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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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2 weeks to go. A test in the alt right movement.
Who will win the popular vote?
Who will win the most seats?
Who will be prime minister?
How many will form a coalition?
My answer.
VVD - liberal conservative party
PVV - hate to say it.
VVD - Geert will fail to form a coalition
4 party coalition.
It's going to be a battle of classes. Both the labour and conservative ignored them and helped the upper class. It's a shame they're a minority.
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"It does not get covered much in this country so cannot hold any opinion"
From what I've learned looking into it, Geert Wilders will get the highest vote but other parties will form a coalition to keep him out. |
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"It does not get covered much in this country so cannot hold any opinion
From what I've learned looking into it, Geert Wilders will get the highest vote but other parties will form a coalition to keep him out. "
This would appear to be the case although this would lead to an unstable, short lived, coalition government. Another upset is possible if recent events are anything to go by. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Latest polls drops Geert Wilders from 24% to 10% and to 4th place. Groenlinks or green party is leading with 14%.
It's crappy because it looks like a 4 party coalition depending on the seats won. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My money is on some Dutch bloke winning it. That is about the extent of my knowledge of Dutch politics, oh and one guy has really shit hair!  "
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Yes thats my prediction as well, if bobby Charlton ran for pm hed probably get in to  |
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"Saw the express also put out results of a different poll on number of seats. Rutte is leading with Wilders there. At about 20%
I don't think anyone believes polls any more. "
It's not the polls that are wrong, It's the media's interpretation of them. They all come with a 4% point margin of error and all the so called unexpected results have been well within that margin. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Still neck and neck according to Dutch polls. But a shrewd pre-election move by Rutte to ban Erdogan's fascists from addressing fellow Turkish islamonazis in Rotterdam could tip it in Rutte's favour. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Still neck and neck according to Dutch polls. But a shrewd pre-election move by Rutte to ban Erdogan's fascists from addressing fellow Turkish islamonazis in Rotterdam could tip it in Rutte's favour. "
Agree. Smart move. But who will the coalition be? Won't know until it's done. |
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"Still neck and neck according to Dutch polls. But a shrewd pre-election move by Rutte to ban Erdogan's fascists from addressing fellow Turkish islamonazis in Rotterdam could tip it in Rutte's favour. "
Or the riots that followed in Rotterdam could be a fillip for Wilders. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Still neck and neck according to Dutch polls. But a shrewd pre-election move by Rutte to ban Erdogan's fascists from addressing fellow Turkish islamonazis in Rotterdam could tip it in Rutte's favour.
Or the riots that followed in Rotterdam could be a fillip for Wilders."
Or Rutte. Wilders didn't do anything. |
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"Still neck and neck according to Dutch polls. But a shrewd pre-election move by Rutte to ban Erdogan's fascists from addressing fellow Turkish islamonazis in Rotterdam could tip it in Rutte's favour.
Or the riots that followed in Rotterdam could be a fillip for Wilders.
Or Rutte. Wilders didn't do anything."
He didn't have to anything other than gloat. Knowing full well that muslims rioting in the streets plays right into his hands. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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The Turkish government are doing the Dutch no favours at the moment by inadvertently placing themselves in the election.... irony being the reason the Turks are there is because of their own referendum stripping powers from their parliament
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The Turkish government are doing the Dutch no favours at the moment by inadvertently placing themselves in the election.... irony being the reason the Turks are there is because of their own referendum stripping powers from their parliament
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I seem to remember the Turkish question being brought up in our referendum last year.
Since then, they've had a failed coup, a president trying to strip away parliamentary powers, a crackdown on freedoms and now a President using words like "nazi"
Not all European problems are so close to home! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"The Turkish government are doing the Dutch no favours at the moment by inadvertently placing themselves in the election.... irony being the reason the Turks are there is because of their own referendum stripping powers from their parliament
I seem to remember the Turkish question being brought up in our referendum last year.
