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"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror "It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it... | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought." Would that be a survey by the BBC?? | |||
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"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " You do realise that white people do despicable things like that too? | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc You do realise that white people do despicable things like that too? "Quite. Also its the religious targetting and outright lies. Christians have NOT been less welcomed to the States than any other religion. | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " We have vetting, including the sharing of data with other states. No one has a right to UK entry, without our agreement - including European citizens. We do this in part as a way to increase our security. Implementation of bans for groups of people can have the opposite effect, by stoking the hatred of us. We want diminished security threats, not higher. | |||
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"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " I'm curious as to how closing the borders to new people precludes actions perpetrated by the existent population. | |||
"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it..."Maybe do a little fact checking before you regurgitate the sun/mail type 'facts' The seven countries listed were highlighted as 'areas of concern', which means that anyone travelling from or who recently visited those countries were subject to extra security checks ahead of entering the US- it was not a list of banned countries where a blanket ban on entry was in place for no obvious reason other than headline grabbing and posturing. The executive order relating to the bad cited the September 11 attacks, which on the most part were carried out by Saudi nationals, who aren't resticted.....which coincidently is a country Trump has various business connections too....although he's given up all control of his business and has nothing to do with it at all, there will be no conflict of interest- nope, none what so ever | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " Most of the things you listed aren't committed by actual migrants anyway. So no ban would help in the slightest. Moreover those acts aren't exclusive to Muslims. | |||
"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it...
Maybe do a little fact checking before you regurgitate the sun/mail type 'facts'
The seven countries listed were highlighted as 'areas of concern', which means that anyone travelling from or who recently visited those countries were subject to extra security checks ahead of entering the US- it was not a list of banned countries where a blanket ban on entry was in place for no obvious reason other than headline grabbing and posturing. The executive order relating to the bad cited the September 11 attacks, which on the most part were carried out by Saudi nationals, who aren't resticted.....which coincidently is a country Trump has various business connections too....although he's given up all control of his business and has nothing to do with it at all, there will be no conflict of interest- nope, none what so ever "Pretty much this. Trumps ban is entirely pointless and seems to be deliberately disruptive. Its amusing that people cite Obama enacting a similar directive, but Obama did not order the turning away of green card holders (essentially US citizens) and VISA recipients. Yeah, there is a lot of pointless furore at the ban itself but it looks like thats what was intended. Pointless posturing to satiate his idiot support base. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, Nigeria and the Baltic regions are contributing plenty Islamic radicals and yet those countries have not been included, in fact many of those countries have already carried out attacks/attempted attacks on US soil (San Bernadino, the attempted plane crotch bomber, the Boston bombing). | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " I wont say that muslims are not over-represented in certain criminal activities and that there is a general problem with integration, but comments like these are way too simplistic. Most of the refugees are from the middle east and the horn of Africa. Most child grooming gangs involved Pakistani gangs in the midlands and yorkshire. There is a big culture and racial clash here which people are refusing to address, dumping it on Islamism is kinda pointless and does not address the nuances of the issue. Hence, you're conflating numerous different things into one central issue. Its also what I find amusing about Brexit itself, whilst its perfectly understandable that people want to control their borders, there is still a lack of realization that "controlling immigration" does not "stopping immigration" and, most likely, immigration will grow even more exponentially once the UK has left the EU. | |||
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"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it..."It was originally Obama's list of countries which were dangerous to visit for Americans, which is subtlety different from being countries which exported to terrorists to the US. There have been no terrorist acts in the US ever by cititzens or refugees from these 7 countries. The 4 countries which have had citizens/refugees commit terrorism in the US were unaffected by the restriction, they also happen to be countries Trump has business investments in. | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought." I like Trump | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought. I like Trump " I like to trump.  | |||
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"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought. I like Trump I like to trump. "We women don't trump | |||
