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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Red, white and blue brexit with a sprinkling of soft and hard brexit and access to the single market but not access to the single mark, for good measure. And a topping of patriotic marshmallows and continental cream to appease both the 52% and 48%. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"Red, white and blue brexit with a sprinkling of soft and hard brexit and access to the single market but not access to the single mark, for good measure. And a topping of patriotic marshmallows and continental cream to appease both the 52% and 48%."
I don't think she can do that,the division is too wide .
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Red, white and blue brexit with a sprinkling of soft and hard brexit and access to the single market but not access to the single mark, for good measure. And a topping of patriotic marshmallows and continental cream to appease both the 52% and 48%."
Well said I am sure you have it right |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Red, white and blue brexit with a sprinkling of soft and hard brexit and access to the single market but not access to the single mark, for good measure. And a topping of patriotic marshmallows and continental cream to appease both the 52% and 48%.I don't think she can do that,the division is too wide ."
Not if she gets a giant Brexit mug, I'm sure we can have layers of brexit in our brexit beverage with our brexit breakfast. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Red, white and blue brexit with a sprinkling of soft and hard brexit and access to the single market but not access to the single mark, for good measure. And a topping of patriotic marshmallows and continental cream to appease both the 52% and 48%.
Well said I am sure you have it right"
Yeah, I forgot to say foreign imported coffee to add to this concoction, maybe from the common wealth, SEA, Africa or Latin America, or all of them...just you know, caffeine to stimulate the patriotic/continental brexit economy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We will get a hard as fuck Brexit .She must ignore the 48% and go with the views and values of the winners.That way she will do her duty and hand responsibility to the 52% and her ministers who campaigned for it.Its time to be accountable for our future.Balls on the line time.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Those that under-estimate Mrs May do so at their peril.
She is one smart cookie."
Im sure she is, but I dont think she has the vision to redefine britain as it needs to be.
I'll kind of think a lot less of her if she wont atleast show she will try to fight the EU on access to the single market but without the free movement of labour.
It might sound daft, but its worth a shot. And if the leave, leaders were right, it would be in the EU's interest to try and give us access to the single market as we want it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is no other choice but to come out of the single market because the EU have already said that free movement is a number 1 requirement to have access no debate.
So the only option is out because the UK does not want free movement, and as for tarrifs they work both ways! |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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I've been sceptical of Theresa May from her first day as PM.
But I thought her speech was excellent. It was clear, concise, and to the point.
Everybody must now be a lot clearer as to what we want to get from Brexit, without giving away our negotiating position.
Now let's all stop bitching about Brexit and get behind the country to make this a success. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Why wasn't this important speech made in Parliament?
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There is that....
A few quick thoughts
Why does parliament get a vote on the final deal but the public doesn't?
Different transitions lengths for different sectors is an interesting concept but that's going to cause issues
The uk still want access and wanting to pay for some access to some agencies is interesting but I don't know if Europe is going to want that
The implied threat to slash corporate tax rates if they don't get want isn't going to help matters
I think if you worked in financial or pharmaceutical I would be worried |
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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago
Driffield |
"I've been sceptical of Theresa May from her first day as PM.
But I thought her speech was excellent. It was clear, concise, and to the point.
Everybody must now be a lot clearer as to what we want to get from Brexit, without giving away our negotiating position.
Now let's all stop bitching about Brexit and get behind the country to make this a success."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
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It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting? |
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?"
I was expecting what I got;
Which was nothing except some lala land wish list. Those were not objectives. It was a list she was given to read out by her masters.
But she told us it was going to be a plan; it wasn't.
Not even close, it was stuff she had already said.
But then that's her style ; say nothing.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?"
Can I use one example that would have won her a great deal of positives and would have alleyed a ton of fears in one go
That the government were not going to use eu residents already here as pawns in the negotiations... she could have guaranteed those people's rights |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?
