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"How about overseas aid?...look after our own first!!!!" not sure how much local councils are liable to pay for overseas aid?..not from the same pot of money at all! | |||
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"There will be a huge rise in council tax, to meet growing demand for social care, about 5% will be added, what is your view or could they cut other things in the budget instead?." iirc councils need to do a referendum to rase them above 2/3%. So i csnt see there being many 5% reises beibg voted in | |||
"I agree totally with the above, but I find it so frustrating when I see the amount of money given away to so called developing countries..India for instance..they have a bigger space programme than the U.K...how are they a developing country??..??" The uk has since ended its aid program with india. And whst you're forgetting is this aid comes with conditions. Ie we give you 5 billion but at least 4 billion has to be spent through british companies | |||
"There will be a huge rise in council tax, to meet growing demand for social care, about 5% will be added, what is your view or could they cut other things in the budget instead?." Ok, short point on basic economics. . There are three main drivers of the economy here: * individuals/household/private spending * business/corporations * government . Many people have seen wages stagnate or fall over the last decade and, with Brexit, we are now likely to face higher prices for imports, which also reduces consumer spending. Business is nervous about Brexit. Some will stay, some are looking to leave, many are waiting to see what the g'ment does before committing to invest & spend on their businesses. Which leaves government. Over the last 5 years g'ment spending has been cut by about 9%, with greater cuts expected. As you take money out of the economy it grinds to a halt. As GK Galbraith pointed out "The government should pay people to dig holes in the ground and then fill them up." Keeps the money spinning. . The alternative is less spending, more cuts to over-stretched services that end up costing more down the line. But whatever. | |||
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"Shouldn't happen or be allowed. If they made changes it could be decreased easily. Other country's have very little council tax or land tax. Change the laws and ways this country wastes it. Cut foreign aid, unless a natural disaster Cut benefits No free NHS for non British All immigrants not entitled to any benefit's until they have paid in for one year, includes housing, or NHS or any handout. Asylum is cancelled to anyone who enters illegally. Prisoners to start manufacturing in prison to earn food and supply's. People on benefits to do a minimum of 2 hours per day work to get there benefits for the council. That's just some" not sure you quite grasp the difference in local council tax and income tax..but i doubt there's any point in trying to explain it...your childrens schooling, your ageing parents care, in fact most of the front line ,most important day to day services you receive are down to in the main, your local council and how they see fit to budget..already many are eating into budgets allocated for other things just to keep the most basic standard of care viable..most councils are at tipping point already,laying off teaching and nursery assistants in huge numbers,cutting hours at day centres,and cutting the services used by elderly,disabled etc to minimum level just to get by...and that is bearing in mind the people paid to do those jobs are paid fuck all to do them...so, no, i don't see anything wrong at all in in increase in a local tax for people who are using, and will continue to use at an ever increasing level, local services! | |||
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"Shouldn't happen or be allowed. If they made changes it could be decreased easily. Other country's have very little council tax or land tax. Change the laws and ways this country wastes it. Cut foreign aid, unless a natural disaster Cut benefits No free NHS for non British All immigrants not entitled to any benefit's until they have paid in for one year, includes housing, or NHS or any handout. Asylum is cancelled to anyone who enters illegally. Prisoners to start manufacturing in prison to earn food and supply's. People on benefits to do a minimum of 2 hours per day work to get there benefits for the council. That's just some You have a thing about benefits!!! Cut benefits.....any more cuts and they may as well stop them. Stop people coming into the country getting benefits.....what benefits. Make people work 2 hours p.d. for their benefits.......they work 30 please provide pew week now! If you haven't seen it you should be made to watch "I Daniel Blake"...you might learn something....but I doubt it  "as i said earlier, i'd try and explain,but there's really no point... | |||
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"Shouldn't happen or be allowed. If they made changes it could be decreased easily. Other country's have very little council tax or land tax. Change the laws and ways this country wastes it. Cut foreign aid, unless a natural disaster Cut benefits No free NHS for non British All immigrants not entitled to any benefit's until they have paid in for one year, includes housing, or NHS or any handout. Asylum is cancelled to anyone who enters illegally. Prisoners to start manufacturing in prison to earn food and supply's. People on benefits to do a minimum of 2 hours per day work to get there benefits for the council. That's just some" You have a thing about benefits!! Cut benefits....if they are cut any further they will not exist. Stop people coming into the country claiming benefits.....what benefits. Make people work for 2 hours per day for their benefits....they work 30 hours per week now for their benefits. If you haven't seen it you should be made to watch "I Daniel Blake" ...you might learn something but I doubt it | |||
