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Trump banns 'false news' press

By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

So just over a month after taking office the Donald is banning (by the back door) any press who publish articles critical of him, while at the same time calling them "Enemies of the people" and demanding that all sources be named.

Do his fans here still think he is great? Or do you think restricting the press and forcing them to reveal sources, thus ensuring that no one dare become a whistle blower when they see corruption and wrongdoing in the corridors of power (like Mays 14 years in prison for journalists who publish anything the government here decides to make a state secret) is the way to go?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Trump being great or not is purely irrelevant (Obama was of course 'great' because he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize...after 11 days as President!?)...it's about objective news reporting, or used to be.

This is how the BBC headlined its online report in the last few days on Stockholm's Rinkeby riot in which immigrant drug dealers and hooligans burned cars, looted shops and attacked police and firemen: "Riots in Sweden days after Trump's immigration comments". The clear implication being that Trump caused the riot!?

The fact is of course that the BBC in general and its smug, arrogant prima donna Washington correspondents especially the likes of Jonny Diamond and Jon Sopel have stopped being reporters and instead become experts in sneering, openly-contemptuous, politically correct anti-Trump crap.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

It's a funny old world.

For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left.

Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs.

For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

He's only following Putin, false arrests and executions may be a step too far for the American people to accept..

He's a bully so it's not a surprise, he can't set his lawyers on them as in his business dealings so he's taken this route..

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

"Trump being great or not is purely irrelevant (Obama was of course 'great' because he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize...after 11 days as President!?)...it's about objective news reporting, or used to be.

So I take it your in favour of restricting the freedom of the press...

This of course leads me on to a few more questions:

If the press are to be limited and what they report subject to censorship, who should be doing the censoring? Should anyone have the right to challenge that censorship? And who will ensure that censorship is not used to cover up corruption and law breaking?

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

Nah its about time someone took these lying scum bags to task.

Think what you want but these people (news media/journalists) do literally make up/twist story's to suit their narrative and what they think will give them most ratings.

One example of this very recently is the you tuber guy pewdipie.

Some wall street journalist did a story on him that was completely twisted and manipulated...the rest of the media followed suit which led to Disney and you tube cancelling his shows he had with them.

In fact what am i saying...every time i switch on the news i take it with a pinch of salt because a good vast oroportation of it is BS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The press have always had their own agenda and have massive influence. Unfortunately there is an amazing amount of people unable to think for themselves who believe what they read and these are the ones they target. Although people will also only tend to believe what they want to believe. Trump probably thinks he can control the press but that is a big mistake. With the media the 'keep your enemies closer' principal has never been more apt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

"It's a funny old world.

For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left.

Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs.

For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment.

Firstly:

Not from me...

What you have herd from me is that the press should be held to account. If they commit crimes the owners, editors and journalists should be prosecuted and jailed if found guilty, if they defame someone they should be forced to pay and where they knowingly publish false stories they should loose all income generated in any publication that carries the story (that's the full retail sales value, the full advertising revenue and any other income) regardless of outgoings (drugs dealers cant claim expenses when they have their property seized as proceeds of crime).

Secondly:

This is not about a news outlet making up stories. This is about the President of The United States of America, restricting press access and therefore censoring the press which I am pretty sure violate the presses first amendment rights under the US constitution.

But, hey, he is right wing so I guess that's OK.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's a funny old world.

For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left.

Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs.

For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment.

Did you know that the Daily Mail were also one of the organisations barred from that Whitehouse briefing?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard."

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

"
Stalin I think !

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

Stalin I think !"

I don't know for certain, but it's unlikely to have been Stalin as he simply took over the reins of a despotic regime, rather than creating one like the others. There wasn't exactly much freedom of the press under Lenin.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

Stalin I think !

Ditto Putin

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

They tell the God-blessed holy Truth, don't you know?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

They tell the God-blessed holy Truth, don't you know? "
Alex jones of info wars(real news) will be invited in soon to to replace CNN. He speaks with trump on the phone regularly apparently .No doubt they are planning the apocalypse alex jones has been predicting to happen.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

They tell the God-blessed holy Truth, don't you know? "

Yep and with the Donald believing that God will protect America it's all err pretty feckin frightening ..

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"It's a funny old world.

For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left.

Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs.

For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment.

I am on the left and I have never heard anyone say to ban these papers. Better for people to see what they are made of ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

this censorship will come back and bite trump on the arse.... and soon

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

"this censorship will come back and bite trump on the arse.... and soon"

Are you hinting that it may be fuel for impeachment and eventual federal imprisonment?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

,,Spot on.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot.

Answers on a postcard.

The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..

