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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Latest "English" I.S. suicide bomber to die in Mosul.
Previously captured in Pakistan fighting for the Taliban. Taken by the US to Guantanamo (obviously). UK government campaigned to have him released and sent back here (got to ask why we want a convicted terrorist here?).
Two years in gitmo and he does indeed come back....and our government give him £1 million in "compensation" (for what exactly??).
Then he and his money disappear.... through Turkey and into Syria and Iraq to join I.S.
Is it me? Am I the only one who wonders how the feck things like this can happen......?
Anyone here able to explain? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Latest "English" I.S. suicide bomber to die in Mosul.
Previously captured in Pakistan fighting for the Taliban. Taken by the US to Guantanamo (obviously). UK government campaigned to have him released and sent back here (got to ask why we want a convicted terrorist here?).
Two years in gitmo and he does indeed come back....and our government give him £1 million in "compensation" (for what exactly??).
Then he and his money disappear.... through Turkey and into Syria and Iraq to join I.S.
Is it me? Am I the only one who wonders how the feck things like this can happen......?
Anyone here able to explain?"
nope, not just you, I thought same when it was plastered over all news channels this morning, even if compensation is justified, £1 million !!!!
takes us 10 years or more to earn that and we pay 40% tax on top |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's probably a very messy one to sift through, i have no idea what evidence the US had on him for his "crimes" to start with.
He was either guilty at the time of being a member of a terrorist organisation or just an innocent bystander unfairly treated by the west which ultimately led to his radicalisation
Arguments for both sides will probably go on for ever more
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just shows how stupid these people are! Any normal thinking person would have took the million and gone away and had a nice life somewhere 
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perhaps brain washed, or fighting for what he believes, even though we do not believe in his cause
who knows, but regardless, that pay out was bloody high, good to see our tax going to shit use. |
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"Just shows how stupid these people are! Any normal thinking person would have took the million and gone away and had a nice life somewhere
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He took the million and then blew himself up in a suicide attack in the name of Islamic state. Nothing but scum, glad he's dead and no longer breathing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just shows how stupid these people are! Any normal thinking person would have took the million and gone away and had a nice life somewhere
He took the million and then blew himself up in a suicide attack in the name of Islamic state. Nothing but scum, glad he's dead and no longer breathing. "
thought when that happens he automatically gets 40 virgins in the next life  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just shows how stupid these people are! Any normal thinking person would have took the million and gone away and had a nice life somewhere
He took the million and then blew himself up in a suicide attack in the name of Islamic state. Nothing but scum, glad he's dead and no longer breathing.
thought when that happens he automatically gets 40 virgins in the next life "
No one told him it was 40 hairy arsed male virgins though  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just shows how stupid these people are! Any normal thinking person would have took the million and gone away and had a nice life somewhere
He took the million and then blew himself up in a suicide attack in the name of Islamic state. Nothing but scum, glad he's dead and no longer breathing.
thought when that happens he automatically gets 40 virgins in the next life "
Like I said stupid gullible people  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reports were that he was captured "fighting for the Taliban" in Pakistan.
I font know how much more terrorist you want?"
Reports ?"fighting for the Taliban" in Pakistan. nope...
Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler I presume you are on about.
Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler also known as Abu-Zakariya al-Britani
He traveled to Pakistan then by truck to Iran which was stopped when the truck passed near the Afghan border. Taliban guards, seeing his British passport, arrested him as a British spy.
American troops discovered Al-Harith among numerous foreigners held by the Taliban in jail in Kandahar and released him.
He was being aided by the Red Cross to make arrangements to return to Britain. They enabled him to call his family in Britain, whom he told he would be soon flying home. The Red Cross had arranged with the British embassy to fly him out from the American airbase to Kabul to meet the British representative.
But, Al-Harith was not allowed to leave Kabul because Americans had become suspicious about the purpose of his travels in the region. Not believing his explanations, they arrested him as a suspected enemy combatant and transported him to Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
The military held him there and interrogated him for more than two years without charges. He said he suffered "cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment"
That's what happened, not caught fighting for the Taliban in Pakistan.
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By (user no longer on site)
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So he has multiple names traveled to Pakistan then by truck to Iran which was stopped when the truck passed near the Afghan border.
Does not sound too suspicious then does it?