"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution?" These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first | |||
"There will be a huge rise in council tax, to meet growing demand for social care, about 5% will be added, what is your view or could they cut other things in the budget instead?." If Trump was in power over here he soon sort it out I like Trump | |||
"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution? These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first " i work as a carer and my wages are pretty shit..nearly half of what the company charges..however, despite the constant moaning from clients about the cost, they are charging no more than people pay for many many other services..in fact many of them use us just to do cleaning as it's cheaper than a decent cleaner would be, cheaper than they pay for a bloody dogwalkers!! so,no, unless you think it's ok to expect people to earn even less than they already do to care for people that need it, people need to stick their hands in their pockets and stump up for it...unless you want all your aged relatives dumped on your doorstep to look after yourselves...because that is exactly what the alternative is right now! | |||
"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution? These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first " Care Companies in Wales are restricted on how much they can charge and increase fees based on how much the Local Council are prepared to pay us. If they're not happy with your prices (you have to submit in writing your intended increase percentage and they write back if they accept. Usually they try to negotiate a lower cost) they will offload to a cheaper agency and you won't get referred any clients. Care Agencies do not rake the money in i can assure you. Especially since the larger agencies have started invading areas and undercutting smaller firms and then once the competition has gone they increase their prices. | |||
"There will be a huge rise in council tax, to meet growing demand for social care, about 5% will be added, what is your view or could they cut other things in the budget instead?. If Trump was in power over here he soon sort it out I like Trump " I like him too and I reckon he could as well. | |||
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"There will be a huge rise in council tax, to meet growing demand for social care, about 5% will be added, what is your view or could they cut other things in the budget instead?. If Trump was in power over here he soon sort it out I like Trump " Really  thankfully he shouldnt be in power long enough to do any damage.
Op i think its not going to bother most.. and social care has been cut so much.
Accessing even basic services are a lottery depending on the area. As the mother of a severely disabled adult.. I am really hoping this planned increase actually helps | |||
"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution? These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first I think you,ve got a good point there men in suits and carrying briefcases alongwith pen pushers working on a points system only fit for the boardroom and their cronies. " | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?" It wouldnt affect me, what about you? | |||
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"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution? These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first Care Companies in Wales are restricted on how much they can charge and increase fees based on how much the Local Council are prepared to pay us. If they're not happy with your prices (you have to submit in writing your intended increase percentage and they write back if they accept. Usually they try to negotiate a lower cost) they will offload to a cheaper agency and you won't get referred any clients. Care Agencies do not rake the money in i can assure you. Especially since the larger agencies have started invading areas and undercutting smaller firms and then once the competition has gone they increase their prices. " exactly! its a total myth nowadays that care agencies are somehow making millions..the situation is very very dire right now purely due to our ageing population...it is not going to change..it is only going to get worse,so it needs to be dealt with now..and if in the immediate future that means a hike in council tax then fine..and no, OP, it is not a 'huge' increase at all! it's minimal given the increase in services needed! | |||
"Did anyone mention inflation ?? Fuel up Energy up Everything is starting to rise. It's all going to get bumpy again!!!!!" Yes. I heard it costs £8 more to fill up a car since brexit as crude oil is measured is in dollars. | |||
"Did anyone mention inflation ?? Fuel up Energy up Everything is starting to rise. It's all going to get bumpy again!!!!!Yes. I heard it costs £8 more to fill up a car since brexit as crude oil is measured is in dollars." Might make folk consider more economical cars | |||
