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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

If you wish a Firearm or Shotgun certificate to enable you to purchase a rifle, shotgun or handgun now in the UK, the rules have changed for the better, just a little bit tighter and this includes airguns in Scotland.

Do you agree on the new legislation, I don't think it can get much tighter now!!

The Home Office has announced changes to the application process for firearm and shotgun certificates so that information sharing between GPs and police is improved. The move is in response to recommendations for change to the current system submitted by Coroners, the IPCC and the medical profession.

As of the 1st April 2016 application forms will change. Applicants will be advised that the police will not only contact their GP as they do now asking whether they know of any relevant medical condition or have concerns about the issue of a firearm or shotgun certificate, but will also ask GPs to place an encoded reminder onto the applicant’s patient record. During the validity of the firearm or shotgun certificate, the presence of the encoded reminder will enable the GP to consider notifying the police if a person’s medical health gives rise to concern regarding their possession of firearms. Upon cancellation of the certificate, for whatever reason, the police will send notification to the GP and the encoded reminder will be inactivated.

The scheme is the result of 3 years hard work by a Home Office working group made up of representatives of the police, the medical profession, the Information Commissioner’s Office and shooting organisations, BASC being at the forefront. Initially, consideration was given to the introduction of compulsory scheme whereby every applicant had to complete a self-declaration medical form and submit it to their GP together with a relevant fee. The GP in turn was expected to amend or corroborate the information, place an encoded reminder on the patient record, and forward the form to the police. BASC fiercely resisted this proposal as being wholly disproportionate

I think this is adequate now that your doctor must first approve prior to your application even being considered, anyone disagree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !"

Do you think all army, and police have the correct training to handle firearms?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !"

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports."

Most farmers have guns for vermin control

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports.

Most farmers have guns for vermin control "

now now, even I don't advocate shooting remainers

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports.

Most farmers have guns for vermin control

now now, even I don't advocate shooting remainers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports.

Most farmers have guns for vermin control

now now, even I don't advocate shooting remainers

ok, maybe 1 or 2

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports.

Most farmers have guns for vermin control

now now, even I don't advocate shooting remainers

ok, maybe 1 or 2

ALL Lives Matter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Farmers don't really need them , and I hate hunting anyways , I don't think all police should have them .

The less guns thier are the less chance of them getting into the wrong hands !

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Farmers don't really need them , and I hate hunting anyways , I don't think all police should have them .

The less guns thier are the less chance of them getting into the wrong hands !"

Why dont farmers need them how would they control,pigeons,crows, magpies etc etc ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Farmers don't really need them , and I hate hunting anyways , I don't think all police should have them .

The less guns thier are the less chance of them getting into the wrong hands !"

Guess you have no idea or clue regarding country life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have no issue with farmers having shotguns. I would make carrying an illegal fire arm a life sentence .I have no issue with killing for food.As i fish only for species i eat and never take more than i can eat. I dislike killing for sport.Or killing an species because i can.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have no issue with farmers having shotguns. I would make carrying an illegal fire arm a life sentence .I have no issue with killing for food.As i fish only for species i eat and never take more than i can eat. I dislike killing for sport.Or killing an species because i can."

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too "
Actually i have friends who hunt with a bow in USA .Very skilled and very stealthy compared to the hilly billies with rifles in the woods of america.i spearfish also.I agree deer should be managed with a rifle.Shotguns and air rifles are fine on most farms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too "

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun"

go on then what is quicker and more humane, beware most end in a big hole similar to the one youre digging

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun

go on then what is quicker and more humane, beware most end in a big hole similar to the one youre digging

As someone with a Level 2 Certificate in Pest Control I can assure you there are many more humane ways of eradicating pest species and, incidentally, Crows and Magpies are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 and can only be culled under the provision of a Special Licence.

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"Farmers don't really need them , and I hate hunting anyways , I don't think all police should have them .

The less guns thier are the less chance of them getting into the wrong hands !"

Sorry mate, what right do you have to dictate what others need or want?

I really hate stupidity and arrogance

But I have to admit that you share the same opinion as some great Historic figures ! Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin , Benito Mussolini, Pol pot, and a host of other Totalitarian despots come to mind!

So my hat of to you

They also thought that only "some" people ought to have guns..... So who decides in what hands guns belong ?

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"Farmers don't really need them , and I hate hunting anyways , I don't think all police should have them .

The less guns thier are the less chance of them getting into the wrong hands !