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"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought." you know i love statistics as Ive not yet been asked what i think by anyone official on anything... so i do wonder where they get their stats from. | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought. you know i love statistics as Ive not yet been asked what i think by anyone official on anything... so i do wonder where they get their stats from. " Speaking personally, he can FUCK OFF. imo  | |||
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"I like him and he can come over "To Sweden? | |||
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"I like him and he can come over
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"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. " Very well said | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought." I wonder if we rehearse history if this is similar to how the jews were margainalised before the holocaust and when they ban mualims it's not just men with far right views bit women and children too. | |||
"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. " LOL come on, I think this shows how little people understand about Fascism. Trump may be a clown, but he is no fascist. The US really doesnt allow for one to even govern in such a way either. Just let the initial furore pass. You cannot govern entirely through executive orders...many of these will end up getting shot down by GOP members looking to make names for themselves. | |||
"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. "  | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian." That's how the nazis started it all, hate and intolerance! | |||
"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. " EU has far greater chance of becoming a fascist state than the US. In fact it pretty much already has, hence why the UK left. Germany has always wanted complete dominance over western and central Europe. Now they have it. Racist sentiment IS NOT Facism. The fact that so many think it is only stands as a testament to how dreadful state education is. Chancellor Merkel essentially sits as pretty much a supreme ruler, the government is a coalition between the four largest parties and she controls both commerce and the executive. As said, the very nature of the separation of powers has meant that the US could never really exist as a Fascist state the in the traditional sense. Besides its just not very American. | |||
"Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " Did we ban the Catholic Church when priests were abusing boys? Did we ban football when coaches were milestone young boys? Grow up, take a good luck at factual evidence, not what journalists sensationalise to report to sell their news to you. | |||
".....Welcoming him to our country, and supporting him, makes us a terrorist target....." What makes us a terrorist target (and the U.S.) is the contant inferfering from our governments in other countries for the benefit of large corporations and personal wealth/power of the few | |||
"Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc Did we ban the Catholic Church when priests were abusing boys? Did we ban football when coaches were milestone young boys? Grow up, take a good luck at factual evidence, not what journalists sensationalise to report to sell their news to you." Hang all pedos | |||
"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. That's how the nazis started it all, hate and intolerance!" No. Nazism started when the German economy collapsed and the full effect of the Verseille treaty came to pass. Negative sentiment against Jews had been around in Europe long before the Nazis ever got there. | |||
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"What makes us a terrorist target (and the U.S.) is the contant inferfering from our governments in other countries for the benefit of large corporations and personal wealth/power of the few" Agreed, I'm all for global business on a small to medium scale. Great example is a British businessman who set up a glove making factory in Ethiopia (Pittards). He pays them all decent wages and has a really successful business out of it that drives the local economy. But when your global powerhouse turns up and just wants to milk away local resources for no gain to the local economy, that insights hatred. Look at the sand oil in Canada and how Keystone XL will affect them. | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc " can you remember where the 7/7 bombers were from? the majority of child grooming gangs and rapists arent from "those nasty places overseas"....  | |||
"No. Nazism started when the German economy collapsed and the full effect of the Verseille treaty came to pass. Negative sentiment against Jews had been around in Europe long before the Nazis ever got there. " And you really think we're not looking down the barrel of a gun economically speaking following June 23rd? Deny it all you want, parallels are being drawn about our "Great Britain" and the early years of the Reich by the rest of the world. | |||
"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it..."Its also kuwaits list | |||
"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it...
Maybe do a little fact checking before you regurgitate the sun/mail type 'facts'
The seven countries listed were highlighted as 'areas of concern', which means that anyone travelling from or who recently visited those countries were subject to extra security checks ahead of entering the US- it was not a list of banned countries where a blanket ban on entry was in place for no obvious reason other than headline grabbing and posturing. The executive order relating to the bad cited the September 11 attacks, which on the most part were carried out by Saudi nationals, who aren't resticted.....which coincidently is a country Trump has various business connections too....although he's given up all control of his business and has nothing to do with it at all, there will be no conflict of interest- nope, none what so ever "Saudi is also a major backer of the clinton foundation and the biggest oil producer in the world. Sadly when it comes to oil there is a certain amount of pragmatism that needs to be used | |||
