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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Read the following tweet:
"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
I think that's true. It relates to Trump and Brexit and who we elect. |
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"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule."
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy. |
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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago
Limavady |
"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy."
I thoroughly support peaceful protest and don't agree with the concept of using violent protest. Civil disobedience is entirelessly justifiable but NOT violence. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Read the following tweet:
"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
I think that's true. It relates to Trump and Brexit and who we elect. "
I would agree with the last sentence in general
but there are in this case "issues"......
if THAT has been the first tweet that president trump had posted on in reaction to the women's march on sunday morning... i would have delighted!!!
but unfortunately it wasn't.... so it has to be taken in context to the first tweet he sent on sunday morning which was....
" Watched protests yesterday but was under the impression that we just had an election! Why didn't these people vote? Celebs hurt cause badly."
which make you think.... who has his ear?.... and also fits in with the "alternative facts" narrative pushed by kellyanne conway...... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
so its a case of how people react to peaceful protest... which some here have ignored and instead decided to focus on one woman at the protest swearing!
the question is can people turn "protest" into "movement"........
its a good start.... they got people going to rsvp on social media, they got people there to text a number to leave details, which them lead them to register email addresses'
from a data grab POV...... it has been very smart and very powerful so far...... they can use numbers to influence people and pressure on people who are up for re-election |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"so its a case of how people react to peaceful protest... which some here have ignored and instead decided to focus on one woman at the protest swearing!
the question is can people turn "protest" into "movement"........
its a good start.... they got people going to rsvp on social media, they got people there to text a number to leave details, which them lead them to register email addresses'
from a data grab POV...... it has been very smart and very powerful so far...... they can use numbers to influence people and pressure on people who are up for re-election"
In context the tweets, they were awful and this does not seem genuine. But the fact it was said and had Donald Trump's name to it for me makes it easier for us to protest the referendum or anything we voted on and is seen as democracy. But the people who would disagree avoided this thread so far.
As for peaceful or violent. It depends on the context. If there were violent protests against a regime, which creates a movement or revolution then it may be acceptable. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"so its a case of how people react to peaceful protest... which some here have ignored and instead decided to focus on one woman at the protest swearing!
the question is can people turn "protest" into "movement"........
its a good start.... they got people going to rsvp on social media, they got people there to text a number to leave details, which them lead them to register email addresses'
from a data grab POV...... it has been very smart and very powerful so far...... they can use numbers to influence people and pressure on people who are up for re-election
In context the tweets, they were awful and this does not seem genuine. But the fact it was said and had Donald Trump's name to it for me makes it easier for us to protest the referendum or anything we voted on and is seen as democracy. But the people who would disagree avoided this thread so far.
As for peaceful or violent. It depends on the context. If there were violent protests against a regime, which creates a movement or revolution then it may be acceptable."
A protest is not the same as a revolution |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens. |
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"Civil disobedience is entirelessly justifiable but NOT violence. "
So if tomorrow our government decide to dissolve parliament and rule by decree forming gangs of paramilitary pro government thugs (lets call yellow pants [because if I said brown shirts I would be accused of playing a nazi card]) to break up any protest or decent do you still believe that even then there is no justification for resorting to violent protest and resistance of government? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy."
Not in this country there isn't. Our democracy is formed in such a way to negate the need for uncivilised acts such as you encourage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Civil disobedience is entirelessly justifiable but NOT violence.
So if tomorrow our government decide to dissolve parliament and rule by decree forming gangs of paramilitary pro government thugs (lets call yellow pants [because if I said brown shirts I would be accused of playing a nazi card]) to break up any protest or decent do you still believe that even then there is no justification for resorting to violent protest and resistance of government? "
Read my earlier post about our democracy. However, I will respond in an equally realistic manner. Little green beings form planet Zarg who are using our planet for an experiment will intervene, smack everyone on the bot bot and send us all to bed without dinner  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"so its a case of how people react to peaceful protest... which some here have ignored and instead decided to focus on one woman at the protest swearing!
the question is can people turn "protest" into "movement"........
its a good start.... they got people going to rsvp on social media, they got people there to text a number to leave details, which them lead them to register email addresses'
from a data grab POV...... it has been very smart and very powerful so far...... they can use numbers to influence people and pressure on people who are up for re-election
In context the tweets, they were awful and this does not seem genuine. But the fact it was said and had Donald Trump's name to it for me makes it easier for us to protest the referendum or anything we voted on and is seen as democracy. But the people who would disagree avoided this thread so far.
As for peaceful or violent. It depends on the context. If there were violent protests against a regime, which creates a movement or revolution then it may be acceptable.
A protest is not the same as a revolution"
I didn't say they were the same. I meant it could result into one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens."