Can I use one example that would have won her a great deal of positives and would have alleyed a ton of fears in one go
That the government were not going to use eu residents already here as pawns in the negotiations... she could have guaranteed those people's rights "
she has tried to but the EU refused to discuss it. |
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?
Can I use one example that would have won her a great deal of positives and would have alleyed a ton of fears in one go
That the government were not going to use eu residents already here as pawns in the negotiations... she could have guaranteed those people's rights
she has tried to but the EU refused to discuss it. "
That isn't correct;
The UK has already played the card the other way round, by starting by saying it wouldn't even consider the rights of EU citizens until she got the assurance first from the EU;
The EU has said it will wait to see what the UK offers first, and that there won't be negotiations before article 50.
Though I know that the French and German governments, specifically, would accept that, and the EU has already stated quite clearly that it would support the rights of British citizens , if the UK reciprocated, the U.K. Has refused to state whether it would or not.
The boot isn't on the UK's foot.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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she has tried to but the EU refused to discuss it. "
No... she could kill it by saying the following....
"The uk will honour the rights of any eu citizens already living in the U.K. To remain as long as they wish"
That kills it as a negotiation tool!!!
Rather than just saying it will be sorted in the talks
You want to be the bigger person... that is how you do it... for example the European Parliament has already said this to U.K. People working in Brussels |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?
Can I use one example that would have won her a great deal of positives and would have alleyed a ton of fears in one go
That the government were not going to use eu residents already here as pawns in the negotiations... she could have guaranteed those people's rights
she has tried to but the EU refused to discuss it.
That isn't correct;
The UK has already played the card the other way round, by starting by saying it wouldn't even consider the rights of EU citizens until she got the assurance first from the EU;
The EU has said it will wait to see what the UK offers first, and that there won't be negotiations before article 50.
Though I know that the French and German governments, specifically, would accept that, and the EU has already stated quite clearly that it would support the rights of British citizens , if the UK reciprocated, the U.K. Has refused to state whether it would or not.
The boot isn't on the UK's foot.
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so basically the EU (Merkel) refused to discuss it
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By (user no longer on site)
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she has tried to but the EU refused to discuss it.
No... she could kill it by saying the following....
"The uk will honour the rights of any eu citizens already living in the U.K. To remain as long as they wish"
That kills it as a negotiation tool!!!
Rather than just saying it will be sorted in the talks
You want to be the bigger person... that is how you do it... for example the European Parliament has already said this to U.K. People working in Brussels "
She said that she was quite willing to agree to a reciprocal arrangement, right now. It was not being used as a bargaining counter in the other negotiations. It was a clear, "EU migrants here can live here as long as UK emigrants can live in the EU."
It really could not have been stated any clearer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hang on it was said before about the rights of EU citizens who are currently here that the uk oils not see it as a problem for them to stay as long as it was the same for uk citizens who reside in the EU.
But it has to be a 2 way street surely ? |
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"Hang on it was said before about the rights of EU citizens who are currently here that the uk oils not see it as a problem for them to stay as long as it was the same for uk citizens who reside in the EU.
But it has to be a 2 way street surely ?"
Yes; and the UK has deliberately used EU citizens ( and its own citizens in the EU as bargaining cards;
They have never said ( not even today) that they will guarantee; they have said they " would like to guarantee..... if...." do they are using hostages.
The EU has already said it has no issue with UK citizens; it's even considering offering EU citizenship the Brits post BREXIT; but that the UK must make the first move; after all; it's the UK that's decided to leave the EU; so the ball is in the UK's court for everything.
Plus ( if you care to remember) the EU has quite rightly said it won't ( and can't) do any negotiating until at least Article 50 has been declared.
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?
Can I use one example that would have won her a great deal of positives and would have alleyed a ton of fears in one go
That the government were not going to use eu residents already here as pawns in the negotiations... she could have guaranteed those people's rights
she has tried to but the EU refused to discuss it.