Since then, they've had a failed coup, a president trying to strip away parliamentary powers, a crackdown on freedoms and now a President using words like "nazi"
Not all European problems are so close to home!"
Indeed... yet despite all that the leave campaign were adamant that Turkey would become an EU member all of a sudden (despite meeting only something like 1 out of 30 of the criteria needed) and we'd suddenly get the entirety of Turkey turn up on our doorstep.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I seem to remember the Turkish question being brought up in our referendum last year.
Since then, they've had a failed coup, a president trying to strip away parliamentary powers, a crackdown on freedoms and now a President using words like "nazi"
Not all European problems are so close to home!
Indeed... yet despite all that the leave campaign were adamant that Turkey would become an EU member all of a sudden (despite meeting only something like 1 out of 30 of the criteria needed) and we'd suddenly get the entirety of Turkey turn up on our doorstep.
-Matt"
It may alter the outcome. But what's strange is no-one talks about politics in the open here. Well they don't say who they vote for.
There is a party for pensioners and a party for people who don't want to vote. The MPs for that party will not vote for anything in government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Indeed... yet despite all that the leave campaign were adamant that Turkey would become an EU member all of a sudden (despite meeting only something like 1 out of 30 of the criteria needed) and we'd suddenly get the entirety of Turkey turn up on our doorstep.
-Matt"
Amazing how Greece magically met all the criteria for EU membership...thanks to some creative accounting from Goldman Sachs. And what does it tell you about EU 'Freedom of Movement' when Turkish fascists try to fly into Holland... in order to address DUTCH-BASED Turkish fascists!?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Indeed... yet despite all that the leave campaign were adamant that Turkey would become an EU member all of a sudden (despite meeting only something like 1 out of 30 of the criteria needed) and we'd suddenly get the entirety of Turkey turn up on our doorstep.
-Matt
Amazing how Greece magically met all the criteria for EU membership...thanks to some creative accounting from Goldman Sachs. And what does it tell you about EU 'Freedom of Movement' when Turkish fascists try to fly into Holland... in order to address DUTCH-BASED Turkish fascists!?
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You're obviously well informed about freedom of movement in the EU  , actually if you cant even understand the vocabulary and terms used, you are going to be unable to have a meaningful discussion about the issues. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Amazing how Greece magically met all the criteria for EU membership...thanks to some creative accounting from Goldman Sachs. And what does it tell you about EU 'Freedom of Movement' when Turkish fascists try to fly into Holland... in order to address DUTCH-BASED Turkish fascists!?
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erm.... no...... the turkish government wanted to go to the netherlands... and by the way also germany... and france ...and denmark ...and switzerland, and austria, because turkish citizens outside of the country are allowed to vote....
just like when the french leaders came to london the other week to court french citizens to vote in their presidential election....
and if you think uk parties haven't gone to spain... or portugal... or south africa in the past to get citizens who happen to live there to vote back here.... (and they have!!!) then you are deluded..... |
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"Still neck and neck according to Dutch polls. But a shrewd pre-election move by Rutte to ban Erdogan's fascists from addressing fellow Turkish islamonazis in Rotterdam could tip it in Rutte's favour.
Or the riots that followed in Rotterdam could be a fillip for Wilders.
Or Rutte. Wilders didn't do anything.
He didn't have to anything other than gloat. Knowing full well that muslims rioting in the streets plays right into his hands."
There was a televised debate between Wilders and Rutte the other night in Netherlands. There were clips of it shown on BBC Newsnight last night. Even if Wilders loses this election he has won in many ways because he has shifted the political centre of gravity and the other parties over to the right more in line with his agenda. The other parties are having to do this just to stay in touching distance of him. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Amazing how Greece magically met all the criteria for EU membership...thanks to some creative accounting from Goldman Sachs. And what does it tell you about EU 'Freedom of Movement' when Turkish fascists try to fly into Holland... in order to address DUTCH-BASED Turkish fascists!?
erm.... no...... the turkish government wanted to go to the netherlands... and by the way also germany... and france ...and denmark ...and switzerland, and austria, because turkish citizens outside of the country are allowed to vote....
just like when the french leaders came to london the other week to court french citizens to vote in their presidential election....
and if you think uk parties haven't gone to spain... or portugal... or south africa in the past to get citizens who happen to live there to vote back here.... (and they have!!!) then you are deluded....."