Nice to see Time and AP declined the invitation to attend

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

good post

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

perhaps he picked up some tips from abama try some of these links

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-press-censorship-idUSKBN0FX19M20140728

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/...ump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html?_r=0

Strange how some of anti trumps didnt kick up a fuss over them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

good post

best and truest one on this thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think this war on the press is extremely troubling. The Bush and Obama admininstrations were also criticized for various issues with the press, of course, but what Trump is doing is definitely setting a dangerous precedent.

What I find even more troubling is that it isn't simply organizations critical of him and his policies that are being targeted. The Daily Mail was also refused an ivitation to the event. This is interesting, of course, when we consider Melania Trump's ongoing lawsuit against them for libel. Its another instance of Trump's personal affairs influencing the operation of the white house. I find it more worrying than barring unfriendly news organizations.

I remember when Obama wasn't having many press conferences. The news was all over him for it and many liberals who I know we're critical of him for it (I signed a petition against his lack of press conferences). The fact that so many people who are ideologically aligned with Trump don't see a problem with cherry-picking who can and can't be at press briefings scares me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If he soon starts burning papers from those who oppose him then I'd be worried.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx"

How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ? "

I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

if it was 'crap' any normal' person would not give it the time of day, it has in media jargon 'got legs' especially the links to Russia so by banning critical media all the donald is doing is saying there is something that you guys are writing that worries me..

its a knee jerk reaction by an out of his depth bully used to having no criticism of his affairs..

it will come back to haunt him big..

people have short memories, when the beeb reported Orgreave wrongly and were rightly condemned by the left for that the right were saying it was all ok for them to spin it 360..

try being objective if you are able to eh..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ?

I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else."

you personally know 2 or 3 out of 61,900,651

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ?

I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else.

you personally know 2 or 3 out of 61,900,651

So what? The other poster asked whether we have spoken to his supporters to know their feelings. I have. And I answered the query.

To suggest that 0 of those 61,900,651 are opposed to what he is doing with the press is even more preposterous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Indeed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt."
Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence."

But the vice president isn't the person who decides what gets taught in class so it isn't as worrying as it appears. The people who decide what goes in textbooks and the curriculum are the important people, and very often they aren't even well known.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence.

Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. "
Doesn't nancy devos the education Secretary and fundamentalist Christian say whats taught in class.If her faith shapes her policies—and there is evidence that it will,she could shape science education decisively for the worse.The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.She wants creationist bullshit taught along side evolution.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence.

Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. Doesn't nancy devos the education Secretary and fundamentalist Christian say whats taught in class.If her faith shapes her policies—and there is evidence that it will,she could shape science education decisively for the worse.The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.She wants creationist bullshit taught along side evolution. "

I think we've gotten pretty off topic from the OP, but...

What the Secretary of education thinks about evolution being taught in the classrooms isn't really as important as you'd think. The Secretary of education mostly deals with big trend issues in education. It was the reason why her stance on testing and graduation rates was so important, and so criticized.

The debate about evolution in US classrooms has been going on in the U.S. since evolution was first hypothesized. Over the past 20 years that debate has morphed into evolution vs creationism. It isnt new with this vice president or this secretary of education.

But what I keep trying to emphasize is the importance of state governments and administrations in public education in the US. It isnt like the UK, where things are highly centralized. Instead, in the U.S., state governments make their curriculums and decide most things (apart from very wide policy decisions). Someone in New York State will get a very different public school education than someone in Texas. Education has always been in the area of state sovereignty.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with this anti-evolution sentiment at the highest levels of the federal government. Of course there is. But what I'm saying is that it isn't new and that you can't focus on Pence and Devos and ignore the real dangers - residing mostly in state departments of education, textbook manufacturers, and the writers of school curriculums.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence.

Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. Doesn't nancy devos the education Secretary and fundamentalist Christian say whats taught in class.If her faith shapes her policies—and there is evidence that it will,she could shape science education decisively for the worse.The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.She wants creationist bullshit taught along side evolution.

I think we've gotten pretty off topic from the OP, but...

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

No news service should be barred,what is next cencorship!

Dawn raids,reporters locked up for saying the wrong thing!

It is all a bit scary,will we be told what to watch on our TV's?

If you think Trump is right then your either very innocent a Nazi or a communist,all frightening to me

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ?

I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else.

you personally know 2 or 3 out of 61,900,651

Many in the GOP are speaking out against his more ridiculous antics (God knows they have plenty to choose from)

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

I still find it incredible to discover that there are grown adults who are realising that the press has bias.

I'm sure I covered evaluating source material in history when I was about 12.

The bias, of course depends on the news organ. The Morning Star is Biased, just as the Daily Express is biased and all shades inbetween.

