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"May" Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? " whats it got to do with him? | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? whats it got to do with him?" You're right, nothing, so we'll ignore his lies to the electorate, and listen to the EU instead   | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? " Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going " Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? " sorry for interrupting but has something bad happened that only you know about? | |||
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"May sorry for interrupting but has something bad happened that only you know about?" Brexit  | |||
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"May sorry for interrupting but has something bad happened that only you know about? Brexit "no, I said bad | |||
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"If it says we MAY not get the waters back it's also means we MAYget them back so why the moan wen no one knows yet so why the panic ?" Because many people voted based on the propaganda they were fed that we would "take back control". And if we 'may' or 'may not' get waters back, then what has been pointed out is that the UK might not be able to take back control in this aspect. -Matt | |||
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"If it says we MAY not get the waters back it's also means we MAYget them back so why the moan wen no one knows yet so why the panic ?" It's just more Project Fear scaremongering from the usual morons. They're best ignored. | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides " But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? Did you know that the £350m a week for the NHS was rubbish? Did you know that inflation was going to rise? Did you know that Sterling was going to crash? Did you know that we would need £92bn of monetary and fiscal policy measures? Did you know that a £700m blackhole would appear in our defence budget? Did you know that UK academics would be excluded from research projects? Did you know that university applications would fall? Did you know that the Department of Energy and Climate Change would be scrapped? Did you know that the pension age was going to increase? | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? " This thing hasn't turned out to be bollocks. Some MEPs have proposed asking for the fishing agreements to stay the same. You've posted it as a given. It isn't. | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? This thing hasn't turned out to be bollocks. Some MEPs have proposed asking for the fishing agreements to stay the same. You've posted it as a given. It isn't." And you deleted out all the other things from my post that have happened? Dont you want to face up to those, is it easier for you to pretend that its not happened? | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? This thing hasn't turned out to be bollocks. Some MEPs have proposed asking for the fishing agreements to stay the same. You've posted it as a given. It isn't. And you deleted out all the other things from my post that have happened? Dont you want to face up to those, is it easier for you to pretend that its not happened?" Well having a thread dealing with 10 points or whatever is clearly nonesense. So let's not divert this one. By all means start new threads on each. So let's deal with them 1 by 1, starting with this latest bit of hysteria. It is a proposal by some MEPs to potentially put in the negotiations for the exit agreement. You have jumped on it, because you like the sound of it. It is a proposal, of which there will be lots. It does not mean it will happen. | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? " why do you spend so much time being negative about and attacking things that havent even been discussed yet, talk about talking a country down,and as usual no answer to the question, so far I am pretty happy with how things have gone and all indicators are pretty good so far, long way to go but I have seen nothing to be think that my vote was wrong | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? " What Farage actually said was that gaining back control of our fishing waters would be a barometer by which he would measure the success of Brexit by. The control of our fishing waters will all be up for negotiations after article 50 is triggered, depending how those negotiations develop we may get control over our fishing waters back or we may not. Do you even understand how the concept of a negotiation works? (It seems you don't from your posts). Also Farage is not the Prime minister or even in the government, he won't be part of the government's negotiations team and he wasn't even part of the official 'Vote Leave' campaign (he was in the Grassroots out campaign and the Leave.EU campaign). However if Farage was involved in the negotiations I suspect a red line for him would be the UK having full control over its own territorial fishing waters. | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? why do you spend so much time being negative about and attacking things that havent even been discussed yet, talk about talking a country down,and as usual no answer to the question, so far I am pretty happy with how things have gone and all indicators are pretty good so far, long way to go but I have seen nothing to be think that my vote was wrong" You really need me to answer if Farage was or is PM? That's the question that you are dying to know the answer too? Or is it about negotiations? Yes I know how they work, unlike a lot here who believe you never tell the otherside what you want, which is quite frankly ridiculous. I can't believe any successful negotiation has ever worked based upon the other party successfully reading your mind and giving you that. | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? why do you spend so much time being negative about and attacking things that havent even been discussed yet, talk about talking a country down,and as usual no answer to the question, so far I am pretty happy with how things have gone and all indicators are pretty good so far, long way to go but I have seen nothing to be think that my vote was wrong You really need me to answer if Farage was or is PM? That's the question that you are dying to know the answer too? Or is it about negotiations? Yes I know how they work, unlike a lot here who believe you never tell the otherside what you want, which is quite frankly ridiculous. I can't believe any successful negotiation has ever worked based upon the other party successfully reading your mind and giving you that. " What we do know is that David Cameron's attempt at renegotiation with the EU was pathetic and turned into a complete failure. If there is a model out there of how not to do a negotiation it's clueless Cameron's negotiation model. | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? why do you spend so much time being negative about and attacking things that havent even been discussed yet, talk about talking a country down,and as usual no answer to the question, so far I am pretty happy with how things have gone and all indicators are pretty good so far, long way to go but I have seen nothing to be think that my vote was wrong You really need me to answer if Farage was or is PM? That's the question that you are dying to know the answer too? Or is it about negotiations? Yes I know how they work, unlike a lot here who believe you never tell the otherside what you want, which is quite frankly ridiculous. I can't believe any successful negotiation has ever worked based upon the other party successfully reading your mind and giving you that. " ..... You don't tell the other side what you want until you sit at the table and then negotiate. | |||
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"May Did Farage say that we would get control back, or that we may get control back? Is he or was he PM at any point ? Seeing how we havent even triggered A50 yet anything is just guess work as to what may happen, do you understand what negeotiations are ? It must be a really dark place you live in looking at the worse case senario every day perhaps some medication would help, why dont you start some threads about real here and now problems such as housing costs, dealing with old age or how to get the brits to fill all the jobs going Why do you devote so much time and energy to attacking me personally instead of facing up to the consequences of your own actions? why do you spend so much time being negative about and attacking things that havent even been discussed yet, talk about talking a country down,and as usual no answer to the question, so far I am pretty happy with how things have gone and all indicators are pretty good so far, long way to go but I have seen nothing to be think that my vote was wrong You really need me to answer if Farage was or is PM? That's the question that you are dying to know the answer too? Or is it about negotiations? Yes I know how they work, unlike a lot here who believe you never tell the otherside what you want, which is quite frankly ridiculous. I can't believe any successful negotiation has ever worked based upon the other party successfully reading your mind and giving you that. ..... You don't tell the other side what you want until you sit at the table and then negotiate." You don't even get to sit at the table unless you tell them what you want to talk about at the table. | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do." As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements. | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements." ....do what the Spanish do..ignore any agreements put in place..like they do all the time.. an agreement was put in place for them to stop fishing in Portuguese waters..but they ignored it. | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements." Your premise is false. The uk can control it's own fishing waters and still meet its commitments on sustainable fishing to abide by United Nations rules and we can still meet our international agreements with regards to that. As said on the thread control of our territorial fishing waters will be part of negotiations once article 50 is triggered. You've still not answered the question Bunandbuck put forward.....is what you've said just a proposal put forward by some MEP's? A simple yes or No will do. By the same token Ukip MEP's could table their own proposal that the UK should have full control over its own territorial fishing waters, and still abide by United Nations rules on sustainable fishing. It would still only be a proposal. | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements.....do what the Spanish do..ignore any agreements put in place..like they do all the time.. an agreement was put in place for them to stop fishing in Portuguese waters..but they ignored it. " As they continue to ignore the UK's boundary on territorial waters around Gibraltar. | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements." aka 'Yes' it is a proposal. So the thread is flawed form the outset. Also, you have jumped to a wrong conclusion in your paragraph. 'Sticking with what we've got' is just one solution, there are others aka we control what we do and how. For example, do you think discard of dead fish is a good implementation? I don't, it is obscene. What do you think about discarding caught fish? Is there a better way? | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements. aka 'Yes' it is a proposal. So the thread is flawed form the outset. Also, you have jumped to a wrong conclusion in your paragraph. 'Sticking with what we've got' is just one solution, there are others aka we control what we do and how. For example, do you think discard of dead fish is a good implementation? I don't, it is obscene. What do you think about discarding caught fish? Is there a better way?" You're like trump! If someone disagrees with you you just pretend that they do agree with you! | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements. aka 'Yes' it is a proposal. So the thread is flawed form the outset. Also, you have jumped to a wrong conclusion in your paragraph. 'Sticking with what we've got' is just one solution, there are others aka we control what we do and how. For example, do you think discard of dead fish is a good implementation? I don't, it is obscene. What do you think about discarding caught fish? Is there a better way? You're like trump! If someone disagrees with you you just pretend that they do agree with you! "....give us an example of this. | |||