Security services are not stupid! What was he doing in a problem zone anyway ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So he has multiple names traveled to Pakistan then by truck to Iran which was stopped when the truck passed near the Afghan border.
Does not sound too suspicious then does it?
Security services are not stupid! What was he doing in a problem zone anyway ? "
1994 Fiddler converted to Islam and officially changed his name to Jamal Udeen Al-Harith which is quite common when someone converts to Islam.
So no, he didn't have mulitple names and he wasn't in a problem zone, he was in Pakistan traveling to Iran. |
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"The reports were that he was captured "fighting for the Taliban" in Pakistan.
I font know how much more terrorist you want?
Reports ?"fighting for the Taliban" in Pakistan. nope...
Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler I presume you are on about.
Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler also known as Abu-Zakariya al-Britani
He traveled to Pakistan then by truck to Iran which was stopped when the truck passed near the Afghan border. Taliban guards, seeing his British passport, arrested him as a British spy.
American troops discovered Al-Harith among numerous foreigners held by the Taliban in jail in Kandahar and released him.
He was being aided by the Red Cross to make arrangements to return to Britain. They enabled him to call his family in Britain, whom he told he would be soon flying home. The Red Cross had arranged with the British embassy to fly him out from the American airbase to Kabul to meet the British representative.
But, Al-Harith was not allowed to leave Kabul because Americans had become suspicious about the purpose of his travels in the region. Not believing his explanations, they arrested him as a suspected enemy combatant and transported him to Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
The military held him there and interrogated him for more than two years without charges. He said he suffered "cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment"
That's what happened, not caught fighting for the Taliban in Pakistan.
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That's verbatim from the BBC website but you did miss this bit out from the end of the story.
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US interrogators found that he gave useful information on the tactics used by the Taliban
Afzal Ashraf, a former counter-terrorism adviser to the United States in Iraq, told the BBC this incident demonstrated that "some of the people in Guantanamo Bay were up to no good".
"It also throws into question some of the organisations that were supporting him, that brought him back [from Guantanamo].
"Some of them were associated a little too closely with this radical ideology, and they use the legal system - freedoms of speech, the importance of the rule of law - in order to subvert some of our systems in the UK and elsewhere." |
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By (user no longer on site)
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That's verbatim from the BBC website but you did miss this bit out from the end of the story.
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I didn't get it from the BBC, no sign of that extra bit from what I've googled |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm not saying everyone in Guantanamo Bay is innocent or anything like that but keeping people held prisoner for 2 years or more with no charges brought against them is highly likely to help radicalise then against us ? |
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That's verbatim from the BBC website but you did miss this bit out from the end of the story.
I didn't get it from the BBC, no sign of that extra bit from what I've googled "
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39045923.
It was there lead story when I left for work this morning but it's since drifted into the back pages |
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"I'm not saying everyone in Guantanamo Bay is innocent or anything like that but keeping people held prisoner for 2 years or more with no charges brought against them is highly likely to help radicalise then against us ? "
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The ones who convert at a later stage in life seem to be the easiest ones to radicalise?.
Although there's plenty of life long belivers willing to go the extra mile as well |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"The reports were that he was captured "fighting for the Taliban" in Pakistan.
I font know how much more terrorist you want?
Reports ?"fighting for the Taliban" in Pakistan. nope...
Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler I presume you are on about.
Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler also known as Abu-Zakariya al-Britani
He traveled to Pakistan then by truck to Iran which was stopped when the truck passed near the Afghan border. Taliban guards, seeing his British passport, arrested him as a British spy.
American troops discovered Al-Harith among numerous foreigners held by the Taliban in jail in Kandahar and released him.
He was being aided by the Red Cross to make arrangements to return to Britain. They enabled him to call his family in Britain, whom he told he would be soon flying home. The Red Cross had arranged with the British embassy to fly him out from the American airbase to Kabul to meet the British representative.
But, Al-Harith was not allowed to leave Kabul because Americans had become suspicious about the purpose of his travels in the region. Not believing his explanations, they arrested him as a suspected enemy combatant and transported him to Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
The military held him there and interrogated him for more than two years without charges. He said he suffered "cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment"
That's what happened, not caught fighting for the Taliban in Pakistan.
