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"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?." OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? | |||
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"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? " It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? | |||
"Quite a precise number, 55. Where is the clarifying evidence? " Yes it is, or there about, its been on the news and a well on social media. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be?" Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks." I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. " That is right and yeah, it is not much about it, the sources are from bbc london news, it is mostly here in south london and few parts in north london and hounslow. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. That is right and yeah, it is not much about it, the sources are from bbc london news, it is mostly here in south london and few parts in north london and hounslow." Please would you post a link to their report? | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. " As I recall, it was a reporter for Fox that has not been to the UK saying that the city of Birmingham was a no-go zone. 
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"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?." It would appear the '55 no go zones' claim came from a Hungarian leaflet distributed by their government (or part of it) ahead of their referendum on EU refugee quotas. http://www.thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary So, I'd file it in the folder along with the picture of Farage in front of the poster of the line of people queuing up to get into the UK. Or the claims that the entirety of Turkey is about to turn up on our doorstep. -Matt | |||
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"No one believes you shag, they all want links "It's our infuriating evidence based approach to life! So old fashioned, I know, truly pre-post-truth! What are we thinking of?  | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links "That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas. | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas."But, and here's the point, a lot of what we 'know' to be true from the news etc simply isn't. For example: a few weeks ago there was a thread where it was apparent the several people knew for certain that schools weren't allowed to call black boards by that name and councils had to call manholes somthing else. Both of these 'facts' are actually rubbish. We have to be so careful about what we think we know and investigate it. | |||
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"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas."when did you last live there and for how long shag? | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
when did you last live there and for how long shag?
"I lived there about 10 years ago and it had loads of areas back then too and I lived near a notorious area called rosengard in malmo. | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
when did you last live there and for how long shag?
I lived there about 10 years ago and it had loads of areas back then too and I lived near a notorious area called rosengard in malmo."not exactly recent enough to base any opinion on personal experiences then? your point about a no go zone being when an attack has taken place on police or ambulance personnel is extremely spurious, i worked for over 20 years along side such people in the capital and there are no such places.. yes there are area's where you would keep an eye out but that does not equate to what you are trying (again with little or no actual evidence) to portray.. | |||
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"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. That is right and yeah, it is not much about it, the sources are from bbc london news, it is mostly here in south london and few parts in north london and hounslow. Please would you post a link to their report? " Why would you need links ? . There are parts of London that are not safe to walk around at night . I do not think that many people dispute that . | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
But, and here's the point, a lot of what we 'know' to be true from the news etc simply isn't. For example: a few weeks ago there was a thread where it was apparent the several people knew for certain that schools weren't allowed to call black boards by that name and councils had to call manholes somthing else. Both of these 'facts' are actually rubbish.
We have to be so careful about what we think we know and investigate it."It may be rubbish to you but true to lots of others . People cannot just make things up. That is why we have the press council. | |||
"I worked for the LAS in the 90's and there were quite a few housing estates that ambulances weren't sent to without police escort. They were never officially called "no-go areas" but we never went in without the police. I was stationed mainly in south London." I have been to a few estates where some houses even had grills and iron bars on the doors . I was making deliveries as a holiday job and could not risk leaving the van unlocked while unloading .In other areas Pizza delivery men will not deliver . | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
But, and here's the point, a lot of what we 'know' to be true from the news etc simply isn't. For example: a few weeks ago there was a thread where it was apparent the several people knew for certain that schools weren't allowed to call black boards by that name and councils had to call manholes somthing else. Both of these 'facts' are actually rubbish.
We have to be so careful about what we think we know and investigate it. It may be rubbish to you but true to lots of others . People cannot just make things up. That is why we have the press council."Really? So you accept what is written in newspapers verbatim? Oh dear, oh dear! | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
But, and here's the point, a lot of what we 'know' to be true from the news etc simply isn't. For example: a few weeks ago there was a thread where it was apparent the several people knew for certain that schools weren't allowed to call black boards by that name and councils had to call manholes somthing else. Both of these 'facts' are actually rubbish.
We have to be so careful about what we think we know and investigate it. It may be rubbish to you but true to lots of others . People cannot just make things up. That is why we have the press council.
Really? So you accept what is written in newspapers verbatim?