That isn't correct;
The UK has already played the card the other way round, by starting by saying it wouldn't even consider the rights of EU citizens until she got the assurance first from the EU;
The EU has said it will wait to see what the UK offers first, and that there won't be negotiations before article 50.
Though I know that the French and German governments, specifically, would accept that, and the EU has already stated quite clearly that it would support the rights of British citizens , if the UK reciprocated, the U.K. Has refused to state whether it would or not.
The boot isn't on the UK's foot.
so basically the EU (Merkel) refused to discuss it
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There is nothing to discuss until Article 50. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hang on it was said before about the rights of EU citizens who are currently here that the uk oils not see it as a problem for them to stay as long as it was the same for uk citizens who reside in the EU.
But it has to be a 2 way street surely ?
Yes; and the UK has deliberately used EU citizens ( and its own citizens in the EU as bargaining cards;
They have never said ( not even today) that they will guarantee; they have said they " would like to guarantee..... if...." do they are using hostages.
The EU has already said it has no issue with UK citizens; it's even considering offering EU citizenship the Brits post BREXIT; but that the UK must make the first move; after all; it's the UK that's decided to leave the EU; so the ball is in the UK's court for everything.
Plus ( if you care to remember) the EU has quite rightly said it won't ( and can't) do any negotiating until at least Article 50 has been declared.
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Mrs May was quite clear. She did make the first move and it was a simple and clear one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hang on it was said before about the rights of EU citizens who are currently here that the uk oils not see it as a problem for them to stay as long as it was the same for uk citizens who reside in the EU.
But it has to be a 2 way street surely ?"
But May is in a way demanding the EU guarantee UK nationals rights first before guarteeing EU nationals rights here, and after all it's the UK upsetting the apple cart by stomping our feet screaming we're leaving. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hang on it was said before about the rights of EU citizens who are currently here that the uk oils not see it as a problem for them to stay as long as it was the same for uk citizens who reside in the EU.
But it has to be a 2 way street surely ?
But May is in a way demanding the EU guarantee UK nationals rights first before guarteeing EU nationals rights here, and after all it's the UK upsetting the apple cart by stomping our feet screaming we're leaving."
And what on earth is wrong with that deal? It was clearly expressed. It is simple. It is fair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"As usual, she actually said nothing.
There wasn't a plan ( she kept saying it was a plan), it was a ( mostly unachievable) wish list.
It set out her objectives. What more were you expecting?
Can I use one example that would have won her a great deal of positives and would have alleyed a ton of fears in one go
That the government were not going to use eu residents already here as pawns in the negotiations... she could have guaranteed those people's rights "
EU nationals already living in Britain at the time of Brexit would almost certainly have individual “acquired rights” under the 1969 Vienna Convention which means they can stay. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents."
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What a Fantastic Speech
Never did I ever think I would side with the Tories but today she has won my vote I expect millions of other UK residents who previously never voted for Tories will be prompted over to ythe Tory side too.
Thumbs up Lady May |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did."
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did."
Not a remainer before you brand me. I'm just anti-May. Don't trust her one bit. I hope she proves me wrong. I cringe everytime she speaks. She doesn't know the working people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
Not a remainer before you brand me. I'm just anti-May. Don't trust her one bit. I hope she proves me wrong. I cringe everytime she speaks. She doesn't know the working people."
.....so who in politics does know the working people. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal."
How many of the countries that the EU have FTAs with accept free movement? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another female Tory PM fucking us all over for decades.
Eventually we'll go back in, but with a much shitter deal than we have now and after a lot of unnecessary pain.
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....go back in where. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal."
People seem to be complaining that the government did not set out it's agenda.
The complaint for many months has been similar. Are we going for a single market or exiting it?
It was a fairly explicit summary of our aims, yet still the complaints come. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal.
People seem to be complaining that the government did not set out it's agenda.
The complaint for many months has been similar. Are we going for a single market or exiting it?
It was a fairly explicit summary of our aims, yet still the complaints come."
I agree. Is it achievable? I'll wait until I see the results. I'm only stating what I honestly thought. To be honest, it's my impatience.