Guess you have no idea or clue regarding country life

This "person" not only is clueless, but doesn't care or respect others !

Of course as most bigots and radical do gooders, he is probably happy to devour his steak.... from an animal That someone else had to kill for him.... and relies on others carrying guns daily to keep him safe !

As someone said ... hoplophobia is rife in the age of the wimp !

And in the UK today as well as some other countries, apparently Wimp culture rules

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By *Ollyinone.Man over a year ago

Coventry/Bedworth

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Do you think all army, and police have the correct training to handle firearms?"

Well, yes. Am I missing something?

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Do you think all army, and police have the correct training to handle firearms?

Well, yes. Am I missing something?

yes ! you are missing the fact that just because you are in the armed forces or police, does not automatically mean you qualified, able or properly trained to handle firearms. In my case I was already proficient in firearms before my Army days ! In fact the only thing I learned was to handle the issue rifle and pistol ! Proper firearms training is a very expensive affair mainly due to ammo cost. So training large number of men/women either armed forces on Police is always very basic because of cost ! The only exceptions are special forces or units , but those are in small numbers anyway . Now those who like guns and shooting, naturally learn and retain their knowledge easier ! In fact it becomes second nature handling a gun , any gun, properly ! But you would be amazed on how many in the armed forces and Police , don't like guns and shooting

for them carrying a gun is part of the job, they have to do. The result is often not very good and has tragic results ! After all its human nature, you will naturally do something you like better then something you don't like....lol... just thought of some sex parallels

a woman who enjoys giving a guy Oral will in theory do it much better then one who doesn't enjoy, but does it because he, expects or wants it !

But we are fed this propaganda that only police and military are automatically qualified to have or handle firearms...

Of course the media TV and Hollywood have been peddling that idea for a while too ! But its wrong

"armed police" lol.... (A unique British concept as the rest of the civilised world considers it normal for police to be Armed) How many times in recent years have they screwed up and shot , wounded or killed either the wrong person or for the wrong motive/reason?

A dirty little secret amongst most European police forces , is that the overwhelming majority of police deaths by firearms are not due to being shot by criminals in the line of duty , but by suicide (eating their gun as some call it ), or by fellow police officers due to poor or bad gun handling !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Do you think all army, and police have the correct training to handle firearms?

Well, yes. Am I missing something?

a woman who enjoys giving a guy Oral will in theory do it much better then one who doesn't enjoy, but does it because he, expects or wants it !

But we are fed this propaganda that only police and military are automatically qualified to have or handle firearms...

Of course the media TV and Hollywood have been peddling that idea for a while too ! But its wrong

You are fairly spot on their

My mate, very good friend is an RO at a certain army range, in 2003 recruits were getting 24 shots before being sent out to Iraq 24 shots. And they were more worried about retrieving the empty shells than getting a good group, windage and elevation adjustments - no clue.

How many times to you have police arrive at your home, including firearms department and they have absolutely no idea on what to look for to ensure a firearm is "made safe" unless it is "bolt action" !! there is no excuse for it as in all reality there are only 5 or 6 parts to each firearm and they can be fully dissembled and built back up in no time.

Proper training & gun handling takes years of experience especially when dealing with a jam or misfire, growing up on farms as a kid is a good start then progressing as you grow through life.

One of the ranges we used to use was a shared range which police also used (obviously different slots), we saw their "used" targets regularly and groupings for a close 30 yard range were around 18 - 24 inches - for 30 yards, unbelievable, I expect the firearms would have been pistol 9mm or G36 and there are a lot of bad reports on the G36.

Someone mentioned they have American friends who hunt deer with bow in USA, this is banned in UK as it can be a long cruel death. There are only certain calibres you can hunt deer with in UK especially reds

education is essential and you only get this through many years of regular handling.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun

go on then what is quicker and more humane, beware most end in a big hole similar to the one youre digging

Go on then as you have level 2 and are an expert tell us what you think is the best way to cull pigeons, rooks and magpies who are the biggest killers of song birds there is are its prefectly legal to shoot them to protect other creatures

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun

go on then what is quicker and more humane, beware most end in a big hole similar to the one youre digging

Pest birds, irrespective of their species, can only be culled legally if all other attempts to exclude them from areas at risk have failed. It is NOT legal to shoot ANY birds in order to protect other bird species. It's called natural selection. If you don't believe me, please ask the wild life specialist in your local police force.

With regards to the means of control, it is entirely dependent on species and circumstances but culling of any pest bird should only be carried out as a last resort.

