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over a year ago
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To be honest when and not if we lose the oceans you can kiss your arse goodbye...
Listing the problems with them is extensive deoxygenated, acidic, 1.7 million square miles of lifeless zones, irradiated... Just the rain water run off from the land masses, you know your typical grid dumped into the local stream/River/estuaries and straight into the oceans... They say rain washes the streets clean in the towns... Well yeah straight into the water ways.
There's probably 1 person in a 100 that actually realises how dire things really are!. |
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In ten years time nobody will be worried about Isis or trump or brexit or trade or ageing populations or any of the "big issues" we portray as big...
Everybody will be saying how did this happen? |
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"In ten years time nobody will be worried about Isis or trump or brexit or trade or ageing populations or any of the "big issues" we portray as big...
Everybody will be saying how did this happen?"
But the Koch brothers will have added another $100/1000 billion to their family fortune by pumping more sulphur into the atmosphere so all will be well with the world...
No, I think I may have got something wrong there...
Ah yeah, I got it now...
The Koch brothers will have made their family richer through spending a minute part of the money they earn through holding world patents on the cracking process on climate change denial and backing politicians who are climate change deniers. (Of course the sulphuric acid rain that we all get to share is a price the Koch family think the world should be glad to pay so that they can own the biggest conglomerate you have never heard of and be the richest family in the you probably have never heard of.) |
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"Yeah but will.... Think of their philanthropy  "
Would that be the support of the Republican Tea Party?
Or maybe the boast that that they have been diverting what they should have been paying in Federal Taxes into 'charitable' organisations that campaigned to reduce corporate taxes, employment and safety regulations in the petrochemical industries?
I think the world can do with less philanthropists of that kind and more businesses that pay their taxes on all their profits where they make those profits. I know it is a radical idea, some may even see it as anti business and maybe even communist inspired, I just think it is the right thing to do... 
Never mind, some day I will start being 'grown up' about these things and get my snout in the trough like all the really 'enlightened'... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anti business!! ... You radical.
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What amazes me is how the hell they managed to convince the rest of the herd to belive the bollocks...I mean most of the mantra uttered on here even by the so called left is straight out of Thatcher's mouth |
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"Anti business!! ... You radical.
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What amazes me is how the hell they managed to convince the rest of the herd to belive the bollocks...I mean most of the mantra uttered on here even by the so called left is straight out of Thatcher's mouth"
30 years of 6 billionaires pumping the same propaganda at everyone from every news stand and you can condition all but the most cynical to believe anything you tell them. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"backing politicians who are climate change deniers. (Of course the sulphuric acid rain that we all get to share is a price the Koch family think the world should be glad to pay so that they can own the biggest conglomerate you have never heard of and be the richest family in the you probably have never heard of.)"
No such thing as acid rain in most of the western world at least, due to clean air acts etc, I now have to buy sulphur to apply to crops as we dont get enough from the rain as we used to. |
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"backing politicians who are climate change deniers. (Of course the sulphuric acid rain that we all get to share is a price the Koch family think the world should be glad to pay so that they can own the biggest conglomerate you have never heard of and be the richest family in the you probably have never heard of.)
No such thing as acid rain in most of the western world at least, due to clean air acts etc, I now have to buy sulphur to apply to crops as we dont get enough from the rain as we used to. "
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Ours used to go to Norway anyhow, it goes with the prevailing wind. |
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Here's a link to one of the lesser known problems.
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Large Swaths Of The Pacific Ocean May Actually Suffocate In Just 15 Years
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57226e80e4b0f309baf0499e/amp.
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There's much more detailed peer reviewed studies done if you look but due to rules I've found it on a allowable link |
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Like I said it's a case of when not if.
1 in 4 people globally get their main protein from the ocean.
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60-70% of the oxygen in the world is produced by phytoplankton in the oceans, due to acidification from c02 there rapidly dropping in numbers and so is atmospheric oxygen content.