If she said we will make the best deals, control immigration and build a stronger union within the UK. I would have believed it since it sounds realistic. But it would have pissed off people. So her speech was... Safe.  |
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal.
People seem to be complaining that the government did not set out it's agenda.
The complaint for many months has been similar. Are we going for a single market or exiting it?
It was a fairly explicit summary of our aims, yet still the complaints come.
I agree. Is it achievable? I'll wait until I see the results. I'm only stating what I honestly thought. To be honest, it's my impatience.
If she said we will make the best deals, control immigration and build a stronger union within the UK. I would have believed it since it sounds realistic. But it would have pissed off people. So her speech was... Safe. "
That is a pretty good summary of what she said. |
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal.
People seem to be complaining that the government did not set out it's agenda.
The complaint for many months has been similar. Are we going for a single market or exiting it?
It was a fairly explicit summary of our aims, yet still the complaints come.
I agree. Is it achievable? I'll wait until I see the results. I'm only stating what I honestly thought. To be honest, it's my impatience.
If she said we will make the best deals, control immigration and build a stronger union within the UK. I would have believed it since it sounds realistic. But it would have pissed off people. So her speech was... Safe.
That is a pretty good summary of what she said.
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I guess I did read it well. Go May! She's bloody long winded then. |
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"Read the transcript. Sounds like a great speech. However, I found two things strange.
1. It looks like she took all remainers and brexiters concerns and put it in 12 points.
2. I haven't learnt anything new.
Although she's pinpointed certain areas she hasn't really defined anything. Is it achievable? She says it's phased but what if a new government is formed. This becomes useless.
I am no better today than I was yesterday.
My two cents.
Then you didn't listen. For many months, people have been calling on her to set out the government's plans. You know, like to remain in the single market or not?
She did.
I didn't. I read the transcript. I don't care about the single market. I care about trade. Caring about a certain methodology is plain stupid. You'll inherit the bad with the good. You need to think outside the box to achieve great results.
So she will attempt to get free trade... Wohooo. I knew that yesterday. Oh free trade without freedom of movement. I hope many will take that deal.
People seem to be complaining that the government did not set out it's agenda.
The complaint for many months has been similar. Are we going for a single market or exiting it?
It was a fairly explicit summary of our aims, yet still the complaints come.
I agree. Is it achievable? I'll wait until I see the results. I'm only stating what I honestly thought. To be honest, it's my impatience.
If she said we will make the best deals, control immigration and build a stronger union within the UK. I would have believed it since it sounds realistic. But it would have pissed off people. So her speech was... Safe.
That is a pretty good summary of what she said.
I guess I did read it well. Go May! She's bloody long winded then. "
She was trying a bit of Churchill. Would have been better without the coughs and obvious reading.
Not a bad performance though and very clear on the objectives. |
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"Hang on it was said before about the rights of EU citizens who are currently here that the uk oils not see it as a problem for them to stay as long as it was the same for uk citizens who reside in the EU.
But it has to be a 2 way street surely ?
But May is in a way demanding the EU guarantee UK nationals rights first before guarteeing EU nationals rights here, and after all it's the UK upsetting the apple cart by stomping our feet screaming we're leaving."
Stomping our feet? The uk just descided they don't want to be in thier club anymore that's all.
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"Great speech now can everyone give her a chance judge her in two yrs time there's no such thing now as remainers we r going out and we all need to deal with it "
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits. "
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that."
I see. I missed that and that is good. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good."
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good."
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She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?... |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?..."
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected."
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But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme"
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
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"She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
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Why ask people on the street in Europe what they think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are more concerned with what us Brits think, and the majority of Brits think she gave a bloody good speech
People of Europe don't like it, tough, Brits are rising high,
its about time Remainers stood up and supported the UK, rather than suck up to the rest of the EU |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
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You seem to have taken it badly. I am not sure why you project that to the "man in the street." Have you been taking polls?
