too ..... Besides ...as I mentioned in previous posts , one cant say or evaluate unless the criteria involved in compiling the numbers is known! | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity ! "All your previous posts have to offer is the repeated, unproven claim that there is a cover up over the true crime statistics in Sweden. No doubt you will respond and suggest I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory. | |||
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"There seem to be a core of people on this site and elsewhere who are completely obsessed with finding fault and encouraging hate towards refugees and migrants. " Oh... how so ? Please elaborate ? | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity !
All your previous posts have to offer is the repeated, unproven claim that there is a cover up over the true crime statistics in Sweden.
No doubt you will respond and suggest I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory.
""You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see ! | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity !
Do you think the murder rate in Malmo is higher or lower than Chicago?
I cant say ! Because unlike in the US and Chicago , in Sweden and Malmo there is Censorship And the media collaborate in that too .....
Besides ...as I mentioned in previous posts , one cant say or evaluate unless the criteria involved in compiling the numbers is known! "So you can't say, but it seems again and again that you are trying to say how awful it is, but you aren't sure if its better, worse or the same as another city. | |||
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"The unfortunate thing is that it does actually seem like there are some issues in Sweden. They have probably been too ambitious in the number of asylum seekers they can practically take - see the high unemployment rates mentioned above. High unemployment often leads to other social problems. However, when people start making wild claims about Sweden being overrun by violence, it distracts from talking about the actual issues. But then, the likes of Trump and Farage aren't interested in actualling solving anything. They just want to use immigrants as a handy 'other' to blame and demonise." Reality and denial is a bitch.... Not all immigrants or emigrants are the same , are they ? | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity !
All your previous posts have to offer is the repeated, unproven claim that there is a cover up over the true crime statistics in Sweden.
No doubt you will respond and suggest I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory.
"You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink"
"I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory."
Your words... not mine !
Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see ! "This is fairly pointless as your idea of debate is to get personal and make what you think are clever 'jokes'. I'll merely invite anyone reading to look up Code 291 and see how convincing they find it (for example, the 1st Google hit regarding it is to a brazen right wing propaganda website, whilst the 2nd Google hit is to Alex Jones's Info War website, well known for its outlandish claims). | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity !
Do you think the murder rate in Malmo is higher or lower than Chicago?
I cant say ! Because unlike in the US and Chicago , in Sweden and Malmo there is Censorship And the media collaborate in that too .....
Besides ...as I mentioned in previous posts , one cant say or evaluate unless the criteria involved in compiling the numbers is known!
So you can't say, but it seems again and again that you are trying to say how awful it is, but you aren't sure if its better, worse or the same as another city. "Isn't he thread about Sweden ? Its not about comparing Malmo or any other Swedish cities , to their counter parts of the world ! Its about comparing Sweden today to Sweden 25 or 30 years ago ! This you cant do on statistics alone ! Its more a case of having lived an witnessed the change As I , relatives and friends of mine have ! Now except for Shag , who is actually Swedish, most posters on here have never lived or even visited Sweden , but they pretend to know better !
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see ! "I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments. The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing. | |||
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"Katie Hopkins = Publicity whore. Why on earth would anyone give credibility to anything that comes out her mouth. You obviously have a lot in common with some of Sweden's racist misogynist Arabs who when interviewed by Hopkins told her: "'F*ck off, you white woman whore, go suck your mum,'". No. I'm just a bit more critical on my choice of news sources. It's based on the fact that she courts controversy to further her career irrespective of the subject matter. The Mail recently paid out £150,000 for comments she falsely made about a Muslim family. This is the same woman that 'promised' to leave the UK if Trump won the US election. The woman that calls the Ebola virus 'effective'. She doesn't like 'fat' or 'ginger' people and thinks 'suicidal prisoners should just kill themselves' I'm not doubting the veracity of the story and I will accept that I don't know enough about the situation in Sweden to make an informed comment (but apparently many on here do). However, my point is, I give very little credence to anything this self publicist says or write because it is only done to ensure her name gets publicised. I will add, however, that if you think Sweden is bad, try going for a walk after dark in certain areas of Glasgow. It might not be divided on race but it certainly is on religion. Be from the wrong religion in the wrong part of Glasgow and you'll know what trouble is. " | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing."Your comprehension skills need some work my friend. | |||
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" Actually I find it ridiculous that some on here are using murder rate as a yardstick for safety! It's very obviously not the only factor, but it's one indicator of how dangerous a place is. Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself. And it'd be better evidence than YouTube videos and dodgy websites. Unbelievable !
You either :
-Cant read ,or when you do , dont understand what you are reading !
-Have not read my previous post, attention deficit perhaps, or just intellectually dishonest or both!
-Or carry on thinking you are right , regardless , and in spite of any evidence presented to you !
Quoting your "brilliant" statement:
"Let's face it, if the Malmo murder rate was exceptionally high you'd be using it as evidence yourself."
Wow Einstein ....How "clever" of you?
The answer is in my previous posts !
READ IT .... and if don't get it, too bad !
I have to humbly confess and apologise to others on the thread, but I have little tolerance for three things in life ...D*unks, Ignorance, and stupidity !
Do you think the murder rate in Malmo is higher or lower than Chicago?
I cant say ! Because unlike in the US and Chicago , in Sweden and Malmo there is Censorship And the media collaborate in that too .....
Besides ...as I mentioned in previous posts , one cant say or evaluate unless the criteria involved in compiling the numbers is known!
So you can't say, but it seems again and again that you are trying to say how awful it is, but you aren't sure if its better, worse or the same as another city.
Isn't he thread about Sweden ? Its not about comparing Malmo or any other Swedish cities , to their counter parts of the world !