By the sound of it, you display understandable concern for song birds but this is not a 'Pest Control' issue and no reputable Pest Controller or Pest Control company would consider culling birds in such circumstances.

I should add, I don't claim to be an 'expert', just an individual that happens to have worked in Pest Control for over 20 years and happen to know the difference between my Larus argentatus and my Columba livia (Google them if you're confused). There is absolutely no need to attempt infantile denigration.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun

go on then what is quicker and more humane, beware most end in a big hole similar to the one youre digging

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a shotgun is absolutely of no use for Conservation & management of deer

and its limited in use for vermin control

guess we should ban archery, fencing & shooting in the Olympics too

Agreed. Not on the sports stuff though. :P

And farmers could turn to a private of gov regulated service for vermin control. There are quicker and more human ways of dealing with it than a gun

go on then what is quicker and more humane, beware most end in a big hole similar to the one youre digging

Absolutely. My cats regularly bring in dead birds. My neighbour has bird feeders and bird tables in his garden and regularly tops up the seeds.

My cats view it as a fast food takeaway

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

With regards to the means of control, it is entirely dependent on species and circumstances but culling of any pest bird should only be carried out as a last resort.

Sorry but you are totally wrong,it is permitted under the general licence,it is laugable when SOME "conservationists" claim that magpies dont take other birdsegg and young, I have used a larsen trap on several occassions and the difference in song birds is huge afterwards, as for natural selection man is top of the chain and we have created the environment we live in, if we wish to see nothing but predator species then let nature take its course, moving birds on from one place to another is not a form of control it just gives the problem to someone else. Yes I do agree that cats kill lots of birds too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

With regards to the means of control, it is entirely dependent on species and circumstances but culling of any pest bird should only be carried out as a last resort.

For www.gov.uk/wildbirds licence to kill (abrv.)

'If you’re a land owner, occupier or other authorised person you can use this general licence to carry out a range of otherwise prohibited activities against certain wild birds. You don’t need to apply for this general licence but you must meet its conditions and follow its instructions.

You are an authorised person if you’re one of the following:

the land owner, occupier or anyone authorised by the owner or occupier

authorised in writing by the local authority

authorised in writing by any England, Scotland or Wales conservation body, a district board for fisheries or local fisheries committee

authorised in writing by the Environment Agency, a water undertaker or a sewerage undertaker

You can only use this licence to preserve public health or public safety.

You can’t use this licence to kill birds because they are damaging your property, such as your car or house, or if they’re a nuisance.

Killing other birds does NOT fall under this remit.

The important words here are 'to preserve public health or public safety'.

I respectfully suggest that you're the one that should stop digging.

If you've been using Larsen traps for the purposes of controlling Magpies on the basis that they are a threat to other birds, I'm afraid you have been breaking the law and I suggest you remove any references to that effect before you find yourself in serious trouble.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry, should have included a close quote ' at the sentence ending 'they're a nuisance'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is all well and good but most gun crime is committed by illegal firearms eg those obtained unlawfully not by those who went to Trouble of obtaining a fire arms license in the first place. It is the age old argument of the gun is inanimate object it not the gun that kills it the person who holding it and they will always find a way to get them after all an antique fire arm does not require a license but a colt 45 produced in 1939 is still as lethal as one made yesterday which does require license but is illegal as not antique and a hand gun which was made illegal to own

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"This is all well and good but most gun crime is committed by illegal firearms eg those obtained unlawfully not by those who went to Trouble of obtaining a fire arms license in the first place. It is the age old argument of the gun is inanimate object it not the gun that kills it the person who holding it and they will always find a way to get them after all an antique fire arm does not require a license but a colt 45 produced in 1939 is still as lethal as one made yesterday which does require license but is illegal as not antique and a hand gun which was made illegal to own "

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns"

But the point I was trying to make is it now harder to purchase new legal guns but I can still go out today and buy a colt government .45 made in 1939 in full working condition as an antique firearm without having to apply to apply for firearms license as it is an antique therefore not required to be licensed so it easy to buy unregistered guns easier than you think a fire arm only has to be 26 yrs old to be antique and not even deactivated

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

" I've read cats kill 4 billion birds a year globally

This is outrageous. Cat's shouldn't be handling firearms in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns

I am not up to speed with antique firearms and not 100% certain of what is allowed or what is not allowed.