Oh dear, oh dear!"And why not . Basic common sense would suggest that what is published is true , otherwise action would be taken for libel. It is an approach that works well foe me , your approach is different . Each scenario has its merits . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. That is right and yeah, it is not much about it, the sources are from bbc london news, it is mostly here in south london and few parts in north london and hounslow. Please would you post a link to their report? Why would you need links ? . There are parts of London that are not safe to walk around at night . I do not think that many people dispute that . " Equally there are parts of many cities and towns worldwide and here where one may feel similar.. It does not equate to a no go zone .. | |||
"People cannot just make things up. That is why we have the press council." It's the way he tells 'em!  | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
when did you last live there and for how long shag?
I lived there about 10 years ago and it had loads of areas back then too and I lived near a notorious area called rosengard in malmo.
not exactly recent enough to base any opinion on personal experiences then?
your point about a no go zone being when an attack has taken place on police or ambulance personnel is extremely spurious, i worked for over 20 years along side such people in the capital and there are no such places..
yes there are area's where you would keep an eye out but that does not equate to what you are trying (again with little or no actual evidence) to portray.."Not recent, but I still check on the news, we have to disagree to agree, there are lots of reports of if you google and on youtube, also rt news. | |||
"People cannot just make things up. That is why we have the press council. It's the way he tells 'em! "Truly it's comedy gold again | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
when did you last live there and for how long shag?
I lived there about 10 years ago and it had loads of areas back then too and I lived near a notorious area called rosengard in malmo.
not exactly recent enough to base any opinion on personal experiences then?
your point about a no go zone being when an attack has taken place on police or ambulance personnel is extremely spurious, i worked for over 20 years along side such people in the capital and there are no such places..
yes there are area's where you would keep an eye out but that does not equate to what you are trying (again with little or no actual evidence) to portray..Not recent, but I still check on the news, we have to disagree to agree, there are lots of reports of if you google and on youtube, also rt news."You may as well ask the man on the Clapham omnibus where to invest your life savings as to use such sources as the basis of your OP .. Was the word ghetto for dramatic effect? Even on some estates the residents will be unaware that they do live in such a place as that.. | |||
"And why not . Basic common sense would suggest that what is published is true , otherwise action would be taken for libel. It is an approach that works well foe me , your approach is different . Each scenario has its merits ." Well, that all depends if you want your 'scenario' to have a basis in fact really. | |||
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" As I recall, it was a reporter for Fox that has not been to the UK saying that the city of Birmingham was a no-go zone.
-Matt"this time last year basically... and it wasn't just birmingham, it was london, it was parts of france and paris, they basically spent a whole week going thru this myths.... and then for the one time in fox news history, they actually walked it all back and apologised numerous times on air when the city of paris actually threatened to sue... | |||
"No one believes you shag, they all want links That is right, sometimes there aint no links as you hear it on the news and social media or as I have lived in sweden and know all about no go areas.
when did you last live there and for how long shag?
I lived there about 10 years ago and it had loads of areas back then too and I lived near a notorious area called rosengard in malmo.
not exactly recent enough to base any opinion on personal experiences then?
your point about a no go zone being when an attack has taken place on police or ambulance personnel is extremely spurious, i worked for over 20 years along side such people in the capital and there are no such places..
yes there are area's where you would keep an eye out but that does not equate to what you are trying (again with little or no actual evidence) to portray..Not recent, but I still check on the news, we have to disagree to agree, there are lots of reports of if you google and on youtube, also rt news.
You may as well ask the man on the Clapham omnibus where to invest your life savings as to use such sources as the basis of your OP ..