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"AOL says 70% agree " They're just hoping for faster internet! Seriously, these surveys are like going to your local pub and asking everyone "do you like alcohol?" Some will say no, most will say yes! | |||
"AOL says 70% agree They're just hoping for faster internet! Seriously, these surveys are like going to your local pub and asking everyone "do you like alcohol?" Some will say no, most will say yes!" To be fair the yougov survey will be a proper demographically conteoled one to produce a decent sample of the population | |||
"LOL come on, I think this shows how little people understand about Fascism. Trump may be a clown, but he is no fascist. The US really doesnt allow for one to even govern in such a way either. Just let the initial furore pass. You cannot govern entirely through executive orders...many of these will end up getting shot down by GOP members looking to make names for themselves. " Correct. The courts are still virulent and for every proclamation Trump makes it'll be a pork barrel for the Congressmen &c. What is more interesting is that while we're all worrying about the pointless Trump circus, other actors will move to take advantage of America's paralysis. It's not all about Trump btw. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-38766887 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38821078 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-38793330 | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc can you remember where the 7/7 bombers were from? the majority of child grooming gangs and rapists arent from "those nasty places overseas".... "I think all that's required is a different skin colour, rather than any examination of where the perpetrator was born. Sadly. | |||
"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. " I couldn't have put it any better ! | |||
"AOL says 70% agree with his ban and that's what they voted for it's their country why is everybody else messing with the politics we got our own problems. It's a 90 day ban with an end to it so they can sort out who is legally in the country and who isn't they don't want anymore buildings coming down or charity runners legs blown off or even their kids executed on nights out there is a war going on and it's time to take stock hopefully and end it. " The Orlando shooter was born in America The Boston bombers were Chechen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia . None of these were from countries on the list . And a 90 day ban on refugees and people getting visas doesn't do anything about whether people are are in the country illegally or not | |||
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"Do you feel like you’re more likely than ever to be hit by a terror attack? This is why you're wrong... At the current level of activity, their odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in a given year are less than two ten-thousandths of one per cent. That’s 27 times lower than their odds of dying in a car accident. In Turkey, the probability is lower. 194 people killed in attacks since the start of 2015, with a population of 80 million gives each one of them a roughly one ten-thousandth of one percent chance of being killed in one, in any given year. In Iraq, the numbers are much worse. Iraq, of course, is enmeshed in the horror of a full-on civil war in which tens of thousands have lost their lives, so this kind of analysis is both trickier and seems a little moot. But still, we have to recognise that there have been at least 13 terror attacks in Iraq on civilian populations since the start of 2015, killing more than 650 people. Even away from the front-line of the civil war, Isis’ victims are overwhelmingly Muslim. Even in Iraq though, your odds of being caught in one of these attacks are less than one in a hundred thousand. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html" But, you know, it's SCARY!!! | |||
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"Do you feel like you’re more likely than ever to be hit by a terror attack? This is why you're wrong... At the current level of activity, their odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in a given year are less than two ten-thousandths of one per cent. That’s 27 times lower than their odds of dying in a car accident. In Turkey, the probability is lower. 194 people killed in attacks since the start of 2015, with a population of 80 million gives each one of them a roughly one ten-thousandth of one percent chance of being killed in one, in any given year. In Iraq, the numbers are much worse. Iraq, of course, is enmeshed in the horror of a full-on civil war in which tens of thousands have lost their lives, so this kind of analysis is both trickier and seems a little moot. But still, we have to recognise that there have been at least 13 terror attacks in Iraq on civilian populations since the start of 2015, killing more than 650 people. Even away from the front-line of the civil war, Isis’ victims are overwhelmingly Muslim. Even in Iraq though, your odds of being caught in one of these attacks are less than one in a hundred thousand. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html But, you know, it's SCARY!!! "PS - your risk of death during any given year roughly doubles every 8 more years you live. | |||
"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. I couldn't have put it any better ! " Err really? Because for the first time in decades there looks to be a chance of a bit of unity between Russia and the west. Ie the biggest risk of war in the west | |||