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The Pacific is almost fucked, it suffers worse from the effects of el nino and la Nina, it's been really layed into by Fukushima, it's got just terrible 1000 sq miles dead spots already that just have pretty much no life left in them.
The situation is beyond dire, it's almost hopeless, when the oceans fail, pretty much all complicated life on earth will follow.... It's indeed what may be called a right predicament!! |
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I think the problem is so vast that most individuals just shrug and carry on regardless.
Theyll be plenty of squid to eat though not much else .Its very nice with chorizo.The world's oceans absorb more than a quarter of anthropogenically generated Carbon Dioxide through biological and physicochemical processes.Unfortunately this leads to ocean acidification.Thankfully Elon musk is taking humanity to mars.Well some of us.  |
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The main problem with the west is culture... For a long long time now we've monetised everything and I mean everything... It all has a £ value.... We've been mentally lead to think that money cures everything and is essential for everything (quick experiment for you... Try holding your breath while counting your money, see which you grasp for after 2 minutes?).
Anyhow over on the other many threads you'll see much arguing about, wealth, money, deflation, inflation, trade, jobs, holidays, ease of travel... Etc etc... Like these things are life essential?.
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Given what I've just told you on the various other posts, which is all true, all scientifically documented, you'd think we'd drop all that pointless nonsense and say... This needs fixing fast, there's no point redecorating when the roofs leaking and the house is subsiding!!.
No because we monetise everything and we live for today, all that matters is the house looks good today and we've got a few quid for a week in Spain.
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Until we learn that some things are beyond having a price put on them we face certain extinction, we really face that anyway, I'm not going to kid you that somehow this thing is avoidable, it isn't... It's about how long we get now, do nothing and we'll be lucky to see out 10 years, drop this culture of monetising nature and we might get 80-100 years, plus it's possible we might just leave a planet at least able to sustain life even if it's not ours.. And that's the funny thing, were all going to die anyhow, were really only taking about what we do with that time we have and how that action will effect what comes after you!! |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Like I said it's a case of when not if.
1 in 4 people globally get their main protein from the ocean.
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60-70% of the oxygen in the world is produced by phytoplankton in the oceans, due to acidification from c02 there rapidly dropping in numbers and so is atmospheric oxygen content.
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The Pacific is almost fucked, it suffers worse from the effects of el nino and la Nina, it's been really layed into by Fukushima, it's got just terrible 1000 sq miles dead spots already that just have pretty much no life left in them.
The situation is beyond dire, it's almost hopeless, when the oceans fail, pretty much all complicated life on earth will follow.... It's indeed what may be called a right predicament!!"
Where are you getting the figures for drop O levels from, a quick google search has said any drop is microscopic and when you think of how it drops with altitude and that has very little effect after a few days I dont think that we will all be dead in ten years as has been claimed in this thread |
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I agree.Maybe we need depopulation. Not very popular with the people though.
We could realease the four horsemen.
Conspiracy theorist suggest the elite are prepaing a plague to solve the problem.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The main problem with the west is culture... For a long long time now we've monetised everything and I mean everything... It all has a £ value.... We've been mentally lead to think that money cures everything and is essential for everything (quick experiment for you... Try holding your breath while counting your money, see which you grasp for after 2 minutes?).
Anyhow over on the other many threads you'll see much arguing about, wealth, money, deflation, inflation, trade, jobs, holidays, ease of travel... Etc etc... Like these things are life essential?.
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Given what I've just told you on the various other posts, which is all true, all scientifically documented, you'd think we'd drop all that pointless nonsense and say... This needs fixing fast, there's no point redecorating when the roofs leaking and the house is subsiding!!.
No because we monetise everything and we live for today, all that matters is the house looks good today and we've got a few quid for a week in Spain.
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Until we learn that some things are beyond having a price put on them we face certain extinction, we really face that anyway, I'm not going to kid you that somehow this thing is avoidable, it isn't... It's about how long we get now, do nothing and we'll be lucky to see out 10 years, drop this culture of monetising nature and we might get 80-100 years, plus it's possible we might just leave a planet at least able to sustain life even if it's not ours.. And that's the funny thing, were all going to die anyhow, were really only taking about what we do with that time we have and how that action will effect what comes after you!!"