Oh really...so you agree with Erdogan that the Dutch are Nazis!
Well, as expected lots of clearly open support for rioting Turkish fascists and fascist MPs on this thread. Must be their admiration for Erdogan's torture methods on his political opponents, the slaughter of hundreds of Kurds in the SE of the country (condemned by the UN only days ago) and of course Turkey's genocide of at least a million Armenians.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Amazing how Greece magically met all the criteria for EU membership...thanks to some creative accounting from Goldman Sachs. And what does it tell you about EU 'Freedom of Movement' when Turkish fascists try to fly into Holland... in order to address DUTCH-BASED Turkish fascists!?
erm.... no...... the turkish government wanted to go to the netherlands... and by the way also germany... and france ...and denmark ...and switzerland, and austria, because turkish citizens outside of the country are allowed to vote....
just like when the french leaders came to london the other week to court french citizens to vote in their presidential election....
and if you think uk parties haven't gone to spain... or portugal... or south africa in the past to get citizens who happen to live there to vote back here.... (and they have!!!) then you are deluded.....
Oh really...so you agree with Erdogan that the Dutch are Nazis!
Well, as expected lots of clearly open support for rioting Turkish fascists and fascist MPs on this thread. Must be their admiration for Erdogan's torture methods on his political opponents, the slaughter of hundreds of Kurds in the SE of the country (condemned by the UN only days ago) and of course Turkey's genocide of at least a million Armenians.
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do i agree with erodgan when the laid the charge that the dutch were being "nazi like"... nope!!! just like i didn't agree with erdogan when he laid the same charge at merkel and the german government a few days before...
i absolutely have problems with erdogan, and the irony that he is laying the charges to these countries that they are not helping in the democratic process, especially when he is curtailing the same democracy back in turkey
erdogan is turning more and more into putin and that should worry everyone..... hes paranoid and spits out his dummy when he doesn't get what he wants
all the different meetings the turkish government have had on this particular issue have been open to everyone, I just have a huge issue that you decided to call people who went to listen to their arguements "facists"
that doesn't take the circumstances into consideration..... |
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Amazing how Greece magically met all the criteria for EU membership...thanks to some creative accounting from Goldman Sachs. And what does it tell you about EU 'Freedom of Movement' when Turkish fascists try to fly into Holland... in order to address DUTCH-BASED Turkish fascists!?
erm.... no...... the turkish government wanted to go to the netherlands... and by the way also germany... and france ...and denmark ...and switzerland, and austria, because turkish citizens outside of the country are allowed to vote....
just like when the french leaders came to london the other week to court french citizens to vote in their presidential election....
and if you think uk parties haven't gone to spain... or portugal... or south africa in the past to get citizens who happen to live there to vote back here.... (and they have!!!) then you are deluded.....
Oh really...so you agree with Erdogan that the Dutch are Nazis!
Well, as expected lots of clearly open support for rioting Turkish fascists and fascist MPs on this thread. Must be their admiration for Erdogan's torture methods on his political opponents, the slaughter of hundreds of Kurds in the SE of the country (condemned by the UN only days ago) and of course Turkey's genocide of at least a million Armenians.
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At no point did he say he agreed with Erdogan or that the Dutch were Nazis.
Your reply has nothing to do with his post. |
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Wilder support has tanked.
He was only polling 15-20% at best and no-one wanted to work with him, so it was actually always a fair rejection of the dutch Paul Nuttall and his racist right wing views by 80% of their electorate.
But the latest poll shows he is back to his 10% 2010 level of support.
Netherlands, I&O poll:
VVD-ALDE: 18% ?
GL-GREEN: 13% ?