"Do you feel like you’re more likely than ever to be hit by a terror attack? This is why you're wrong... " So when where you more likley to die in a terror attack? | |||
"AOL says 70% agree with his ban and that's what they voted for it's their country why is everybody else messing with the politics we got our own problems. It's a 90 day ban with an end to it so they can sort out who is legally in the country and who isn't they don't want anymore buildings coming down or charity runners legs blown off or even their kids executed on nights out there is a war going on and it's time to take stock hopefully and end it. The Orlando shooter was born in America The Boston bombers were Chechen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia . None of these were from countries on the list . And a 90 day ban on refugees and people getting visas doesn't do anything about whether people are are in the country illegally or not " Right so all the rapes, sexual assults and murders in germany sen and other countries accepting large nunbers of refugees Where did those perpetrators come from? Cause from a breif look they match up almost perfectly with the banned list. There is more to this situation than terrorism | |||
"AOL says 70% agree with his ban and that's what they voted for it's their country why is everybody else messing with the politics we got our own problems. It's a 90 day ban with an end to it so they can sort out who is legally in the country and who isn't they don't want anymore buildings coming down or charity runners legs blown off or even their kids executed on nights out there is a war going on and it's time to take stock hopefully and end it. The Orlando shooter was born in America The Boston bombers were Chechen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia . None of these were from countries on the list . And a 90 day ban on refugees and people getting visas doesn't do anything about whether people are are in the country illegally or not Right so all the rapes, sexual assults and murders in germany sen and other countries accepting large nunbers of refugees Where did those perpetrators come from? Cause from a breif look they match up almost perfectly with the banned list. There is more to this situation than terrorism" A) I was specifically replying to the post quoted which mentioned those 3 incidents B) there are rapes and attacks every day unfortunately . But when you read media like the daily mail you only get the stats for refugees | |||
"AOL says 70% agree with his ban and that's what they voted for it's their country why is everybody else messing with the politics we got our own problems. It's a 90 day ban with an end to it so they can sort out who is legally in the country and who isn't they don't want anymore buildings coming down or charity runners legs blown off or even their kids executed on nights out there is a war going on and it's time to take stock hopefully and end it. The Orlando shooter was born in America The Boston bombers were Chechen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia . None of these were from countries on the list . And a 90 day ban on refugees and people getting visas doesn't do anything about whether people are are in the country illegally or not Right so all the rapes, sexual assults and murders in germany sen and other countries accepting large nunbers of refugees Where did those perpetrators come from? Cause from a breif look they match up almost perfectly with the banned list. There is more to this situation than terrorism A) I was specifically replying to the post quoted which mentioned those 3 incidents B) there are rapes and attacks every day unfortunately . But when you read media like the daily mail you only get the stats for refugees " B is possibly the most ridiculous argument you can come up with "Rape happens so theres no point in trying to stop extra rapists" By that logic why bother locking up rapists after all there will still be raoes may as well save the money on prison and let them all out | |||
"It's a toughy !!! Thers good and bad in everyone !! I have a few Muslim friend who would take a bullet for me and would keep the U.K. safe too !!! But then there's bad Christians too and let's not go down the chatholic root !!!! " Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site | |||
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"It's a toughy !!! Thers good and bad in everyone !! I have a few Muslim friend who would take a bullet for me and would keep the U.K. safe too !!! But then there's bad Christians too and let's not go down the chatholic root !!!! Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site " The one does and I guess he's not a true Muslim as he drinks alcohol and is a randy sod too , but I do like to think they are what they say they are but yes would they at the end of the day !??? | |||
"AOL says 70% agree with his ban and that's what they voted for it's their country why is everybody else messing with the politics we got our own problems. It's a 90 day ban with an end to it so they can sort out who is legally in the country and who isn't they don't want anymore buildings coming down or charity runners legs blown off or even their kids executed on nights out there is a war going on and it's time to take stock hopefully and end it. The Orlando shooter was born in America The Boston bombers were Chechen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia . None of these were from countries on the list . And a 90 day ban on refugees and people getting visas doesn't do anything about whether people are are in the country illegally or not Right so all the rapes, sexual assults and murders in germany sen and other countries accepting large nunbers of refugees Where did those perpetrators come from? Cause from a breif look they match up almost perfectly with the banned list. There is more to this situation than terrorism A) I was specifically replying to the post quoted which mentioned those 3 incidents B) there are rapes and attacks every day unfortunately . But when you read media like the daily mail you only get the stats for refugees B is possibly the most ridiculous argument you can come up with "Rape happens so theres no point in trying to stop extra rapists" By that logic why bother locking up rapists after all there will still be raoes may as well save the money on prison and let them all out" I said nothing of the sort so don't try and put words in my mouth . You said 'where do all the rapists come from in the countries that accept lots of refugees' . My response was pointing out that there will be rapes in those countries from varying nationalities | |||
" Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site " You'd be surprised, we've come across a fair few on here. | |||
" Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site You'd be surprised, we've come across a fair few on here." Then they not Muslim | |||
"Do you feel like you’re more likely than ever to be hit by a terror attack? This is why you're wrong... At the current level of activity, their odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in a given year are less than two ten-thousandths of one per cent. That’s 27 times lower than their odds of dying in a car accident. In Turkey, the probability is lower. 194 people killed in attacks since the start of 2015, with a population of 80 million gives each one of them a roughly one ten-thousandth of one percent chance of being killed in one, in any given year. In Iraq, the numbers are much worse. Iraq, of course, is enmeshed in the horror of a full-on civil war in which tens of thousands have lost their lives, so this kind of analysis is both trickier and seems a little moot. But still, we have to recognise that there have been at least 13 terror attacks in Iraq on civilian populations since the start of 2015, killing more than 650 people. Even away from the front-line of the civil war, Isis’ victims are overwhelmingly Muslim. Even in Iraq though, your odds of being caught in one of these attacks are less than one in a hundred thousand. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html" Try telling this to the poor lad on the news today who watched his grandad,dad and brother shoot dead in the Tunisia attack | |||
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"The level of common sense on display here is a blessed relief from the entire rest of the internet. This may be a depraved hotbed of deviance and perversity, but by gum you restore my faith in humanity. Would a group hug be out of the question?" Dont go down to the politics forum then. It's like a fascist groupwank down there..... | |||
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"The level of common sense on display here is a blessed relief from the entire rest of the internet. This may be a depraved hotbed of deviance and perversity, but by gum you restore my faith in humanity. Would a group hug be out of the question? Dont go down to the politics forum then. It's like a fascist groupwank down there....." thinking of starting a petition to have it renamed 'ugly'.. or nasty.. | |||
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" Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site You'd be surprised, we've come across a fair few on here. Then they not Muslim " I know Christians that are uncharitable, I know Jews that eat bacon, I know Muslims that drink. I even know a Buddhist who is really doesn't have much inner calmness. I guess, all creeds get horny
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" Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site You'd be surprised, we've come across a fair few on here. Then they not Muslim I know Christians that are uncharitable, I know Jews that eat bacon, I know Muslims that drink. I even know a Buddhist who is really doesn't have much inner calmness. I guess, all creeds get horny
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"According to a survey 1/3 of brits would like to have the same ban here in Britian. Frankly I think its a bad idea but wondered what other people thought. I like Trump I like to trump.
We women don't trump "Well trump do women | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for " Get rid of BBC presenters and priests too. There have been more scandals and cover ups with Brits. | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for Get rid of BBC presenters and priests too. There have been more scandals and cover ups with Brits." Football coaches too. Disgusting professions | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for " If we are scared in our own country, then terrorists have won, because thats's what they want. You'll never elimiate the threat of terrorism, by the way, especially since what actually constitutes a terrorist is highly subjective. | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc You do realise that white people do despicable things like that too? "Are "beheadings" also a common action of White Brits? | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc You do realise that white people do despicable things like that too?
Are "beheadings" also a common action of White Brits?
"Haha, yes. But in the middle ages. When did we stop hangings? Now we send them to Guantanamo bay. | |||
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"Well the one to let trump come had 200,000. " and you know why that is don't you; some petitions can be well hidden from the public eye & searches
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"Funny enough it's rank number 2 in my Google results. It's listed as a popular trend on the petitions site." true; must have been my direct whinges to Google | |||
"Personally yes, until we can get some sort of vetting system in place..... Or do we want continued terrorism, child grooming gangs, rape.....etc You do realise that white people do despicable things like that too?
Are "beheadings" also a common action of White Brits?