Its about comparing Sweden today to Sweden 25 or 30 years ago ! This you cant do on statistics alone ! Its more a case of having lived an witnessed the change As I , relatives and friends of mine have !
Now except for Shag , who is actually Swedish, most posters on here have never lived or even visited Sweden , but they pretend to know better !
Had you ever heard of Honour killings, or "balcony" Girls and boys before I posted it here ? "That is right, it is fun how you get experts here on a country that got no clue how it works, they are usually liberals and lefties. | |||
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" Isn't he thread about Sweden ? Its not about comparing Malmo or any other Swedish cities , to their counter parts of the world ! Its about comparing Sweden today to Sweden 25 or 30 years ago ! This you cant do on statistics alone ! Its more a case of having lived an witnessed the change As I , relatives and friends of mine have ! Now except for Shag , who is actually Swedish, most posters on here have never lived or even visited Sweden , but they pretend to know better !
Had you ever heard of Honour killings, or "balcony" Girls and boys before I posted it here ? "Right, so the only think we are comparing is one town 25-30 years ago to that same town now? We don’t care about how it compares to other places? If it is really dangerous or not? Just if its got worse or not? OK so lets look at that then, has the population of the town increased over 25-30 years? Most towns have grown, and so the amount of crime goes up with population. Maybe that is what is happening here? This is purely a hypothetical, but if the murder rate in Sweden went from 0.5 per 100,000 in 1987 to 1 per 100,000 in 2017, that would be a 100% increase right? Now if we compare it to Somewhereville with a murder rate of 80 per 100,000 in 1987 to 158 per 100,000 in 2017, an increase of 97.5%, which city would be safer for you to live in? The one with a 97.5% rise in the murder rate, or the one with a 100% rise in the murder rate? | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing.".. Agree  . | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing... Agree ."HaHa, Jane, why don’t you ever actually add anything to the debate, 99% of you comments are just thumbs up to someone else’s posts. Dont you have anything original to say? No one, not one single person on this thread has given any support, let alone unconditional support to rapists or people who commit violence against other people. Seeing as Sweden doesn’t record the ethnicity or religious affiliation of perpetrators of crimes, to label them as Koran inspired, or illegal immigrants cannot come from any official source. Making such comments really smack of islamophobia and xenophobia. | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing."Actually what is both disturbing and dangerous are the number of people who have become psychotically obsessed with the irrational fear of immigrants and refugees and the threat that they feel that they and the world are under from such people. The obsessed search the Internet for anything and everything that inflames their already heightened fears and then do their utmost to spread half truths, misinformation and downright lies just as a means to validate their own psychotic state of mind. Ask yourself... Am I looking for rationalisation to assuage my fears and to provide balance to mind or do I only search out the things that confirm my fears? Do I post attention grabbing messages on social media in an effort to enlighten people about the threat that they are under or do I try to post objectively and with balance in order to more fully understand a situation? | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing... Agree ."Harsh accusations. Fueled by what?If this is true, report them. This is unacceptable to support such atrocities. I also condem all violence no matter the religion. | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing."I don't think that I've seen anyone condone any kind of rape, Koran inspired or not. As regards to violence, it is usually the right on here who are quick to condone it, although I haven't seen either side specifically condone Koran inspired violence. Disbelieving some right wing YouTube nut job is not the same thing. | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing... Agree .
HaHa, Jane, why don’t you ever actually add anything to the debate, 99% of you comments are just thumbs up to someone else’s posts. Dont you have anything original to say?
No one, not one single person on this thread has given any support, let alone unconditional support to rapists or people who commit violence against other people.
Seeing as Sweden doesn’t record the ethnicity or religious affiliation of perpetrators of crimes, to label them as Koran inspired, or illegal immigrants cannot come from any official source. Making such comments really smack of islamophobia and xenophobia. "... ..I agree...shame on me. | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing."Complete and utter bullshit, you spout this sort of crap now and then and like before you are told that it's bollock's.. You view is pretty disturbed and you come over as an obsessed individual if your posts are an indicator of your thought processes .. Care to actually point out where anyone has supported rape and violence.. Back up your vile claims.. | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing."You are totally nuts mate....... | |||
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"@Shag. No blind eye. So there is greater crime rates than the official stats. Why cover it up?" Because they want to have the same good reputation of sweden as it was before. | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse. "I am German and have lived in England for just over 20 years But I do visit home twice, sometimes, three times a year Not everyone is like you Do you know how many times Shag has visited his homeland in the last 10 years or are you just making baseless assumptions? | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse.
I am German and have lived in England for just over 20 years
But I do visit home twice, sometimes, three times a year
Not everyone is like you
Do you know how many times Shag has visited his homeland in the last 10 years or are you just making baseless assumptions?"If you have read above. I said my relatives lives there and reports back what is happening. | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse.
I am German and have lived in England for just over 20 years
But I do visit home twice, sometimes, three times a year
Not everyone is like you
Do you know how many times Shag has visited his homeland in the last 10 years or are you just making baseless assumptions?"The complete opposite. I know about my homeland than I made you believe, because of one assumption that's missed. Family. Shag mentioned he has family there. I believe him. I can relate to it. But I questioned the YouTube sources from Tony and omaha pin pointing it to Islam and feminism. They're opinion based. The facts they point to is a video of youtubers giving their opinion. | |||
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"Sweden and Denmark. First to fall in the kalergi plan..." Tin foiler nonsense. | |||
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"Come on, Katie Hopkins is your source? You have to know she's not credible on anything. Shes made a career out of saying controversial things for attention. If she thought it would get attention she'd say anything. I am assuming you Jimmy and BoB are aware of the fact that Shag is Swedish ! So I am wondering .... based on what are you assuming you know the reality of his native Sweden better then he does ?