I do know a few friends who own antique revolvers - one 357/38 and one .44, both owners have these on firearms cert as they are used and they have said before that if the firearm is used, it must be on your certificate, these are legal to be owned with the shorter barrel and not the requirements of todays hand guns

owning one as an "unused on the wall" antique is not a thing I would do and I do not know the requirements of law for this, I am sure if this was intended for illegal action why not just get a cross bow or air gun, save all the hassle

I do think the law has been changed with respect to this, otherwise why would there be need to have them on firearm cert? again antiques is not a thing I get involved in

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

nor does my GP, who kindly completed and sent off not too long ago for renewal.

You also get a RED warning marker on all medical files; your own GP system and any hospital that medical records are pulled over to also see's this marker

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns

I am not up to speed with antique firearms and not 100% certain of what is allowed or what is not allowed.

I do think the law has been changed with respect to this, otherwise why would there be need to have them on firearm cert? again antiques is not a thing I get involved in"

Iagxwn 3 without having them on a firearms license all are original guns and parts so license is not required but because I don't need a license to own them they are legal but because they are hand guns not rifles if new would be illegal to own or register as hand guns were banned about 10 yrs ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns

I am not up to speed with antique firearms and not 100% certain of what is allowed or what is not allowed.

I do think the law has been changed with respect to this, otherwise why would there be need to have them on firearm cert? again antiques is not a thing I get involved in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I've read cats kill 4 billion birds a year globally

This is outrageous. Cat's shouldn't be handling firearms in the first place."
I know ! a quick google tells me they kill 275 million mammals a year in the UK.We should be shooting cats.I never like them anyway.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

" I've read cats kill 4 billion birds a year globally

This is outrageous. Cat's shouldn't be handling firearms in the first place.I know ! a quick google tells me they kill 275 million mammals a year in the UK.We should be shooting cats.I never like them anyway.

In America it's written into to constitution a citizen's right to arm bears, as if bears aren't dangerous enough already!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I've read cats kill 4 billion birds a year globally

In America it's written into to constitution a citizen's right to arm bears, as if bears aren't dangerous enough already! "

Bears with shotguns I'm getting bullet proof tent

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Shooting cats wtf sick fucks on here lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shooting cats wtf sick fucks on here lol"
Well you could put a bell around your cats neck so its not part of the slaughter of 275 million mammals s year.It might be cheaper than shooting them and I've never found a good recipe for cats.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shooting cats wtf sick fucks on here lolWell you could put a bell around your cats neck so its not part of the slaughter of 275 million mammals s year.It might be cheaper than shooting them and I've never found a good recipe for cats.

You could always wait until rigor mortis sets in and use them as a loo brush provided you straighten out the tail first

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You could always wait until rigor mortis sets in and use them as a loo brush provided you straighten out the tail first

"
Cracking idea for recycling cats..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns

I am not up to speed with antique firearms and not 100% certain of what is allowed or what is not allowed.

I do think the law has been changed with respect to this, otherwise why would there be need to have them on firearm cert? again antiques is not a thing I get involved in

You are aware not all handguns are banned in the UK, you can possess a 9mm, .357magnum, .44 and various other hand guns legally today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

indeed, but again it is still far more difficult to obtain an illegal firearm in the UK than it is in EU countries

and why is it, you can go out and purchase, cases, primers, powder & heads without a license, only when assembled do they become an issue.

but as the OP says, is it now far better that you must first have a letter from your GP prior to obtaining a license, or is this putting more pressure on an already busy GP.

remember in Scotland this is also required for air guns

I am not up to speed with antique firearms and not 100% certain of what is allowed or what is not allowed.

I do think the law has been changed with respect to this, otherwise why would there be need to have them on firearm cert? again antiques is not a thing I get involved in

You are aware not all handguns are banned in the UK, you can possess a 9mm, .357magnum, .44 and various other hand guns legally today

The law that was passed originally banned all hand guns including those held by the military and armed police this was hastily changed so both of these could keep and carry them I am aware that is legal to own deactivated firearms but they now by law have to be painted bright colours to be bought legally in the uk

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

"
wow! why do people need semi auto.Target practice or shooting clubs?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

wow! why do people need semi auto.Target practice or shooting clubs?"

basically because its good fun, and .22 semi auto is used for both target practice & competition at many shooting clubs, in the 1911 design

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI. "

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You got me wondering but just checked the law of 1997 which made any firearm with barrel length of under 30 cm or 60 cm in total illegal does still stand smooth bore clubs are exempt by order of secretary of state but they do have to prove that all firearms used are not riffled barrel

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above? "

I admit I did omit muzzle loaders.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above? "

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

As I said "long barreled varieties"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

As I said "long barreled varieties" "

yes, you were "almost" correct, almost

you get a "well done" but no star

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

As I said "long barreled varieties"

yes, you were "almost" correct, almost

you get a "well done" but no star

No I was correct, you just repeated what I had originally said. I dont know why you seem to have appointed yourself as the forum's resident firearm expert. You have no idea what's on the tickets of other forum users.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

For www.gov.uk/wildbirds licence to kill (abrv.)