This is all part and parcel of freedom of the press - news organs in private ownership will be biased towards the interests of the owner (or board), state news organs will be biased towards the state.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

The Donald is a control freak. Does anybody doubt this? The Apprentice and his privately held company are his reality. It is not altogether surprising that he thinks this is alright.

May is a control freak in another way. How else did she stay in the Home Office seat,for so long.

The press should be free. If it lies, grossly misrepresents the truth or bullies it should be prosecuted by an INDEPENDENT judiciary. If not, then leave it alone, particularly if you're a government.in fact, the government should be doing quite the opposite.

There was a lot of support recently for the the judiciary here not being independent as it should do what "the people" wanted but the press should be "free" to gleefully tell us that a judge's sexuality impaired his ability to rule on a mater of constitutional law.

However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't.

So, the question is despite both these movements being apparently about getting "freedom", there seems to be a strong authoritarian streak which inherently does not tolerate any descent. Interesting paradox.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Donald is a control freak. Does anybody doubt this? The Apprentice and his privately held company are his reality. It is not altogether surprising that he thinks this is alright.

May is a control freak in another way. How else did she stay in the Home Office seat,for so long.

However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't.

both 'movemenus'

oh dear

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The Donald is a control freak. Does anybody doubt this? The Apprentice and his privately held company are his reality. It is not altogether surprising that he thinks this is alright.

May is a control freak in another way. How else did she stay in the Home Office seat,for so long.

However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't.

both 'movemenus'

oh dear

What does that mean?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Trump is happy to call the news industry fake news, when in actual fact he uses social media outlets like his own personal news outlet. So really if anyone should ban a outlet, you should be banning facebook and twitter, because users are not journalists, and facebook amd twitter are not reputable sources of information!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

You knew trump would break with tradition and not go to the whitehouse correspondents dinner party..... which is actually a shame because it promotes the good work that they do getting out information and it awards scholarship to young people who have shown talent wanting to go into journalism

The way they have distane for people reporting stories they don't agree with meant he would have ended being embarrassed by either giving them a chance to snub him, or him sitting thru the comedian to his face absolutely eviserating him in speech that followed his...

If they had booked a john Oliver or a Trevor Noah or a Stephen Colbert ( who did it to bush 2) it would have been car crash

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

From the Journal of Experimental Psychology an initial, small sample,study indicates that those who feel excluded remote likely to believe fake news stories as paDr of a narrative to explain their exclusion. The link is VERY reputable.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309198960_The_dark_side_of_meaning-making_How_social_exclusion_leads_to_superstitious_thinking

If you accept that the Donald has spent so long surrounded by sycophants that he can't understand why everyone doesn't love him then it's possible that being excluded from half of society does not compute for him so there must be a conspiracy...

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

He is just gaslighting, and it is getting quite crazy. Latest example:

On Fox & Friends, Herman Cain said that the media isn't reporting that Trump had reduced the debt by $12B in his first month, compared to Obama increasing it by $200B in his first month. This was something that some right wing website had come up with. Not that you could attribute the first month in office to either anyway, when they are likely paying for the last of their predecessor's month. But anyways...

Half an hour later Trump tweets "The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.".

So clearly 1) He is sitting their watching Fox and tweeting what he sees (evident by the 'Sweden' debacle). and 2) THAT IS THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REPORTING IT. Trump is tweeting that the media is not reporting on something that he found out about by watching the media!

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the "expert" from the swedish government that fox rolled out last week to comment on the tragic swedish "massacre" .... well turns out no-body in sweden knows who he is .... turns out he's just some random that did a masters degree in the uk with and then moved to japan .... turns out that fox stuck him in front of the camera and labelled him as the swedish defence and national security advisor .... turns out fox produce fake pundits to underpin their fake news ..... wow, who knew?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't.

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't.

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said"

That's fine if political views are broadly represented in the press at large and the actual information is properly sourced.

The audience also needs to search out different views and be critical of everything. That isn't necessarily the case now...

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said"

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?"

I do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

what you buy? are they still 20p

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is just gaslighting, and it is getting quite crazy. Latest example:

Half an hour later Trump tweets "The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.".

-Matt"

Just read about that gaslighting its a tool used by sociopaths and narcissits. I think trump can effectively be catagorised as both now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too

does that mean 60 million didnt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

what you buy? are they still 20p

no, not 20p.

I won't say what I buy because, based on this thread, I'd rather not be judged more than I already am

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too

And you 'buy' their paper by looking at it online as they get paid for eyeball on adverts. Which is why the tabloids get even more provocative and want to run any old bullshit (and as quick as they can regardless of facts) as they want your eyeballs on their story before it is elsewhere online.