Was the word ghetto for dramatic effect? Even on some estates the residents will be unaware that they do live in such a place as that.."No it wasnt, as I said disagree to agree. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?." Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there ." Hang on, 'thanks for bringing this to our attention'? Have you read the thread where this has been largely debunked? | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there ." Hi and yes, yw there and yes you are right. I heard that too about those delivery men. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there ." pizza delivery men wont deliver in Sweden? | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there . pizza delivery men wont deliver in Sweden?" I think it's so bad there they go armed don't they? Sure I saw that in social media so it must be true! Gunfight at the Dominos Corral? | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there . pizza delivery men wont deliver in Sweden? I think it's so bad there they go armed don't they? Sure I saw that in social media so it must be true! Gunfight at the Dominos Corral?" that could explain when one phones up they ask 'do you want it loaded?'.. maybe.. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there . Hang on, 'thanks for bringing this to our attention'? Have you read the thread where this has been largely debunked?" Yes . Just because a few people query the data does not mean that it is not true . I am quite happy to accept the information as reported and have no reason to doubt it . I do not base my decisions in life over a few people attempting to cast doubt on reports . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there . Hang on, 'thanks for bringing this to our attention'? Have you read the thread where this has been largely debunked? Yes . Just because a few people query the data does not mean that it is not true . I am quite happy to accept the information as reported and have no reason to doubt it . I do not base my decisions in life over a few people attempting to cast doubt on reports . " Oh yes, Pat, we know, we know! | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. Hi. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. There are quite a few places where pizza delivery men will for example not deliver . Sadly there are some really nasty people out there . pizza delivery men wont deliver in Sweden? I think it's so bad there they go armed don't they? Sure I saw that in social media so it must be true! Gunfight at the Dominos Corral? that could explain when one phones up they ask 'do you want it loaded?'.. maybe.." | |||
"And why not . Basic common sense would suggest that what is published is true , otherwise action would be taken for libel. It is an approach that works well foe me , your approach is different . Each scenario has its merits . Well, that all depends if you want your 'scenario' to have a basis in fact really." It does not make any difference to me whether it is opinion or fact . It is hardly life changing information . | |||
"And why not . Basic common sense would suggest that what is published is true , otherwise action would be taken for libel. It is an approach that works well foe me , your approach is different . Each scenario has its merits . Well, that all depends if you want your 'scenario' to have a basis in fact really. It does not make any difference to me whether it is opinion or fact . It is hardly life changing information ." it has been for some of those who were slandered or hacked.. | |||
"It does not make any difference to me whether it is opinion or fact ." Explains everything really, doesn't it? | |||
"It does not make any difference to me whether it is opinion or fact . Explains everything really, doesn't it? "One a simplistic basis it is easy to distinguish between opinions and facts , it does not make much difference in any event . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be? Sounds good to me. Just clarifying for further discussion. Next bit... You claim that there are many in England, especially London. Please support this claim with evidence. Thanks. I've done some research, loads of newspaper sites saying this. Can't find any primary sources yet. However, I do note that, although these reports are all in the last quarter, there does seem to be a Fox News (a well known paragon of news reporting of course) report in Sept 15 saying this which then had multiple rebuttals. As I recall, it was a reporter for Fox that has not been to the UK saying that the city of Birmingham was a no-go zone.
-Matt"Haha! I remember watching such a report and burst into hysterics!!! So ill informed | |||
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"I worked for the LAS in the 90's and there were quite a few housing estates that ambulances weren't sent to without police escort. They were never officially called "no-go areas" but we never went in without the police. I was stationed mainly in south London." I worked for a doctor's answering service in the 80s and doctors didn't visit north Peckham or Stockwell estate without an escort and land line number to where they were going. I'm 56, London born and bred. I don't know of any no go areas. I don't walk the streets at night in London. Neither would I in any city. | |||
"remember the riots all over the country" Er, no, I don't! I do remember quite a few riots down south but up here we didn't feel it necessary to burn down our cities. | |||
"remember the riots all over the country Er, no, I don't! I do remember quite a few riots down south but up here we didn't feel it necessary to burn down our cities. " And they were like, five or more years ago? Hardly topical. | |||
"remember the riots all over the country Er, no, I don't! I do remember quite a few riots down south but up here we didn't feel it necessary to burn down our cities. And they were like, five or more years ago? Hardly topical. " Presumably your reply should have been to _ammski's original post mentioning them? | |||
"remember the riots all over the country Er, no, I don't! I do remember quite a few riots down south but up here we didn't feel it necessary to burn down our cities. And they were like, five or more years ago? Hardly topical. Presumably your reply should have been to _ammski's original post mentioning them?" I'm just following the flow of the thread. You confirmed riots had happened, albeit in the recent past... | |||