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"OP, you are conveniently going off-topic. Would you agree, at the moment it is just a proposal some MEPs want to put on the negotiating table? A yes or no will do. As it says in the article: "...in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing – contained within the United Nations stocks agreement – “it is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy”" So we can either stick with what we've got, or start breaking our international agreements. aka 'Yes' it is a proposal. So the thread is flawed form the outset. Also, you have jumped to a wrong conclusion in your paragraph. 'Sticking with what we've got' is just one solution, there are others aka we control what we do and how. For example, do you think discard of dead fish is a good implementation? I don't, it is obscene. What do you think about discarding caught fish? Is there a better way? You're like trump! If someone disagrees with you you just pretend that they do agree with you! "Sorry, I must have mis-understood you. So are you answering 'No it is not a proposal, it is what will happen' ? | |||
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"Bit fucking late to flag these things up after we can't do anything about them as a population. Such as realise this is a bad idea and soft or no brexit is now what we'd really prefer, Mrs May. " ....the majority prefer hard brexit. | |||
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"Bit fucking late to flag these things up after we can't do anything about them as a population. Such as realise this is a bad idea and soft or no brexit is now what we'd really prefer, Mrs May. ....the majority prefer hard brexit." It's what Teresa May has outlined in her Brexit speech at Lancaster house. I for one think it is the right way forward, Teresa May deserves a huge amount of credit. | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? Did you know that the £350m a week for the NHS was rubbish? Did you know that inflation was going to rise? Did you know that Sterling was going to crash? Did you know that we would need £92bn of monetary and fiscal policy measures? Did you know that a £700m blackhole would appear in our defence budget? Did you know that UK academics would be excluded from research projects? Did you know that university applications would fall? Did you know that the Department of Energy and Climate Change would be scrapped? Did you know that the pension age was going to increase?" Did you know that the £350m a week for the NHS was rubbish? Yes - apparently you're the only one that didn't. Did you know that inflation was going to rise? Yes - the BoE has been telling us this for the last 4 or 5 years. Did you know that Sterling was going to crash? The IMF, the OECD AND the BoE all said before the referendum that sterling was overvalued by up to 20% Did you know that we would need £92bn of monetary and fiscal policy measures? And yet the EU are still pumping into their economy £60 Billion PER MONTH Did you know that a £700m blackhole would appear in our defence budget? Did you know that UK academics would be excluded from research projects? And yet the Government is putting in an extra £4.7 Billion into R&D between now and 2020 - an increase of 20%. This will be stbilised at £2 Billion p.a. from 2020. The EU puts in £730 p.a. Did you know that university applications would fall? And yet universities are oversubscribed - again. Did you know that the Department of Energy and Climate Change would be scrapped? Would you like to also comment about the way in which climate change scientists and experts have been falsifying data for years? (What's that? Fake News?!!!) "The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever" Did you know that the pension age was going to increase? Yes, we've been told this for years, and it is inevitable with longer life expectations. Now maybe you could tell us the following Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget? Where is the immediate recession? Where is the stock market collapse? Where is the 20% fall in house prices? Where is the predicted war? Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')? Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020? Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote? Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages? | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? Did you know that the £350m a week for the NHS was rubbish? Did you know that inflation was going to rise? Did you know that Sterling was going to crash? Did you know that we would need £92bn of monetary and fiscal policy measures? Did you know that a £700m blackhole would appear in our defence budget? Did you know that UK academics would be excluded from research projects? Did you know that university applications would fall? Did you know that the Department of Energy and Climate Change would be scrapped? Did you know that the pension age was going to increase? Did you know that the £350m a week for the NHS was rubbish? Yes - apparently you're the only one that didn't. Did you know that inflation was going to rise? Yes - the BoE has been telling us this for the last 4 or 5 years. Did you know that Sterling was going to crash? The IMF, the OECD AND the BoE all said before the referendum that sterling was overvalued by up to 20% Did you know that we would need £92bn of monetary and fiscal policy measures? And yet the EU are still pumping into their economy £60 Billion PER MONTH Did you know that a £700m blackhole would appear in our defence budget? Did you know that UK academics would be excluded from research projects? And yet the Government is putting in an extra £4.7 Billion into R&D between now and 2020 - an increase of 20%. This will be stbilised at £2 Billion p.a. from 2020. The EU puts in £730 p.a. Did you know that university applications would fall? And yet universities are oversubscribed - again. Did you know that the Department of Energy and Climate Change would be scrapped? Would you like to also comment about the way in which climate change scientists and experts have been falsifying data for years? (What's that? Fake News?!!!) "The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever" Did you know that the pension age was going to increase? Yes, we've been told this for years, and it is inevitable with longer life expectations. Now maybe you could tell us the following Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget? Don't Know Where is the immediate recession? In the immediate future Where is the stock market collapse? Where you last left it. Where is the 20% fall in house prices? I better get ready to buy! Where is the predicted war? We're already at war! Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')? If Nato is going pants, do we need an army? Or is this a band :s Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020? Fuck it's happened already? Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote? Don't know Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages? Did you get a pay rise in Jan? I did (4%). " Since people hate experts. I'll give it a go  . | |||
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"Nice work on moving the subject away from the misleading original post OP "Thread subjeccts rarely stay on topic! | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard" The whole world knew that Farage would not be involved in the negotiations and anyway,we do not know the results of the final settlement with the EU. You are just a totally negative non democratic person who likes to read only one side of the argument which is all crap as I keep telling you,nobody knows what will will happen and you don't- idiot | |||
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"Nice work on moving the subject away from the misleading original post OP
Thread subjeccts rarely stay on topic!"Especially when the OP goes out of their way to make sure it goes off topic. | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!!" What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? " The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry" You didn't answer the question | |||
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"Looking on the politics forum has become boring, it's the same person saying negative news which they read from same type of media which wanted us to stay in the EU. A lot of us who voted for brexit wanted a hard brexit that means just trading in imports and exports with no secret meetings with the EU. " Clearly youve no frigging idea how our economy works have you? | |||
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"Bit fucking late to flag these things up after we can't do anything about them as a population. Such as realise this is a bad idea and soft or no brexit is now what we'd really prefer, Mrs May. ....the majority prefer hard brexit." Not according to recent polls they dont...... | |||
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"Bit fucking late to flag these things up after we can't do anything about them as a population. Such as realise this is a bad idea and soft or no brexit is now what we'd really prefer, Mrs May. ....the majority prefer hard brexit. Not according to recent polls they dont......" Well the polls are in the EU. Warsaw is an awesome place. | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardThe whole world knew that Farage would not be involved in the negotiations and anyway,we do not know the results of the final settlement with the EU. You are just a totally negative non democratic person who likes to read only one side of the argument which is all crap as I keep telling you,nobody knows what will will happen and you don't- idiot" Yet the basis for your post implies that you do know better than the OP and you do know what the outcome of Brexit will be..... | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question" And neither did you. | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you." Congrats you're both qualified to be a politician. | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you." I asked the question | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry" Like the farmers who voted to leave and are now whining about needing EU labour to get the crops in. | |||
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" You didn't answer the question" You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. | |||
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"You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea." I'll answer: I am... It may seem wasteful but remember just about all fish eat fish therefore what goes back gets quickly recycled. As well as this we have to remember why all the quotas and minimum fish and net sizes were introduce. Prior to regulation many of the traditional fisheries had been fished out and populations had collapsed. The truth is that although stock levels are recovering they are nowhere near as healthy as they need to be. Therefore we can neither relax or change the regulations unless we wish to return to the fishing stock crisis of the 70's. | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea." Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? " Translation: 'I don't actually like discard, but don't want to say so, because I won't say anything critical about the EU, ever' . I'm saying I don't like the policy, and look forward to us being able to change it to a system that manages fish stocks in a sensible way. Since you haven't mentioned it, I guess it is accepted that the actual original post is now debunked? | |||
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"Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? " Across most of the world they do not have quotas or dump fish. Across most of the world the nets are in creasing in size (volume) and becoming finer. Across most of the world shallow water inshore fisheries that used to support coastal communities are becoming baron and the race is on to hoover up the last remaining fish. The EU CFP has been a beacon of light in an otherwise bleak seascape. There is a reason why the Russians and Chinese have factory ships and distant fishing fleets to keep them supplied in the north and South Atlantic, its because they have already destroyed their home water fisheries. | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question "Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)... Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget? Where is the immediate recession? Where is the stock market collapse? Where is the 20% fall in house prices? Where is the predicted war? Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')? Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020? Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote? Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages? | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?".... | |||
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"It is a proposal by MEPs to put in the exit agreement. i.e the agreement that is going to be negotiated over the next 2 years. They could put in a proposal for increased immigration, free access to the NHS for all eu citizens and doubling of the membership fee. That is why it says 'May' . e.g a non-story for most people, but great wank fodder for some." Exactly this.