While I wait for some sort of explanation from you , I am reminded of this saying:
" The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about"
I'm Chilean as well as British. Never visited for 10 year. Does it make me an expert?
I lived in London. Most of my life. I wouldn't go out at night. You'll get mugged or worse.
I am German and have lived in England for just over 20 years
But I do visit home twice, sometimes, three times a year
Not everyone is like you
Do you know how many times Shag has visited his homeland in the last 10 years or are you just making baseless assumptions?
The complete opposite. I know about my homeland than I made you believe, because of one assumption that's missed. Family. Shag mentioned he has family there. I believe him. I can relate to it.
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all." If this is not happening in Sweden why is the so called 'far right' anti immigration party leading in the polls for next years elections? Do you think the Swedish people don't know what is going on and that they are falling for lies? | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing.
Complete and utter bullshit, you spout this sort of crap now and then and like before you are told that it's bollock's..
You view is pretty disturbed and you come over as an obsessed individual if your posts are an indicator of your thought processes ..
Care to actually point out where anyone has supported rape and violence..
Back up your vile claims..
"I think what the poster is saying is that there appears to be a distinct reluctance by some members of this site to unconditionally condemn the crimes to which he refers . Refugees misrepresenting their ages are putting some care workers in danger . 30 year old men are pretending to be under 16. Drivers at Calais are being put at risk of attack and lorry loads of food destined for the UK are having to be destroyed because if a migrant enters a trailer illegally the whole load is condemned . Some firms are avoiding Calais now and drivers are afraid to stop because of the risk of attack. | |||
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" "You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink" "I'm stupid again for not buying into your unevidenced conspiracy theory." Your words... not mine ! Its not theory, Code 291 is fact ! But one cannot expect a blind man to see !
I admire your tenacity and your coherent arguments.
The scale of unconditional support by so-called 'swingers' on this and other threads for koran-inspired rape and violence by fraudulent and illegal economic immigrants is very disturbing.
Complete and utter bullshit, you spout this sort of crap now and then and like before you are told that it's bollock's..
You view is pretty disturbed and you come over as an obsessed individual if your posts are an indicator of your thought processes ..
Care to actually point out where anyone has supported rape and violence..
Back up your vile claims..
I think what the poster is saying is that there appears to be a distinct reluctance by some members of this site to unconditionally condemn the crimes to which he refers .
Refugees misrepresenting their ages are putting some care workers in danger . 30 year old men are pretending to be under 16.
Drivers at Calais are being put at risk of attack and lorry loads of food destined for the UK are having to be destroyed because if a migrant enters a trailer illegally the whole load is condemned .
Some firms are avoiding Calais now and drivers are afraid to stop because of the risk of attack.
"Omaha has constantly made such 'claims' repeatedly over the last few years and on many occasions by many other forum user's has been challenged on the veracity of such.. his usual response is personal attacks and posting such vile and offensive claptrap as he has on this, again not new.. accusing people of supporting rape and violence is unfounded, vile and not relevant or necessary to any debate about violence in any city or by any group.. and frankly if you are of the opinion that there is reluctance to condemn such things then you are being sucked in to his bizarre thinking.. the other issues have been also debated on here but when you have posters like him talking about the use of machine guns and drowning of women and children as a solution then that's hardly a sensible debate.. | |||
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" I think what the poster is saying is that there appears to be a distinct reluctance by some members of this site to unconditionally condemn the crimes to which he refers . " This is just a complete misreading (deliberately?) of what has been discussed in this thread and others on the same subject. The issue being debated is not 'are crimes commited in the name of Islamic extremism horrific and should be fought against?'. It is 'as Trump and Farage claim, is Sweden overrun by Islamic extremists to the point it is in crisis?' Being sceptical that the answer to the second question is 'yes' does not tell you anything about what a person thinks about the first question. | |||
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all." Absolutely not. But if you backed up your claims with verifiable film footage, the testimony of serving police and fire officers, and a shit load of other first hand accounts, I would certainly take a closer look. | |||
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all. Absolutely not. But if you backed up your claims with verifiable film footage, the testimony of serving police and fire officers, and a shit load of other first hand accounts, I would certainly take a closer look." There us just to much fske news mixed into all this propaganda .The American television channel Fox News incorrectly presented nils bildt as a defense and national security advisor for Sweden even though he himself said has never worked with the Swedish military or government. A YouTube documentary from Sweden by an American filmmaker that directly linked immigrants to violent crime was unethically edited and driven by the filmmaker's agenda, said two cameramen involved in the project.Its quite obvious there is much bias and agenda driven Islamaphobia in these videos. The Swedish Institute of International affairs said "Russia has coordinated a campaign over the past two years to influence Swedish decision-making by using disinformation, propaganda and false document". | |||
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all. Absolutely not. But if you backed up your claims with verifiable film footage, the testimony of serving police and fire officers, and a shit load of other first hand accounts, I would certainly take a closer look. There us just to much fske news mixed into all this propaganda .The American television channel Fox News incorrectly presented nils bildt as a defense and national security advisor for Sweden even though he himself said has never worked with the Swedish military or government. A YouTube documentary from Sweden by an American filmmaker that directly linked immigrants to violent crime was unethically edited and driven by the filmmaker's agenda, said two cameramen involved in the project.Its quite obvious there is much bias and agenda driven Islamaphobia in these videos. The Swedish Institute of International affairs said "Russia has coordinated a campaign over the past two years to influence Swedish decision-making by using disinformation, propaganda and false document"." They need an enemy otherwise they wont be able to cause fear and dominate; the chosen enemy now is Muslims, similar to when Jews were the chosen enemy during the 30s. | |||
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all. Absolutely not. But if you backed up your claims with verifiable film footage, the testimony of serving police and fire officers, and a shit load of other first hand accounts, I would certainly take a closer look." Similar happened in Germany during the Cologne attacks. The Police suppressed the information so that there won't be a backlash against the migrants. But it became difficult as almost 1,000 women were attacked in one night by the migrants and the news leaked out | |||