-Matt

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

Do I buy papers every day? No but I have digital subscriptions to a few different news vendors. Good journalism costs money. The internet has destroyed newspapers inability to rely on advertising to cover costs

An independent free press is an essential part of a democracy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too

-Matt"

meanwhile in the news:

Farage enjoys "Dinner with The Donald."

whilst I sit back and read "the shooting times" (Magazine)

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news."

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque,

the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said

if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers.....

Does anyone still actually buy newspapers??

anyone?

I do.

An independent free press is an essential part of a democracy."

Even Bush agrees to independent press.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Most of the Republicans in the Senate and Congress agree with Bush on the need for a free press. Trouble with Donald is he is simply not used to being challenged and his course of action till now will not stop the scrutiny..

He's only served to make a rod for his own back and this will plague and probably define his time in office..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump

and many Democrats quote they have more confidence

Trump is turning the haters to favour him

ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares."

It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump

and many Democrats quote they have more confidence

Trump is turning the haters to favour him

ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds"

was it a good speech for trump..... yep

was it a good speech in general... i don't thing it was.....

I think because of what we have seen in past we have ended up setting the bar a lot lower for trump... so compared to his other speeches it was a good speech...

the bit where he paid tribute to the navy seal killed in yemen was his best bit by a mile (although interestingly his family is split on reaction to the raid... his mother and father have attacked trump for authorising the botched raid)

i hated the way he demonised immigrants... his bit on law on order went straight back to focusing on nothing but immigrants

i shared the same audible groan you heard when he announced the VOICE taskforce as it was a missed oppotunitiy to look at ALL violence like the shooting of the indian resident and his colleague in kansas at the weekend by a white extremist shouted "go back to your own country" thinking they were iranian

this administration looks at act done by immigrants or muslims and turns a blind eye to everything else!

the healthcare proposal he spoke of last night was not the same one he spoke of during the election....

how he is going to balance the books between increased defence spending, huge infructure spending and cutting the top peoples taxes is going to send the debt into overdrive

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump

and many Democrats quote they have more confidence

Trump is turning the haters to favour him

ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds

was it a good speech for trump..... yep

was it a good speech in general... i don't thing it was.....

I think because of what we have seen in past we have ended up setting the bar a lot lower for trump... so compared to his other speeches it was a good speech...

i hated the way he demonised immigrants... his bit on law on order went straight back to focusing on nothing but immigrants

this administration looks at act done by immigrants or muslims and turns a blind eye to everything else!

the healthcare proposal he spoke of last night was not the same one he spoke of during the election....

how he is going to balance the books between increased defence spending, huge infructure spending and cutting the top peoples taxes is going to send the debt into overdrive"

But what he said during the campaign on economics made no sense, I believe one analysis of his campaign promises had him cutting the federal budget by 98%!

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares.

It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist

I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares.

It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist

I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?

I'm rolling with the thread.

I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares.

It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist

I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?

I'm rolling with the thread.

I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would

Haha, ah well, I might not then - I'm more into a random smorgasbord of attitudes!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares.

It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist

I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?

I'm rolling with the thread.

I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would

Haha, ah well, I might not then - I'm more into a random smorgasbord of attitudes!

This feels like nerdy flirting

I am being facetious. It is structured but provides topical, and random, stories with a range of views.

Like many things, considering that we're on Fab, you'd be surprised at what it turns out you enjoy once you try it

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"The Week. It's a digest.

Worth a read.

There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news.

I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares.

It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist

I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?

I'm rolling with the thread.

I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would

Haha, ah well, I might not then - I'm more into a random smorgasbord of attitudes!

This feels like nerdy flirting

I am being facetious. It is structured but provides topical, and random, stories with a range of views.

Like many things, considering that we're on Fab, you'd be surprised at what it turns out you enjoy once you try it

Yes, I must try and actually read the sample copy I pinched from a friend.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up. "

Joke of the week.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The 'news' can only be as impartial as the person presenting it. Even the robot/algorithms that present 'news' feed you the preference that has been evidenced for you.

Most news is presented as a story. Cold, hard facts bore people.

The best you can do is read a range of sources, seek them out and don't rely on them being presented to you. Jimi has consistently stated that he learned about news bias at about 11, as did most of us if we were paying attention.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Bless. Poor misunderstood, bullied, defenceless Trumpy Wumpy

Do the right wing "news" agencies that back him and provide him with information for his Tweets, in preference to his national intelligence agencies, report in an unbiased "professional" manner?

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By *anes HubbyCouple over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump

and many Democrats quote they have more confidence

Trump is turning the haters to favour him

ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds"

Congratulations on winning the most ridiculous post of the week prize......it's a butt plug from Lovehoney.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

it can only influence if you allow it..

whats with your profile name..?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

OK Hitler!

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