D66-ALDE: 13% ?
CDA-EPP: 12% ?
PVV-ENF: 10% ?
SP-LEFT: 9%...
ha ha.
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"Wilder support has tanked.
He was only polling 15-20% at best and no-one wanted to work with him, so it was actually always a fair rejection of the dutch Paul Nuttall and his racist right wing views by 80% of their electorate.
But the latest poll shows he is back to his 10% 2010 level of support.
Netherlands, I&O poll:
VVD-ALDE: 18% ?
GL-GREEN: 13% ?
D66-ALDE: 13% ?
CDA-EPP: 12% ?
PVV-ENF: 10% ?
SP-LEFT: 9%...
ha ha.
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I thought you would have learned your lessons from trusting the polls from the UK general election, the EU referendum and the USA Presidential election, but it appears you've learned nothing.  |
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Maybe.
I also said that we on the decent left and centre had been complacent and outmaneuvered but the fight back was coming.
Then I think you said Nuttall was a shoe in for Stoke and I tentatively questioned that.
How did that one go?
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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Then I think you said Nuttall was a shoe in for Stoke and I tentatively questioned that.
How did that one go?
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Is Paul Nuttall the first guy that ran the sub four minute mile or was he the guy that captained 1966 England team? Something vaguely familiar about that name.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I learnt something new. Wilders and Rutte were in a coalition government before. He resigned because of Wilders. Formed a new government without Wilders.
Counting down. 11pm will reveal the exit polls. May not know until next week. |
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"I learnt something new. Wilders and Rutte were in a coalition government before. He resigned because of Wilders. Formed a new government without Wilders.
Counting down. 11pm will reveal the exit polls. May not know until next week."
No wonder he resigned: Wilders is a lazy Buffon who love to take credit from other's job. |
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It looks like a very high turnout. 100% in one university constituency. That would usually work against the rwnj's.
However, there were a lot of undecideds so they could go Wilders. Recent history in the UK and US has seen late swings to the Right on those making their mind up last minute.
Very interesting. Come on Holland, lead the way in opposing the the dangerous Right. The US and ourselves have largely taken things for granted, lets hope you have woken up to the danger. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Then I think you said Nuttall was a shoe in for Stoke and I tentatively questioned that.
How did that one go?
Is Paul Nuttall the first guy that ran the sub four minute mile or was he the guy that captained 1966 England team? Something vaguely familiar about that name.
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First man on the moon. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"It looks like a very high turnout. 100% in one university constituency. That would usually work against the rwnj's.
However, there were a lot of undecideds so they could go Wilders. Recent history in the UK and US has seen late swings to the Right on those making their mind up last minute.
Very interesting. Come on Holland, lead the way in opposing the the dangerous Right. The US and ourselves have largely taken things for granted, lets hope you have woken up to the danger."
100%  what is this, Zimbabwe?  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Maybe.
I also said that we on the decent left and centre had been complacent and outmaneuvered but the fight back was coming.
Then I think you said Nuttall was a shoe in for Stoke and I tentatively questioned that.
How did that one go?
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And how about the Austrian election? |
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"Wilder support has tanked.
He was only polling 15-20% at best and no-one wanted to work with him, so it was actually always a fair rejection of the dutch Paul Nuttall and his racist right wing views by 80% of their electorate.
But the latest poll shows he is back to his 10% 2010 level of support.
Netherlands, I&O poll:
VVD-ALDE: 18% ?
GL-GREEN: 13% ?
D66-ALDE: 13% ?
CDA-EPP: 12% ?
PVV-ENF: 10% ?
SP-LEFT: 9%...
ha ha.
I thought you would have learned your lessons from trusting the polls from the UK general election, the EU referendum and the USA Presidential election, but it appears you've learned nothing. "
Thought I already explained to you this week that the polls for the general election were actually right. They got the popular vote exactly right and the states were all in their stated margin of error.
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
YouGov was also very good with the Brexit poll and the result was within their margin of error too.