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?.... "Can we please keep this as the last post until it answered!!!!!! Xx | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?....
Can we please keep this as the last post until it answered!!!!!! Xx ".......totally agree. | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? Translation: 'I don't actually like discard, but don't want to say so, because I won't say anything critical about the EU, ever' . I'm saying I don't like the policy, and look forward to us being able to change it to a system that manages fish stocks in a sensible way. Since you haven't mentioned it, I guess it is accepted that the actual original post is now debunked?" Well you have failed to provide any evidence that the discards are purely a result of the EU, and not a fairly normal part of fishing. How about I provide you with evidence to the contrary and maybe you will change your mind after reading it. This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? Translation: 'I don't actually like discard, but don't want to say so, because I won't say anything critical about the EU, ever' . I'm saying I don't like the policy, and look forward to us being able to change it to a system that manages fish stocks in a sensible way. Since you haven't mentioned it, I guess it is accepted that the actual original post is now debunked? Well you have failed to provide any evidence that the discards are purely a result of the EU, and not a fairly normal part of fishing. How about I provide you with evidence to the contrary and maybe you will change your mind after reading it. This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it?" Yep - what you want is floating quotas, the Kiwis are quite good at this apparently. | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it?" All the discard you have listed is catch of 'unwanted' or 'uneconomic ' bycatch. We are throwing back good cod because landing it is not allowed. It is a problem acknowledged by most people ( not you of course). The debunking comes from the fact that you have posted the story as a fact of what is going to happen. But for the people who bothered to read it, it turns out to be a euro MEP proposal for the negotiations i.e a million miles from a given. Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod? | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? All the discard you have listed is catch of 'unwanted' or 'uneconomic ' bycatch. We are throwing back good cod because landing it is not allowed. It is a problem acknowledged by most people ( not you of course). The debunking comes from the fact that you have posted the story as a fact of what is going to happen. But for the people who bothered to read it, it turns out to be a euro MEP proposal for the negotiations i.e a million miles from a given. Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod?" So you believe that a boat goes out. Catches all the cod its allowed, and then, instead of returning and selling that cod whilst its fresh, the boat stays out, keep on fishing, keeps on burning diesel, keeps on paying the crew (who aren't paid by share), and then that boat pulls up its nets, full of cod, and then dumps them back in the sea, again and again and again?  | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? All the discard you have listed is catch of 'unwanted' or 'uneconomic ' bycatch. We are throwing back good cod because landing it is not allowed. It is a problem acknowledged by most people ( not you of course). The debunking comes from the fact that you have posted the story as a fact of what is going to happen. But for the people who bothered to read it, it turns out to be a euro MEP proposal for the negotiations i.e a million miles from a given. Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod? So you believe that a boat goes out. Catches all the cod its allowed, and then, instead of returning and selling that cod whilst its fresh, the boat stays out, keep on fishing, keeps on burning diesel, keeps on paying the crew (who aren't paid by share), and then that boat pulls up its nets, full of cod, and then dumps them back in the sea, again and again and again? "If it's met its cod quota, that's exactly what it does. It has quotas of other species to catch. | |||
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" Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod? So you believe that a boat goes out. Catches all the cod its allowed, and then, instead of returning and selling that cod whilst its fresh, the boat stays out, keep on fishing, keeps on burning diesel, keeps on paying the crew (who aren't paid by share), and then that boat pulls up its nets, full of cod, and then dumps them back in the sea, again and again and again? "Call me old fashioned, but you didn't answer if you were happy with the current method. You just fired in a different question. I'll actually do what is called an answer:- Yes, thats what they do, trawling for species they are allowed to land. The cod go back in the sea dead. Please answer now. Do you think that is the best way? | |||
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" Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod? So you believe that a boat goes out. Catches all the cod its allowed, and then, instead of returning and selling that cod whilst its fresh, the boat stays out, keep on fishing, keeps on burning diesel, keeps on paying the crew (who aren't paid by share), and then that boat pulls up its nets, full of cod, and then dumps them back in the sea, again and again and again?
Call me old fashioned, but you didn't answer if you were happy with the current method. You just fired in a different question.
I'll actually do what is called an answer:-
Yes, thats what they do, trawling for species they are allowed to land. The cod go back in the sea dead.
Please answer now. Do you think that is the best way?"I think he is possibly unable to think for himself and is trawling the internet for an answer. Discarding valid material until he finds the response he wants | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? All the discard you have listed is catch of 'unwanted' or 'uneconomic ' bycatch. We are throwing back good cod because landing it is not allowed. It is a problem acknowledged by most people ( not you of course). The debunking comes from the fact that you have posted the story as a fact of what is going to happen. But for the people who bothered to read it, it turns out to be a euro MEP proposal for the negotiations i.e a million miles from a given. Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod? So you believe that a boat goes out. Catches all the cod its allowed, and then, instead of returning and selling that cod whilst its fresh, the boat stays out, keep on fishing, keeps on burning diesel, keeps on paying the crew (who aren't paid by share), and then that boat pulls up its nets, full of cod, and then dumps them back in the sea, again and again and again? "Not quite as bad as that but not far short. As an typical example: A boat has not reached its quota for, lets say, Cod, but has reached its quota for Haddock. So the said boat, quite rightly, goes out fishing for Cod. Unfortunately the fisheries boffins have yet to invent a sign for the mouth of the net that the Haddock can understand as "only Cod allowed in" I'm sure if they did some numpty would take it to court as "Haddockist" or something. Anyway I digress. As the fishing boat trundles up and down the North Sea catching a fair few Cod in the process, those bloody stupid Haddock go and bollox it right up by swimming into the net. When the net comes back on board the fisherman thinks well that is a nice load of Cod, but if I take those Haddock back into port the "Fishstasi" will be waiting to prosecute and fine me into bankruptcy. So the fisherman shovels perfectly good Haddock over the side. Oh and don't think they swim off happily to fight another day, they are dead and the only happy chappies in the whole bloody story are hungry seagulls. There will always be what the fishermen call "rubbish fish" in every net so there will also always be some discarded fish. However I will bet that all those country's that you quote (with maybe, but only maybe, the USA as an exception) only discard fish with no commercial value. Unlike the lamentably stupid EU that not only condones this practise but forces it onto hard working fishermen. The common fisheries policy is nothing more than a typical EU dogs breakfast designed only to keep political ego's well and truly polished. It has never done anything remotely useful for fishermen or conservation. What will happen after Brexit? Who knows how the negotiations will go, but let's leave it at that rather than, as you so like to do, jumping to bloody stupid and ill founded conclusions from one newspaper report about an internal memo that basically says sod all. | |||
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" You didn't answer the question You haven't answered whether you are in favour of the current system we have to follow , where thousands of tons of dead fish are dumped back into the sea. Is that the nature of the fishing industry itself, or EU rules? Are you saying the non-EU fishermen across the whole of the rest of the world dump 0 tons of dead fish? This evidence is from the Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations. Bangladesh has discard rates of around 80%. Madagascar has discard rates of 72%. Morocco has discard rate of 45%. Brazil has discard rate of 22-33%. Trinidad & Tobago has a discard rate of 70-90%. USA has discard rate of 44-83%. Canada discard rates 8-22% Japan has a discard rate of 14.2%, Mexico discard rates 46-76%. Western Water (fished by Irish, French, Spanish and UK fleets) discard rate 60%, North Sea discard rate 20-50%. I think that this would prove to anyone, that discards are not purely an EU problem, or caused solely by the CFP. You have also failed to produce any evidence that leaving the EU will have any impact on discards by the UK fleet. With regards to the OP, how have you debunked it? Has anyone on this thread posted any actual proof or evidence that its incorrect? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? All the discard you have listed is catch of 'unwanted' or 'uneconomic ' bycatch. We are throwing back good cod because landing it is not allowed. It is a problem acknowledged by most people ( not you of course). The debunking comes from the fact that you have posted the story as a fact of what is going to happen. But for the people who bothered to read it, it turns out to be a euro MEP proposal for the negotiations i.e a million miles from a given. Ok I've answered. So now your turn. Are you happy with our current method of fish stock management i.e discarding cod? So you believe that a boat goes out. Catches all the cod its allowed, and then, instead of returning and selling that cod whilst its fresh, the boat stays out, keep on fishing, keeps on burning diesel, keeps on paying the crew (who aren't paid by share), and then that boat pulls up its nets, full of cod, and then dumps them back in the sea, again and again and again?