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"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution? These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first Care Companies in Wales are restricted on how much they can charge and increase fees based on how much the Local Council are prepared to pay us. If they're not happy with your prices (you have to submit in writing your intended increase percentage and they write back if they accept. Usually they try to negotiate a lower cost) they will offload to a cheaper agency and you won't get referred any clients. Care Agencies do not rake the money in i can assure you. Especially since the larger agencies have started invading areas and undercutting smaller firms and then once the competition has gone they increase their prices. " Maybe In Wales BUT In England the domiciliary care companies charge so much and the fat bosses are raking it in For an hour these companies can charge up to £20 a hour and the poor carer only gets £7.50 20p a mile and the rest the carer pays out of their own pockets for fuel These domiciliary companies are popping up everywhere The government should look into these companies first | |||
"Did anyone mention inflation ?? Fuel up Energy up Everything is starting to rise. It's all going to get bumpy again!!!!!Yes. I heard it costs £8 more to fill up a car since brexit as crude oil is measured is in dollars. Might make folk consider more economical cars "Yes they would, the electric ones, which would be better for the air too | |||
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"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you?" Yes, it will increase what I pay. | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else " my dad is cared for at home by us thank you very much | |||
"5% is not huge..unless you think the elderly and those who need care should be left to fend for themselves, how else do you suggest the money is raised?..most councils have already eaten into other areas of their budgets to top up the care budget and there is still a massive shortfall..what do you suggest as a solution? These care companies and care homes charge huge amounts of money. The government need to look at these criminals first Care Companies in Wales are restricted on how much they can charge and increase fees based on how much the Local Council are prepared to pay us. If they're not happy with your prices (you have to submit in writing your intended increase percentage and they write back if they accept. Usually they try to negotiate a lower cost) they will offload to a cheaper agency and you won't get referred any clients. Care Agencies do not rake the money in i can assure you. Especially since the larger agencies have started invading areas and undercutting smaller firms and then once the competition has gone they increase their prices. Maybe In Wales BUT In England the domiciliary care companies charge so much and the fat bosses are raking it in For an hour these companies can charge up to £20 a hour and the poor carer only gets £7.50 20p a mile and the rest the carer pays out of their own pockets for fuel These domiciliary companies are popping up everywhere The government should look into these companies first " the rates you state are pretty accurate, but there are no 'fat cats ' raking it in anymore, as the poster above said, these companies all have to be competitive with each other,if they are too expensive,the local council will go to another one..obviously...there is very very little difference in the rates from one company to another nowadays,it is just fact that this care costs money and people have to pay for it....no-one wants to but there it is...it's just tough....to look at it completely dispassionately..there are too many old people around for us to sustain anymore at the level of tax we pay....so we have to pay more..or think of some other way of dealing with them!! | |||
"Did anyone mention inflation ?? Fuel up Energy up Everything is starting to rise. It's all going to get bumpy again!!!!!Yes. I heard it costs £8 more to fill up a car since brexit as crude oil is measured is in dollars. Might make folk consider more economical cars "It costs me about an extra £10 a time to fill up my car now, however I paid £200 for my car and while it still gets me reliably from a to b i'll stick with what I have  | |||
"Did anyone mention inflation ?? Fuel up Energy up Everything is starting to rise. It's all going to get bumpy again!!!!!Yes. I heard it costs £8 more to fill up a car since brexit as crude oil is measured is in dollars. Might make folk consider more economical cars Yes they would, the electric ones, which would be better for the air too "indeed
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"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else " untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! | |||
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"Has the Politics forum gone? "I was just wondering that. The Angry Forum is leaking into the lounge. | |||
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"most of the leaders are shit scared of trump ,if he gets results and does a good job lots of them will look like pillocks.....go Donald sort the lot" The Donald is going to sort out our council tax? Wow! | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you?" Do you not pay council tax? | |||
"Has the Politics forum gone?
I was just wondering that. The Angry Forum is leaking into the lounge.
