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"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive." no, its called giving in | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive." No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. | |||
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"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. " I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. | |||
 after all it's a simple matter to throw an induction loop around the whole place to stop any mobile signal getting out.
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"I never understood why mobiles work inside a prison after all it's a simple matter to throw an induction loop around the whole place to stop any mobile signal getting out.
"Probably because prison officers may need mobile phones in times of trouble.....  
Too easy | |||
"I never understood why mobiles work inside a prison after all it's a simple matter to throw an induction loop around the whole place to stop any mobile signal getting out.
"Agree the technology exists to block the mobile phone signals so they don't work inside a set perimeter, this should be put into place inside all prisons. As it is Prisoners can use mobile phones in prisons to continue with criminal behaviour in the outside world. If prisoners have working mobile phones they can still co-ordinate and organise criminal activity through the phone to the outside world and that is what has been happening in some cases. It's completely wrong and needs to be stamped out. | |||
"I never understood why mobiles work inside a prison after all it's a simple matter to throw an induction loop around the whole place to stop any mobile signal getting out.
Probably because prison officers may need mobile phones in times of trouble.....
Too easy "They are not allowed to have mobiles in work areas. They do have radios tho. | |||
"I never understood why mobiles work inside a prison after all it's a simple matter to throw an induction loop around the whole place to stop any mobile signal getting out.
Probably because prison officers may need mobile phones in times of trouble.....
Too easy "What happened to hitting a good old fashioned alarm button which sounds a siren and relays back to the nearest police station. Prisons are covered with cctv, so at the first sign of trouble a cctv operator can lock gates remotely or in the case of prison riots can use a landline phone to call for help. | |||
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*somewhere in Tunbridge Wells, a Daily Mail website comments regular nods enthusiastically*
Being serious, Shami seems to be a disappointment to many, including left-leaning snowflakes like me. | |||
"No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. " I find I have a number of issues with what you have said Centaur. Firstly, prisoners are not in prison to be punished. The punishment is the removal of freedom for a given time. Therefore all a prison is a warehouse to hold convicts while that time passes. Second: Prisoners do not have it 'too cushy'. If prison were as you describe the levels of mental illness, self harm and violence would not be as high as they are. Most prisons prisoners are locked up 2 and 3 to a cell that the Victorians considered provided enough space for a single person. The Victorians were not know for their enlightened treatment of prison inmates. The radios, TV's and games consuls are nothing more than tools used to attempt to occupy the minds of those incarcerated and therefore reduce the tensions and violence caused by having so many already antisocial people banged up 24 hours a day in such a confined space. With the turning of incarceration into a low cost private business for profit there can only be one successful business model, that is the one that piles prisoners high and cuts costs to a minimum while expanding the prison population to increase profits. The major costs in running a prison are staff and facilities. In order to reduce staff and facilities while incarcerating more in the same space prisoners must be locked in their cells for greater and greater periods. This is not my idea of 'cushy'! Third: Exactly how do you increase security and 'crack down' on smuggling when most prisons are now so badly understaffed that keeping order is constantly breaking down? How are you going to tighten up security when the purpose of most prisons now is profit to the exclusion of all other considerations? And before you contradict me on this I will ask you to give a little consideration to this... Why do you think Shaun Walmsley a drug dealer and convicted murderer sentenced to serve a minimum of 30 years for a violent murder in 2014 was being held in a category D (open) prison and was being transported to and from hospital in a taxi? I would suggest it is because cat D prisons are the most profitable and taxis are the cheapest method of transporting prisoners. Finally while you are fuming at my left wing measured response to your right wing tirade you may also like to give a little thought to this: The reduction of government by mass privatisation of all state functions has costs. They will not be born by the super rich and powerful who will always be insulated and profit from reductions in the state. They will however have massive effects on the vast majority of us and I expect that will include you and your family Centaur. | |||