The invitation to allow citizens to stay was without conditions. Why would that annoy you? |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
You seem to have taken it badly. I am not sure why you project that to the "man in the street." Have you been taking polls?
The invitation to allow citizens to stay was without conditions. Why would that annoy you?"
. I'm all for what Mrs may said but
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
You seem to have taken it badly. I am not sure why you project that to the "man in the street." Have you been taking polls?
The invitation to allow citizens to stay was without conditions. Why would that annoy you?. I'm all for what Mrs may said but
Maybe we could just throw the French out.... "
be tricky, London is Frances 5th biggest city  |
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"It was incredibly ambiguous.I learnt fuck all from that.  "
Lol, gotta laugh at Remainers making daft posts like this. We learnt we are definitely leaving the single market so we can stop the free movement of people and control our borders and immigration. We are going to stop payment of large EU contribution fees, but maybe continue with small payments for EU schemes we want to remain involved in like Erasmus and Horizon 20. We are going to leave the European Court of justice to take back control of our laws. We will most likely leave the customs union so we can do our own trade deals around the world. Basically everything I wanted from Brexit and voted Leave for, Teresa May has indicated she will deliver on. Very happy with the stance Teresa May is taking and if she keeps it up I'll be voting for her at the next general election. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
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There are millions of European citizens all over Europe who also want their countries to leave the EU. Anti EU parties are gaining a lot of support all over the European continent. I expect they will be very happy with Teresa May's speech today and with the way Brexit is progressing. |
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over a year ago
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day."
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
You seem to have taken it badly. I am not sure why you project that to the "man in the street." Have you been taking polls?
The invitation to allow citizens to stay was without conditions. Why would that annoy you?. I'm all for what Mrs may said but
Maybe we could just throw the French out....
be tricky, London is Frances 5th biggest city "
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I've never been happy living this close to the French.... I wrote to may telling her this but she's completely ignoring my 0.0000000001% view.... Tow us out to the Atlantic I tell yer |
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i don't see how different transition periods are going to work.... because for example.. if you offered "pharma" 5 years... and the car industry 10 years.... then pharma for example will ask, why you favouring them over us????
look forward to see more detail on that proposal, and which European agencies the UK still want to contribute to.... and what they want back in access....
because cake and eating it isn't going to be on table, |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good..
She can promise that she'll try for that but she can't promise the EU will agree to that?...
Of course she can't. It was a very clearly stated offer, though. I would find it difficult to think that it would be rejected..
But didn't she offer that ages ago and the EU said nothing could be discussed until article 50 gets triggered?.
I myself think it's very reasonable and shouldn't be a problem but it's not a gimme until it's a gimme
She didn't say it at all; she used the rights of EU citizens as a threat, people as pawns; not an offer;
She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
Whether the EU politicians are prepared to talk, or not, the man in the street is astounded by how much of a cunt she ( and by extension, the Brits) are.
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Well if thats how you feel you are more than welcome to stay in france and never darken our doors again |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
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You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. "
Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own? |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?"
It was a straightforward offer. Whether the EU will agree? Up to them. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
It was a straightforward offer. Whether the EU will agree? Up to them."
That is right too, so its up to each eu country decide their fate. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?"
Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. It's upto the EU now to agree to it. Just heard on the news though that the EU is saying they won't negotiate or agree to anything until article 50 is triggered. It's the EU who are dragging their heels on this particular issue and using EU citizens as political pawns. |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. It's upto the EU now to agree to it. Just heard on the news though that the EU is saying they won't negotiate or agree to anything until article 50 is triggered. It's the EU who are dragging their heels on this particular issue and using EU citizens as political pawns. "
The EU isn't dragging its heels; in fact the EU is far better prepared for BREXIT, with experts and committees, than UK..
But since the UK hasn't invoked Art 50; the EU doesn't actually know, officially, that you are leaving.
They are light years ahead of you and the clowns May, Johnson, and the various other comedians.