"Definitely, it's all gone rather yuck. | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you? Do you not pay council tax?" Yes I do, what I meant was, a 5% increase woulnt effect it so much. | |||
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You should all go online and look at the STP (Sustainability and Transformation Plan) for your area. The final versions should be ready for the end of March but the ones that had to be submitted to the DoH in October and November will give you an idea of the health and social care budget gap for your area.
Not only do older people take a bigger part of the welfare budget (42%) the costs of looking after them are increasing and putting pressure on council budgets.
That's all of us in a few years so if you think not paying for it is an option I hope you have enough resources to cover all the care costs you will have as you get older. It was about £2k a month for my mother's care.
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"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that!" I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you? Do you not pay council tax?Yes I do, what I meant was, a 5% increase woulnt effect it so much." I thought your thread was about a "Huge rise in council tax" not 5% | |||
"As it's all political in here I'll add something sensible.
You should all go online and look at the STP (Sustainability and Transformation Plan) for your area. The final versions should be ready for the end of March but the ones that had to be submitted to the DoH in October and November will give you an idea of the health and social care budget gap for your area.
Not only do older people take a bigger part of the welfare budget (42%) the costs of looking after them are increasing and putting pressure on council budgets.
That's all of us in a few years so if you think not paying for it is an option I hope you have enough resources to cover all the care costs you will have as you get older. It was about £2k a month for my mother's care.
"The STPs are scary reading  | |||
"As it's all political in here I'll add something sensible.
You should all go online and look at the STP (Sustainability and Transformation Plan) for your area. The final versions should be ready for the end of March but the ones that had to be submitted to the DoH in October and November will give you an idea of the health and social care budget gap for your area.
Not only do older people take a bigger part of the welfare budget (42%) the costs of looking after them are increasing and putting pressure on council budgets.
That's all of us in a few years so if you think not paying for it is an option I hope you have enough resources to cover all the care costs you will have as you get older. It was about £2k a month for my mother's care.
The STPs are scary reading "Very few people seem to know about them. I have made it a personal mission to tell everyone I can to read the one for their area. | |||
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"The STPs are scary reading
Very few people seem to know about them. I have made it a personal mission to tell everyone I can to read the one for their area.
"I know, political ignorance is how many things get through that people don't want. | |||
"Why we talking about Council tax on a swingers site? " Swingers pay council tax | |||
"Why we talking about Council tax on a swingers site? " Don't look on the Politics Forum then.  | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you? Do you not pay council tax?Yes I do, what I meant was, a 5% increase woulnt effect it so much. I thought your thread was about a "Huge rise in council tax" not 5% "Yes, because that was the headline on the news. | |||
"Why we talking about Council tax on a swingers site? Swingers pay council tax "Of course we do but let's talk about something more fun | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you? Do you not pay council tax?Yes I do, what I meant was, a 5% increase woulnt effect it so much. I thought your thread was about a "Huge rise in council tax" not 5% Yes, because that was the headline on the news."Oh, the 'news' isn't worth reading | |||
"Scrap the trident, save billions of pounds? " Yeah, and a few years down the line we will be being paid in roubles comrade! | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? " no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! | |||
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"Scrap the trident, save billions of pounds? " And make thousands of people unemployed, pretty much devastate the economy of a Cumbrian town and lose another engineering capacity of Great Britain, sounds like a great plan... | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you? Do you not pay council tax?Yes I do, what I meant was, a 5% increase woulnt effect it so much. I thought your thread was about a "Huge rise in council tax" not 5% Yes, because that was the headline on the news.
Oh, the 'news' isn't worth reading "particularly if all you can do is read a headline and fail to grasp the content of the actual article.. | |||
"Scrap the trident, save billions of pounds? Yeah, and a few years down the line we will be being paid in roubles comrade! "Yes of course, because a weapon that will never be used is such a huge deterrent to Russia... | |||
"Scrap the trident, save billions of pounds? Yeah, and a few years down the line we will be being paid in roubles comrade!