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"What happened to hitting a good old fashioned alarm button which sounds a siren and relays back to the nearest police station. Prisons are covered with cctv, so at the first sign of trouble a cctv operator can lock gates remotely or in the case of prison riots can use a landline phone to call for help. " The contract for alarm buttons was given to Serco. The police station was closed down in 2010 and the police made redundant in the first round of austerity cuts. G4S got the contract to run the cctv system and in a cost cutting exercise centralised monitoring in cctv hub in India, unfortunately all their advisers are busy at the moment, you are 44 th in the queue, one of our advisers will be available shortly. Your call is important to us... Good morning sir I'm 'Daren' how can I help you today? You need to lock the prison gates... First I need to do an identity check, can you tell me the first and fifth letters of your password. Thank you, how can I help you today?... I'm sorry this is the cctv help centre, you need technical support, please hold while I transfer you... all our technical support advisers are busy... You are 82 in the queue... Your call is important to us... Good afternoon sir, I'm 'john' how can I help you today... | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there." Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item" If you had read the full post you'd understand that I said that they should have no personal luxuries beyond books/magazines, all of which can be searched. A TV and game console can be communal and provided by the prison, so no 'outside' job can be done on it. Heavens, have them as a good behaviour reward if you want. As for phones, as I said, allow them to have them - so long as the prison provides the phone, and so long as there is a system in place for the prison to monitor the texts and calls made. If anything this works in the law systems favour, you'd probably catch the odd thick pillock out when he tries to communicate with anyone he is affiliated with outside. As for phones being snuck in via carbon paper, that is a case of either prison officers not being thorough enough in their searching or alternatively, it's a case for a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously. | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. " Actually, I believe in prisoner rehabilitation, where the development of skills work and knowledge is a condition of their time incarcerated. I do not believe in prisoners being locked up 23hrs a day in their with nothing to do except playing video games or television or resorting to drugs. That is the failure of this current government, with its reduction of prison staff, the privatisation of probation services and the privatisation of state justice apparatus. If having access to a mobile phone which is monitored means that prisoners can have hope of positive rehabilitation to become productive members of society then so be it. Further conditions of mobile phone usage, not smart phones, the numbers they call are vetted and subject to review. Removal of phones if suspicion of illegal activity is uncovered. I think that absolutes fail, its the duty of those implementing change to be responsible in ensuring that the rules surrounding that change should ultimately be responsible to setting the conditions of usage. | |||
"What happened to hitting a good old fashioned alarm button which sounds a siren and relays back to the nearest police station. Prisons are covered with cctv, so at the first sign of trouble a cctv operator can lock gates remotely or in the case of prison riots can use a landline phone to call for help. The contract for alarm buttons was given to Serco. The police station was closed down in 2010 and the police made redundant in the first round of austerity cuts. G4S got the contract to run the cctv system and in a cost cutting exercise centralised monitoring in cctv hub in India, unfortunately all their advisers are busy at the moment, you are 44 th in the queue, one of our advisers will be available shortly. Your call is important to us... Good morning sir I'm 'Daren' how can I help you today? You need to lock the prison gates... First I need to do an identity check, can you tell me the first and fifth letters of your password. Thank you, how can I help you today?... I'm sorry this is the cctv help centre, you need technical support, please hold while I transfer you... all our technical support advisers are busy... You are 82 in the queue... Your call is important to us... Good afternoon sir, I'm 'john' how can I help you today... "  | |||
"No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I find I have a number of issues with what you have said Centaur. Firstly, prisoners are not in prison to be punished. The punishment is the removal of freedom for a given time. Therefore all a prison is a warehouse to hold convicts while that time passes. Second: Prisoners do not have it 'too cushy'. If prison were as you describe the levels of mental illness, self harm and violence would not be as high as they are. Most prisons prisoners are locked up 2 and 3 to a cell that the Victorians considered provided enough space for a single person. The Victorians were not know for their enlightened treatment of prison inmates. The radios, TV's and games consuls are nothing more than tools used to attempt to occupy the minds of those incarcerated and therefore reduce the tensions and violence caused by having so many already antisocial people banged up 24 hours a day in such a confined space. With the turning of incarceration into a low cost private business for profit there can only be one successful business model, that is the one that piles prisoners high and cuts costs to a minimum while expanding the prison population to increase profits. The major costs in running a prison are staff and facilities. In order to reduce staff and facilities while incarcerating more in the same space prisoners must be locked in their cells for greater and greater periods. This is not my idea of 'cushy'! Third: Exactly how do you increase security and 'crack down' on smuggling when most prisons are now so badly understaffed that keeping order is constantly breaking down? How are you going to tighten up security when the purpose of most prisons now is profit to the exclusion of all other considerations? And before you contradict me on this I will ask you to give a little consideration to this... Why do you think Shaun Walmsley a drug dealer and convicted murderer sentenced to serve a minimum of 30 years for a violent murder in 2014 was being held in a category D (open) prison and was being transported to and from hospital in a taxi? I would suggest it is because cat D prisons are the most profitable and taxis are the cheapest method of transporting prisoners. Finally while you are fuming at my left wing measured response to your right wing tirade you may also like to give a little thought to