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"I doubt the 'no go' zones theory for emergency services, although I know that there have been examples locally here in Wales where, as an example, ambulance personnel have been attacked by 'yobs'. Whereby ambulance crews seek support from the police before attending. http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/14820604.Newport_ambulance_workers_attacked_with_barrage_of_fireworks_as_they_were_helping_patient_in_Pill/ That is more to do with bad behaviour than anything else, surely? " every service will know the iffy areas on their patch and assaults on some emergency service workers are shocking in some parts of the country yes but funny enough London and the south east are for the fire service fine in comparison to the north east etc.. And such incidents are not specific to one area or estate and they are far more to do with tanked up idiots out on the lash than any ' ghetto'.. Crime and anti social behaviours are not only in our inner cities. | |||
"I doubt the 'no go' zones theory for emergency services, although I know that there have been examples locally here in Wales where, as an example, ambulance personnel have been attacked by 'yobs'. Whereby ambulance crews seek support from the police before attending. http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/14820604.Newport_ambulance_workers_attacked_with_barrage_of_fireworks_as_they_were_helping_patient_in_Pill/ That is more to do with bad behaviour than anything else, surely? every service will know the iffy areas on their patch and assaults on some emergency service workers are shocking in some parts of the country yes but funny enough London and the south east are for the fire service fine in comparison to the north east etc.. And such incidents are not specific to one area or estate and they are far more to do with tanked up idiots out on the lash than any ' ghetto'.. Crime and anti social behaviours are not only in our inner cities. " Nor are crime and ASB to do solely with ethnicity or immigration, as it appears was being opined by OP. | |||
"Brixton toxteth Bristol Manchester Birmingham etc,I think it was about the poll tax,Durham boy seems to want to argue about everything I say,that,s why I shy away from politics threads " They were though, years ago and aren't current. I'm always surprised we haven't had more riots if I am honest. | |||
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"I'm always surprised we haven't had more riots if I am honest. " Yep... I think we would do better if we had a little more Gallic spirit. | |||
"I'm always surprised we haven't had more riots if I am honest. Yep... I think we would do better if we had a little more Gallic spirit." Let's lead the charge... * *is it still a crime to insite a riot?! | |||
"I used to work in Budapest and was warned before I went that there were no go areas etc. Found them to be a lot safer than Glasgow City Centre, there were a few areas of Glasgow I wouldn't walk through after dark but I wouldn't exactly call them a no go area I have worked as a security consultant in Beirut, Kabul and parts of Jo'burg now they are civilian no go areas As for the truth and the media ......... whatever lies sell more press. Well known FACT journalists take their perception of a story and embellish it to sell. BBC is the most corrupt biased service out there and yes there has been documentaries and forums proving it " Biased in what way? For and against whom or what? The government say they are anti-government, Labour that they are anti-Labour, UKIP they are anti them etc etc Therefore, they must be doing something right. There are contributors to this forum who will say they are a mouthpiece for the government... | |||
"*is it still a crime to insite a riot?! " It most certainly is! In fact today you can be tried and convicted by a court you don't get to attend or be represented at with evidence you have no right to see or question for merely hinting at such a thing. So you are on your own! | |||
"*is it still a crime to insite a riot?! It most certainly is! In fact today you can be tried and convicted by a court you don't get to attend or be represented at with evidence you have no right to see or question for merely hinting at such a thing. So you are on your own! "Good old, free, democratic Britain, eh? I'm glad I just said "let's lead the charge" obviously forgetting to add "of the light brigade!" | |||
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"I've always been of the opinion that this is be biggest undeclared police state in the world. At one time I did not mind because it was for the most part benign however that has changed over the last 6 and a bit years and especially over the last year and a bit, and I am afraid it is about to become a lot worse when May withdraws from the ECHR and we loose its protection." Isn't there a quote about the illusion of freedom being all that is required to enslave a population? Again, these forums are evidence of people buying the belief we are free, because that is what we are told! Scary times are ahead and I fear it may be too late in the day to stem the tide of repression. | |||
"Brixton toxteth Bristol Manchester Birmingham etc,I think it was about the poll tax,Durham boy seems to want to argue about everything I say,that,s why I shy away from politics threads " Poll tax? How long ago was that? Thatcher's time! I was referring to the ones a few years ago. Argue about anything? Only when it's manifestly wrong! | |||
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"I worked for the LAS in the 90's and there were quite a few housing estates that ambulances weren't sent to without police escort. They were never officially called "no-go areas" but we never went in without the police. I was stationed mainly in south London." Name them....born and raised in South London and I'd love to hear what estates these were. | |||
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"Have you considered going back? " No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. | |||
" Isn't there a quote about the illusion of freedom being all that is required to enslave a population? Scary times are ahead and I fear it may be too late in the day to stem the tide of repression. " . If you really think your free.... Try going somewhere for a few months without money!... See how that freedom works out for yer  | |||
" Isn't there a quote about the illusion of freedom being all that is required to enslave a population? Scary times are ahead and I fear it may be too late in the day to stem the tide of repression. . If you really think your free.... Try going somewhere for a few months without money!... See how that freedom works out for yer "Have I said I think I'm free? I know full well that we live in an illusory state whereby we believe we have freedoms, but in fact are enslaved. Try not turning up for work, with no excuse. Or, parking where you like. Or, expressing an opinion on these forums! Haaaaaa | |||
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"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was." That's sad mate  l kinda feel the same about the UK.