Yes of course, because a weapon that will never be used is such a huge deterrent to Russia..."and again!...different pot of money!...whether it's spent on trident or something else, it is not going to be evenly distributed amongst all the local councils to provide social care ,that's for sure! | |||
"How much will that effect you Shag?It wouldnt affect me, what about you? Do you not pay council tax?Yes I do, what I meant was, a 5% increase woulnt effect it so much. I thought your thread was about a "Huge rise in council tax" not 5% Yes, because that was the headline on the news.
Oh, the 'news' isn't worth reading "But interesting  | |||
"Scrap the trident, save billions of pounds? Yeah, and a few years down the line we will be being paid in roubles comrade!
Yes of course, because a weapon that will never be used is such a huge deterrent to Russia...
and again!...different pot of money!...whether it's spent on trident or something else, it is not going to be evenly distributed amongst all the local councils to provide social care ,that's for sure!"Still a waste of money that could be used elsewhere. | |||
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"Dont' worry, post-Brexit savings will save the NHS and revive our flailing economy. Oh wait..." exactly...and i'm very curious to know who,post brexit,will be providing the staff for social care...presumably the companies will have to up their game and pay more...which will cost even more.. | |||
"Dont' worry, post-Brexit savings will save the NHS and revive our flailing economy. Oh wait... exactly...and i'm very curious to know who,post brexit,will be providing the staff for social care...presumably the companies will have to up their game and pay more...which will cost even more.." We seem to have created our own self-eating monster | |||
"Dont' worry, post-Brexit savings will save the NHS and revive our flailing economy. Oh wait... exactly...and i'm very curious to know who,post brexit,will be providing the staff for social care...presumably the companies will have to up their game and pay more...which will cost even more.. We seem to have created our own self-eating monster "haven't we just! but as a poster said earlier,we are a wealthy country,people seem to care more about getting a new I phones than how their elderly and needy are cared for! | |||
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"all the people who agree with counciltax rise ane say pay u and shut up you can pay ours if your that keen on it just like to say thanks in advance" insightful...i'm very envious of those who won't ever need any social care, theyre very lucky! | |||
"all the people who agree with counciltax rise ane say pay u and shut up you can pay ours if your that keen on it just like to say thanks in advance insightful...i'm very envious of those who won't ever need any social care, theyre very lucky!" Or any of the services that the local authority provides right now. Free condoms anyone? | |||
"all the people who agree with counciltax rise ane say pay u and shut up you can pay ours if your that keen on it just like to say thanks in advance" Um, okay, I hope I right in assuming this is tongue in cheek | |||
"all the people who agree with counciltax rise ane say pay u and shut up you can pay ours if your that keen on it just like to say thanks in advance Um, okay, I hope I right in assuming this is tongue in cheek "sadly i don't think so... | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well!" I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top " Carers should be notified immediately when calls are cancelled otherwise they can claim for attending the call. Listening to disgruntled employees is not always the best way to gain a true reflection of an industry. | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else " and if the elderly people didn't have any children? Fucking hell, good job you aren't in power really isn't it. | |||
"all the people who agree with counciltax rise ane say pay u and shut up you can pay ours if your that keen on it just like to say thanks in advance Um, okay, I hope I right in assuming this is tongue in cheek
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"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else and if the elderly people didn't have any children? Fucking hell, good job you aren't in power really isn't it. " If I was in power this country be sorted in a week | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top Carers should be notified immediately when calls are cancelled otherwise they can claim for attending the call. Listening to disgruntled employees is not always the best way to gain a true reflection of an industry. " What about if the carers aren't notified immediately? Then the carer goes to the call and realise it has been cancelled, that carer dose not get paid | |||