You cant treat every poll as equal, some are better than others.
But Im sure you'll ignore this and still keep saying polls you dont like cant be trusted for ever more. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is the EU collapsing at 11pm then?
Don't forget that they're an hour ahead.
Not for me. "
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Benelux countries should all run on Greenwich time along with France and Spain, i think theres only Portugal that does though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Looks like cohesion, liberalism and unity has defeated division, hate and bigotry.
Well done "
Still holding my breath. I mean Geert makes UKIP look like leftie luvies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"while he himself looks like an explosion in a matress factory "
Me mam saw him on TV and was trying to work out if he dyed his hair or was just really grey.
Then she refered to him as 'the prat who looks like he was in American psycho.' |
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"election latest .... the Jessiah has given turd wilders a fucking good kicking with massive gains by the green left over the alt-reich's sorry arse "
The Green left gains have come at the expense of the centre left Dutch Labour party, who have been all but wiped out, lol.
Who is the Dutch Jeremy Corbyn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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more news .... a landslide from the pvv toward the jessiah and the left wingers ..... an utter drubbing for the fascists who are now bottom of the tally |
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Looks like a good solid 2nd place for Wilders increasing his vote and number of seats from the last Dutch election. Wilders has also forced the mainstream centre right Conservative party to shift more to the right, so that is also a win for him. The 3rd place party, Christian Democrats are also a party on the right. The left are falling by the way side yet again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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looks like the CDa are the third largest party and in any case, all the parties have said they won't work with wack-job wilders..... the people have spoken and it's a resounding "Nazi pigs ... Fuck Off!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJUuxouy1Fg
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"yet more news .... a solid win for the green left, in amsterdam this time ..... turd wilders? bottom again! he's getting hammered by the left tonight!
So wilders has done what CandM would call pulling a blinder then! "
Yes Wilders has played a blinder. The winning party and Mark Rutte have shifted more to the right because of Wilders. Rutte had to take a Wilders style stance on immigration to win, and looks like Rutte is going to be the runaway victor by a country mile. Even though Rutte tried to steal Wilders thunder and copy Wilders in many ways, Wilders looks like he will still come in 2nd place and has increased his number of seats from the last Dutch election. Wilders has shifted the political centre of gravity more to the right no one can deny he has shaped the political landscape now in Netherlands. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was hoping for some actual sense instead i got two kids calling each other names.
Reflection of Dutch politics?
pwy caniateir y joscyn yma  "
.da iawn byddwch yn ennill |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is this the look at me thread, is that was this forum is about now.
Why dont we just start a fuck kiss snog a Dutch political expert thread.
Ill go first, hey vilder gilder Glauber blubber boken zee frucker .
Flubber dubber oh look atz me teets anz ma peni |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"that*
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Aye, but you dont milk goats at midnight gone. Well not unless youre clueless
or llanfachraeth .... but then that's the same thing"
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This was fun but its late and ive got goats to milk at 4! Unlike you,
They aint gonna milk themselves |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"yet more news .... a solid win for the green left, in amsterdam this time ..... turd wilders? bottom again! he's getting hammered by the left tonight!
So wilders has done what CandM would call pulling a blinder then!
Yes Wilders has played a blinder. The winning party and Mark Rutte have shifted more to the right because of Wilders. Rutte had to take a Wilders style stance on immigration to win, and looks like Rutte is going to be the runaway victor by a country mile. Even though Rutte tried to steal Wilders thunder and copy Wilders in many ways, Wilders looks like he will still come in 2nd place and has increased his number of seats from the last Dutch election. Wilders has shifted the political centre of gravity more to the right no one can deny he has shaped the political landscape now in Netherlands. "
It's not a left right battle here. It's a globalist vs nationalist battle. Netherlands coalition has always been mixed. The green party made more gains than PVV. What does that say? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Wilders was dead in the water as soon as no one would work with him.
As one Dutch woman said, "I want my vote to count".