Govanhill in Glasgow is a no go for me. Last time l was passing the Temple down at Battlefield, it had been badly vandalised. lt's sooo common now. | |||
"I worked for the LAS in the 90's and there were quite a few housing estates that ambulances weren't sent to without police escort. They were never officially called "no-go areas" but we never went in without the police. I was stationed mainly in south London. Name them....born and raised in South London and I'd love to hear what estates these were. " I had a holiday job once doing deliveries and there were estates in that area where I did not feel safe . | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was." I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. That's sad mate l kinda feel the same about the UK.
Govanhill in Glasgow is a no go for me. Last time l was passing the Temple down at Battlefield, it had been badly vandalised. lt's sooo common now."Yes, this modern phenomenon of vandalism is really symptomatic of life in the 21st century. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. That's sad mate l kinda feel the same about the UK.
Govanhill in Glasgow is a no go for me. Last time l was passing the Temple down at Battlefield, it had been badly vandalised. lt's sooo common now.
Yes, this modern phenomenon of vandalism is really symptomatic of life in the 21st century.
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"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. That's sad mate l kinda feel the same about the UK.
Govanhill in Glasgow is a no go for me. Last time l was passing the Temple down at Battlefield, it had been badly vandalised. lt's sooo common now."That is right pal and yes, it seems to happen all over the world, some places quicker than others, lets hope for the best. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . " Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. | |||
" Isn't there a quote about the illusion of freedom being all that is required to enslave a population? Scary times are ahead and I fear it may be too late in the day to stem the tide of repression. . If you really think your free.... Try going somewhere for a few months without money!... See how that freedom works out for yer
Have I said I think I'm free? I know full well that we live in an illusory state whereby we believe we have freedoms, but in fact are enslaved.
Try not turning up for work, with no excuse. Or, parking where you like. Or, expressing an opinion on these forums! Haaaaaa". No that was a quote from George Carlin... You asked for quotes  | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first." What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean? | |||
"No that was a quote from George Carlin... You asked for quotes "Thanks for the clarification. Without quotation marks or citing it's author, it wasn't apparent... | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?" Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen." So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. " Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. | |||
"I worked for the LAS in the 90's and there were quite a few housing estates that ambulances weren't sent to without police escort. They were never officially called "no-go areas" but we never went in without the police. I was stationed mainly in south London. Name them....born and raised in South London and I'd love to hear what estates these were. I had a holiday job once doing deliveries and there were estates in that area where I did not feel safe . " What were you fearful of. Or whom? | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk." Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. | |||
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"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. " No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it." "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. " I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016." Could you PM the link? I'm reading the English version of the Swedish Government website now. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016. Could you PM the link? I'm reading the English version of the Swedish Government website now. " Yes I can and this one is as well the english version. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016. Could you PM the link? I'm reading the English version of the Swedish Government website now. Yes I can and this one is as well the english version." It is more of a coalition goverment and there feminism is included and can influence policy's such as gender equality, but they do like to make the women above the men. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016. Could you PM the link? I'm reading the English version of the Swedish Government website now. Yes I can and this one is as well the english version.It is more of a coalition goverment and there feminism is included and can influence policy's such as gender equality, but they do like to make the women above the men." Thanks for clarification that Feminism is enshrined in the current government's policies and decision making processes. It is gender equality though, not making women above men. Just to clarify that point. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016. Could you PM the link? I'm reading the English version of the Swedish Government website now. Yes I can and this one is as well the english version.It is more of a coalition goverment and there feminism is included and can influence policy's such as gender equality, but they do like to make the women above the men. Thanks for clarification that Feminism is enshrined in the current government's policies and decision making processes. It is gender equality though, not making women above men. Just to clarify that point. " Yes yw but if you live in sweden you would see it more what is wrong with feminism tho as they use propaganda news to make it sound good. | |||
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"I'm curious. I don't know anything about Sweden and its feminist politics. What are the feminists doing that is so bad? -Matt" Yes, there are few things, they are feminising the men and give more rights to the women and they are more kind of liberals and political correctness is high on the agenda. | |||