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So the Red Cross & UK gov were trying to get him home, the USA decide to arrest him anyway & lock him up for two years, which would have no doubt been longer had the UK not intervened. But its us & not the USA that give him a million quid.. 
Makes perfect fucking sense to me.
Also I can't be the only person that had someone locked me up for two years with no evidence with a bunch of possibly "real" terrorists for company when I got out I'd probably want to kill some fucker too...
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I'm no fan of Guantanamo being used but it's certainly unlikely that you could be radicalised inside it!.
Your held in solitude nearly all the time and hardly ever have any correspondence with fellow detainees, solitude tends to break most peoples spirit because of reflection, it's why prisons use it!. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think the allegations were that UK service agents assisted in torture etc plus any possible credible evidence we may have had against him could have compromised other aspects of MI5 / CIA agents/ intel / operations if it had gone to trial.
That's why the government pay them off with probably confidentially agreements etc to keep them quiet.
Same old thing, knowing someone did something is totally different to knowing and being able to prove they did it.
Also if he wasn't already "radicalised" beforehand it would probably have been after being released. I didn't say he was radicalised inside Guantanamo
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tony Blair is a dangerous idiot"
Thing is at the time the UK press was banging on about how the UK detainees should be released from Guan, then finally the Labour government got them freed.
"The Mail headline shortly after he was released after months of their campaigning was Freedom at last for Guantánamo Britons’.
They then quoted with approval various human rights activists saying, ‘Clearly by what’s happened they’re not bad guys, they are entirely innocent.
The compensation was agreed in 2010 by the Conservative government obviously only after Labour had pressed for his release a few years back.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/22/british-suicide-bomber-ronald-fiddler-uk-security-services-guilty-of-failings-terrorism-chief
Full story here
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them..."
I didn't think two-faced, lying Blair would fund a campaign using his own money so if this is true then it means that EU taxpayers are actually funding Blair's treason! |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
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Only a complete moron would believe a single word that came out of his mouth apart from his name and "How much you paying, OK speak to Cheri".
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
Only a complete moron would believe a single word that came out of his mouth apart from his name and "How much you paying, OK speak to Cheri".
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Blair's New Labour government really knew how to 'blow' taxpayers' money!
Except he got his compensation paid by the Cameron led coalition government.....but nice post truth try"
That is true but whatever Government was/is in power, I would be extremely pissed off in the way that they just paid that amount out.
Should have let him sue us for it. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
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So that would be unlike business owners like Mr Banks funding UKIP and Farage would it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
So that would be unlike business owners like Mr Banks funding UKIP and Farage would it? "
You tell me ??
Ive just stated corruption is all around regardless! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
So that would be unlike business owners like Mr Banks funding UKIP and Farage would it?
You tell me ??
Ive just stated corruption is all around regardless!"
Well you just named one person, so I wonder why you thought they were worse than anyone else? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Blair's New Labour government really knew how to 'blow' taxpayers' money!
Except he got his compensation paid by the Cameron led coalition government.....but nice post truth try
That is true but whatever Government was/is in power, I would be extremely pissed off in the way that they just paid that amount out.
Should have let him sue us for it."
He did and we couldn't let it go to court, hence why the pay off |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
So that would be unlike business owners like Mr Banks funding UKIP and Farage would it?
You tell me ??
Ive just stated corruption is all around regardless!
Well you just named one person, so I wonder why you thought they were worse than anyone else? "
It was because I was posting in relation to someone elses post on Tony Blair in particular. |
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"Its rumoured that Tony Blair is being substantially funded/paid to make a return to politics to try and stop Brexit on behalf of some EU countries and business owners who dont want us go leave the EU as it will be financially damaging to them.
Corruption is all around us unfortunately.
And it usually starts from the very top of the food chain!
So that would be unlike business owners like Mr Banks funding UKIP and Farage would it? "
As much as I'd like Aaron Banks to have as much influence and wealth as an EU country he doesn't unfortunately. |
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"Blair's New Labour government really knew how to 'blow' taxpayers' money!