Wilders won't fade away though. A much stiffer test is on the way in France. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"yet more news .... a solid win for the green left, in amsterdam this time ..... turd wilders? bottom again! he's getting hammered by the left tonight!
So wilders has done what CandM would call pulling a blinder then!
Yes Wilders has played a blinder. The winning party and Mark Rutte have shifted more to the right because of Wilders. Rutte had to take a Wilders style stance on immigration to win, and looks like Rutte is going to be the runaway victor by a country mile. Even though Rutte tried to steal Wilders thunder and copy Wilders in many ways, Wilders looks like he will still come in 2nd place and has increased his number of seats from the last Dutch election. Wilders has shifted the political centre of gravity more to the right no one can deny he has shaped the political landscape now in Netherlands.
It's not a left right battle here. It's a globalist vs nationalist battle. Netherlands coalition has always been mixed. The green party made more gains than PVV. What does that say?"
The rise of the greens is very good news. I've been a green voter all my life.Our time has come! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"yet more news .... a solid win for the green left, in amsterdam this time ..... turd wilders? bottom again! he's getting hammered by the left tonight!
So wilders has done what CandM would call pulling a blinder then!
Yes Wilders has played a blinder. The winning party and Mark Rutte have shifted more to the right because of Wilders. Rutte had to take a Wilders style stance on immigration to win, and looks like Rutte is going to be the runaway victor by a country mile. Even though Rutte tried to steal Wilders thunder and copy Wilders in many ways, Wilders looks like he will still come in 2nd place and has increased his number of seats from the last Dutch election. Wilders has shifted the political centre of gravity more to the right no one can deny he has shaped the political landscape now in Netherlands.
It's not a left right battle here. It's a globalist vs nationalist battle. Netherlands coalition has always been mixed. The green party made more gains than PVV. What does that say?"
It says that people have had enough of the usual suspects and the 'liberal' establishment. That was the protest vote from people who felt they couldn't vote for Wilders. The same is happening in France where neither of the two favourite presidential candidates come from traditional parties |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun."
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and July |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun.
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and July"
Why?
I'm still looking for a clear logical step by step guide to Europe's collapse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun.
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and July"
Whats the far left been up to.? Why should i worry ? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun.
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and JulyWhats the far left been up to.? Why should i worry ?"
There's a huge debt payment due in July I believe. Analysts day that Greece will default, and it could mean the ECB requiring more austerity. I don't think that the Greeks can take any more. |
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun.
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and JulyWhats the far left been up to.? Why should i worry ?
There's a huge debt payment due in July I believe. Analysts day that Greece will default, and it could mean the ECB requiring more austerity. I don't think that the Greeks can take any more."
It’s Germany which is most exposed to Greece’s debt.They'll give them more time.Merkel is the EUs paymaster.
Would you say to someone to whom you lent a few thousand euros just to forget it or let them take a few more years to pay it off? |
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun."
Yes and people who are genuinely fed up with the status quo, are realising that an "extreme" protest vote can bite you on the arse!
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"yet more news .... a solid win for the green left, in amsterdam this time ..... turd wilders? bottom again! he's getting hammered by the left tonight!
So wilders has done what CandM would call pulling a blinder then!
Yes Wilders has played a blinder. The winning party and Mark Rutte have shifted more to the right because of Wilders. Rutte had to take a Wilders style stance on immigration to win, and looks like Rutte is going to be the runaway victor by a country mile. Even though Rutte tried to steal Wilders thunder and copy Wilders in many ways, Wilders looks like he will still come in 2nd place and has increased his number of seats from the last Dutch election. Wilders has shifted the political centre of gravity more to the right no one can deny he has shaped the political landscape now in Netherlands.
It's not a left right battle here. It's a globalist vs nationalist battle. Netherlands coalition has always been mixed. The green party made more gains than PVV. What does that say?