You are an authorised person if you’re one of the following:

the land owner, occupier or anyone authorised by the owner or occupier

authorised in writing by the local authority

authorised in writing by any England, Scotland or Wales conservation body, a district board for fisheries or local fisheries committee

authorised in writing by the Environment Agency, a water undertaker or a sewerage undertaker

You can only use this licence to preserve public health or public safety.

You can’t use this licence to kill birds because they are damaging your property, such as your car or house, or if they’re a nuisance.

Killing other birds does NOT fall under this remit.

The important words here are 'to preserve public health or public safety'.

I respectfully suggest that you're the one that should stop digging.

Well seeing as I am a land owner and farmer I am well within the law to shoot or use a trap, see this link,

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prevent-wild-birds-damaging-your-land-farm-or-business#general-licences.

While I dont take pleasure in killing anything I am quite willing to get rid of most corvids

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

As I said "long barreled varieties"

yes, you were "almost" correct, almost

you get a "well done" but no star

on all accounts you failed to mention the - permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip, this is essential

I know you hate being wrong, but

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

As I said "long barreled varieties"

yes, you were "almost" correct, almost

you get a "well done" but no star

on all accounts you failed to mention the - permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip, this is essential

I know you hate being wrong, but

The are called "long barreled pistols" and "long barreled revolvers". They aren't called "long barreled pistols with a perment wrist brace" are they?

I wasn't describing every feature of every gun, I was naming a category of firearm.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure?"
How many lives would make it a worthwhile measure ?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

Gun controls should be strict but those that want them for "criminal" purposes will always get hold of them without too much trouble.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure? How many lives would make it a worthwhile measure ? "

One

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure? How many lives would make it a worthwhile measure ?

One

Would it though? Really? How many lives could be saved if we changed the speed limit on every road, dual carriage way and motor way to 20mph? A lot more than one. Would it be worth it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure? How many lives would make it a worthwhile measure ?

One

Would it though? Really? How many lives could be saved if we changed the speed limit on every road, dual carriage way and motor way to 20mph? A lot more than one. Would it be worth it? "

I do see your point !

I'm just very strong on this issue for personal reasons !

If you p m me il tell you why , don't want to put it on here

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I'd prefer all guns banned unless owned by the Army or Police !

Same, I'd even say farmers shouldn't have them. And those who wish to go game shooting can just hire them if they want to partake in blood sports.

Most farmers have guns for vermin control "

Neverind vermin control, my .410 is my humane euthenasia tool.

How else are you supposed to put down a sick animal?

I suppose I could get a captive bolt stunner....

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure?"

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"wrong;

handguns can still be legally bought in UK for public ownership

including semi auto of certain calibre

Only long barreled varieties in England, Wales and Scotland, the regular varieties of handgun that you are accustomed to seeing can still be purchased in NI.

someone has been doing her homework

almost correct

almost

What is incorrect about what I have said above?

nothing is "incorrect, you are almost there

Manufacturers realised that existing revolver designs can be adapted to meet the legal length criteria by fitting an extended barrel and a permanent 'wrist brace' to the grip

type - taurus lbr pistols 357 magnum into google and do a search

As I said "long barreled varieties"

yes, you were "almost" correct, almost

you get a "well done" but no star

Mmm.... could it be that he, like you ,or me, is a firearms owner , and therefore obliged to know the Law ?

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"Maybe saying farmers should have s shot gun was me going too far !

But I just think the less guns the better !

Yes thier will be gun deaths but let's make it as hard as possible for people to get them

How big is the problem are you trying to tackle by taking away peoples livelihoods, tools of their trade, sports and hobbies? How many lives do you expect to save each year with this measure? How many lives would make it a worthwhile measure ?

One

Would it though? Really? How many lives could be saved if we changed the speed limit on every road, dual carriage way and motor way to 20mph? A lot more than one. Would it be worth it?