"There will be a huge rise in council tax, to meet growing demand for social care, about 5% will be added, what is your view or could they cut other things in the budget instead?. iirc councils need to do a referendum to rase them above 2/3%. So i csnt see there being many 5% reises beibg voted in" Just for the point of clarit A) council are allowed to raise council tax by 2% B) they are allowed to raise it further by another 3% only if all the money goes to social care budget C) they are allowed to raise it further... but that would need to go to a local referendum... Surrey were going to be the first when they proposed a 15% increase, they called it off last minute and there are allegations that they were given a sweetheart deal by the government to do so since there are lots of high profile Tory MPs there | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else and if the elderly people didn't have any children? Fucking hell, good job you aren't in power really isn't it. If I was in power this country be sorted in a week " Hitler had similar thoughts. | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else and if the elderly people didn't have any children? Fucking hell, good job you aren't in power really isn't it. If I was in power this country be sorted in a week Hitler had similar thoughts. " And look what happened there I will use a different statagery | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top Carers should be notified immediately when calls are cancelled otherwise they can claim for attending the call. Listening to disgruntled employees is not always the best way to gain a true reflection of an industry. What about if the carers aren't notified immediately? Then the carer goes to the call and realise it has been cancelled, that carer dose not get paid " But they should be notified immediately. Why pay a carer to go to a cancelled call if it's been cancelled? It costs the company money. That carer is usually allocated another call to go to (if another carer goes ill) or they continue their run. I'm not sure why you are so any care company, given that most hospitals are keen to off load their elderly patients back home before they are really well enough to go home and it is the Care Companies, usually, who go in and find their clients poorly again and they have to be re-admitted. If i listened to every story about shoddy nursing and Hospitals that are filthy etc then heck i'd never go near one again, but i'm intelligent to know that it goes on a Health Trust by Health Trust basis and not all are the same. But you carry on slagging off Domicilliary Care if it makes you feel better. | |||
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"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top Carers should be notified immediately when calls are cancelled otherwise they can claim for attending the call. Listening to disgruntled employees is not always the best way to gain a true reflection of an industry. What about if the carers aren't notified immediately? Then the carer goes to the call and realise it has been cancelled, that carer dose not get paid But they should be notified immediately. Why pay a carer to go to a cancelled call if it's been cancelled? It costs the company money. That carer is usually allocated another call to go to (if another carer goes ill) or they continue their run. I'm not sure why you are so any care company, given that most hospitals are keen to off load their elderly patients back home before they are really well enough to go home and it is the Care Companies, usually, who go in and find their clients poorly again and they have to be re-admitted. If i listened to every story about shoddy nursing and Hospitals that are filthy etc then heck i'd never go near one again, but i'm intelligent to know that it goes on a Health Trust by Health Trust basis and not all are the same. But you carry on slagging off Domicilliary Care if it makes you feel better. " I was a dom carer many many years ago before i became a nurse I know what I'm on about, what carers tell me how nothing has changed Many a times I went to calls where they were cancelled. And I wasn't notified. The carers do great jobs, it's the care companies the fat bosses at the top who i am slagging off They say they none profit making companies what a load of bolloxs | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top Carers should be notified immediately when calls are cancelled otherwise they can claim for attending the call. Listening to disgruntled employees is not always the best way to gain a true reflection of an industry. What about if the carers aren't notified immediately? Then the carer goes to the call and realise it has been cancelled, that carer dose not get paid But they should be notified immediately. Why pay a carer to go to a cancelled call if it's been cancelled? It costs the company money. That carer is usually allocated another call to go to (if another carer goes ill) or they continue their run. I'm not sure why you are so any care company, given that most hospitals are keen to off load their elderly patients back home before they are really well enough to go home and it is the Care Companies, usually, who go in and find their clients poorly again and they have to be re-admitted. If i listened to every story about shoddy nursing and Hospitals that are filthy etc then heck i'd never go near one again, but i'm intelligent to know that it goes on a Health Trust by Health Trust basis and not all are the same. But you carry on slagging off Domicilliary Care if it makes you feel better. I was a dom carer many many years ago before i became a nurse I know what I'm on about, what carers tell me how nothing has changed Many a times I went to calls where they were cancelled. And I wasn't notified. The carers do great jobs, it's the care companies the fat bosses at the top who i am slagging off They say they none profit making companies what a load of bolloxs " ass you say,you worked for one many many years ago...things have changed dramatically...as the poster in Wales said earlier,these companies are all vying for the same amount of business,they have to compete with each other...there are far far more of these companies now as the need has grown for domicilary care...they are not raking in millions anymore..they make a very tidy profit,but not by any means making milions,im afraid thats rubbish. nowadays carers are expected to do a lot more,ongoing training, that costs money. as for cancelled calls..these people need to look at their contracts..if its not in their contract then maybe they need to address that,or move to another company...i personally dont know of any around my area that doesnt pay for a short notice cancellation. | |||