Not quite as bad as that but not far short.
As an typical example: A boat has not reached its quota for, lets say, Cod, but has reached its quota for Haddock. So the said boat, quite rightly, goes out fishing for Cod.
Unfortunately the fisheries boffins have yet to invent a sign for the mouth of the net that the Haddock can understand as "only Cod allowed in" I'm sure if they did some numpty would take it to court as "Haddockist" or something.
Anyway I digress. As the fishing boat trundles up and down the North Sea catching a fair few Cod in the process, those bloody stupid Haddock go and bollox it right up by swimming into the net.
When the net comes back on board the fisherman thinks well that is a nice load of Cod, but if I take those Haddock back into port the "Fishstasi" will be waiting to prosecute and fine me into bankruptcy.
So the fisherman shovels perfectly good Haddock over the side. Oh and don't think they swim off happily to fight another day, they are dead and the only happy chappies in the whole bloody story are hungry seagulls.
There will always be what the fishermen call "rubbish fish" in every net so there will also always be some discarded fish.
However I will bet that all those country's that you quote (with maybe, but only maybe, the USA as an exception) only discard fish with no commercial value. Unlike the lamentably stupid EU that not only condones this practise but forces it onto hard working fishermen.
The common fisheries policy is nothing more than a typical EU dogs breakfast designed only to keep political ego's well and truly polished. It has never done anything remotely useful for fishermen or conservation.
What will happen after Brexit? Who knows how the negotiations will go, but let's leave it at that rather than, as you so like to do, jumping to bloody stupid and ill founded conclusions from one newspaper report about an internal memo that basically says sod all." That is what is known as thinking for yourself, something some I have noticed are unable to do. Well analysed and put | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardThe whole world knew that Farage would not be involved in the negotiations and anyway,we do not know the results of the final settlement with the EU. You are just a totally negative non democratic person who likes to read only one side of the argument which is all crap as I keep telling you,nobody knows what will will happen and you don't- idiot Yet the basis for your post implies that you do know better than the OP and you do know what the outcome of Brexit will be....." In what part of that post, Did you see that implication? In fact,the post clearly states, "Nobody knows what will happen" Maybe it's just me,but I saw that as implying, Nobody knows what will happen. . Please explain,in what way, did you see that as any kind of implication,that the poster thought they knew better??? Please.  | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard" Farage gave alternate facts as trump would put it. However, at least they will be able to fish from more areas now. (Remainer, don't shoot me) | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Farage gave alternate facts as trump would put it. However, at least they will be able to fish from more areas now. (Remainer, don't shoot me) " UK boats will be able to fish more areas now? Well they wont be able to fish in the EU waters that they have been fishing for a generation. | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Farage gave alternate facts as trump would put it. However, at least they will be able to fish from more areas now. (Remainer, don't shoot me) UK boats will be able to fish more areas now? Well they wont be able to fish in the EU waters that they have been fishing for a generation." So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ? | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Farage gave alternate facts as trump would put it. However, at least they will be able to fish from more areas now. (Remainer, don't shoot me) UK boats will be able to fish more areas now? Well they wont be able to fish in the EU waters that they have been fishing for a generation. So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ? "You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP? What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption? | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption? "You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers"So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not? My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters. | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters. "And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish? | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
"The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you? | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you? "Which waters? Be specific please. Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership? Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med. | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med."Non-British EU waters. | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med.
Non-British EU waters. "Sorry not good enough. Are you meaning Norway? Certainly not the Med. The Baltic? maybe. The Channel? That's half Britain's anyway. Have you actually looked at a map of EU waters and then worked out how British boats would get to these grounds (if they even wanted to or had the boats capable of going) and from which ports? How many long distance boats do you think Britain has these days? The few that are left are mostly either Dutch or Spanish quota hoppers. The vast majority of the (real) British fleet are what are known as "inshore boats" that maybe fish for only a day or two before returning to port. Even accepting your figure of 111,000 tonnes (which I don't because with your figures there is always a catch) do you realise how small that is when divided up? Thirty or forty boats could catch that, and as above most will be quota hoppers anyway. The Vidal family mean anything to you? You are just spouting your usual nonsense and I would much prefer to believe the guys that actually go out and risk their lives on a daily basis and against the odds put fish on our table. Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave. I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME. | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med.
Non-British EU waters.
Sorry not good enough.
Are you meaning Norway?
Certainly not the Med.
The Baltic? maybe.
The Channel? That's half Britain's anyway.
Have you actually looked at a map of EU waters and then worked out how British boats would get to these grounds (if they even wanted to or had the boats capable of going) and from which ports?
How many long distance boats do you think Britain has these days? The few that are left are mostly either Dutch or Spanish quota hoppers. The vast majority of the (real) British fleet are what are known as "inshore boats" that maybe fish for only a day or two before returning to port.
Even accepting your figure of 111,000 tonnes (which I don't because with your figures there is always a catch) do you realise how small that is when divided up? Thirty or forty boats could catch that, and as above most will be quota hoppers anyway.
The Vidal family mean anything to you?
You are just spouting your usual nonsense and I would much prefer to believe the guys that actually go out and risk their lives on a daily basis and against the odds put fish on our table. Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave.
I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME. "So what is your actual point? | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med.
Non-British EU waters.
Sorry not good enough.
Are you meaning Norway?
Certainly not the Med.
The Baltic? maybe.
The Channel? That's half Britain's anyway.
Have you actually looked at a map of EU waters and then worked out how British boats would get to these grounds (if they even wanted to or had the boats capable of going) and from which ports?
How many long distance boats do you think Britain has these days? The few that are left are mostly either Dutch or Spanish quota hoppers. The vast majority of the (real) British fleet are what are known as "inshore boats" that maybe fish for only a day or two before returning to port.
Even accepting your figure of 111,000 tonnes (which I don't because with your figures there is always a catch) do you realise how small that is when divided up? Thirty or forty boats could catch that, and as above most will be quota hoppers anyway.