I do see your point !

I'm just very strong on this issue for personal reasons !

If you p m me il tell you why , don't want to put it on here

While I respect your personal reasons , that does not give you the right to deny or impose limits on others! As an example, if someone runs over and kills a relative of yours, killing them , I ask if the solution is banning motor cars ? While shootings and guns deaths make great headlines , the reality is that they are very, very low on the scale of human causes of death

Fact is, Gun control by its very nature is stupid and often causes more harm then good

OH.... and not to mention dictators love it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

guns don't kill people .... but the bellends who have guns have killed millions

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"guns don't kill people .... but the bellends who have guns have killed millions"

And why do you think that is ? Because nobody was shooting back

Normally the bad guys are a minority , and the good guys the majority , so if all have guns, and are willing to defend themselves, who do you think has the upper hand ?

Who will the bully go for ? the weakest kid in the group , or the tough guy , who keeps to himself , but takes no shit from any one ?

Had the jews in the Warsaw ghetto been well armed wouldn't the Nazis have had a harder time suppressing that revolt ?

Fact is any "belland with a gun" is going to think twice if the folks he is trying to harm shoot back.... Its simple...he will choose someone not armed !

Fact is, a gun can just as well harm you or keep you safe, in the same way a steak knife can cut your steak , or your throat !

So grow up, wise up, and stop being a Hoplophbe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

My GP can't tell the difference between an arse and an elbow. If you told him you wanted a gun licence, you'd probably find it listed on a repeat prescription. I wouldn't set any store by the fact that he had input into keeping guns out of the hands of the unsuitable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant."

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately with gun crime the stats are about 98% are committed with illegal guns while the other 2% is legally held guns so surely we should concentrate on getting them off the streets first before anything else and worry less about legally held firearms at the moment

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

Most gun that kill/wound in U.K. are not legally owned. You can put, make owning gun harder to almost impossible but won't stop those that have black market guns.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"guns don't kill people .... but the bellends who have guns have killed millions

And why do you think that is ? Because nobody was shooting back

Normally the bad guys are a minority , and the good guys the majority , so if all have guns, and are willing to defend themselves, who do you think has the upper hand ?

Who will the bully go for ? the weakest kid in the group , or the tough guy , who keeps to himself , but takes no shit from any one ?

Had the jews in the Warsaw ghetto been well armed wouldn't the Nazis have had a harder time suppressing that revolt ?

Fact is any "belland with a gun" is going to think twice if the folks he is trying to harm shoot back.... Its simple...he will choose someone not armed !

Fact is, a gun can just as well harm you or keep you safe, in the same way a steak knife can cut your steak , or your throat !

So grow up, wise up, and stop being a Hoplophbe

Whilst I both own guns and agree that I should be allowed to do so, this is drivel.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act."

WHY?

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?"

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone. "

If you can no longer safely handle a firearm, you shouldn't be in charge of one. If the physical condition means that you might point the gun in a different direction and pull the trigger, you could easily kill or injury those around you. If you are shooting on an outdoor range such movements could mean that your bullets might miss the backstop and escape the range, potentially causing death or injury to people, or livestock or damage to property.

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone.

A cause can be put on a cert that it is use under supervision or a spotter used. All the rangers ive used have field of view back stop to help prevent overshot. The most dangerous gun I ever encountered was a fully able man in 40's and the safest gun was a guy with MS that used a 410 on clays

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone.

The doctor only reports medical history

Police make the decision

and if you refuse to have your medical records passed on, then you are also giving up your request to renew your firearms certificate

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone.

The doctor only reports medical history

Police make the decision

and if you refuse to have your medical records passed on, then you are also giving up your request to renew your firearms certificate"

All the police are ever told is they need to make sure that any decision needs to be able to stand up in a court and that guidelines are just that. The people who write the guidelines won't be standing next to you in court when a barrister ripes them a new one.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone.

But how will the police know to put a "cause" (clause?) on the certificate if the GP hasn't notified them about the condition?

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"GP's would charge for a sign off for a fire arms licence

Our's doesn't

wow; that is a serious quote and the main concern is; if what you say is correct, then you need to seriously ask yourself "Why" you keep him as "Your" GP.

Have you no concerns on your health? why would you even consider having in your opinion "a fool" or an "idiot" as your GP?