"Define "common". Are they a common action of anybody? (revolutionary France notwithstanding). | |||
"Funny enough it's rank number 2 in my Google results. It's listed as a popular trend on the petitions site." Oh come on, its clearly a commie/BBC plot. | |||
"Funny enough it's rank number 2 in my Google results. It's listed as a popular trend on the petitions site. true; must have been my direct whinges to Google "Google is watching... | |||
" http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html Try telling this to the poor lad on the news today who watched his grandad,dad and brother shoot dead in the Tunisia attack" Well, there we you go. You hit the nail on the head with a pretty exact definition of terrorism. The whole point of terrorism is to cause terror. It is not about killing a statistically large number of people. It is about making people afraid. It is about dividing people. It is about turning people against each other. Trump is just doing exactly what the terrorists want. -Matt | |||
"It's a toughy !!! Thers good and bad in everyone !! I have a few Muslim friend who would take a bullet for me and would keep the U.K. safe too !!! But then there's bad Christians too and let's not go down the chatholic root !!!! Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site " This is bullshit your assuming something you don't know about. I don't pretend to know but I know better to second guess people. | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for Get rid of BBC presenters and priests too. There have been more scandals and cover ups with Brits. Football coaches too. Disgusting professions" Are you serious you get nonces in any professions. This witch hunting of a group of people is as bad as religious rhetoric. | |||
"It's a toughy !!! Thers good and bad in everyone !! I have a few Muslim friend who would take a bullet for me and would keep the U.K. safe too !!! But then there's bad Christians too and let's not go down the chatholic root !!!! Doubt if a muslim would take a bullet for you Especially if your muslim friends knew you was on a sex site This is bullshit your assuming something you don't know about. I don't pretend to know but I know better to second guess people." All Muslims have an unquestioning monothought, which includes finding beheadings acceptable, apparently. | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for Get rid of BBC presenters and priests too. There have been more scandals and cover ups with Brits. Football coaches too. Disgusting professions Are you serious you get nonces in any professions. This witch hunting of a group of people is as bad as religious rhetoric." It was sarcasm..... | |||
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"The not well disguised hierarchy of humanity that the Trump administration is promoting is no different to Nazism. When someone suggests that one group of people, based on colour or creed, are better or worse than another group, we have a hierarchy. The Nazi's called this Untermenschen - where some groups of people were labelled as "sub-humans". For the Nazis it was Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Gays, and others at the bottom, Aryan/blond haired/blue eyed Germans at the top. For Trump it starts with Muslims from some countries. What's the next step? Muslims from 20 countries? Then 70 countries? Then no more Blacks or Jews? At some point it could be you, or me, or someone we know. It happens step by step, we need to be guarded that we (the West) don't sleepwalk into Fascism. 5 years ago I would have said I can never foresee a major war in the West again. But with the divisions being sewn in Europe and now in the US, I'd say it's possible I might see war in my lifetime in Europe and the West. Walls, divisions, prejudice, nationalism, protectionism are the ingredients for hatred and war. One of the founding aims of Europe/EU is that people who mix together, talk with each other, do business with each other, travel and live together, are much much less likely to go to war with each other. EU has far greater chance of becoming a fascist state than the US. In fact it pretty much already has, hence why the UK left. Germany has always wanted complete dominance over western and central Europe. Now they have it. Racist sentiment IS NOT Facism. The fact that so many think it is only stands as a testament to how dreadful state education is. Chancellor Merkel essentially sits as pretty much a supreme ruler, the government is a coalition between the four largest parties and she controls both commerce and the executive. As said, the very nature of the separation of powers has meant that the US could never really exist as a Fascist state the in the traditional sense. Besides its just not very American." Do you know part of the definition of facism is being extremely right wing. If you think the EU is more right wing than the US, particularly given the current government there, then you're not an idiot, you are simply deluded. Or need to buy a dictionary. | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for Get rid of BBC presenters and priests too. There have been more scandals and cover ups with Brits. Football coaches too. Disgusting professions Are you serious you get nonces in any professions. This witch hunting of a group of people is as bad as religious rhetoric. It was sarcasm....." Ok I did think that but with some of the views on here it's hard to tell. It's all well and good taking a hardline view of something but if you get your information from a daily rag it's best not to. | |||
"Ban religion I say." I'm with you on that one, commrade, but I think our ultra-right friends would argue that somehow Christianity is a moderate, tolerant religion, whereas Islam is not..... | |||
"It would be impossible to ban farts "I'm starting a petition to keep farts. I like farting and I'm proud of it. | |||
"Do you feel like you’re more likely than ever to be hit by a terror attack? This is why you're wrong... At the current level of activity, their odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in a given year are less than two ten-thousandths of one per cent. That’s 27 times lower than their odds of dying in a car accident. In Turkey, the probability is lower. 194 people killed in attacks since the start of 2015, with a population of 80 million gives each one of them a roughly one ten-thousandth of one percent chance of being killed in one, in any given year. In Iraq, the numbers are much worse. Iraq, of course, is enmeshed in the horror of a full-on civil war in which tens of thousands have lost their lives, so this kind of analysis is both trickier and seems a little moot. But still, we have to recognise that there have been at least 13 terror attacks in Iraq on civilian populations since the start of 2015, killing more than 650 people. Even away from the front-line of the civil war, Isis’ victims are overwhelmingly Muslim. Even in Iraq though, your odds of being caught in one of these attacks are less than one in a hundred thousand. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html Try telling this to the poor lad on the news today who watched his grandad,dad and brother shoot dead in the Tunisia attack" Hard cases make bad examples; simple fact of the matter is that you are far more likely to die in a car, at your own hands. Maybe with your family. It's about the difference between risk and the perception of risk | |||