"Or look after your own parents like they do In other countries Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese etc look after their own in this country Only British people dump the elderly onto someone else untrue...the US and most european countries are all having the same issues...if most of us give up our jobs,then fine,that would sort out the problem to a certain extent..but then you still have to consider the disabled, children with special needs,those with no relatives..it's not as simple as that! I agree the disabled and special needs need extra care and I don't mind paying extra tax But I'm on about these care companies who are raking it in and they are If a call is cancelled the company still charges the client if the client dont give the company 24hrs notice The carer goes unaware the call is cancelled The carer dosent have any money for going but the company dose Why don't these companies put that money back onto the system? no,they are not 'raking 'it in....not for many many years. as for cancelling visits, you will have signed a contract at the start of the care package that clearly explains that,if you don't like it, find one with a different company. The one i work for and others i know of do pay us token amount if a call is cancelled within 24 hrs. As for putting the money back in...i don't know what you mean?...they are companies, not public charities..someone has to be paid for admin,co-ordinating, answering phones, visiting clients to assess their needs before any care is in place, staff training. Are you seriously suggesting a private company should hand over any profit they make to the government? really?...so why should any other companies not do the same? M&S, Virgin?...non-profit business is a wonderful,Utopian idea but it's not going to happen....i'm not for a moment defending the shit pay,zero hours contracts etc at all,but if they are changed for the better, which they should be..then you must also see the cost will go up much much higher as well! I dont work for a care company I work for the NHS in a nurse It's what the carers tell me And yes they are raking it in You don't know what goes on at the top Carers should be notified immediately when calls are cancelled otherwise they can claim for attending the call. Listening to disgruntled employees is not always the best way to gain a true reflection of an industry. What about if the carers aren't notified immediately? Then the carer goes to the call and realise it has been cancelled, that carer dose not get paid But they should be notified immediately. Why pay a carer to go to a cancelled call if it's been cancelled? It costs the company money. That carer is usually allocated another call to go to (if another carer goes ill) or they continue their run. I'm not sure why you are so any care company, given that most hospitals are keen to off load their elderly patients back home before they are really well enough to go home and it is the Care Companies, usually, who go in and find their clients poorly again and they have to be re-admitted. If i listened to every story about shoddy nursing and Hospitals that are filthy etc then heck i'd never go near one again, but i'm intelligent to know that it goes on a Health Trust by Health Trust basis and not all are the same. But you carry on slagging off Domicilliary Care if it makes you feel better. I was a dom carer many many years ago before i became a nurse I know what I'm on about, what carers tell me how nothing has changed Many a times I went to calls where they were cancelled. And I wasn't notified. The carers do great jobs, it's the care companies the fat bosses at the top who i am slagging off They say they none profit making companies what a load of bolloxs ass you say,you worked for one many many years ago...things have changed dramatically...as the poster in Wales said earlier,these companies are all vying for the same amount of business,they have to compete with each other...there are far far more of these companies now as the need has grown for domicilary care...they are not raking in millions anymore..they make a very tidy profit,but not by any means making milions,im afraid thats rubbish. nowadays carers are expected to do a lot more,ongoing training, that costs money. as for cancelled calls..these people need to look at their contracts..if its not in their contract then maybe they need to address that,or move to another company...i personally dont know of any around my area that doesnt pay for a short notice cancellation." They are still making millions and I don't live in Wales I already work for the NHS which is much better working conditions and pay Going back on topic I don't mind paying the 5% tax for social care but it all go on social care though because the fat bosses will get 3% of it | |||
"How about overseas aid?...look after our own first!!!!" Couldn't have put it better myself!!! | |||