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all. Absolutely not. But if you backed up your claims with verifiable film footage, the testimony of serving police and fire officers, and a shit load of other first hand accounts, I would certainly take a closer look. Similar happened in Germany during the Cologne attacks. The Police suppressed the information so that there won't be a backlash against the migrants. But it became difficult as almost 1,000 women were attacked in one night by the migrants and the news leaked out" Alas when you then have the likes of Bild running fake stories about similar attack of 900 women in Frankfurt that they then had to retract and apologies for making up. And then you have Breitbart making up stories about 1000-strong muslim mob setting fire to Germnay's oldest church.... you can see why people are skeptical of these claims. Alas the alt-right fearmongers are doing a dis-service to those who have been actually assaulted by crying wolf. -Matt | |||
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"I live in Cambridge, if I told you that there were no-go zones, rapes and shootings and grenade attacks everyday, people being murdered by gangs of Tibetan Buddhists, but that the mainstream media were covering it up and the government were hiding it because they didn't want the city or the university's reputation damaged. Would you believe me? I do live here after all. Absolutely not. But if you backed up your claims with verifiable film footage, the testimony of serving police and fire officers, and a shit load of other first hand accounts, I would certainly take a closer look. Similar happened in Germany during the Cologne attacks. The Police suppressed the information so that there won't be a backlash against the migrants. But it became difficult as almost 1,000 women were attacked in one night by the migrants and the news leaked out Alas when you then have the likes of Bild running fake stories about similar attack of 900 women in Frankfurt that they then had to retract and apologies for making up. And then you have Breitbart making up stories about 1000-strong muslim mob setting fire to Germnay's oldest church.... you can see why people are skeptical of these claims. Alas the alt-right fearmongers are doing a dis-service to those who have been actually assaulted by crying wolf. -Matt " I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne" Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right? | |||
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"Although, it is not new news that women are afraid to go on their own there. " Yep, Donald Trump pointed out this also not to long ago | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right? "Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is? | |||
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"Probleys some where at the precipice of his point, is the fact people need careing for, things need changing when the cause of affect is negative. Bet you'd find the point real quick if you where scared to go outside. We got to look for and love one another, pick people up from the dirt. Not kick them down " We (Germans) did pick up three million of them from the dirt and cared for them. Then some of them demonstrated their gratitude to us in Cologne and elsewhere in Germany. I think I would be more inclined to protect my own from outsiders who despite being shown kindness and compassion by us, attack us I take it that your opinion is different from mine | |||
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"Probleys some where at the precipice of his point, is the fact people need careing for, things need changing when the cause of affect is negative. Bet you'd find the point real quick if you where scared to go outside. We got to look for and love one another, pick people up from the dirt. Not kick them down We (Germans) did pick up three million of them from the dirt and cared for them. Then some of them demonstrated their gratitude to us in Cologne and elsewhere in Germany. I think I would be more inclined to protect my own from outsiders who despite being shown kindness and compassion by us, attack us I take it that your opinion is different from mine" So a tiny percentage out of 3 million did some bad things.So What.A tiny percentage do bad things everywhere on earth. Your point is invalid.Your Islamaphobe is strong and agenda driven. | |||
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"Probleys some where at the precipice of his point, is the fact people need careing for, things need changing when the cause of affect is negative. Bet you'd find the point real quick if you where scared to go outside. We got to look for and love one another, pick people up from the dirt. Not kick them down We (Germans) did pick up three million of them from the dirt and cared for them. Then some of them demonstrated their gratitude to us in Cologne and elsewhere in Germany. I think I would be more inclined to protect my own from outsiders who despite being shown kindness and compassion by us, attack us I take it that your opinion is different from mine So a tiny percentage out of 3 million did some bad things.So What.A tiny percentage do bad things everywhere on earth. Your point is invalid.Your Islamaphobe is strong and agenda driven." Wotever | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in!" That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. " You don't have to close your borders | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders" Then how will you not 'let them in'? | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? " We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?"Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year. To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place. | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in" Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place."They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about." It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them"It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?"I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion" I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them"Put the bad ones in prison or deport them and keep the good ones simple.You cant blame an entire people for the actions of the few.If that was the case i could have issue with your german heritage. | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. " Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongs | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air"Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that? If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of themPut the bad ones in prison or deport them and keep the good ones simple.You cant blame an entire people for the actions of the few.If that was the case i could have issue with your german heritage. "I'd be quite willing and happy to return to Germany if you guys want me out. And it looks like you do, with your Brexit an' all Will they return to wherever they came from if we want them out? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools."I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongs" We have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them"Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution? | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in. "I agree, we should take a lot more refugees. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of themPut the bad ones in prison or deport them and keep the good ones simple.You cant blame an entire people for the actions of the few.If that was the case i could have issue with your german heritage. "....the biggest mistake Germany made was not going straight to the refugee camps and picking the genuine refugees... Now they are hosting alot of criminals who are more than likely criminal outcasts in their own country...now we have women being raped by not the first time they've done it rapist. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of themPut the bad ones in prison or deport them and keep the good ones simple.You cant blame an entire people for the actions of the few.If that was the case i could have issue with your german heritage.