This was your choice and he is looking after your health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GP has a duty to Revel all relevant medical conditions you have had to the Police;

these include;

**Acute Stress Reaction caused by Trauma

**Suicidal Thoughts or Self-harm

**Depression or Anxiety

**Dementia

**Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness

**personality disorder

**A Neurological condition - epilepsy, parkinsons, MS etc

**Alcohol or drug abuse

**any other mental or physical condition which they think may be relevant.

Wouldn't that be a breach of the equalities act.

WHY?

Physical condition doesn't mean you are going to shoot someone.

But how will the police know to put a "cause" (clause?) on the certificate if the GP hasn't

notified them about the condition? "

Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant "

Application form has a section for "YOU" the applicant to notify of any condition

Before the police receive your application they receive the completed form from your doctor.

The procedure is;

You receive notice your license is about to expire along with the forms for your doctor.

You pass these forms to your doctor: full stop.

you then download your firearms renewal application from online and complete and keep it at home.

you then pay the application fee into police bank account

Police then contact you, arrange a date to inspect your cabinets and talk through your application, then they take it away with them

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant

Application form has a section for "YOU" the applicant to notify of any condition

Before the police receive your application they receive the completed form from your doctor.

The procedure is;

You receive notice your license is about to expire along with the forms for your doctor.

You pass these forms to your doctor: full stop.

you then download your firearms renewal application from online and complete and keep it at home.

you then pay the application fee into police bank account

Police then contact you, arrange a date to inspect your cabinets and talk through your application,

then they take it away with them"

You never needed a cabinet just a secure place for shotguns and separate place for cartridges. It's all changing and unfortunately they are not doing enough to get rid of the black market guns

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant

Application form has a section for "YOU" the applicant to notify of any condition

Before the police receive your application they receive the completed form from your doctor.

The procedure is;

You receive notice your license is about to expire along with the forms for your doctor.

You pass these forms to your doctor: full stop.

you then download your firearms renewal application from online and complete and keep it at home.

you then pay the application fee into police bank account

Police then contact you, arrange a date to inspect your cabinets and talk through your application,

then they take it away with them

You never needed a cabinet just a secure place for shotguns and separate place for cartridges. It's all changing and unfortunately they are not doing enough to get rid of the black market guns"

What if you develop a condition that would seriously impact your ability to safely handle a firearm during the time of the certificate (usually 5 years)?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Micheal Ryan the purportrater of the Hungerford massacre had Legal guns and was a member of a gun club !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Micheal Ryan the purportrater of the Hungerford massacre had Legal guns and was a member of a gun club ! "

true and after that, as well as Dunblane with Thomas Hamilton, a

Public debate about the killings centred on gun control laws, including public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, - the Cullen Reports. In response to this debate, two new Firearms Acts were passed, which severely restricted private ownership of firearms in Great Britain.

The Law cannot cover all aspects, same as It cannot control a Lorry driver mowing down innocent pedestrians

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant

Application form has a section for "YOU" the applicant to notify of any condition

Before the police receive your application they receive the completed form from your doctor.

The procedure is;

You receive notice your license is about to expire along with the forms for your doctor.

You pass these forms to your doctor: full stop.

you then download your firearms renewal application from online and complete and keep it at home.

you then pay the application fee into police bank account

Police then contact you, arrange a date to inspect your cabinets and talk through your application,

then they take it away with them

You never needed a cabinet just a secure place for shotguns and separate place for cartridges. It's all changing and unfortunately they are not doing enough to get rid of the black market guns

What if you develop a condition that would seriously impact your ability to safely handle a firearm during the time of the certificate (usually 5 years)? "

Like what condition?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant

Application form has a section for "YOU" the applicant to notify of any condition

Before the police receive your application they receive the completed form from your doctor.

The procedure is;

You receive notice your license is about to expire along with the forms for your doctor.

You pass these forms to your doctor: full stop.

you then download your firearms renewal application from online and complete and keep it at home.

you then pay the application fee into police bank account

Police then contact you, arrange a date to inspect your cabinets and talk through your application,

then they take it away with them

You never needed a cabinet just a secure place for shotguns and separate place for cartridges. It's all changing and unfortunately they are not doing enough to get rid of the black market guns

What if you develop a condition that would seriously impact your ability to safely handle a firearm during the time of the certificate (usually 5 years)?

Like what condition?"

The ones that were mentioned above, like Parkinson's.

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"Application form has a section to notify of any conditions that might be relevant

Application form has a section for "YOU" the applicant to notify of any condition

Before the police receive your application they receive the completed form from your doctor.