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"I'm curious. I don't know anything about Sweden and its feminist politics. What are the feminists doing that is so bad? -Matt" the radical idea of gender equality.. it looks at a brief glance at their website that its something that other countries could learn from.. | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt" By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. | |||
"I'm curious. I don't know anything about Sweden and its feminist politics. What are the feminists doing that is so bad? -Matt the radical idea of gender equality.. it looks at a brief glance at their website that its something that other countries could learn from.." The radical notion of ''Gender Equality'' being a buzzword now, especially with the rates of male suicide being more than thrice the female, 90%+ of the homeless being male, men dying younger and now white working class boys are doing worse in education than any other ethnicity and more women in Uni than men, so please, spare us the bullshit that's been fed to us for over 40 years. ls the surge of populism across the West not evidence enough for you of that defunct dogma's death? | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country." You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear? | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear?" There you go. lt's the typical response you get. When someone disagrees with your views on the world, you instantly call into question their character first before even addressing their opinion. Who sounds the more scared? This to me is fear and you accusing me of being scared is merely a projection of that. | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. It would appear the '55 no go zones' claim came from a Hungarian leaflet distributed by their government (or part of it) ahead of their referendum on EU refugee quotas. http://www.thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary So, I'd file it in the folder along with the picture of Farage in front of the poster of the line of people queuing up to get into the UK. Or the claims that the entirety of Turkey is about to turn up on our doorstep. -Matt Try sparbrook in Birmingham, parts of Rochdale which are rife with sex grooming gangs The shit holes in Luton and stoke, as some one who works all over the UK ???? I was shocked by what dump parts of Peterborough are. The common denominator in all of these areas? Yep mass uncontrolled worthless immigration, from areas like Romania and Pakistan " | |||
"I'm curious. I don't know anything about Sweden and its feminist politics. What are the feminists doing that is so bad? -Matt the radical idea of gender equality.. it looks at a brief glance at their website that its something that other countries could learn from.. The radical notion of ''Gender Equality'' being a buzzword now, especially with the rates of male suicide being more than thrice the female, 90%+ of the homeless being male, men dying younger and now white working class boys are doing worse in education than any other ethnicity and more women in Uni than men, so please, spare us the bullshit that's been fed to us for over 40 years. ls the surge of populism across the West not evidence enough for you of that defunct dogma's death?"  | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear? There you go. lt's the typical response you get. When someone disagrees with your views on the world, you instantly call into question their character first before even addressing their opinion. Who sounds the more scared? This to me is fear and you accusing me of being scared is merely a projection of that." But your posts are always about your fear. Fear of women, fear of men, fear of religion. It's just an observation. | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear?" Maybe some people have sufficient common sense to recognise danger and take a common sense approach to avoid it . There are areas that I avoid at all costs . A degree of fear acts as self preservation . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. It would appear the '55 no go zones' claim came from a Hungarian leaflet distributed by their government (or part of it) ahead of their referendum on EU refugee quotas. http://www.thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary So, I'd file it in the folder along with the picture of Farage in front of the poster of the line of people queuing up to get into the UK. Or the claims that the entirety of Turkey is about to turn up on our doorstep. -Matt Try sparbrook in Birmingham, parts of Rochdale which are rife with sex grooming gangs The shit holes in Luton and stoke, as some one who works all over the UK ???? I was shocked by what dump parts of Peterborough are. The common denominator in all of these areas? Yep mass uncontrolled worthless immigration, from areas like Romania and Pakistan " I have worked in both Peterborough and Luton so know exactly what you mean. Some areas are best avoided . | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear? Maybe some people have sufficient common sense to recognise danger and take a common sense approach to avoid it . There are areas that I avoid at all costs . A degree of fear acts as self preservation . " Pat I can see how "Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them" would be something that might scare some guys. I mean... yeah man-spreading must be a terrifying thing thing for a guy to undergo. I mean... imagine if someone calls them out on it... imagine how humiliating it must be for them to be told to not hog all the space. Think of the irreparable damage to their egos?! As for Cobalt, your post really confuses me. You seem to be upset that the Swedish feminsts are concerned more with 'man-spreading' versus islamic oppression of women. The former you seem to think trivial compared to the latter. Why then does that make Europe less attractive to you? As surely if you are against feminism and gender equality then if all this is true about Sweden (I doubt it) then Europe sounds like a fine place for you? I'm curious as to which country you might be referring to move to. -Matt | |||