The Vidal family mean anything to you?
You are just spouting your usual nonsense and I would much prefer to believe the guys that actually go out and risk their lives on a daily basis and against the odds put fish on our table. Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave.
I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME.
So what is your actual point? "Don't need to make a point just calling you out on your usual rubbish that you spout on here. In your OP you make sweeping statements based on one report from a remain biased newspaper about an internal memo the actually said little or nothing. There is a big world out there, most of it covered in water, you should have a look at it sometime instead of spouting nonsense on here. Don't expect me to post anything else for a few hours. I'm going back to real life now, although I may take a look later. | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med.
Non-British EU waters.
Sorry not good enough.
Are you meaning Norway?
Certainly not the Med.
The Baltic? maybe.
The Channel? That's half Britain's anyway.
Have you actually looked at a map of EU waters and then worked out how British boats would get to these grounds (if they even wanted to or had the boats capable of going) and from which ports?
How many long distance boats do you think Britain has these days? The few that are left are mostly either Dutch or Spanish quota hoppers. The vast majority of the (real) British fleet are what are known as "inshore boats" that maybe fish for only a day or two before returning to port.
Even accepting your figure of 111,000 tonnes (which I don't because with your figures there is always a catch) do you realise how small that is when divided up? Thirty or forty boats could catch that, and as above most will be quota hoppers anyway.
The Vidal family mean anything to you?
You are just spouting your usual nonsense and I would much prefer to believe the guys that actually go out and risk their lives on a daily basis and against the odds put fish on our table. Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave.
I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME.
So what is your actual point?
Don't need to make a point just calling you out on your usual rubbish that you spout on here.
In your OP you make sweeping statements based on one report from a remain biased newspaper about an internal memo the actually said little or nothing.
There is a big world out there, most of it covered in water, you should have a look at it sometime instead of spouting nonsense on here.
Don't expect me to post anything else for a few hours. I'm going back to real life now, although I may take a look later. "Right, so you didn't have a point then. If you cared so little about the livelihoods of 30-40 vessels when you served on the committee, you probably helped the British fishing industry as much as Farage did sitting on the CFP committee. I hope you managed to attend more than 1 in 40 meetings though. | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard" So what use is an EU memo....if we are no longer in the EU.....if they sent a memo to Argentina would that mean they could go fish their waters with impunity? This has to be one of your daftest posts ever! | |||
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"Come on for gods sake do u realy think the British public r so stupid that they thought everything they heard and read was100percent true on either side I wudnt change my vote even if I knew we wudnt get the waters back and don't think many wud there we AV to b a lot of give and take on both sides But its not just one thing that has turned out to be bollocks though is it? Did you know that the £350m a week for the NHS was rubbish? YES.....because even the message on the bus didn't actually say that! Did you know that inflation was going to rise? YES.....It was in the leaflets. Probably would have anyway Did you know that Sterling was going to crash? Yes...the IMF told us in 2015 that sterling was overvalued by 15-20% Did you know that we would need £92bn of monetary and fiscal policy measures? You are including stuff from 2008 onwards? Did you know that a £700m blackhole would appear in our defence budget? Sod all to do with Brexit or anything else...we still one of a handful of countries meeting our NATO commitments of 2% Did you know that UK academics would be excluded from research projects? Did you know that university applications would fall? They haven't! Did you know that the Department of Energy and Climate Change would be scrapped? And your point is? Did you know that the pension age was going to increase? Yes .. was already in plans which Labour started in 2007 " | |||
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" Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave. I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME. " Well if roughly 9 out of ten fishermen voted leave then it's irrelevant if they gain or lose out on fishing rights because they have got what they voted for so it's a win situation for them either way | |||
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" Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave. I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME. Well if roughly 9 out of ten fishermen voted leave then it's irrelevant if they gain or lose out on fishing rights because they have got what they voted for so it's a win situation for them either way "Of course we have to accept this 9 out of 10 statistic about fishermen, but it you say that Leave voters were more likely to be older, and less likely to have a degree, then many Leavers will say that no one knows how anyone voted | |||
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" So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not? My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters. " So what you posted as fact you now just say is your feeling. As I said I have no idea what will happen as, A I dont follow fish politics and B more importantly it will be part of the talks and a lot will depend on what both sides want after speaking to those involved and taking into account whats best for their own side, | |||
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?....
Can we please keep this as the last post until it answered!!!!!! Xx " | |||
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" So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not? My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters. So what you posted as fact you now just say is your feeling. As I said I have no idea what will happen as, A I dont follow fish politics and B more importantly it will be part of the talks and a lot will depend on what both sides want after speaking to those involved and taking into account whats best for their own side," Whats best for the fish is the only thing that counts.Fuck what the trawler men in france spain uk norway or iceland think. What does the science say for species conservation rather than politics and money say.
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" So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not? My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters. So what you posted as fact you now just say is your feeling. As I said I have no idea what will happen as, A I dont follow fish politics and B more importantly it will be part of the talks and a lot will depend on what both sides want after speaking to those involved and taking into account whats best for their own side,Whats best for the fish is the only thing that counts.Fuck what the trawler men in france spain uk norway or iceland think. What does the science say for species conservation rather than politics and money say.
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?....
Can we please keep this as the last post until it answered!!!!!! Xx
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?....
Can we please keep this as the last post until it answered!!!!!! Xx
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"Not if we just say No you Can't !!! And surely we will !!! What about the annual 111,000 tons of fish British fishermen pull out of EU waters? The people of the fishing industry in the main voted to leave,I am sure they know there own industry You didn't answer the question And neither did you. I asked the question
Just in case you (conveniently) missed it (them)...
Where is the emergency £30 Billion budget?
Where is the immediate recession?
Where is the stock market collapse?
Where is the 20% fall in house prices?
Where is the predicted war?
Are the EU not planning an EU army ('defence force')?
Where are the 500,000 job losses by the end of 2017, and 3,000,000 by the end 2020?
Where is the 3.6% drop in GDP 'within a year' of a brexit vote?
Where's the 2.8 to 4% drop in wages?....
Can we please keep this as the last post until it answered!!!!!! Xx
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its not like we had anything better to spend the money on.
Immediate recession? All assumptions were made on article 50 being triggered immediately, so wait and see what happens after its triggered.
Stock market collapse and house prices see above. I notice you haven't mentioned about the fall in Sterling or the fact that interest rates are their lowest in more than three hundred years! Three Hundred Years! THREE HUNDRED YEARS for God's sake!
When did you expect a war to happen? Immediately? The EU and its predecessor organistions has provided peace amongst members since 1952, it's stated aim "to make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible" its taken 65 years to get to the peace we have today, maybe it will take 65 years to rip it apart. Maybe it will be quicker, maybe it will be longer, but I think its sad thay we have turned our back on that aim.
Nope, the EU aren't planning an Army (or a Navy or Airforce) they are planning a HQ building to coordinate joint military operations and training between the militaries of the member states of the EU. You know, like they have been doing for hundreds of years, does the fact that the British fought alongside the Netherlands, Prussia and others at the battle of Waterloo also make you shit your pants in terror of countries fighting together?
You don't really expect me to explain why in Feb 2017 I can't prove to you why something has or hasn't happened in 2020 or 31st December 2017 do you?
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" You don't really expect me to explain why in Feb 2017 I can't prove to you why something has or hasn't happened in 2020 or 31st December 2017 do you? " Exactly. You can't prove anything so why not just pipe down and stop speculating. | |||
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med.
Non-British EU waters.
Sorry not good enough.
Are you meaning Norway?
Certainly not the Med.
The Baltic? maybe.
The Channel? That's half Britain's anyway.
Have you actually looked at a map of EU waters and then worked out how British boats would get to these grounds (if they even wanted to or had the boats capable of going) and from which ports?
How many long distance boats do you think Britain has these days? The few that are left are mostly either Dutch or Spanish quota hoppers. The vast majority of the (real) British fleet are what are known as "inshore boats" that maybe fish for only a day or two before returning to port.