...or protest about the illegal settlements on the west bank.  |
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"Not in this country there isn't. Our democracy is formed in such a way to negate the need for uncivilised acts such as you encourage."
I am pretty sure that the German people of the Wiemar Republic thought something similar while extremism was taking hold in minority parties of the right and left (the German establishment certainly did)! |
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"Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens."
Or maybe parts of the good old USA? |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens."
That is not how SJWs operate |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens.
That is not how SJWs operate"
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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago
Limavady |
"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens."
Perhaps not BUT
The fall of the Berlin Wall came after peaceful protest.
Indian independence came following peaceful protest.
The end of South African apartheid came after peaceful protests.
The relaxation of election laws in Myanmar came after peaceful protests
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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago
Limavady |
"Civil disobedience is entirelessly justifiable but NOT violence.
So if tomorrow our government decide to dissolve parliament and rule by decree forming gangs of paramilitary pro government thugs (lets call yellow pants [because if I said brown shirts I would be accused of playing a nazi card]) to break up any protest or decent do you still believe that even then there is no justification for resorting to violent protest and resistance of government? "
That's correct that I would oppose violence. You equate the resistance of government with violence. I don't; have a look at Mahatma Ghandi or the Dalai Lama. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy.
I thoroughly support peaceful protest and don't agree with the concept of using violent protest. Civil disobedience is entirelessly justifiable but NOT violence. "
i think violence against people can be justified, as we can see war already does the same thing...and that's what a revolution is, it's war against leaders who are oppressors.
violence against property i 100% support.
peaceful means never works. has wall st crumbled or the economy system been dismantled? no. peaceful all the way that one. |
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"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens."
I don't get what you are suggesting - are you suggesting if they did they would realise how 'free' they are in the US? And does that de-legitamise the US protests at all? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What are the protests about?
They don't like the result so they are throwing their toys out of the pram."
Is it just these protests or all protests?
A lot of civil rights movements were started from protests. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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was women against trump that last one, next week black lives matter are going on one.
there's loads of protests every day though tbh, you just don't hear about them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are the protests about?
They don't like the result so they are throwing their toys out of the pram."
...actually the Women's protest was about dt''s policy on cutting funding for abortion clinic's. Oh,and his policy of grabbing women by the pussy.  |
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"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens.
I don't get what you are suggesting - are you suggesting if they did they would realise how 'free' they are in the US? And does that de-legitamise the US protests at all?"
Exactly, and in actual fact, this is one of those things that does have a "trickle down" effect (economics does not).
Those countries with good human rights, tend to put pressure, or assist others in getting to the same (or as good as can be realistically achieved) levels.
So if those with the best start cutting back on those rights, it legitimises it down the stack and rights are curtailed everywhere.
Now obviously there are places that stick out and don't crumble to pressure, due to their political system being totally insane (N. Korea), or by having too much oil money... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. The right to protest is, however.
Sometime l wish the people protesting Trump could go to a part of the world with real discrimination and tyranny and Protest there. Protest about the lack of Churches in Saudia Arabia or the illegality of homosexuality and see what happens."
Or we could closer to home speek out about the one subject that has REALLY angered me for years this country of ours ignoring the fact that there is White British child abusers including ones from those same churches you talk about the so called 'men of the cloth' Do we complain about them NO do we complain about another nationality abusing a child YES. Like you bringing Saudi Arabia into this discussion and there lack of churches it's easier to find someone else to blame than look at what's happening on our own doorstep. I'm proud to say 'I'm British and that's why i'm happy to bury my head in the sand to what is happening in the country i say i love and spend all my time looking for other's to blame'.
Well done on ignoring the children who have been abused by anyone White and British.
And that is just one of the examples why i say this country will never be GREAT again not because of the EU or anything to do with immigration because the people are so small minded ignore or twist the facts to suit there own view.
Bring up what the Saudi's do wrong but do not under any circumstances talk about anything that a British citizen dies wrong.
P.S Today Trump put a gagging order on Abortion clinics who receive any government funding so if you pro or anti Trump say's keep your mouth shut, yeah Donald believes in freedom and democracy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are the protests about?
They don't like the result so they are throwing their toys out of the pram....actually the Women's protest was about dt''s policy on cutting funding for abortion clinic's. Oh,and his policy of grabbing women by the pussy. "
Don't see a problem with the 2nd one  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are the protests about?
They don't like the result so they are throwing their toys out of the pram....actually the Women's protest was about dt''s policy on cutting funding for abortion clinic's. Oh,and his policy of grabbing women by the pussy.
Don't see a problem with the 2nd one "
Was thinking the same thing, after all I like grabbing women by the pussy  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy.
Not in this country there isn't. Our democracy is formed in such a way to negate the need for uncivilised acts such as you encourage."