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Where are you getting the figures for drop O levels from, a quick google search has said any drop is microscopic and when you think of how it drops with altitude and that has very little effect after a few days I dont think that we will all be dead in ten years as has been claimed in this thread"
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You can look at many studies done showing the atmospheric lowering of 02.. 02 is basically oxidising with lots of other elements, cars swallow 1000s of litres, power stations, cooking, heating, rusting... Like I said Phytoplankton creates well over 50% , the general greening from climate warming over the last few decades is helping but not enough to out weigh the losses.
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I'll say I'm reading my own interpretations into that ten year figure, however I'm not alone, many experts in the field think it could be next year or ten years but probably not more than 20 years.
In 2009 there were no self reinforcing feedbacks known about.
In 2010 they found 1
In 2011 they found 2 more
In 2013 they found 4 more
Then 7 more
Today only 6 years later they know there's been 30 self reinforcing feed backs, there self feeding they don't need man made gases to sustain and there driving heating rapidly, even if humans disappear tomorrow they'll take a hundred years to shut down (best guess).. There driving warming and their doing what they did since forever.
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Last year the world's foremost expert on methane clathrates frozen in artic tundra warned she thought it was highly likely to see a 1 billon tonne burp of methane within ten years but possible tomorrow, there's estimated to be 10-30 giga tonnes of methane frozen in the artic, it's bubbling up in 20 mile square patches of the northern Atlantic as I type... Unfrozen from the 1.2 degrees of warming we've already created.... And Donny tiny hands is gonna ramp up the volume  .
Were already in the sixth great extinction, we just haven't realised were part of that process yet? |
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By *obka3Couple
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Where are you getting the figures for drop O levels from, a quick google search has said any drop is microscopic and when you think of how it drops with altitude and that has very little effect after a few days I dont think that we will all be dead in ten years as has been claimed in this thread.
You can look at many studies done showing the atmospheric lowering of 02.. 02 is basically oxidising with lots of other elements, cars swallow 1000s of litres, power stations, cooking, heating, rusting... Like I said Phytoplankton creates well over 50% , the general greening from climate warming over the last few decades is helping but not enough to out weigh the losses.
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I'll say I'm reading my own interpretations into that ten year figure, however I'm not alone, many experts in the field think it could be next year or ten years but probably not more than 20 years.
In 2009 there were no self reinforcing feedbacks known about.
In 2010 they found 1
In 2011 they found 2 more
In 2013 they found 4 more
Then 7 more
Today only 6 years later they know there's been 30 self reinforcing feed backs, there self feeding they don't need man made gases to sustain and there driving heating rapidly, even if humans disappear tomorrow they'll take a hundred years to shut down (best guess).. There driving warming and their doing what they did since forever.
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Last year the world's foremost expert on methane clathrates frozen in artic tundra warned she thought it was highly likely to see a 1 billon tonne burp of methane within ten years but possible tomorrow, there's estimated to be 10-30 giga tonnes of methane frozen in the artic, it's bubbling up in 20 mile square patches of the northern Atlantic as I type... Unfrozen from the 1.2 degrees of warming we've already created.... And Donny tiny hands is gonna ramp up the volume .
Were already in the sixth great extinction, we just haven't realised were part of that process yet?"
According to the nat geographic mag article I read sea temps have only risen 0.1 degree, now not saying thats right or wrong but there seems to be huge differences in figures and claims |
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According to the nat geographic mag article I read sea temps have only risen 0.1 degree, now not saying thats right or wrong but there seems to be huge differences in figures and claims "
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Noao figures are always lower than NASA and meteorological, the oceans just don't warm as fast as the land mass.
Like the 1.2 degree figure, it's an average which means some places might be cooler some places the same some alot hotter... Like the Arctic being 22 degrees warmer than average..
Unfortunately the way the earth distributes heat the places that get the worst effects are the places you really don't want warming |
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