I'd be quite willing and happy to return to Germany if you guys want me out. And it looks like you do, with your Brexit an' all
Will they return to wherever they came from if we want them out?"Not me i voted remain. You can stay. You should be fine with the brexiters also you look aryan. | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in. "Berlin has been the largest Turisk city outside of Turkey for decades. We have a lot more non-Whites in Germany, especially in the South And we have taken on 3 million migrants from just one part of the world in the last so many years. How many Syrians and Iraqis did you take in during that period? 30,000? 300,000? Not even close Don't just talk about it. Demonstrate against your government who are not taking the millions, as you would like them to | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in.
I agree, we should take a lot more refugees. "...the majority of the country disagree with you.l | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongs" So before I can voice my opinion that taking in refugees is largely the right and moral thing to do, I have to personally organise 3 million more to come to the UK? You seem very easily offended by a fairly commonplace opinion. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?"You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongs So before I can voice my opinion that taking in refugees is largely the right and moral thing to do, I have to personally organise 3 million more to come to the UK? You seem very easily offended by a fairly commonplace opinion. " Why not [ you having to arrange it personally ] if you so strongly belive that it is the right thing to do? Get onto the Internet, get millions of people to agree with you, get their signatures and present it to your government Where is your conscience? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible"I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times. | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in.
Berlin has been the largest Turisk city outside of Turkey for decades. We have a lot more non-Whites in Germany, especially in the South
And we have taken on 3 million migrants from just one part of the world in the last so many years. How many Syrians and Iraqis did you take in during that period? 30,000? 300,000? Not even close
Don't just talk about it. Demonstrate against your government who are not taking the millions, as you would like them to"Ive signed enough petitions. How about you why aren't you back home with your placard shouting "deutschland fur deutsche auslander raus" | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in.
Berlin has been the largest Turisk city outside of Turkey for decades. We have a lot more non-Whites in Germany, especially in the South
And we have taken on 3 million migrants from just one part of the world in the last so many years. How many Syrians and Iraqis did you take in during that period? 30,000? 300,000? Not even close
Don't just talk about it. Demonstrate against your government who are not taking the millions, as you would like them toIve signed enough petitions. How about you why aren't you back home with your placard shouting "deutschland fur deutsche auslander raus" "You have signed a petition and you think you have done enough for the migrants by just doing that? You disappoint me. I thought, that with your strong sense of right and wrong, you would organise protest marches and demonstrate against your government to allow millions in Or maybe, I gave you too much credit. Its just all hot air | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times. "There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?"You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that? | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in.
Berlin has been the largest Turisk city outside of Turkey for decades. We have a lot more non-Whites in Germany, especially in the South
And we have taken on 3 million migrants from just one part of the world in the last so many years. How many Syrians and Iraqis did you take in during that period? 30,000? 300,000? Not even close
Don't just talk about it. Demonstrate against your government who are not taking the millions, as you would like them toIve signed enough petitions. How about you why aren't you back home with your placard shouting "deutschland fur deutsche auslander raus"
You have signed a petition and you think you have done enough for the migrants by just doing that? You disappoint me. I thought, that with your strong sense of right and wrong, you would organise protest marches and demonstrate against your government to allow millions in
Or maybe, I gave you too much credit. Its just all hot air"Really? you think that changes things by marching?The war against the alt right is on the internet. Its propaganda and fake news that needs sorting out.Still you haven't said when you are off to Germany shouting deutschland fur deutsche auslander raus. Or is it just hot air . | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that? "No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you"Still you dont want to get on a plane to demonstrate against immigration. Obviously not that important.I rest my case. | |||
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"It is very easy to stop the violence done by 'others'. Just don't let them in! That is one approach, yes. We could all close our borders and leave people fleeing war and persecution to suffer and die in case one in a thousand is a criminal. You don't have to close your borders Then how will you not 'let them in'? We (Germans) have already taken in 3 million in as many years. Now you take the other 3 million in Uh, OK? That isn't really a response to what we were talking about. It is one response. What do you think? Would you like 3 million (or more) of them here. Where is your humanity and compassion I'd like the UK to take as many refugees as is practical, yes. I don't know if that number is 3 million. But I have no doubt we could be doing more than we are. Then do something about it. Got out in the streets and petition your government to take in millions of migrants And why do you think 3 million may not be practical for you? Your population is roughly the same as ours Once you have taken in 3+ million of them here in the next 3 years, then come back here and pontificate on the rights and wrongsWe have over 9 million non whites living here. We were multicultural long before Germany.And yes i think refugees should be allowed in.
Berlin has been the largest Turisk city outside of Turkey for decades. We have a lot more non-Whites in Germany, especially in the South
And we have taken on 3 million migrants from just one part of the world in the last so many years. How many Syrians and Iraqis did you take in during that period? 30,000? 300,000? Not even close
Don't just talk about it. Demonstrate against your government who are not taking the millions, as you would like them toIve signed enough petitions. How about you why aren't you back home with your placard shouting "deutschland fur deutsche auslander raus"
You have signed a petition and you think you have done enough for the migrants by just doing that? You disappoint me. I thought, that with your strong sense of right and wrong, you would organise protest marches and demonstrate against your government to allow millions in
Or maybe, I gave you too much credit. Its just all hot airReally? you think that changes things by marching?The war against the alt right is on the internet. Its propaganda and fake news that needs sorting out.Still you haven't said when you are off to Germany shouting deutschland fur deutsche auslander raus. Or is it just hot air
. "We are talking about your convictions which you have declared sanctimoniously been stating here for some time So, what have you done to get 3 million migrants from Syria in here and where are they? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you"Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts? "OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria? Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked! | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!"Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs? "Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?"Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are 
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?
Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
Are we going to discuss the reason for Germany taking immigrants and refugees? You know, the German demographics? "Nah, don't change the subject OK, I get it now. You keep on harking on about the poor migrants but either you haven't done anything to get those millions of poor souls into this country or if you have, then nobody is listening to you. That is about the gist of it There is another possibility. There are millions of Syrian migrants already here but you have kept them hidden in your backyard | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?
Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
Are we going to discuss the reason for Germany taking immigrants and refugees? You know, the German demographics?
Nah, don't change the subject
OK, I get it now. You keep on harking on about the poor migrants but either you haven't done anything to get those millions of poor souls into this country or if you have, then nobody is listening to you. That is about the gist of it
There is another possibility. There are millions of Syrian migrants already here but you have kept them hidden in your backyard"Right, so you dont want to discuss the fact that Germany NEEDS those people to keep its society going, you just want to say have they are all sex offenders
I wonder if you have ever considered your personal role in this? That perhaps Germany wouldn't need so many foreign workers if you had stayed? And I'm going to suggest that you are probably not a sex offender so it also would have been much safer for your fellow German citizens. I mean I'm a fan of immigration so I'm glad you are here paying taxes and being a customer for all sorts of companies, but obviously you see it from a different point of view. | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?
Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
Are we going to discuss the reason for Germany taking immigrants and refugees? You know, the German demographics?
Nah, don't change the subject
OK, I get it now. You keep on harking on about the poor migrants but either you haven't done anything to get those millions of poor souls into this country or if you have, then nobody is listening to you. That is about the gist of it
There is another possibility. There are millions of Syrian migrants already here but you have kept them hidden in your backyard
Right, so you dont want to discuss the fact that Germany NEEDS those people to keep its society going, you just want to say have they are all sex offenders
I wonder if you have ever considered your personal role in this? That perhaps Germany wouldn't need so many foreign workers if you had stayed? And I'm going to suggest that you are probably not a sex offender so it also would have been much safer for your fellow German citizens. I mean I'm a fan of immigration so I'm glad you are here paying taxes and being a customer for all sorts of companies, but obviously you see it from a different point of view."First you answer my question and then I might answer yours So far, you have been telling us all about your compassion and how these migrants from worn-torn Syria need to be helped because they are fleeing for their lives But when asked why are you not helping them reach this country, you give very vague answers Like I said. You are either just all talk; or you are not doing anything to help these needy people; and if you are, then nobody in their right mind is listening to you since reasonable people think about the consequences of letting in millions of outsiders in, which you don't | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. " Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?
Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
Are we going to discuss the reason for Germany taking immigrants and refugees? You know, the German demographics?
Nah, don't change the subject
OK, I get it now. You keep on harking on about the poor migrants but either you haven't done anything to get those millions of poor souls into this country or if you have, then nobody is listening to you. That is about the gist of it
There is another possibility. There are millions of Syrian migrants already here but you have kept them hidden in your backyard
Right, so you dont want to discuss the fact that Germany NEEDS those people to keep its society going, you just want to say have they are all sex offenders
I wonder if you have ever considered your personal role in this? That perhaps Germany wouldn't need so many foreign workers if you had stayed? And I'm going to suggest that you are probably not a sex offender so it also would have been much safer for your fellow German citizens. I mean I'm a fan of immigration so I'm glad you are here paying taxes and being a customer for all sorts of companies, but obviously you see it from a different point of view.
First you answer my question and then I might answer yours
So far, you have been telling us all about your compassion and how these migrants from worn-torn Syria need to be helped because they are fleeing for their lives
But when asked why are you not helping them reach this country, you give very vague answers
Like I said. You are either just all talk; or you are not doing anything to help these needy people; and if you are, then nobody in their right mind is listening to you since reasonable people think about the consequences of letting in millions of outsiders in, which you don't"You have a very childish and uninformed view of the world if you think that Syria is the only war torn country in the world. If you believe that I am personally responsible for the number of refugees in the UK, then you must be personally responsible for the number of refugees in Germany. I would hazard a guess that I do more to help refugees than you do. | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions" Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? " exactly, just another way to attempt to silence people with different views | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?
Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
Are we going to discuss the reason for Germany taking immigrants and refugees? You know, the German demographics?
Nah, don't change the subject
OK, I get it now. You keep on harking on about the poor migrants but either you haven't done anything to get those millions of poor souls into this country or if you have, then nobody is listening to you. That is about the gist of it
There is another possibility. There are millions of Syrian migrants already here but you have kept them hidden in your backyard
Right, so you dont want to discuss the fact that Germany NEEDS those people to keep its society going, you just want to say have they are all sex offenders
I wonder if you have ever considered your personal role in this? That perhaps Germany wouldn't need so many foreign workers if you had stayed? And I'm going to suggest that you are probably not a sex offender so it also would have been much safer for your fellow German citizens. I mean I'm a fan of immigration so I'm glad you are here paying taxes and being a customer for all sorts of companies, but obviously you see it from a different point of view.
First you answer my question and then I might answer yours
So far, you have been telling us all about your compassion and how these migrants from worn-torn Syria need to be helped because they are fleeing for their lives
But when asked why are you not helping them reach this country, you give very vague answers
Like I said. You are either just all talk; or you are not doing anything to help these needy people; and if you are, then nobody in their right mind is listening to you since reasonable people think about the consequences of letting in millions of outsiders in, which you don't
You have a very childish and uninformed view of the world if you think that Syria is the only war torn country in the world. If you believe that I am personally responsible for the number of refugees in the UK, then you must be personally responsible for the number of refugees in Germany. I would hazard a guess that I do more to help refugees than you do. "Listen to me. That is the kind of comments you always come up with when you can't give a straight answer. I asked you some very direct questions which you keep on side-stepping and hoping over Like I said; hot air, nothing else | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? " The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved? | |||
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" I think I missed those fake stories on RTL and ZDF. But I did watch several accounts from the women who were attacked in Cologne Because nothing bad happened in Germany before Muslims turned up, right?