"I agree totally with the above, but I find it so frustrating when I see the amount of money given away to so called developing countries..India for instance..they have a bigger space programme than the U.K...how are they a developing country??..??" | |||
"How about overseas aid?...look after our own first!!!! Couldn't have put it better myself!!! " as has been said repeatedly...local council budgets, from your council tax, is not being given to overseas aid initiatives! it is completely unrelated! | |||
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"Any increase in tax is unjustified. They'll only spend the money on themselves and extra "CCTV" to take care of the community. Pah!!! Just try avoid paying the council tax and those buggers come down on you like a ton of bricks. Some of these council geezers get a higher salary than the Prime Minister. I say bring back traditional lamp posts and string them all up." maybe contact your local council as they are obliged to provide, if asked, a full,clear breakdown of how they spend their/your money..and then work out exactly how you would try and pay for care when and if you need it! | |||
"Any increase in tax is unjustified. They'll only spend the money on themselves and extra "CCTV" to take care of the community. Pah!!! Just try avoid paying the council tax and those buggers come down on you like a ton of bricks. Some of these council geezers get a higher salary than the Prime Minister. I say bring back traditional lamp posts and string them all up. maybe contact your local council as they are obliged to provide, if asked, a full,clear breakdown of how they spend their/your money..and then work out exactly how you would try and pay for care when and if you need it!" | |||
"How about overseas aid?...look after our own first!!!! Couldn't have put it better myself!!! as has been said repeatedly...local council budgets, from your council tax, is not being given to overseas aid initiatives! it is completely unrelated!" Well its not toally unrelated. The council tax is being raised as the burden of paying for aome things is being moved from the government to the council's to make cuts. You could argue very easily that more frugal government spending would have meant this was unessecery | |||
"How about overseas aid?...look after our own first!!!! Couldn't have put it better myself!!! as has been said repeatedly...local council budgets, from your council tax, is not being given to overseas aid initiatives! it is completely unrelated! Well its not toally unrelated. The council tax is being raised as the burden of paying for aome things is being moved from the government to the council's to make cuts. You could argue very easily that more frugal government spending would have meant this was unessecery" they have gradually moved some things from central govt to local over the last few years...more frugal spending would obviously have made a difference, but that is not what has happened...the reality is that your local council is responsible for it and you will have to pay if you want to avail yourself of the benefits ..the stark fact is that people are living far longer than any previous generation, and either we provide care out of our own pockets one way or another..or we all go the Soylent Green' route! | |||
"How about overseas aid?...look after our own first!!!! Couldn't have put it better myself!!! as has been said repeatedly...local council budgets, from your council tax, is not being given to overseas aid initiatives! it is completely unrelated! Well its not toally unrelated. The council tax is being raised as the burden of paying for aome things is being moved from the government to the council's to make cuts. You could argue very easily that more frugal government spending would have meant this was unessecery they have gradually moved some things from central govt to local over the last few years...more frugal spending would obviously have made a difference, but that is not what has happened...the reality is that your local council is responsible for it and you will have to pay if you want to avail yourself of the benefits ..the stark fact is that people are living far longer than any previous generation, and either we provide care out of our own pockets one way or another..or we all go the Soylent Green' route!" We had to pay for it before. And unless theres been an income tax cut we're now paying for it on top of what we where paying before. Cou cil tax is one of the most unfair taxes and frabkly we should be moving away from funding from it but moving to central taxation. For the obvious reason a council with a lot of socil care needs is going to have very high outgoings and very low income. | |||
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"I think HMRC need to clamp down more on tax avoiders!! There are still to many people not contributing to society." Evaders surely? Or are you wanting to punish everyone with an ISA? | |||
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"I recently met a lovely elderly couple, they have worked all their lives. The wife suffers from dementia and gets violent at times with the husband, he now can't handle the situation and needs to put her in a care home. The sad thing is they can't afford to pay for the care, the local government can't give the full amount for her care. If me paying a bit more means people like this get the help they need, then I really don't mind at all. As one day it could be me needing the help." Do they not take the outstanding cost of care from the estate after they've died? | |||
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