You know it was the coalition government that gave him the money, right? "
Yes it was Clueless Clegg and Corrupt Cameron, 2 fuckwits who have lead the call for Britain to stay in the EU. If nothing else this Fiddler character compo story shows how poor these 2 muppets judgement is. |
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"Strange thing is , it was the Daiy Mail who the left hate who campaigned for him ! "
...and the leftard liberal justice lawyers, people in line with Corrupt human rights lawyer Phil Shiner who was recently struck off for misconduct for making up bogus cases against brave British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan when he was trying to get them prosecuted. When did our country lose its way so much that we now pay out compensation to terrorists and try to prosecute our armed services for misconduct on bogus charges? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Strange thing is , it was the Daiy Mail who the left hate who campaigned for him !
...and the leftard liberal justice lawyers, people in line with Corrupt human rights lawyer Phil Shiner who was recently struck off for misconduct for making up bogus cases against brave British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan when he was trying to get them prosecuted. When did our country lose its way so much that we now pay out compensation to terrorists and try to prosecute our armed services for misconduct on bogus charges? "
A long while ago in Notthern Ireland ! And it's still happening ! Yet the I R A get off Scot Free ! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I don't get how if he was incarcerated by American forces...held in an American facility....the UK government pay the compensation?? "
Because British intelligence officials tortured him. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't get how if he was incarcerated by American forces...held in an American facility....the UK government pay the compensation??
Because British intelligence officials tortured him. "
They didn't torture him enough  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The sum of money was agreed by David Cameron's govt.
No it was a coalition. It was Clegg and Cameron's government. "
I don't think it matters who was responsible for what. Labour rallied for release, conservative coughed up OUR cash, liberal turned over and had it's belly rubbed.
The fact is he should have got f all. Or if anything the equivelent he would have lost out on in benefits if a claiment, or salary if employed. That would be deemed fair and reasonable costs.
Getting £1m just shows how soft society has become. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The sum of money was agreed by David Cameron's govt.
No it was a coalition. It was Clegg and Cameron's government.
I don't think it matters who was responsible for what. Labour rallied for release, conservative coughed up OUR cash, liberal turned over and had it's belly rubbed.
The fact is he should have got f all. Or if anything the equivelent he would have lost out on in benefits if a claiment, or salary if employed. That would be deemed fair and reasonable costs.
Getting £1m just shows how soft society has become."
perhaps, but it was not a "pay-out"
it was a bribe to keep it well away from court action. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The sum of money was agreed by David Cameron's govt.
No it was a coalition. It was Clegg and Cameron's government.
I don't think it matters who was responsible for what. Labour rallied for release, conservative coughed up OUR cash, liberal turned over and had it's belly rubbed.
The fact is he should have got f all. Or if anything the equivelent he would have lost out on in benefits if a claiment, or salary if employed. That would be deemed fair and reasonable costs.
Getting £1m just shows how soft society has become.
perhaps, but it was not a "pay-out"
it was a bribe to keep it well away from court action."
I missed put 'or he should have had an accident'  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The sum of money was agreed by David Cameron's govt.
No it was a coalition. It was Clegg and Cameron's government.
I don't think it matters who was responsible for what. Labour rallied for release, conservative coughed up OUR cash, liberal turned over and had it's belly rubbed.
The fact is he should have got f all. Or if anything the equivelent he would have lost out on in benefits if a claiment, or salary if employed. That would be deemed fair and reasonable costs.
Getting £1m just shows how soft society has become."
What many of you are forgetting is up until the other day when he blew himself up he hadn't done anything wrong that either the US or UK governments could / would tell us about.
Their innocence was plastered all over our media from our Labour government and campaign groups while they were in Guan for 2 years, there was a massive fanfare in the papers / news when they were finally released.
Then the allegations of torture by UK agents in Guan came out and if you remember Guan had a bloody bad rep back then.
It only stands to reason that they were paid compensation if no evidence could be shown they were lawfully detained for 2 YEARS but no charges brought against them.
Nobody knew or could say 10 years later he would blow himself up in Iraq |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Sad fact is that there are far too many spurious compensation claims and payouts in this country.
From dubious 'whiplash' car insurance claims to tripping over 'loose paving stones', everyone is at it.
There are millions paid out over wrongful conviction claims. Everyone knows that not all are correct and sometimes are the result of poor police or court practices. End result? Criminals get paid substantial sums thanks to clever lawyers.
This case isn't really any different. Doesn't make it any easier to accept. It simply a case of the wrong amount paid out to the wrong person. Just like the 2 or 3 guys I know who have collected around £3k each for minor bumps in their cars. |
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