Something bad happened everywhere at some point in history. And your point is?
Crime is a part of the human condition, it happens in every country, every religion, every society, every year.
To single out one group as if they are the only perpetrators is a fallacy, and also stops work towards eliminating the causes of crime in the first place.
They are now the major perpetrators of sexual assaults in Germany. And we don't have to accept that especially since we gave them protection and shelter. About time someone else took them in and see how they like it when women are afraid to walk out alone in their own country and where swimming pools now have to be segregated because of them
It sounds like you are blaming the communities that the perpetrators come from, rather than the perpetrators themselves. Do you also do that when the perpetrators are white Germans?
I am blaming those migrants and there are tens of thousands of them and not just a handful as you like to suggest
You take 5 or 6 million here and lets hear your reaction when your partner gets assaulted by them. Until that time, you are just talk and hot air
Only people who have been sexually assaulted can discuss it? How about murder? Who can talk about that?
If there are tens of thousands of sex offenders, then lock them up, dont send them to swimming pools.
I have a better solution. We send them to you and you take care of them
Foreigners out huh? That's your better solution is it? Is it your final solution?
You do like to point out the most extreme cases in distant history as if these happened yesterday, don't you. Other than that, you never say anything sensible
I'm just saying that your rhetoric, along with many others is very similar to that of the 1930s. I didn't know why people would want to go back to those times.
There you go again. You are so predictable with your comments
If you so strongly believe in letting millions of migrants in, then why aren't you doing something about it?
You mean something like a trustee for a charity that helps refugees? Maybe something like that?
No, no, no; I mean demonstrating against your government to allow million of refugees in
Do that and then come back when you have succeeded and there are 3 or 4 million additional migrants from Syria in this country over the next 3 or 4 years. Then I will have to take you seriously. Until then, it is all just bravado and talk from you
Right, so practical things don't count then? How about talking about the issues with the Foreign Secretary, does that count? Or is it just the sign waving that counts?
OK, so what was the result of your humongous efforts? Where are those millions of migrants from Syria?
Or did you get the wrong country and petitioned for them to be sent to Germany instead? If that was the case, then it worked!
Why do they have to be from Syria? Do you know the difference between the words migrants, immigrants, refugees asylum seekers and IDPs?
Yes, I do know the words. But you are the one who keeps on harking on about the worn-torn areas of the world and how you would take in each and every one of them since their lives are in danger
So tell me; how many millions has your government taken in? And if they haven't taken the millions who are fleeing for their lives, then what have you been doing about it? Why aren't your efforts succeeding? Is it because you can't convince anyone?
Let's put it this way, I'm doing a lot more about it than you are
Why aren't your efforts in getting people thrown out of Germany working can't you convince anyone?
Are we going to discuss the reason for Germany taking immigrants and refugees? You know, the German demographics?
Nah, don't change the subject
OK, I get it now. You keep on harking on about the poor migrants but either you haven't done anything to get those millions of poor souls into this country or if you have, then nobody is listening to you. That is about the gist of it
There is another possibility. There are millions of Syrian migrants already here but you have kept them hidden in your backyard
Right, so you dont want to discuss the fact that Germany NEEDS those people to keep its society going, you just want to say have they are all sex offenders
I wonder if you have ever considered your personal role in this? That perhaps Germany wouldn't need so many foreign workers if you had stayed? And I'm going to suggest that you are probably not a sex offender so it also would have been much safer for your fellow German citizens. I mean I'm a fan of immigration so I'm glad you are here paying taxes and being a customer for all sorts of companies, but obviously you see it from a different point of view.
First you answer my question and then I might answer yours
So far, you have been telling us all about your compassion and how these migrants from worn-torn Syria need to be helped because they are fleeing for their lives
But when asked why are you not helping them reach this country, you give very vague answers
Like I said. You are either just all talk; or you are not doing anything to help these needy people; and if you are, then nobody in their right mind is listening to you since reasonable people think about the consequences of letting in millions of outsiders in, which you don't"A good post. We should always consider the consequences of our actions . | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved?" Bullshit if you didnt care about immigrants from syria and other Muslim countries you wouldnt have posted.You want them out.You care about this issue .Just not enough to protest with a placard.Its a double edge sword.You ask us to march but cant be fucked youself.. Probably the must redunant argument ive seen here. | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved?Bullshit if you didnt care about immigrants from syria and other Muslim countries you wouldnt have posted.You want them out.You care about this issue .Just not enough to protest with a placard.Its a double edge sword.You ask us to march but cant be fucked youself.. Probably the must redunant argument ive seen here."Oh, I am getting f**ked alright. Maybe the lack thereof for you is causing such frustration for you, hence the aggressive stance
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved?" That's a copout, I'm afraid. I'm challenging your concept that to have an opinion you must have achieved something regarding it at a governmental policy level. Why do I have to apply this absurd challenge to my beliefs, but you don't have to for yours? It's kind of ridiculous to even have to have this conversation. | |||
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"I lost track of reading half the crap wrote on this thread lol. Anybody with half a brain can see the problems in Sweden, should we exaggerate them, no, but then we shouldnt bury are heads either!. Anybody in a right mind could see having Millions of Muslim refugees whove just come from a war zone would cause trouble" | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved? That's a copout, I'm afraid. I'm challenging your concept that to have an opinion you must have achieved something regarding it at a governmental policy level. Why do I have to apply this absurd challenge to my beliefs, but you don't have to for yours? It's kind of ridiculous to even have to have this conversation. " It is, isn't it; but I asked first so, the one who 'copped-out' first is, erm, you.