It says that people have had enough of the usual suspects and the 'liberal' establishment. That was the protest vote from people who felt they couldn't vote for Wilders. The same is happening in France where neither of the two favourite presidential candidates come from traditional parties"
It'll be a 'liberal' coalition. Most of the parties that won are the liberals. Who lost was the labour party that rules for many years. Green Left may not be considered. The coalition. They are a bit more radical voted by the young voters. |
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun.
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and JulyWhats the far left been up to.? Why should i worry ?
There's a huge debt payment due in July I believe. Analysts day that Greece will default, and it could mean the ECB requiring more austerity. I don't think that the Greeks can take any more.It’s Germany which is most exposed to Greece’s debt.They'll give them more time.Merkel is the EUs paymaster.
Would you say to someone to whom you lent a few thousand euros just to forget it or let them take a few more years to pay it off?"
You ever been to a bank? |
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"Has Europe collapsed yet? No the good and honest people rejected the foaming at the mouth right wing nationalists.The fight back has begun.
I think you need to be more worried about the Greek Left come June and JulyWhats the far left been up to.? Why should i worry ?
There's a huge debt payment due in July I believe. Analysts day that Greece will default, and it could mean the ECB requiring more austerity. I don't think that the Greeks can take any more.It’s Germany which is most exposed to Greece’s debt.They'll give them more time.Merkel is the EUs paymaster.
Would you say to someone to whom you lent a few thousand euros just to forget it or let them take a few more years to pay it off?
You ever been to a bank?"
Yeah they hate losing money.Theyll restructure the debt . |
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"Theyll restructure the debt . "
clearly ... they're now fulled exposed with the amount they loaned as a bail out and there are no assets to seize ... the greeks have played a blinder |
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"Theyll restructure the debt .
clearly ... they're now fulled exposed with the amount they loaned as a bail out and there are no assets to seize ... the greeks have played a blinder "
With a 35% increase in the suicide rate and 1 in 10 people in the greater Athens area using a soup kitchen every day, sure, blinder.  |
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"With a 35% increase in the suicide rate and 1 in 10 people in the greater Athens area using a soup kitchen every day, sure, blinder. "
the voice of socialism |
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"With a 35% increase in the suicide rate and 1 in 10 people in the greater Athens area using a soup kitchen every day, sure, blinder.
the voice of socialism "
No, the voice of reality |
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Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!). |
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"Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!)."
Have to live in hiding is the definition of winning at life? |
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"With a 35% increase in the suicide rate and 1 in 10 people in the greater Athens area using a soup kitchen every day, sure, blinder.
the voice of socialism
No, the voice of reality"
pmsl ... spare everyone your bleeding heart crocodile tears luv .... you've never given a fuck about the destitute on these forums before |
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"With a 35% increase in the suicide rate and 1 in 10 people in the greater Athens area using a soup kitchen every day, sure, blinder.
the voice of socialism
No, the voice of reality
pmsl ... spare everyone your bleeding heart crocodile tears luv .... you've never given a fuck about the destitute on these forums before "
Which destitute on these forums? |
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"Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!).
Have to live in hiding is the definition of winning at life? "
So what should he do, keep his mouth shut? |
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The biggest winner of the night was Jesse Klaver's Green Party, which tripled their presence in Parliament winning 14 seats, the same number as the Socialist Party. . |
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"The biggest winner of the night was Jesse Klaver's Green Party, which tripled their presence in Parliament winning 14 seats, the same number as the Socialist Party. ."
he's the guy to watch .... the jessiah shrewdly captured the youth vote which will increase in size year on year |
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"The biggest winner of the night was Jesse Klaver's Green Party, which tripled their presence in Parliament winning 14 seats, the same number as the Socialist Party. .
he's the guy to watch .... the jessiah shrewdly captured the youth vote which will increase in size year on year "
Hes like a Dutch Justin Trudeau .He is definitely a rising star.Jesse Klaver, the 30-year-old son of a Moroccan father and a mother of Indonesian descent.I bet the far right hate him.Hes got better hair than all the others... |
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"Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!)."