this: The reduction of government by mass privatisation of all state functions has costs. They will not be born by the super rich and powerful who will always be insulated and profit from reductions in the state. They will however have massive effects on the vast majority of us and I expect that will include you and your family Centaur." | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item If you had read the full post you'd understand that I said that they should have no personal luxuries beyond books/magazines, all of which can be searched. A TV and game console can be communal and provided by the prison, so no 'outside' job can be done on it. Heavens, have them as a good behaviour reward if you want. As for phones, as I said, allow them to have them - so long as the prison provides the phone, and so long as there is a system in place for the prison to monitor the texts and calls made. If anything this works in the law systems favour, you'd probably catch the odd thick pillock out when he tries to communicate with anyone he is affiliated with outside. As for phones being snuck in via carbon paper, that is a case of either prison officers not being thorough enough in their searching or alternatively, it's a case for a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously. " I do believe the "later" a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item If you had read the full post you'd understand that I said that they should have no personal luxuries beyond books/magazines, all of which can be searched. A TV and game console can be communal and provided by the prison, so no 'outside' job can be done on it. Heavens, have them as a good behaviour reward if you want. As for phones, as I said, allow them to have them - so long as the prison provides the phone, and so long as there is a system in place for the prison to monitor the texts and calls made. If anything this works in the law systems favour, you'd probably catch the odd thick pillock out when he tries to communicate with anyone he is affiliated with outside. As for phones being snuck in via carbon paper, that is a case of either prison officers not being thorough enough in their searching or alternatively, it's a case for a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously. I do believe the "later" a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously" That is fine, laws get adjusted as new problems arise. However the other side of the coin is that whilst prisons are there to enforce the law, and in part to keep people and property safe, prisons also have to be places of rehabilitation and reform. If you have someone who is drug dealing, because they are in a crap job and can't afford to live well, then their time in prison should provide them with an opportunity to learn a new skill or trade, so when out they don't cave in and resort to c criminal activity again. | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item If you had read the full post you'd understand that I said that they should have no personal luxuries beyond books/magazines, all of which can be searched. A TV and game console can be communal and provided by the prison, so no 'outside' job can be done on it. Heavens, have them as a good behaviour reward if you want. As for phones, as I said, allow them to have them - so long as the prison provides the phone, and so long as there is a system in place for the prison to monitor the texts and calls made. If anything this works in the law systems favour, you'd probably catch the odd thick pillock out when he tries to communicate with anyone he is affiliated with outside. As for phones being snuck in via carbon paper, that is a case of either prison officers not being thorough enough in their searching or alternatively, it's a case for a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously. I do believe the "later" a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously That is fine, laws get adjusted as new problems arise. However the other side of the coin is that whilst prisons are there to enforce the law, and in part to keep people and property safe, prisons also have to be places of rehabilitation and reform. If you have someone who is drug dealing, because they are in a crap job and can't afford to live well, then their time in prison should provide them with an opportunity to learn a new skill or trade, so when out they don't cave in and resort to c criminal activity again." you need to realise, some people are just born bad, pure and simple | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item If you had read the full post you'd understand that I said that they should have no personal luxuries beyond books/magazines, all of which can be searched. A TV and game console can be communal and provided by the prison, so no 'outside' job can be done on it. Heavens, have them as a good behaviour reward if you want. As for phones, as I said, allow them to have them - so long as the prison provides the phone, and so long as there is a system in place for the prison to monitor the texts and calls made. If anything this works in the law systems favour, you'd probably catch the odd thick pillock out when he tries to communicate with anyone he is affiliated with outside. As for phones being snuck in via carbon paper, that is a case of either prison officers not being thorough enough in their searching or alternatively, it's a case for a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously. I do believe the "later" a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously That is fine, laws get adjusted as new problems arise. However the other side of the coin is that whilst prisons are there to enforce the law, and in part to keep people and property safe, prisons also have to be places of rehabilitation and reform. If you have someone who is drug dealing, because they are in a crap job and can't afford to live well, then their time in prison should provide them with an opportunity to learn a new skill or trade, so when out they don't cave in and resort to c criminal activity again." Prisoners having mobile phones in prison allows them to continue to drug deal from behind bars. In fact is has already been found the be