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"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... " I think we just need to allow the Brexiters to get on with it now and then see where we are a year or 18 months down the line. A viote for Brexit was absolutely not a vote for the break up of the United Kingdom, it was not a vote for the return of hard borders to N Ireland and it was not a vote for higher prices, increased taxes, a faltering economy and higher unemployment. None of this has yet happened and indeed it may never happen. But the direction of hard brexit, with demands for some kind of "frictionless access" (new made up Brexit word seemingly) to the single market and bespoke arrangements by sector with the customs union is not the stuff to inspire confidence that it won't. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... " Oooo, runs down the road waving hands in abhorrence. Not. | |||
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"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... " Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Expert Economists back tracking and saying their Project Fear predictions were their "Michael Fish" moment.
So Project Fear has been shown now for the Bullshit that it was. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
"Front of the queue for a TTIP. Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it) Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech "From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first. Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families." Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days" Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US; | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
"I doubt trump will put forward a TTIP style deal - he knows it was one of the things people liked about him over clinton. That said, he said very clearly, "it's all about putting america first" or something to that effect, in relation to trade. So, I can see that 'special relationship' going out of the window. I think we'll be lucky if we get a mutually beneficial, bilateral trade deal. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... " Pound tanked: To put this in proper perspective, I suggest you look at the movement of UKP against the euro over the past 2-3 years. For much of that time, the rate was similar to what it is today, sometimes even worse. As an importer, I am all too aware of the volatility of exchange rates. Inflation up: how long did you think that the QE-fuelled fools' paradise in which we have been living in recent years, would continue? Bankers moving jobs: yes, some jobs will inevitably be transferred, but this was expected. No news there. Don't worry, the city of London will remain the destination of choice for the world's crooked politicians, drugs dealers and oligarchs to park and launder their dirty money. America putting itself first: how very dare they! But nothing to do with brexit. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
I doubt trump will put forward a TTIP style deal - he knows it was one of the things people liked about him over clinton.
That said, he said very clearly, "it's all about putting america first" or something to that effect, in relation to trade. So, I can see that 'special relationship' going out of the window. I think we'll be lucky if we get a mutually beneficial, bilateral trade deal."TTIP is exactly the deal that the US wants; Oh and by the way; " special relationship" is a term used in UK, but almost unknown in the US - it was invented in a speech by Churchill in 1946 to try to manipulate the US into more support for Europe. UK politicians love it as it makes them feel they have something special; To Americans, - huh? | |||
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"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
"Knew you would try to spin it like that. The reality is Trump despises the EU and it's the EU at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America now. The EU is a less attractive market without Britain as a part of it. Trump will have talked to his close friend Nigel Farage at length about Brexit (they have met 3 times since Trump won) and he will know a TTIP style trade deal will be a non starter with Britain. Trump is a business man and a deal maker, he will make a deal with Britain that works for America and Britain. Why would he do it? Well again I prefer to listen to what his close personal friends have been saying on the matter, people like Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan voted Remain in the referendum but as a democrat he accepts the result. Now he says Trump has told him he feels half British ( Scottish mother), Trump loves Britain, and without Brexit would never have won the Presidency. Brexit was his inspiration and now he has put his neck on the line by saying "Britain was so smart in getting out of the EU", and "Britain is doing great, Britain is in a great position", and "the British people took their country back, it's a great thing what the people did", do you seriously think he'll want to see Britain fail now? If Britain fails he is going to look like an idiot on the world stage after saying those things, so he won't allow Britain to fail, it's in his interest to see Britain succed. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
I doubt trump will put forward a TTIP style deal - he knows it was one of the things people liked about him over clinton.
That said, he said very clearly, "it's all about putting america first" or something to that effect, in relation to trade. So, I can see that 'special relationship' going out of the window. I think we'll be lucky if we get a mutually beneficial, bilateral trade deal.
TTIP is exactly the deal that the US wants;
Oh and by the way;
" special relationship" is a term used in UK, but almost unknown in the US - it was invented in a speech by Churchill in 1946 to try to manipulate the US into more support for Europe. UK politicians love it as it makes them feel they have something special;
To Americans, - huh?