Is it peaceful in your bubble? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy.
Not in this country there isn't. Our democracy is formed in such a way to negate the need for uncivilised acts such as you encourage.
Is it peaceful in your bubble?"
Yes, thank you  |
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"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy.
Not in this country there isn't. Our democracy is formed in such a way to negate the need for uncivilised acts such as you encourage.
Is it peaceful in your bubble?
Yes, thank you "
Yes absolutely xx more so than majority vote rules in my opinion but should also be peaceful xx |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Yes it is democracy, but it is not democracy to make a country that voted remain to be bullied into following uks decision."
So was it democracy when labour won a general election based on scots votes when england voted tory ? Like it or not the UK is ONE country for the referendum |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The words "peaceful" and "protest" must be observed together.
Anything else is heading towards mob rule.
Like it or not there is also a place for civil disobedience and violent protest in the protection of democracy.
I thoroughly support peaceful protest and don't agree with the concept of using violent protest. Civil disobedience is entirelessly justifiable but NOT violence. "
Not always true, when civil disobedience escalates into violent resistance it's often because it was being countered by unjustifiable violence.
To use an extreme example, the Nazi's came to power by lawful means and all their racial laws were introduced through due process. Keeping that in mind derailing a train full of racial prisoners on route from Cologne to Dachau would have been a crime. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"What are the protests about?
They don't like the result so they are throwing their toys out of the pram."
Just like the SNP . . they didn't like the referendum Britain held on Europe. . they participated in the vote yet won't accept the democratic result.
Yes toys out of the pram and dummy spat out here too |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"What are the protests about?
They don't like the result so they are throwing their toys out of the pram."
Just like the SNP . . they didn't like the referendum Britain held on Europe. . they participated in the vote yet won't accept the democratic result.
Yes toys out of the pram and dummy spat out here too |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
In my opinion, and opinions are like Clitoris's.. every fanny has one . . violent protest can ONLY be justified IF AND WHEN a nation finds its whole democratic foundation is under threat.
To defend its right to exist. .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes it is democracy, but it is not democracy to make a country that voted remain to be bullied into following uks decision.
So was it democracy when labour won a general election based on scots votes when england voted tory ? Like it or not the UK is ONE country for the referendum "
You can see it as different things, with brexit it cant be turned back into time and whats done is done and yeah, it is a shame scotland need to be dragged down with uk, lets hope for the best for scotland. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"Yes it is democracy, but it is not democracy to make a country that voted remain to be bullied into following uks decision."
Scotland participated in a referendum that included the whole of Britain. . it wasn't a vote just for Scotland. . just cause the result didn't go as one part wanted then tough. . . that's democracy. To make exceptions is to 're write the meaning of the word democracy.
That vote was a decision that Britain as a whole took. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Technically they should be arrested for disturbing the peace. Everything has to be put on hold. They rarely achieve anything. All it does is put more strain on the treasury, which affects everybody. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read the following tweet:
"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
I think that's true. It relates to Trump and Brexit and who we elect. "
From the standpoint of the USA right of peaceful protest, is constituationally protected. The constitution and its amendments were written to prevent tyrannical governments and their leaders from taking over. Its a very good document people should take time out to have a read of it.
In the UK, the right to peaceful protest is enshrined in law under the human rights act, as part to hold governments to account lest they fall into tyranny.
I believe in right of peaceful protest that any free society should have.
Great changes have happened due to people holding government to account through this method.
Instruments like peaceful protests are the only way sometimes when all hope is lost |
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"From the standpoint of the USA right of peaceful protest, is constituationally protected. The constitution and its amendments were written to prevent tyrannical governments and their leaders from taking over. Its a very good document people should take time out to have a read of it.
In the UK, the right to peaceful protest is enshrined in law under the human rights act, as part to hold governments to account lest they fall into tyranny."
Except when a US state Governor orders imposes martial law and orders the National Guard to clear the streets of protesters. Then it is OK to shoot dead anyone thought to be protesting peaceful or not...
And in the UK there is NO right to protest. Any person or organisation wishing to hold any sort of massed gathering (protest or not) regardless of where it is to be held must seek permission from the police. The Chief Constable must notify the Home Office and the Ministry go Justice and if any of the 3, the Home Secretary or the Minister of Justice object then if the gathering happens it is illegal and can be broken up by police. Also the organisers will have committed criminal offences and be subject to prosecution and imprisonment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How the fuck did this manage to turn into a Brexit thread?  "
Yeah. Keep it on topic, _oma.
Save your rants for more appropriate threads.
On the subject of protest, it can be difficult to keep legitimate peaceful protests peaceful when the forces of law and order resort to kettling. A tactic designed to instigate trouble and, therefore, present protesters as troublemakers. |
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