No different from CLCC then; he keeps on answering a direct question with another question. I have yet to read a direct response from him (I assume it is him and not her) to a direct question
I know you don't have an answer as there is no easy answer when people really haven't given any thought whatsoever to the problems of large-scale migration
I have heard all sorts of silly arguments about industrialised nations needing migrants to survive. What utter nonsence. Industraiised nations already have a large number of unskilled and semi-skilled labour which is unemployed largely due to automation
We can't even get our own people back into work, let alone give jobs to migrants. And what can a guy who doesn't even speak the language do? Shovel sh*t all day long replacing a machine which can do the job a hundred times faster and more effectively? And if that is what is required (sh*t-shovelling) then give that job to the already unemployed here
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved? That's a copout, I'm afraid. I'm challenging your concept that to have an opinion you must have achieved something regarding it at a governmental policy level. Why do I have to apply this absurd challenge to my beliefs, but you don't have to for yours? It's kind of ridiculous to even have to have this conversation. It is, isn't it; but I asked first so, the one who 'copped-out' first is, erm, you.
No different from CLCC then; he keeps on answering a direct question with another question. I have yet to read a direct response from him (I assume it is him and not her) to a direct question
I know you don't have an answer as there is no easy answer when people really haven't given any thought whatsoever to the problems of large-scale migration
I have heard all sorts of silly arguments about industrialised nations needing migrants to survive. What utter nonsence. Industraiised nations already have a large number of unskilled and semi-skilled labour which is unemployed largely due to automation
We can't even get our own people back into work, let alone give jobs to migrants. And what can a guy who doesn't even speak the language do? Shovel sh*t all day long replacing a machine which can do the job a hundred times faster and more effectively? And if that is what is required (sh*t-shovelling) then give that job to the already unemployed here
These kind of scare-tactics that migrants are needed for Western European nations to survive shows that people making such arguments are talking complete nonsense "You persist in discussing a different point to that which was in the previous post, so I'll make this my last response to you as it is like talking to a confused child. We have not been debating what level of immigration is desirable. I have been refuting your silly notion that to have an opinion you must achieve something major regarding that field such as arranging for 3 million refugees to come to the US
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"I lost track of reading half the crap wrote on this thread lol. Anybody with half a brain can see the problems in Sweden, should we exaggerate them, no, but then we shouldnt bury are heads either!. Anybody in a right mind could see having Millions of Muslim refugees whove just come from a war zone would cause trouble" In the 70's when Amin kicked out the Ugandan Asian's and took all their property and business there was a similar we don't want them etc yet most of them just settled down and worked hard and several who had successful businesses there have also grown the same here.. Not all people who have been in conflict will be trouble, some will have lost everything and want to go home and some will go time integrate and start businesses and give birtht to future doctors etc.. Syria wasn't a basket case economy wise before the war started 6 years ago now.. Not saying that there are not problems etc especially given the current and recent upsurge in the far right of late, tarring one group has often been shown to be baseless and simply plain old racism.. Not all doctors are like Shipman. Not all in the media are like Saville but it seems somehow ok and perfectly logical to say all Syrians are trouble and all Muslims are terrorists.. We really are back in the dark ages with some thinking like that.. | |||
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"This thread got very silly, didn't it? Apparently an individual needs to have the ability to change government policy before they can have an opinion. This is going to put a lot of newspaper columnists out of jobs, for starters. Individuals *do* indeed change government policies. But they have to come up with workable solutions and not just with bleeding-heart emotions Yes, this is true. It had nothing to do with what you're doing, which is trying to get people to shut up unless they have achieved something. Are you against child abuse? Rape? Pick an issue you care about. What have you achieved? What campaigning have you done? What laws have you gotten changed? The issues I care about are not the topic of this thread. You have stated that the topic of this thread is the issue *you* care about So, what have you done about it and what have you achieved? That's a copout, I'm afraid. I'm challenging your concept that to have an opinion you must have achieved something regarding it at a governmental policy level. Why do I have to apply this absurd challenge to my beliefs, but you don't have to for yours? It's kind of ridiculous to even have to have this conversation. It is, isn't it; but I asked first so, the one who 'copped-out' first is, erm, you.
No different from CLCC then; he keeps on answering a direct question with another question. I have yet to read a direct response from him (I assume it is him and not her) to a direct question
I know you don't have an answer as there is no easy answer when people really haven't given any thought whatsoever to the problems of large-scale migration
I have heard all sorts of silly arguments about industrialised nations needing migrants to survive. What utter nonsence. Industraiised nations already have a large number of unskilled and semi-skilled labour which is unemployed largely due to automation
We can't even get our own people back into work, let alone give jobs to migrants. And what can a guy who doesn't even speak the language do? Shovel sh*t all day long replacing a machine which can do the job a hundred times faster and more effectively? And if that is what is required (sh*t-shovelling) then give that job to the already unemployed here
These kind of scare-tactics that migrants are needed for Western European nations to survive shows that people making such arguments are talking complete nonsense
You persist in discussing a different point to that which was in the previous post, so I'll make this my last response to you as it is like talking to a confused child.
We have not been debating what level of immigration is desirable.
I have been refuting your silly notion that to have an opinion you must achieve something major regarding that field such as arranging for 3 million refugees to come to the US
I shall take it by the fact you cannot hold yourself to that same standard, that you know it is a silly one. "I did not feel that I needed to insult by calling you a confused child, even though that is what I thought all along. But the moment someone stoops down to that level, they have lost the argument and are now just thrashing about frantically
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