For instance French MPs know more about UK parliamentary procedures than your own elected clowns . |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. It's upto the EU now to agree to it. Just heard on the news though that the EU is saying they won't negotiate or agree to anything until article 50 is triggered. It's the EU who are dragging their heels on this particular issue and using EU citizens as political pawns.
The EU isn't dragging its heels; in fact the EU is far better prepared for BREXIT, with experts and committees, than UK..
But since the UK hasn't invoked Art 50; the EU doesn't actually know, officially, that you are leaving.
They are light years ahead of you and the clowns May, Johnson, and the various other comedians.
For instance French MPs know more about UK parliamentary procedures than your own elected clowns ."
Would that be the clown Hollande who has already all but lost his position and will be beat by either François Fillon or Marine Le Pen?  |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"She has really pissed off a lot of people; her silly pompous speech has really gone down like a cup of cold sick.
It's not just the politicians; ask people on the street in Europe what they think;
Overwhelmingly, the attitude is that it was rude, condescending, insulting, and stupid.
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Why ask people on the street in Europe what they think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are more concerned with what us Brits think, and the majority of Brits think she gave a bloody good speech
People of Europe don't like it, tough, Brits are rising high,
its about time Remainers stood up and supported the UK, rather than suck up to the rest of the EU"
We've spoken to plenty of people on our travels abroad over the last 6 months or so. Without exception, their concerns are who in the EU are going to pay the UK contribution.....
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
It was a straightforward offer. Whether the EU will agree? Up to them.That is right too, so its up to each eu country decide their fate."
I'm afraid it won't be. It's the Commission handling the negotiations on behalf of the other 27 members. We are negotiating with the Commission and not with each member state.
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. It's upto the EU now to agree to it. Just heard on the news though that the EU is saying they won't negotiate or agree to anything until article 50 is triggered. It's the EU who are dragging their heels on this particular issue and using EU citizens as political pawns.
The EU isn't dragging its heels; in fact the EU is far better prepared for BREXIT, with experts and committees, than UK..
But since the UK hasn't invoked Art 50; the EU doesn't actually know, officially, that you are leaving.
They are light years ahead of you and the clowns May, Johnson, and the various other comedians.
For instance French MPs know more about UK parliamentary procedures than your own elected clowns ."
I'd look up the EU's process and procedures on transparency in negotiations if I were you; and then comment on how well they know their own rules. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. "
thank you centaur!!!! at bloody last someone said what SHE said!!!
so lets take what the european commission have said about British people who work for the EU....
see if you can see the difference in the language used......
“you are ‘Union officials.’ You work for Europe. You left your national ‘hats’ at the door when you joined this institution and that door is not closing on you now.”
“we will support and help you in this difficult process. Our staff regulations will be read and applied in a European spirit.”
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. It's upto the EU now to agree to it. Just heard on the news though that the EU is saying they won't negotiate or agree to anything until article 50 is triggered. It's the EU who are dragging their heels on this particular issue and using EU citizens as political pawns.
The EU isn't dragging its heels; in fact the EU is far better prepared for BREXIT, with experts and committees, than UK..
But since the UK hasn't invoked Art 50; the EU doesn't actually know, officially, that you are leaving.
They are light years ahead of you and the clowns May, Johnson, and the various other comedians.
For instance French MPs know more about UK parliamentary procedures than your own elected clowns .
I'd look up the EU's process and procedures on transparency in negotiations if I were you; and then comment on how well they know their own rules."
Considering that I deal with the subject on a daily basis, and deal with politicians and civil servants of various EU countries daily; I know exactly what they know and what they don't know; UK politicians are pitiful and embarrassing in their lack of knowledge of not only Europe, but the rest of the world, too |
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"She didnt say what would happen to the brits living abroad, they could need permits.
She did. She said that those from the EU will live here and those from here abroad will live there.
No strings.
As simple as that.I see. I missed that and that is good.
She said that she was willing to agree to that before any negotiations even started. Not a bargaining chip. You allow UK citizens to live abroad. We allow EU citizens to live here.