Even accepting your figure of 111,000 tonnes (which I don't because with your figures there is always a catch) do you realise how small that is when divided up? Thirty or forty boats could catch that, and as above most will be quota hoppers anyway.
The Vidal family mean anything to you?
You are just spouting your usual nonsense and I would much prefer to believe the guys that actually go out and risk their lives on a daily basis and against the odds put fish on our table. Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave.
I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME.
So what is your actual point?
Don't need to make a point just calling you out on your usual rubbish that you spout on here.
In your OP you make sweeping statements based on one report from a remain biased newspaper about an internal memo the actually said little or nothing.
There is a big world out there, most of it covered in water, you should have a look at it sometime instead of spouting nonsense on here.
Don't expect me to post anything else for a few hours. I'm going back to real life now, although I may take a look later.
Right, so you didn't have a point then. If you cared so little about the livelihoods of 30-40 vessels when you served on the committee, you probably helped the British fishing industry as much as Farage did sitting on the CFP committee. I hope you managed to attend more than 1 in 40 meetings though."I'd actually forgotten about this thread. Firstly I notice (as usual) you like to get personal when your nonsensical arguments get backed into a corner. Remember the economy?
Secondly it is clear from your posts on this subject that apart from a few snippets picked up from the guardian and google you haven't got the first idea about fishing and fishermen.
As for the 30 - 40 vessels that you like to accuse me of not caring about. Well if they are quota hoppers (which some will certainly be) from Spain, Holland or anywhere else then I agree, I don't give a flying fuck about them.
However, have you ever thought (yeah I know) that maybe, just maybe, if Britain regained control of its own waters the that fleet may just increase to 100 200 or more, and as a bonus without quota hoppers?
No of course you didn't. That wouldn't fit into your Brexit trolling agenda would it.
Why not just admit it? You got shot down in flames on the economy (by the Bank of England no less) and now you are just scraping a very empty barrel to try and keep your trolling of Brexit on track.
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" So you now know what the results of the negeotiations on fishing are now, do you have the lottery numbers for this week too ?
You honestly believe that the UK will ban EU boats fishing our waters, yet the EU will allow UK boats to fish their waters, not bound by quotas or the CFP?
What are you basing this on? What is your evidence to support your assumption?
You stated as a fact that uk fishermen wont be fishing in eu waters or vice versa, that may or may not happen but you have no better idea than anyone what will happen to fishing rules after we leave, you ask for evidence I have none as I havent made any claims other than no one knows, you on the other hand have made a claim and stated it as fact. More false news from remainers
So do believe that after the UK leaves the EU, that UK fishing vessels will be allowed to fish EU waters or not?
My reason for believing that UK fisherman wont be able to fish EU waters is because no other non-EU country is allowed to fish in EU waters.
And exactly what EU waters do you think that British boats actually fish?
The ones where they pull 111,000 tons of fish out of the water every year. You are not going to be daft enough to suggest that Britain is the only country which fishes, or that fish only live in UK waters are you?
Which waters? Be specific please.
Would that be in the Med? or would it be in those EU waters that are only EU because of British membership?
Last time I looked there were no Cornish purse seiners working the Sardines in the Med.
Non-British EU waters.
Sorry not good enough.
Are you meaning Norway?
Certainly not the Med.
The Baltic? maybe.
The Channel? That's half Britain's anyway.
Have you actually looked at a map of EU waters and then worked out how British boats would get to these grounds (if they even wanted to or had the boats capable of going) and from which ports?
How many long distance boats do you think Britain has these days? The few that are left are mostly either Dutch or Spanish quota hoppers. The vast majority of the (real) British fleet are what are known as "inshore boats" that maybe fish for only a day or two before returning to port.
Even accepting your figure of 111,000 tonnes (which I don't because with your figures there is always a catch) do you realise how small that is when divided up? Thirty or forty boats could catch that, and as above most will be quota hoppers anyway.
The Vidal family mean anything to you?
You are just spouting your usual nonsense and I would much prefer to believe the guys that actually go out and risk their lives on a daily basis and against the odds put fish on our table. Oh and yes most estimates put it at 9 out of 10 of them voted leave.
I would also take the word of a former member of the North Western and North Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. ME.
So what is your actual point?
Don't need to make a point just calling you out on your usual rubbish that you spout on here.
In your OP you make sweeping statements based on one report from a remain biased newspaper about an internal memo the actually said little or nothing.
There is a big world out there, most of it covered in water, you should have a look at it sometime instead of spouting nonsense on here.
Don't expect me to post anything else for a few hours. I'm going back to real life now, although I may take a look later.
Right, so you didn't have a point then. If you cared so little about the livelihoods of 30-40 vessels when you served on the committee, you probably helped the British fishing industry as much as Farage did sitting on the CFP committee. I hope you managed to attend more than 1 in 40 meetings though.
I'd actually forgotten about this thread.
Firstly I notice (as usual) you like to get personal when your nonsensical arguments get backed into a corner.
Remember the economy?
Secondly it is clear from your posts on this subject that apart from a few snippets picked up from the guardian and google you haven't got the first idea about fishing and fishermen.
As for the 30 - 40 vessels that you like to accuse me of not caring about. Well if they are quota hoppers (which some will certainly be) from Spain, Holland or anywhere else then I agree, I don't give a flying fuck about them.
However, have you ever thought (yeah I know) that maybe, just maybe, if Britain regained control of its own waters the that fleet may just increase to 100 200 or more, and as a bonus without quota hoppers?
No of course you didn't. That wouldn't fit into your Brexit trolling agenda would it.
Why not just admit it? You got shot down in flames on the economy (by the Bank of England no less) and now you are just scraping a very empty barrel to try and keep your trolling of Brexit on track.
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear?" LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.  | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try. "So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit! | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit! "Your point is exactly what? Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them. Is that too difficult for you to understand? | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters. "WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class. Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't. Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated. One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started. As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do."...... | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do."So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
"Still believe what won't happen????? 'kin hell this is like wading through treacle. BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please."Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens. "That what will happen? The second coming? World war 3? Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo? No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be. However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen. You don't know and I don't know. Now what about those lottery numbers? | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?"That foreign boats will fish UK waters! | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters! "If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what? | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?"Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?"I don't think you'll find many of publications from the Leave campaigns specifically said that foreign boats will continue to fish in UK waters, so people who voted for that are going to be pissed off. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them "I think if you read my posts from further up the thread you will realise I know all about flags of convenience and quota hopping. As someone who was actually involved in the politics of fishing for many years I'm fully aware of what goes on. Are you? | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
I don't think you'll find many of publications from the Leave campaigns specifically said that foreign boats will continue to fish in UK waters, so people who voted for that are going to be pissed off."And I don't think there were many (if any that said they would all be kicked out either. As usual you are just trying to make something out of nothing. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
I don't think you'll find many of publications from the Leave campaigns specifically said that foreign boats will continue to fish in UK waters, so people who voted for that are going to be pissed off.
And I don't think there were many (if any that said they would all be kicked out either.
As usual you are just trying to make something out of nothing."Sure, that's fine, many in the fishing industry voted to keep EU boats, in BritisH waters! | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them
I think if you read my posts from further up the thread you will realise I know all about flags of convenience and quota hopping.
As someone who was actually involved in the politics of fishing for many years I'm fully aware of what goes on. Are you?"Yes i am....my dad his dad his dad before were all fishermen...not on just a little boat that pops out for the day either...he was away for 14 days at a time in the most cruel of weathers along the Icelandic coast and Russian coast....it you look were i come from you would probably know that Grimsby WAS the biggest fishing port in the UK | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
I don't think you'll find many of publications from the Leave campaigns specifically said that foreign boats will continue to fish in UK waters, so people who voted for that are going to be pissed off.
And I don't think there were many (if any that said they would all be kicked out either.
As usual you are just trying to make something out of nothing.