"Exactly why should we be scared in our own country. I think twice because of terrorists it's about time we eliminated the threat they have a plan at the moment we haven't and that's what we employ politicians for Get rid of BBC presenters and priests too. There have been more scandals and cover ups with Brits. Football coaches too. Disgusting professions Are you serious you get nonces in any professions. This witch hunting of a group of people is as bad as religious rhetoric. It was sarcasm....." It was. I realise my British humour needs a smiley. | |||
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"The terrorist isn't here to just scare and terrorise us they want our way of life to cease and we all follow the rule of the Koran and im talking about Muslims yes there are other terror groups but the one we should all worry about is mainly from these countries. You could pick up on my grammar or pull apart my post and question my facts in a humorous way and that's why they are winning because we do nothing about this problem other than turn the other cheek. " It must be stressful being you. | |||
"Ban religion I say. I'm with you on that one, commrade, but I think our ultra-right friends would argue that somehow Christianity is a moderate, tolerant religion, whereas Islam is not..... "Ok while i do not say ban religion I also dont think mine has a manopoly on kindness compassion or wisdom. I also dont say people with no religion lack any of these traits as a result. Oh wait I am a lefty Liberal sex addict. | |||
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"The terrorist isn't here to just scare and terrorise us they want our way of life to cease and we all follow the rule of the Koran and im talking about Muslims yes there are other terror groups but the one we should all worry about is mainly from these countries. You could pick up on my grammar or pull apart my post and question my facts in a humorous way and that's why they are winning because we do nothing about this problem other than turn the other cheek. " That sounds like war or conquering. Not terrorists. Doesn't that change the game? Nations hide behind collateral damage when our armies kill civilians. | |||
"The terrorist isn't here to just scare and terrorise us they want our way of life to cease and we all follow the rule of the Koran and im talking about Muslims yes there are other terror groups but the one we should all worry about is mainly from these countries. You could pick up on my grammar or pull apart my post and question my facts in a humorous way and that's why they are winning because we do nothing about this problem other than turn the other cheek. That sounds like war or conquering. Not terrorists. Doesn't that change the game? Nations hide behind collateral damage when our armies kill civilians." It is a war. Simple as. We bomb them, they bomb us. Only differnce is our bombs cost more. | |||
"Ban religion I say. I'm with you on that one, commrade, but I think our ultra-right friends would argue that somehow Christianity is a moderate, tolerant religion, whereas Islam is not..... ""I give you one final commandment love each other as i have you" | |||
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"We usually follow on from Americas lead. They wanted to introduce a multi-cultural society and all it did was create Ghetto's and segregation. Same is happening in the UK. Asians Polish etc all live in certain areas of the UK with their own culture where the white UK person is in the minority. Again all it causes is segregation and not a cohesive multi cultural society. We dont live in the idealistic world where we will all embrace each others different cultures and live along side each other as Brothers and Sisters and live happily ever after together " Are you sure that's how segregation started in the USA, rather than being rooted in slavery? Also, there are places in the UK where communities mix well, like Leicester. Which funnily enough votes to remain. All it took there was a bit of imagination and effort. | |||
"We usually follow on from Americas lead. They wanted to introduce a multi-cultural society and all it did was create Ghetto's and segregation. Same is happening in the UK. Asians Polish etc all live in certain areas of the UK with their own culture where the white UK person is in the minority. Again all it causes is segregation and not a cohesive multi cultural society. We dont live in the idealistic world where we will all embrace each others different cultures and live along side each other as Brothers and Sisters and live happily ever after together Are you sure that's how segregation started in the USA, rather than being rooted in slavery? Also, there are places in the UK where communities mix well, like Leicester. Which funnily enough votes to remain. All it took there was a bit of imagination and effort. " I never said it started in US? I said we usually follow suit with the US in lots of things and the idea of a cohesive multi cultural society is one example. | |||
"We usually follow on from Americas lead. They wanted to introduce a multi-cultural society and all it did was create Ghetto's and segregation. Same is happening in the UK. Asians Polish etc all live in certain areas of the UK with their own culture where the white UK person is in the minority. Again all it causes is segregation and not a cohesive multi cultural society. We dont live in the idealistic world where we will all embrace each others different cultures and live along side each other as Brothers and Sisters and live happily ever after together Are you sure that's how segregation started in the USA, rather than being rooted in slavery? Also, there are places in the UK where communities mix well, like Leicester. Which funnily enough votes to remain. All it took there was a bit of imagination and effort. " Oh come on. Everyone knows that areas where immigrants choose to settle swiftly become "ghettos" and "no-go areas for whites"....