Clear as day.
one problem....
well... actually two problems...
1) the campaign group "the three million" (represent those EU citizens who are living here) who are desperately trying to get May and the UK government to say what you are alledging she said, have said she still hasn't said that.....
2) Expat Citizens Rights in EU (ECREU). their spokesperson who represent british expats, they said she didn't say it either.....and that means in effect she isn't helping those overseas where the uk already in the most part gets billed by theses countries for healthcare for example,
the uk is in "reciprocal agreement" mode... the uk doesn't have to look at it like that....
like i said... may could have may 3 million people who are worried, and could have made there lives easier...
she dropped the ball on this one....
You obviously missed what she said. It was simple. No bargaining. EU folk stay here. UK folk stay there.
It really was straightforward. Did she negotiate with the other countries as it sounds like she made it up on her own?
Teresa May made it clear that will be her opening negotiating position. It's upto the EU now to agree to it. Just heard on the news though that the EU is saying they won't negotiate or agree to anything until article 50 is triggered. It's the EU who are dragging their heels on this particular issue and using EU citizens as political pawns.
The EU isn't dragging its heels; in fact the EU is far better prepared for BREXIT, with experts and committees, than UK..
But since the UK hasn't invoked Art 50; the EU doesn't actually know, officially, that you are leaving.
They are light years ahead of you and the clowns May, Johnson, and the various other comedians.
For instance French MPs know more about UK parliamentary procedures than your own elected clowns .
I'd look up the EU's process and procedures on transparency in negotiations if I were you; and then comment on how well they know their own rules.
Considering that I deal with the subject on a daily basis, and deal with politicians and civil servants of various EU countries daily; I know exactly what they know and what they don't know; UK politicians are pitiful and embarrassing in their lack of knowledge of not only Europe, but the rest of the world, too"
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"London need all the luck it can get cos leading banks are relocating staff to eu, such companys as goldman sachs."
HSBC has already put shadowed offices in Frankfurt and Paris;
Problem for Brit banks is that they need to get European / international banking licences; HSBC already has them. |
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"London need all the luck it can get cos leading banks are relocating staff to eu, such companys as goldman sachs.
HSBC has already put shadowed offices in Frankfurt and Paris;
Problem for Brit banks is that they need to get European / international banking licences; HSBC already has them."
That is right and as well it was the single market that kept them here. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
The speech was predictable flag waving bollocks and the people getting all excited are just as predictable.
Here is a quick and factual summary. The ZuK is leaving the EU, not the other way around. The EU and its 27 Member States are under no obligation - legally, ethically or morally to do anything other than say goodbye. The onus 100% is on the UK Brexit team to come up with something.
No blame at all can be levelled at the EU should they unilaterally decide to just carry on if the UK can't come up with a reasonable exit package. The EU are not forcing the U.K. out, this is the UK walking away. |
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"London need all the luck it can get cos leading banks are relocating staff to eu, such companys as goldman sachs.
HSBC has already put shadowed offices in Frankfurt and Paris;
Problem for Brit banks is that they need to get European / international banking licences; HSBC already has them."
HSBC has already said they will keep their international headquarters in the UK. The HSBC chief executive Stuart Gulliver said during his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos that London was "still the best place" for its main base. He added that HSBC was in "no rush" to move any operations from the city. But he warned that "activities covered specifically by European financial regulation will need to move". Mr Gulliver said this would only amount to a small sum of 1,000 HSBC staff moving over to France. With job creation in the UK currently at record levels there is no need for any concern at all. Those jobs can soon be replaced.
Lloyds bank being partly owned by the UK taxpayer also won't be going anywhere and will certainly stay in London. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"The speech was predictable flag waving bollocks and the people getting all excited are just as predictable.
Here is a quick and factual summary. The ZuK is leaving the EU, not the other way around. The EU and its 27 Member States are under no obligation - legally, ethically or morally to do anything other than say goodbye. The onus 100% is on the UK Brexit team to come up with something.