"Speaking of Churchill the bust of Winston Churchill is now back in the oval office in the White House at the request of Donald Trump (after Obama had it removed). So yeah the special relationship between America and Britain is alive and well. The relationship between Trump and the EU though, well that is in tatters. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
Knew you would try to spin it like that. The reality is Trump despises the EU and it's the EU at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America now. The EU is a less attractive market without Britain as a part of it. Trump will have talked to his close friend Nigel Farage at length about Brexit (they have met 3 times since Trump won) and he will know a TTIP style trade deal will be a non starter with Britain. Trump is a business man and a deal maker, he will make a deal with Britain that works for America and Britain. Why would he do it? Well again I prefer to listen to what his close personal friends have been saying on the matter, people like Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan voted Remain in the referendum but as a democrat he accepts the result. Now he says Trump has told him he feels half British ( Scottish mother), Trump loves Britain, and without Brexit would never have won the Presidency. Brexit was his inspiration and now he has put his neck on the line by saying "Britain was so smart in getting out of the EU", and "Britain is doing great, Britain is in a great position", and "the British people took their country back, it's a great thing what the people did", do you seriously think he'll want to see Britain fail now? If Britain fails he is going to look like an idiot on the world stage after saying those things, so he won't allow Britain to fail, it's in his interest to see Britain succed. "Get real; he doesn't give a fuck.... Except to wring some money out of it, and build golf courses on the rest. They will Buy up the rest of the NHS... Nip out and check how much of the NHS service and establishments are actually contracted out, then check how many of those providers are US companies... | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
Knew you would try to spin it like that. The reality is Trump despises the EU and it's the EU at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America now. The EU is a less attractive market without Britain as a part of it. Trump will have talked to his close friend Nigel Farage at length about Brexit (they have met 3 times since Trump won) and he will know a TTIP style trade deal will be a non starter with Britain. Trump is a business man and a deal maker, he will make a deal with Britain that works for America and Britain. Why would he do it? Well again I prefer to listen to what his close personal friends have been saying on the matter, people like Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan voted Remain in the referendum but as a democrat he accepts the result. Now he says Trump has told him he feels half British ( Scottish mother), Trump loves Britain, and without Brexit would never have won the Presidency. Brexit was his inspiration and now he has put his neck on the line by saying "Britain was so smart in getting out of the EU", and "Britain is doing great, Britain is in a great position", and "the British people took their country back, it's a great thing what the people did", do you seriously think he'll want to see Britain fail now? If Britain fails he is going to look like an idiot on the world stage after saying those things, so he won't allow Britain to fail, it's in his interest to see Britain succed.
Get real; he doesn't give a fuck....
Except to wring some money out of it, and build golf courses on the rest.
They will Buy up the rest of the NHS...
Nip out and check how much of the NHS service and establishments are actually contracted out, then check how many of those providers are US companies..."Agreed. 
Look, I really hope that trump does give us a nice trade deal which benefits us both equally - but I doubt he will. Or he might but the republican party and senators who basically say yes and amend agreement will try to push for TTIP-eque deals or a deal in favour of America, seeing as how it is the the bigger economic player.
Also, most of the time when trump gets involved with other businesses he screws them over or leaves them, and their area poorer. His ex-business partners call him either incompetent, a crook, or a dishonest man.
So basically I am sceptical as to whether he gives us an equally beneficial agreement. | |||
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" So yeah the special relationship between America and Britain is alive and well. The relationship between Trump and the EU though, well that is in tatters. " There is no 'special relationship' outside of the Sun newsroom!, no special relationship over Suez no special relationship over the Falklands no special relationship over Grenada and there won't be over US-UK trade either. | |||
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" So yeah the special relationship between America and Britain is alive and well. The relationship between Trump and the EU though, well that is in tatters. There is no 'special relationship' outside of the Sun newsroom!, no special relationship over Suez no special relationship over the Falklands no special relationship over Grenada and there won't be over US-UK trade either." Yes; this; eg Falklands; Let's try to remember who told the Argentinians that they could get away with invading... Let's try to remember who tried to dissuade the UK From taking military action Who tried to prevent UK from upgrading its weapons Who dropped the UK in the shit over Suez Grenada? Well.... The US thinks we are special? Bollocks. Our only use was to be a big aircraft carrier during the Cold War, And lend some legitimacy to Iraq war. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Front of the queue for a TTIP.
Well done; wasn't that what BREXIT said the EU wanted to join? Except the EU turned it down because the US wanted to take control, and buy up the hospitals, and the infrastructure (the U.K. Government were the ones who were the fervent cheerleaders for it)
Note Trump's words on deals; quote from his speech
"From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families."
Good luck with being fucked up the arse in your trade deal " in 90 days"
Trade deals with the US are only ever made to benefit the US;
Knew you would try to spin it like that. The reality is Trump despises the EU and it's the EU at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America now. The EU is a less attractive market without Britain as a part of it. Trump will have talked to his close friend Nigel Farage at length about Brexit (they have met 3 times since Trump won) and he will know a TTIP style trade deal will be a non starter with Britain. Trump is a business man and a deal maker, he will make a deal with Britain that works for America and Britain. Why would he do it? Well again I prefer to listen to what his close personal friends have been saying on the matter, people like Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan voted Remain in the referendum but as a democrat he accepts the result. Now he says Trump has told him he feels half British ( Scottish mother), Trump loves Britain, and without Brexit would never have won the Presidency. Brexit was his inspiration and now he has put his neck on the line by saying "Britain was so smart in getting out of the EU", and "Britain is doing great, Britain is in a great position", and "the British people took their country back, it's a great thing what the people did", do you seriously think he'll want to see Britain fail now? If Britain fails he is going to look like an idiot on the world stage after saying those things, so he won't allow Britain to fail, it's in his interest to see Britain succed.
Get real; he doesn't give a fuck....
Except to wring some money out of it, and build golf courses on the rest.
They will Buy up the rest of the NHS...