Not exactly. He was a part of the winning party before he split off. He just shifted right of the party and the only member of that party. Looking at his seats. Geert has less seats than he did 2 elections ago.
He's not growing he's going up and down. No clear pattern. |
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"The biggest winner of the night was Jesse Klaver's Green Party, which tripled their presence in Parliament winning 14 seats, the same number as the Socialist Party. .
he's the guy to watch .... the jessiah shrewdly captured the youth vote which will increase in size year on year Hes like a Dutch Justin Trudeau .He is definitely a rising star.Jesse Klaver, the 30-year-old son of a Moroccan father and a mother of Indonesian descent.I bet the far right hate him.Hes got better hair than all the others... "
He's huge with the youth. Both Utrecht and Amsterdam voted for green as a majority. So the shift may come in the next generation. |
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"The biggest winner of the night was Jesse Klaver's Green Party, which tripled their presence in Parliament winning 14 seats, the same number as the Socialist Party. .
he's the guy to watch .... the jessiah shrewdly captured the youth vote which will increase in size year on year Hes like a Dutch Justin Trudeau .He is definitely a rising star.Jesse Klaver, the 30-year-old son of a Moroccan father and a mother of Indonesian descent.I bet the far right hate him.Hes got better hair than all the others...
He's huge with the youth. Both Utrecht and Amsterdam voted for green as a majority. So the shift may come in the next generation. "
And he's young. |
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"Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!).
Not exactly. He was a part of the winning party before he split off. He just shifted right of the party and the only member of that party. Looking at his seats. Geert has less seats than he did 2 elections ago.
He's not growing he's going up and down. No clear pattern."
Wilders came 2nd overall. He increased his vote and his number of seats from before the election. He forced the winner Mark Rutte more to the right. Rutte released a statement in recent weeks telling immigrants to "act normal or leave the Netherlands", and he banned a delegation from Turkey entering the country. Rutte won on the back of doing these things so what does that tell you? |
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"Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!).
Not exactly. He was a part of the winning party before he split off. He just shifted right of the party and the only member of that party. Looking at his seats. Geert has less seats than he did 2 elections ago.
He's not growing he's going up and down. No clear pattern.
Wilders came 2nd overall. He increased his vote and his number of seats from before the election. He forced the winner Mark Rutte more to the right. Rutte released a statement in recent weeks telling immigrants to "act normal or leave the Netherlands", and he banned a delegation from Turkey entering the country. Rutte won on the back of doing these things so what does that tell you? "
You've not lived here have you? You're trying twist it into he's won.
In 2010 here had 25 seats and he was in the coalition.
In 2017 he has 20 seats and he won't be considered in the coalition. He has less power than he did in 2010.
Groenlinks a left party has grown significantly too.
I asked about the new coalition. They said it's a left coalition this year. Rutte may be leading. But there are three or four more parties joining.
Rutte hasn't shifted to the right. He's finally grew some balls. |
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"Bearing in mind that Wilders spends his life in hiding because of death threats from muslim nazi organisations like Al Queda I think he has done well.
With twenty seats he now has the second largest political party in the Netherlands (the UK's Liberal Democrats can only manage nine!).
Not exactly. He was a part of the winning party before he split off. He just shifted right of the party and the only member of that party. Looking at his seats. Geert has less seats than he did 2 elections ago.
He's not growing he's going up and down. No clear pattern.
Wilders came 2nd overall. He increased his vote and his number of seats from before the election. He forced the winner Mark Rutte more to the right. Rutte released a statement in recent weeks telling immigrants to "act normal or leave the Netherlands", and he banned a delegation from Turkey entering the country. Rutte won on the back of doing these things so what does that tell you? "
Read the Dutch version of what Rutte said. He said you have a choice. If you don't like it here you can leave. He didn't say get out. He was simply telling people to abide by the rules and laws. If not you can choose to leave.
Very Dutch, to be fair. They can be rude, in an honest way. Took me years to adapt. I'm less PC now but honest. More 'liberal' too. |
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