the case when mobile phones have been confiscated from Prisoners that is what they were using the phones for. God forbid for more serious offenders they could call a hit on someone in the outside world who may have had a hand in putting them behind bars, or testified against them in court. There is also a question of terrorism and offenders convicted of terrorist offences continuing to plot terrorist attacks from behind bars if they have access to mobile phones. In terms of rehabilitation prisoners already get access to a certain amount of phone calls each week from a landline in the prison which is monitored and that is how it should stay. | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. Actually, I believe in prisoner rehabilitation, where the development of skills work and knowledge is a condition of their time incarcerated. I do not believe in prisoners being locked up 23hrs a day in their with nothing to do except playing video games or television or resorting to drugs. That is the failure of this current government, with its reduction of prison staff, the privatisation of probation services and the privatisation of state justice apparatus. If having access to a mobile phone which is monitored means that prisoners can have hope of positive rehabilitation to become productive members of society then so be it. Further conditions of mobile phone usage, not smart phones, the numbers they call are vetted and subject to review. Removal of phones if suspicion of illegal activity is uncovered. I think that absolutes fail, its the duty of those implementing change to be responsible in ensuring that the rules surrounding that change should ultimately be responsible to setting the conditions of usage. " centaur i refer above | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive. No prisoners are there to be punished, when someone is in jail they don't have a god given right to get a mobile phone. Prisoners already have it far too cushy as it is with their games consoles and other luxuries. If mobile phones are being smuggled in then the Prison service need to crack down on it and tighten up security so it doesn't happen. Drugs are smuggled into Prisons, your attitude seems to be and logic would follow that prisoners should be issued drugs so it would be simple to monitor all their drug use. Standardise it and monitor it. Would you consider that progressive? Of course it's completely wrong and smuggled drugs into prison needs to be cracked down on and eliminated, the same principle applies to mobile phones. I agree on the games consoles and tv thing, and the drugs thing. Let them have a shared communal tv, and then some books to read. If there are addicts in there get a therapist in there. Mobile phones are wrapped in "Carbon Paper" this makes them invisible to the scanning detectors and they easily pass through Drugs are brought in - inside games consoles which believe it or not, cannot be opened and searched at random, Many on the outside will "pack" themselves full of drugs then smash a police window or wreck a police car just to be jailed, taking inside the drugs that are already "inside" them My mate is a prison officer and the ways used to get phones and drugs inside are beyond belief and prison officers do not have the right to search every item If you had read the full post you'd understand that I said that they should have no personal luxuries beyond books/magazines, all of which can be searched. A TV and game console can be communal and provided by the prison, so no 'outside' job can be done on it. Heavens, have them as a good behaviour reward if you want. As for phones, as I said, allow them to have them - so long as the prison provides the phone, and so long as there is a system in place for the prison to monitor the texts and calls made. If anything this works in the law systems favour, you'd probably catch the odd thick pillock out when he tries to communicate with anyone he is affiliated with outside. As for phones being snuck in via carbon paper, that is a case of either prison officers not being thorough enough in their searching or alternatively, it's a case for a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously. I do believe the "later" a reform of the law to allow officers to search more rigorously That is fine, laws get adjusted as new problems arise. However the other side of the coin is that whilst prisons are there to enforce the law, and in part to keep people and property safe, prisons also have to be places of rehabilitation and reform. If you have someone who is drug dealing, because they are in a crap job and can't afford to live well, then their time in prison should provide them with an opportunity to learn a new skill or trade, so when out they don't cave in and resort to c criminal activity again. you need to realise, some people are just born bad, pure and simple" I know some people are lost cause, eg, serial killers. But I refuse to accept that if you find a young man from a council estate or less than affluent family, with shit qualifications, who has resorted to dealing because he can't better himself and find a way back into the education or work system, that in prison he should not be given a chance to learn new skills and better himself for his release. What is your alternative? Punish them with prison for a few years, at the tax payers expense, then release them after their time is up, and hope that they magically get a better job? And yes, I know some people are very clever with their dealing, and know how to run a few regular circuits so that they earn more than the average lad or lass working a boring office job - those, who are at the top of a criminal ring, or those producing, should be punished more harshly. The poor sods who they pick up of the street cause they are desperate for money, should be punished and given a second chance to reform whilst in prison. | |||
"Well from recent reports most mobile phones used in prisons were smuggled in. If prisoners are issued phones, then it would be pretty simple to monitor all their communications. So standardise it then monitor it. It called being progressive." Fuck em take the phones off them the TVs and all other luxuries | |||