Nip out and check how much of the NHS service and establishments are actually contracted out, then check how many of those providers are US companies..."On the other hand, still free at point of use. Trump is a world wide reality check. Let's hope the world takes notice If not,much worse could follow | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Pound tanked: To put this in proper perspective, I suggest you look at the movement of UKP against the euro over the past 2-3 years. For much of that time, the rate was similar to what it is today, sometimes even worse. As an importer, I am all too aware of the volatility of exchange rates. Inflation up: how long did you think that the QE-fuelled fools' paradise in which we have been living in recent years, would continue? Bankers moving jobs: yes, some jobs will inevitably be transferred, but this was expected. No news there. Don't worry, the city of London will remain the destination of choice for the world's crooked politicians, drugs dealers and oligarchs to park and launder their dirty money. America putting itself first: how very dare they! But nothing to do with brexit." Since youre an expert on Forex, youll know the pound is at it's lowest against the dollar since 1985. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Project Fear was Obama telling Britain we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with America if we dared to vote Leave. Now Trump is President and we're at the front of the queue.
Expert Economists back tracking and saying their Project Fear predictions were their "Michael Fish" moment.
So Project Fear has been shown now for the Bullshit that it was. " | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Pound tanked: To put this in proper perspective, I suggest you look at the movement of UKP against the euro over the past 2-3 years. For much of that time, the rate was similar to what it is today, sometimes even worse. As an importer, I am all too aware of the volatility of exchange rates. Inflation up: how long did you think that the QE-fuelled fools' paradise in which we have been living in recent years, would continue? Bankers moving jobs: yes, some jobs will inevitably be transferred, but this was expected. No news there. Don't worry, the city of London will remain the destination of choice for the world's crooked politicians, drugs dealers and oligarchs to park and launder their dirty money. America putting itself first: how very dare they! But nothing to do with brexit. Since youre an expert on Forex, youll know the pound is at it's lowest against the dollar since 1985." It would be a mistake to put any significant emphasis on the ups and downs of sterling, given that such movements are so heavily influenced by irrational behaviour on one hand and not inconsiderable market manipulation and speculation on the other hand. | |||
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"A slowly boiled frog stays in the pot " Yep! I have described the creeping of mainstream politics from the centre to the hard right in that way. (Only I said lobster and crab because I like eating them!) | |||
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"I'm reminded of the story about the man who jumped off the Empire State building because he thought he could fly... As he plummeted pat the 50th 30th and 10th floors he was heard to say... "So far! So good!" The £ has been consistently and steadily loosing value since the referendum despite the BoE supporting the £ and nothing has been really said about that. It regains a tenth of its losses and the headlines are £ soars! It seems as if we are now in danger of entering some sort of national delusional state, where we don't see the rocks that are hurtling up to meet us but we do notice every little up-draft and think it is the proof that we really can fly... "The former governor of the bank of England, Mervyn King said a few months ago that the bank of England had been trying to devalue the pound for the last 3 years unsuccessfully. There was a thread on here about it when he said it. Brexit gave the bank of England the vehicle to achieve this objective. | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... " Well we must look on the bright side we're getting rid of Nigel Farage have said since the day after the EU vote he would dump this country like a hotcake when we left the EU cause they would be nothing here for his own personal gain so what's he doing now? kissing Trumps backside working for Fox News another great British Institution.Hurry up Trump and give him a job in your administration how much crawling does he have to do.? | |||
"Pound tanked, inflation up, bankers moving jobs, America putting itself first.... Well we must look on the bright side we're getting rid of Nigel Farage have said since the day after the EU vote he would dump this country like a hotcake when we left the EU cause they would be nothing here for his own personal gain so what's he doing now? kissing Trumps backside working for Fox News another great British Institution.Hurry up Trump and give him a job in your administration how much crawling does he have to do.?" It's in part thanks to Nigel Farage that the UK now has positive favour with President Trump. We have a lot to thank Farage and ukip for, after pretty much the rest of the make up of UK political parties bad mouthed Trump and backed Clinton. I'm very thankful Farage is close to Trump it could work to our advantage in an upcoming Uk/USA trade deal. | |||
"The former governor of the bank of England, Mervyn King said a few months ago that the bank of England had been trying to devalue the pound for the last 3 years unsuccessfully. There was a thread on here about it when he said it. Brexit gave the bank of England the vehicle to achieve this objective. " Centaur, regardless of political affiliations it is always possible to find someone who will support any view. The question is do you believe them or the evidence of your senses? I have never in my 60 years encountered a time when our currency lost value and I became better off. I have however heard many 'financial experts' and politicians tell me that they were making me poorer for my own good and that the £ in my pocket was still the same as prices rose and I found myself getting less for my money. Now you may be taken in by such stories but I woke up to the truth a long time ago. When the £ is devalued we become poorer not richer. The £ has lost 20% of its value in the last 6 months, that 20% loss in wealth is working its way down to all of us and the longer it takes to reach us the greater the final markup will be. That is the stark truth of the matter and we are all in for a really bad landing. Unfortunately some are going to feel really betrayed when we hit bottom and there is a fair chance that the likes of smarmy nige will deflect the blame onto people like me because its easy to get the prols to blame the messenger when the message turns out to be true and unfavourable. That is stock in trade of the ruling class. | |||
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