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"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it..."Very true but people like to forget or not mention this | |||
"I feel far more threatened by the thoughts and actions of Westminster, Washington, Moscow and the main stream media than i do from the thoughts and actions of the majority of Muslims and/or people from the countries of Trumps arbitrary list of terror
It was originally obama's list bother didn't have the balls to implement it...Very true but people like to forget or not mention this"Let's use the actual history; 1. It's a list drawn up by the National Security Advisors ( at one point in the Obama administration) in response to some very hard intelligence. 2. As a result, additional ( semi covert) surveillance was used on people from some of those target countries for awhile. 3. At one point, when a specific threat was identified, the " ban" (actually it was a stop / check additional surveillance ) was enacted. Several people were identified, and detained. 4. The operation was terminated then finished. 5. Trump and Bannon found the list ( which since no longer of interest, Was just in archives,) and in order to " show his resolution" with no further analysis, Trump activated it again. Simple way to appear to be doing something, without having to do any homework. And able to say " well it was Obama's idea" | |||
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"would be more afriad of our home grown terrorists frim places like leeds or dewsbury terrorist from there have done far more damage in this country than those from abroad excepting those from over the irish sea " While that is true why have they become anti the country they live in, could it be a combination of the attacks on their country of roots plus radicalisation and ISIS have openly said they have/are sending people over here, Bush and Blair caused a lot of this and now somehow we have to find a way of stopping it | |||
" the idea of a cohesive multi cultural society is one example." The US was built on immigration, from all kinds of places. It's not a modern 'idea'. | |||
" the idea of a cohesive multi cultural society is one example. The US was built on immigration, from all kinds of places. It's not a modern 'idea'." So was the UK..... | |||
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"AOL says 70% agree They're just hoping for faster internet! Seriously, these surveys are like going to your local pub and asking everyone "do you like alcohol?" Some will say no, most will say yes! To be fair the yougov survey will be a proper demographically conteoled one to produce a decent sample of the population " Bollocks You do realise that YOUGOV are making a profile on you for all you complete in their surveys only you can decide what profile they have on you, they even have your post code (if you give them the correct one), earnings, size of home, you need to be very careful on what you let slip to YOUGOV | |||
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"AOL says 70% agree They're just hoping for faster internet! Seriously, these surveys are like going to your local pub and asking everyone "do you like alcohol?" Some will say no, most will say yes! To be fair the yougov survey will be a proper demographically conteoled one to produce a decent sample of the population Bollocks You do realise that YOUGOV are making a profile on you for all you complete in their surveys only you can decide what profile they have on you, they even have your post code (if you give them the correct one), earnings, size of home, you need to be very careful on what you let slip to YOUGOV "The poster is correct to criticise the methodology... Unless you just want to listen to alternative facts? | |||
"AOL says 70% agree They're just hoping for faster internet! Seriously, these surveys are like going to your local pub and asking everyone "do you like alcohol?" Some will say no, most will say yes! To be fair the yougov survey will be a proper demographically conteoled one to produce a decent sample of the population Bollocks You do realise that YOUGOV are making a profile on you for all you complete in their surveys only you can decide what profile they have on you, they even have your post code (if you give them the correct one), earnings, size of home, you need to be very careful on what you let slip to YOUGOV
The poster is correct to criticise the methodology... Unless you just want to listen to alternative facts?"the only alternative I have been listening to today was "Alternative Ulster" (SLF) | |||