Sure, that's fine, many in the fishing industry voted to keep EU boats, in BritisH waters! "Jeesus h kriste!! | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them
I think if you read my posts from further up the thread you will realise I know all about flags of convenience and quota hopping.
As someone who was actually involved in the politics of fishing for many years I'm fully aware of what goes on. Are you?
Yes i am....my dad his dad his dad before were all fishermen...not on just a little boat that pops out for the day either...he was away for 14 days at a time in the most cruel of weathers along the Icelandic coast and Russian coast....it you look were i come from you would probably know that Grimsby WAS the biggest fishing port in the UK "....So do you think your ancestors would of voted to leave the EU. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them
I think if you read my posts from further up the thread you will realise I know all about flags of convenience and quota hopping.
As someone who was actually involved in the politics of fishing for many years I'm fully aware of what goes on. Are you?
Yes i am....my dad his dad his dad before were all fishermen...not on just a little boat that pops out for the day either...he was away for 14 days at a time in the most cruel of weathers along the Icelandic coast and Russian coast....it you look were i come from you would probably know that Grimsby WAS the biggest fishing port in the UK ....So do you think your ancestors would of voted to leave the EU."No | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them
I think if you read my posts from further up the thread you will realise I know all about flags of convenience and quota hopping.
As someone who was actually involved in the politics of fishing for many years I'm fully aware of what goes on. Are you?
Yes i am....my dad his dad his dad before were all fishermen...not on just a little boat that pops out for the day either...he was away for 14 days at a time in the most cruel of weathers along the Icelandic coast and Russian coast....it you look were i come from you would probably know that Grimsby WAS the biggest fishing port in the UK ....So do you think your ancestors would of voted to leave the EU.
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard" You must spend your life looking for any spurious reason to be anti brexit,may,might happen, likely etc. You never point out the may,might pro brexit articles and you do not seem to have your own opinions. Well my friend when you can come up with a definatly point I will be amazed | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardYou must spend your life looking for any spurious reason to be anti brexit,may,might happen, likely etc. You never point out the may,might pro brexit articles and you do not seem to have your own opinions. Well my friend when you can come up with a definatly point I will be amazed" Emmablu, both side have said that foreign boats will fish British waters. The OP was when the EU said it, and today's posts have been about Michael Gove confirming it. Are you amazed yet? | |||
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"Well it sounds as though EU boats will still be fishing in UK waters, so more lies from Farage on the issue. Perhaps he would have had a better understanding if he had attended more than 1 in 40 meetings of the CFP committee that he sat on. UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/15/uk-fishermen-may-not-win-waters-back-after-brexit-eu-memo-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardYou must spend your life looking for any spurious reason to be anti brexit,may,might happen, likely etc. You never point out the may,might pro brexit articles and you do not seem to have your own opinions. Well my friend when you can come up with a definatly point I will be amazed Emmablu, both side have said that foreign boats will fish British waters. The OP was when the EU said it, and today's posts have been about Michael Gove confirming it. Are you amazed yet? " I'm totally amazed. Bit like a David Blaine illusion. | |||
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"So lots of people said that it was bollocks that EU boats would still be fishing UK waters, or that at the time it was just a possibility, should they didn’t yet want to discuss it. I wonder what those same people say now after Michael Gove has reportedly told European fishermen they will still be able to catch “large amounts” in British waters after Brexit. Gove said: “Britain has no fish cutters [employed to clean, trim and bone fish] or the production facilities enough to catch all the fish in British waters.” Niels Wichmann, managing director of the Danish fisheries association, told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "Fishermen from Denmark and other EU countries will continue to have access to British waters after Brexit. "It is a logical announcement but it is still very positive and a little surprising that it comes from a British minister so early in the negotiation process.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/michael-gove-says-european-fishermen-can-cast-nets-wide-uk-waters/ What do they think now? Are Gove and the Telegraph simply scaremongering, brexit-denying remoaners wallowing in project fear? LOL. You conveniently missed out this paragraph from the same article. "A Defra spokesman said: “Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters. As we have always said, other countries will be able to access to our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control" Nice try.
So you agree that foreign boats will be fishing UK waters after Brexit!
Your point is exactly what?
Britain will take back control of its waters and Britain will decide who does or doesn't fish in them.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
No, I understand that foreign boats will be fishing in UK waters.
WOW Einstein. Take a silver star and go to the top of the class.
Only problem is that no-one said they wouldn't.
Fishing, like every other aspect of Brexit, will be negotiated.
One minute you are complaining that Britain is slow on negotiating and the next minute you pull out your crystal ball and announce the results of negotiations that have hardly started.
As I've said further up this thread, you know bugger all about fishing so let's leave this one to the people that do.
So the EU have said it will happen, and a government minister have said it will happen, and you still believe it wont happen?
Still believe what won't happen?????
'kin hell this is like wading through treacle.
BTW. Can you let me know next weeks winning euromillions numbers please.
Ok, even though both sides have said it will happen, we will wait and see if it happens.
That what will happen?
The second coming?
World war 3?
Fleetwood Town signing Ronaldo?
No-one has a clue (least of all you) what the detail of the negotiations will be.
However, as DEFRA pointed out in the article that you quoted, Britain will regain control of its waters. How the politicians will exercise that control remains to be seen.
You don't know and I don't know.
Now what about those lottery numbers?
That foreign boats will fish UK waters!
If it's part of a negotiated deal and the rules/quota's Etc are set in Britain then so what?
Pretty obvious you know nothing about fishing either....most ove the boats that fish the UK waters are foreign own sailing out of british ports....you know why ....because the licenses were sold to them
I think if you read my posts from further up the thread you will realise I know all about flags of convenience and quota hopping.
As someone who was actually involved in the politics of fishing for many years I'm fully aware of what goes on. Are you?