The procedure is;

You receive notice your license is about to expire along with the forms for your doctor.

You pass these forms to your doctor: full stop.

you then download your firearms renewal application from online and complete and keep it at home.

you then pay the application fee into police bank account

Police then contact you, arrange a date to inspect your cabinets and talk through your application,

then they take it away with them

You never needed a cabinet just a secure place for shotguns and separate place for cartridges. It's all changing and unfortunately they are not doing enough to get rid of the black market guns

What if you develop a condition that would seriously impact your ability to safely handle a firearm during the time of the certificate (usually 5 years)?

Like what condition?

The ones that were mentioned above, like Parkinson's."

In the early stages it is manageable but agreed in later stages. You find that owners usually sell or pass on their guns when they know they are not able or fit to continue use. sport shooting like clays, trap etc bring great joy to those that enjoy it. On the whole owners are very safe.

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By *onyxptMan over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"Micheal Ryan the purportrater of the Hungerford massacre had Legal guns and was a member of a gun club !

true and after that, as well as Dunblane with Thomas Hamilton, a

The Law cannot cover all aspects, same as It cannot control a Lorry driver mowing down innocent pedestrians

Wasn't it called the "SNOWFLAKE" Campaign?

Basically a bunch of idiots

I recall that the Dunblane shooting club actually reported to the police that Hamilton was showing signs of instability and that they were going to kick out as a member!Which aparently they did, before the shooting.

Also kids had been molested by him and moms had actually confronted and beaten him up! all of this quite some time before the massacre! In spite of all this , the police did nothing

So.... who failed ?

Gun control is BS ! and reality proves this!

In the US the states with highest gun crime , are the ones with the strictest gun control laws ( in spite of them being unconstitutional)

Besides.... the country with the highest percentage of registered guns per capita has virtually no gun crime

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"Micheal Ryan the purportrater of the Hungerford massacre had Legal guns and was a member of a gun club !

true and after that, as well as Dunblane with Thomas Hamilton, a

The Law cannot cover all aspects, same as It cannot control a Lorry driver mowing down innocent pedestrians

Wasn't it called the "SNOWFLAKE" Campaign?

Basically a bunch of idiots

Also kids had been molested by him and moms had actually confronted and beaten him up! all of this quite some time before the massacre! In spite of all this , the police did nothing

So.... who failed ?

Gun control is BS ! and reality proves this!

In the US the states with highest gun crime , are the ones with the strictest gun control laws ( in spite of them being unconstitutional)

Besides.... the country with the highest percentage of registered guns per capita has virtually no gun crime

I think the US is possibly an anomile. Canada has equally lax gun regs, as does Switzerland, with much lower rates of gun homicide. I think that the gun issue cannot be separate from the culture of the country.

I don't think that people should be allowed to have handguns or assualt weapons here (and they aren't) and I think that the majority of gun owners would agree with me.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Gun control is BS ! and reality proves this!

In the US the states with highest gun crime , are the ones with the strictest gun control laws ( in spite of them being unconstitutional)

Why do you say they are unconstitutional?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Micheal Ryan the purportrater of the Hungerford massacre had Legal guns and was a member of a gun club !

true and after that, as well as Dunblane with Thomas Hamilton, a

The Law cannot cover all aspects, same as It cannot control a Lorry driver mowing down innocent pedestrians

Wasn't it called the "SNOWFLAKE" Campaign?

Basically a bunch of idiots

Also kids had been molested by him and moms had actually confronted and beaten him up! all of this quite some time before the massacre! In spite of all this , the police did nothing

So.... who failed ?

Gun control is BS ! and reality proves this!

In the US the states with highest gun crime , are the ones with the strictest gun control laws ( in spite of them being unconstitutional)

Besides.... the country with the highest percentage of registered guns per capita has virtually no gun crime

I don't think that people should be allowed to have handguns or assualt weapons here (and they aren't) and I think that the majority of gun owners would agree with me. "

if you have read the thread you will be aware that you can still buy handguns (they are allowed)

by saying assault weapon, I suspect you mean semi / full automatic -

Do you consider them to be more dangerous than lets say, a section 1 semi automatic shotgun (single slug) with 20 round mags

or even a .50 calibre rifle capable of shooting distances of 2000 metres (over a mile)

perhaps more dangerous as they are not accurate on full auto

both of which are legal to own in UK - section 1 shotgun & .50 cal rifle