No blame at all can be levelled at the EU should they unilaterally decide to just carry on if the UK can't come up with a reasonable exit package. The EU are not forcing the U.K. out, this is the UK walking away."
That is true but I think Brexit will cause the other 27 members as many problems and hurdles that the UK will face. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"1-2000 people re locating out of around 360000 people who work in the financial sector of London !!!!!"
Paris/Frankfurt may well end up as the Financial centres of the EU ( and good luck with that) but London will always be the Financial Capital of Europe. |
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"London need all the luck it can get cos leading banks are relocating staff to eu, such companys as goldman sachs.
HSBC has already put shadowed offices in Frankfurt and Paris;
Problem for Brit banks is that they need to get European / international banking licences; HSBC already has them.
HSBC has already said they will keep their international headquarters in the UK. The HSBC chief executive Stuart Gulliver said during his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos that London was "still the best place" for its main base. He added that HSBC was in "no rush" to move any operations from the city. But he warned that "activities covered specifically by European financial regulation will need to move". Mr Gulliver said this would only amount to a small sum of 1,000 HSBC staff moving over to France. With job creation in the UK currently at record levels there is no need for any concern at all. Those jobs can soon be replaced.
Lloyds bank being partly owned by the UK taxpayer also won't be going anywhere and will certainly stay in London. "
So many organisations in the past have been shouting "we might, "we may", "we will" relocate due to brexit, will be nice to see HSBC take there loyal staff to France or where they wish to set up, and all the puppy dog staff will follow suit thinking their position in the company really matters, upping house, upping roots and kissing ass
Just wish all those who threaten to leave just simply fuck off now and close the door behind them (a one way door with no return) |
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"1-2000 people re locating out of around 360000 people who work in the financial sector of London !!!!!
Paris/Frankfurt may well end up as the Financial centres of the EU ( and good luck with that) but London will always be the Financial Capital of Europe."
Barclays bank chief executive Jes Staley said yesterday that Barclays will be staying in the UK and that London will always be the financial lungs for Europe. |
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"London need all the luck it can get cos leading banks are relocating staff to eu, such companys as goldman sachs.
HSBC has already put shadowed offices in Frankfurt and Paris;
Problem for Brit banks is that they need to get European / international banking licences; HSBC already has them.
HSBC has already said they will keep their international headquarters in the UK. The HSBC chief executive Stuart Gulliver said during his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos that London was "still the best place" for its main base. He added that HSBC was in "no rush" to move any operations from the city. But he warned that "activities covered specifically by European financial regulation will need to move". Mr Gulliver said this would only amount to a small sum of 1,000 HSBC staff moving over to France. With job creation in the UK currently at record levels there is no need for any concern at all. Those jobs can soon be replaced.
Lloyds bank being partly owned by the UK taxpayer also won't be going anywhere and will certainly stay in London.
So many organisations in the past have been shouting "we might, "we may", "we will" relocate due to brexit, will be nice to see HSBC take there loyal staff to France or where they wish to set up, and all the puppy dog staff will follow suit thinking their position in the company really matters, upping house, upping roots and kissing ass
Just wish all those who threaten to leave just simply fuck off now and close the door behind them (a one way door with no return)"
The HSBC staff that are moving is a very low percentage of the total HSBC workforce, an insignificant amount really in the grand scheme of things. |
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So far the number leaving will be around 7,000. These are in the City, not ordinary provincial bank clerks.
What is the average salary of a City banker? £150K?
7,000 @ £150k salary is a loss in tax revenue of half a billion but then it is the loss in trade that is more important. They must generate profits on deals many times greater than their salary.
It's not just the jobs that are leaving that is a cost. Goldman Sachs were moving 1,000's here. I remember the Brexiters using that nice new building they have bought as evidence project fear was full of shit.
Now that it looks clearer it will be hard brexit they have decided to stay in New York for the most part, while looking at Madrid.
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