Yes i am....my dad his dad his dad before were all fishermen...not on just a little boat that pops out for the day either...he was away for 14 days at a time in the most cruel of weathers along the Icelandic coast and Russian coast....it you look were i come from you would probably know that Grimsby WAS the biggest fishing port in the UK "Yes it was. With very close ties to Fleetwood, including many (including mine) family ties. | |||
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"Most fishermen voted to leave the EU because they thought it would stop foreigners fishing in our waters Oh my how they were all sold a lie by the Tories eh Micheal Gove tells Danes they can fish in UK waters post-Brexit When will people learn never trust the Tories!!!" You do know both Leave and Remain campaigns were cross party don't you? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. " and as foreign vessels fish in UK waters to begin with we can charge them fees for doing so which will bring in extra money to the Treasury while the UK fleet is being built back up again. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. " So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)?" So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you?" There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you?? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you??" I'm talking about on every other thread. And I just asked you a question here | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you?? I'm talking about on every other thread. And I just asked you a question here" Which was completely unrelated to the topic. Please try to stick to the thread at hand. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you?? I'm talking about on every other thread. And I just asked you a question here Which was completely unrelated to the topic. Please try to stick to the thread at hand." god you are thick | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you?? I'm talking about on every other thread. And I just asked you a question here Which was completely unrelated to the topic. Please try to stick to the thread at hand. god you are thick"I think it was a perfectly reasonable question to ask....why do you continue to attack people...without knowing the facts yourself | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you?? I'm talking about on every other thread. And I just asked you a question here Which was completely unrelated to the topic. Please try to stick to the thread at hand. god you are thick
I think it was a perfectly reasonable question to ask....why do you continue to attack people...without knowing the facts yourself "It was a ridiculous question. As usual | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? So when do you expect to be able to come out with a sensible post or question? Or be able to answer any question that is ever put to you? There wasn't a question to answer! You really are struggling on this forum aren't you?? I'm talking about on every other thread. And I just asked you a question here Which was completely unrelated to the topic. Please try to stick to the thread at hand. god you are thick
I think it was a perfectly reasonable question to ask....why do you continue to attack people...without knowing the facts yourself
It was a ridiculous question. As usual"Well only you thought it....or are you just trolling them ? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)?" I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it?" If you dont know the outcome you want to achieve, how will you measure the success of the policy? I believe in shared sovereignty, other countries boats can fish our waters, as they have done for centuries, and in turn we fish in their waters, as we have done for centuries. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it? If you dont know the outcome you want to achieve, how will you measure the success of the policy? I believe in shared sovereignty, other countries boats can fish our waters, as they have done for centuries, and in turn we fish in their waters, as we have done for centuries. " How many other countries and how many boats? | |||
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" So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it? If you dont know the outcome you want to achieve, how will you measure the success of the policy? I believe in shared sovereignty, other countries boats can fish our waters, as they have done for centuries, and in turn we fish in their waters, as we have done for centuries. " You believe other nations should have a geater say than us in who and how our waters are fished? I recall you are also in favour of the obscene practice of discard that we have to comply with. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)?" You keep asking the same old, same old, same old question. You know, pretty much like everyone else, that the answer to that (loaded) question is probably never. However as you well know it isn't the real question and never was. It's only the one YOU want to ask to try and either further your Brexit trolling or to try to make yourself look clever, or both. The real question, as you well know, is WHO CONTROLS THE WATERS? and because you already know that the answer to that one doesn't fit in with your agenda you will bang on and on about a completely irrelevant question just because it suits you. As per bloody usual. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? You keep asking the same old, same old, same old question. You know, pretty much like everyone else, that the answer to that (loaded) question is probably never. However as you well know it isn't the real question and never was. It's only the one YOU want to ask to try and either further your Brexit trolling or to try to make yourself look clever, or both. The real question, as you well know, is WHO CONTROLS THE WATERS? and because you already know that the answer to that one doesn't fit in with your agenda you will bang on and on about a completely irrelevant question just because it suits you. As per bloody usual. "So would you be happy if we controlled the water, and every single boat was foreign? If there was not a single British boat, yet the UK had full control. Would that make you happy? | |||
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" So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it? If you dont know the outcome you want to achieve, how will you measure the success of the policy? I believe in shared sovereignty, other countries boats can fish our waters, as they have done for centuries, and in turn we fish in their waters, as we have done for centuries. You believe other nations should have a geater say than us in who and how our waters are fished? I recall you are also in favour of the obscene practice of discard that we have to comply with." You conveniently seem to have forgotten that discarding happens in every part of the world. It's simply a consequence of fishing. Which individual nation has a greater say than the UK over the CFP? | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? You keep asking the same old, same old, same old question. You know, pretty much like everyone else, that the answer to that (loaded) question is probably never. However as you well know it isn't the real question and never was. It's only the one YOU want to ask to try and either further your Brexit trolling or to try to make yourself look clever, or both. The real question, as you well know, is WHO CONTROLS THE WATERS? and because you already know that the answer to that one doesn't fit in with your agenda you will bang on and on about a completely irrelevant question just because it suits you. As per bloody usual.
So would you be happy if we controlled the water, and every single boat was foreign? If there was not a single British boat, yet the UK had full control. Would that make you happy? "Oh how you would love me to say yes to that one (another loaded one BTW) but, as you well know there is a very subtle difference between that situation and the one we've got now. A British government that allowed that to happen would have to answer to the British electorate. An EU fisheries commissioner answers only to the EU commission and council of ministers of which Britain currently has one voice out of 28. | |||
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" So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it? If you dont know the outcome you want to achieve, how will you measure the success of the policy? I believe in shared sovereignty, other countries boats can fish our waters, as they have done for centuries, and in turn we fish in their waters, as we have done for centuries. You believe other nations should have a geater say than us in who and how our waters are fished? I recall you are also in favour of the obscene practice of discard that we have to comply with. You conveniently seem to have forgotten that discarding happens in every part of the world. It's simply a consequence of fishing. Which individual nation has a greater say than the UK over the CFP? " You got shot down on the worldwide discard earlier in the thread. No need to bring that nonsense back. | |||
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" So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? I don't know. How can anyone know that? Do you prefer the uk having full control of who fishes our waters and how. Or do you prefer someone else to control it, with us only allowed a partial say in it? If you dont know the outcome you want to achieve, how will you measure the success of the policy? I believe in shared sovereignty, other countries boats can fish our waters, as they have done for centuries, and in turn we fish in their waters, as we have done for centuries. You believe other nations should have a geater say than us in who and how our waters are fished? I recall you are also in favour of the obscene practice of discard that we have to comply with. You conveniently seem to have forgotten that discarding happens in every part of the world. It's simply a consequence of fishing. Which individual nation has a greater say than the UK over the CFP? " None but Luxembourg (landlocked and without a fishing fleet) has an equal say. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? You keep asking the same old, same old, same old question. You know, pretty much like everyone else, that the answer to that (loaded) question is probably never. However as you well know it isn't the real question and never was. It's only the one YOU want to ask to try and either further your Brexit trolling or to try to make yourself look clever, or both. The real question, as you well know, is WHO CONTROLS THE WATERS? and because you already know that the answer to that one doesn't fit in with your agenda you will bang on and on about a completely irrelevant question just because it suits you. As per bloody usual.
So would you be happy if we controlled the water, and every single boat was foreign? If there was not a single British boat, yet the UK had full control. Would that make you happy? "I think Iceland does a very good job of controlling its waters and non Icelandic boats pay handsomely to fish there. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? You keep asking the same old, same old, same old question. You know, pretty much like everyone else, that the answer to that (loaded) question is probably never. However as you well know it isn't the real question and never was. It's only the one YOU want to ask to try and either further your Brexit trolling or to try to make yourself look clever, or both. The real question, as you well know, is WHO CONTROLS THE WATERS? and because you already know that the answer to that one doesn't fit in with your agenda you will bang on and on about a completely irrelevant question just because it suits you. As per bloody usual.
So would you be happy if we controlled the water, and every single boat was foreign? If there was not a single British boat, yet the UK had full control. Would that make you happy?
Oh how you would love me to say yes to that one (another loaded one BTW) but, as you well know there is a very subtle difference between that situation and the one we've got now.
A British government that allowed that to happen would have to answer to the British electorate.
An EU fisheries commissioner answers only to the EU commission and council of ministers of which Britain currently has one voice out of 28.
"So you are saying that actually control isn't as important as having British boats. I have noticed your trolling behaviour, adding lots of little posts to fill up the thread and close it down. I guess you don't feel comfortable with debate on this issue. | |||
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"The story actually says foreign vessels will initially be allowed to continue to fish, as the UK alone does not currently have capacity to fish all our waters. This policy will be reviewed over time. I would expect that the uk fleet would steadily recover. Since the waters are back under our control, the proportion of uk to foreign vessels can be controlled by uk as time goes by. Not sure what people want to happen except this type of thing. So when do you expect we will have 100% british boats in British waters (for fishing)? You keep asking the same old, same old, same old question. You know, pretty much like everyone else, that the answer to that (loaded) question is probably never. However as you well know it isn't the real question and never was. It's only the one YOU want to ask to try and either further your Brexit trolling or to try to make yourself look clever, or both. The real question, as you well know, is WHO CONTROLS THE WATERS? and because you already know that the answer to that one doesn't fit in with your agenda you will bang on and on about a completely irrelevant question just because it suits you. As per bloody usual.
So would you be happy if we controlled the water, and every single boat was foreign? If there was not a single British boat, yet the UK had full control. Would that make you happy?
Oh how you would love me to say yes to that one (another loaded one BTW) but, as you well know there is a very subtle difference between that situation and the one we've got now.
A British government that allowed that to happen would have to answer to the British electorate.
An EU fisheries commissioner answers only to the EU commission and council of ministers of which Britain currently has one voice out of 28.
So you are saying that actually control isn't as important as having British boats. I have noticed your trolling behaviour, adding lots of little posts to fill up the thread and close it down. I guess you don't feel comfortable with debate on this issue. "My trolling behaviour? LOL. The little green arrow is your friend. I'm more than comfortable on fishing. Fancy thread two then ? | |||
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