"I'm curious. I don't know anything about Sweden and its feminist politics. What are the feminists doing that is so bad? -Matt the radical idea of gender equality.. it looks at a brief glance at their website that its something that other countries could learn from.. The radical notion of ''Gender Equality'' being a buzzword now, especially with the rates of male suicide being more than thrice the female, 90%+ of the homeless being male, men dying younger and now white working class boys are doing worse in education than any other ethnicity and more women in Uni than men, so please, spare us the bullshit that's been fed to us for over 40 years. ls the surge of populism across the West not evidence enough for you of that defunct dogma's death?" maybe some of those white working class males would be better served addressing themselves, total cop out to blame equality.. male suicides and mental health in males is more to do with them not presenting, something to do with not wanting to be seen as 'soft'.. complex issue, again fuck all to do with equality.. stop making excuses to try and support your agenda that's is all to do with islam, you are hardly objective in your views.. | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country." That is right | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear? Maybe some people have sufficient common sense to recognise danger and take a common sense approach to avoid it . There are areas that I avoid at all costs . A degree of fear acts as self preservation . " some people also have an agenda and will perpetuate a version thats not reality to pander to that agenda.. | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country. You sound like a very scared person. Have you considered addressing your fear? Maybe some people have sufficient common sense to recognise danger and take a common sense approach to avoid it . There are areas that I avoid at all costs . A degree of fear acts as self preservation . some people also have an agenda and will perpetuate a version thats not reality to pander to that agenda.." However I prefer to put my safety first and not take a chance . I have no intention of testing the safety of some areas by walking around at night . Handing over my car keys and wallet to two thugs is sufficient to convince me that the dangers are reality , not a figure of my imagination. In some areas I am not bothered if I leave my house unlocked , in others it is crucial. | |||
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"Meanwhile in France..."Fabrice Balanche, a well-known French Islam scholar who teaches at the University of Lyon, recently told Radio Télévision Suisse: "You have territories in France such as Roubaix, such as northern Marseille, where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed." French writer and political journalist Éric Zemmour recently told BFM TV: "There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France. Salafi Islamists are Islamizing some neighborhoods and some suburbs. In these neighborhoods, it's not France, it's an Islamic republic." In a separate interview, Zemmour — whose latest book is entitled, "The French Suicide" — says multiculturalism and the reign of politically correct speech is destroying the country. French politician Franck Guiot wrote that parts of Évry, a township in the southern suburbs of Paris, are no-go zones where police forces cannot go for fear of being attacked. He said that politicians seeking to maintain "social peace" were prohibiting the police from using their weapons to defend themselves. The Socialist mayor of Amiens, Gilles Demailly, has referred to the Fafet-Brossolette district of the city as a "no-go zone" where "you can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house." Europe 1, one of the leading broadcasters in France, has referred to Marseille as a "no-go zone" after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. The French Interior Ministry said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have come under the control of Muslim gangs. The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a "veritable no-go zone" where "aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence" are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear." " Nn doubt maybe of interest to some but nothing to do with the claims about no go ghetto areas over here.. | |||
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"Apparently there are no, no-go areas in Germany: "Mass, unvetted immigration from Africa, Asia and the Middle East is turning parts of Germany into no-go zones — lawless areas where the state has effectively lost control and where native Germans, including the police, increasingly fear to come. German authorities steadfastly deny the existence of such areas, but confidential police reports, testimonies from police on the ground and anecdotal evidence from local citizens all confirm that parts of major German cities have descended into pockets of lawlessness where criminal migrants have usurped control of the streets from German police. Observers say the problems are being exacerbated by the German government, which has relocated hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees into these areas. The newspaper, Bild, and the newsmagazine, Focus, among others, have identified more than 40 "problem areas" (Problemviertel) across Germany. These are areas where large concentrations of migrants, high levels of unemployment and chronic welfare dependency, combined with urban decay, have become incubators for anarchy. In an article entitled "Ghetto Report Germany," Bild describes these areas as "burgeoning ghettos, parallel societies and no-go areas." They include: Berlin-Neukölln, Bremerhaven-Lehe/Bremen-Huchting, Cologne-Chorweiler, Dortmund-Nordstadt, Duisburg-Marxloh, Essen-Altenessen, Hamburg-Eidelstedt, Kaiserslautern-Asternweg, Mannheim-Neckarstadt West and Pforzheim-Oststadt. The problem of no-go zones is especially acute in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), Germany's most populous state. According to the Rheinische Post, NRW problem areas include: Aachen, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Bottrop, Dorsten, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Euskirchen, Gelsenkirchen-Süd, Gladbeck, Hagen, Hamm, Heinsberg, Herne, Iserlohn, Kleve, Cologne, Lippe, Lüdenscheid, Marl, Mettmann, Minden, Mönchengladbach, Münster, Neuss, Oberhausen, Recklinghausen, Remscheid, Rhein-Erft-Kreis, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Solingen, Unna, Witten and Wuppertal. In Duisburg, spiraling levels of violent crime perpetrated by migrants from the Middle East and the Balkans have turned parts of the city into de facto "no-go zones" for police, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to Der Spiegel. The report, produced by NRW police headquarters, warns that the government is losing control over problem neighborhoods and that the ability of police to maintain public order "cannot be guaranteed over the long term." Duisburg, which has a total population of around 500,000, is home to an estimated 60,000 mostly Turkish Muslims, making it one of the most Islamized cities in Germany. In recent years, however, thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians (including Sinti and Roma "gypsies") have flocked to Duisburg, creating a volatile ethno-religious cauldron. According to Der Spiegel: "There are districts where immigrant gangs are taking over entire streets for themselves. Native residents and business people are being intimidated and silenced. People taking trams during the evening and nighttime describe their experiences as 'living nightmares.' Policemen, and especially policewomen, are subject to 'high levels of aggression and disrespect.' "In the medium term, nothing will change. The reasons for this: the high rate of unemployment, the lack of job prospects for immigrants without qualifications for the German labor market and ethnic tensions among migrants.... "Experts have warned for some time that problem neighborhoods could become no-go areas. The president of the German Police Union, Rainer Wendt, told Spiegel Online years ago: 'In Berlin or in the north of Duisburg there are neighborhoods where colleagues hardly dare to stop a car — because they know that they'll be surrounded by 40 or 50 men.' These attacks amount to a 'deliberate challenge to the authority of the state — attacks in which the perpetrators are expressing their contempt for our society.'" " Hi. Thanks for sharing this information and doing the research. It is a very interesting post. | |||
"Meanwhile in France..."Fabrice Balanche, a well-known French Islam scholar who teaches at the University of Lyon, recently told Radio Télévision Suisse: "You have territories in France such as Roubaix, such as northern Marseille, where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed." French writer and political journalist Éric Zemmour recently told BFM TV: "There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France. Salafi Islamists are Islamizing some neighborhoods and some suburbs. In these neighborhoods, it's not France, it's an Islamic republic." In a separate interview, Zemmour — whose latest book is entitled, "The French Suicide" — says multiculturalism and the reign of politically correct speech is destroying the country. French politician Franck Guiot wrote that parts of Évry, a township in the southern suburbs of Paris, are no-go zones where police forces cannot go for fear of being attacked. He said that politicians seeking to maintain "social peace" were prohibiting the police from using their weapons to defend themselves. The Socialist mayor of Amiens, Gilles Demailly, has referred to the Fafet-Brossolette district of the city as a "no-go zone" where "you can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house." Europe 1, one of the leading broadcasters in France, has referred to Marseille as a "no-go zone" after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. The French Interior Ministry said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have come under the control of Muslim gangs. The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a "veritable no-go zone" where "aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence" are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear." " Hi. Thanks for sharing this information. Another very interesting post . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?." "Sweden is a prime destination for asylum seekers because the country offers new immigrants free housing and social welfare benefits upon arrival. But many immigrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East are poorly educated and have great difficulty finding a job in Sweden. As a result, many immigrants are segregated from Swedish society and often live in areas where much of the population comes from countries other than Sweden. This in turn has encouraged the creation of parallel societies and the establishment of so-called no-go zones, parts of Sweden that are off limits to non-Muslims. In some areas, no-go zones function as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law where Swedish authorities have effectively lost control and are unable to provide even basic public aid such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services. In the southern city of Malmö -- where Muslims make up more than 25% of the population -- fire and emergency workers refuse to enter Malmö's mostly Muslim Rosengaard district without police escorts. The male unemployment rate in Rosengaard is estimated to be above 80%. When fire fighters attempted to put out a fire at Malmö's main mosque, they were attacked by stone throwers. In the Swedish city of Gothenburg, Muslim youth have hurled petrol bombs at police cars. In the city's Angered district, where more than 15 police cars were recently destroyed, teenagers have been pointing green lasers at the eyes of police officers, some of whom have been temporarily blinded. In Gothenburg's Backa district, youth have been throwing stones at patrolling officers. Gothenburg police have also been struggling to deal with the problem of Muslim teenagers burning cars and attacking emergency services in several areas of the city." And in answer to your question about loss of control, here's one view: "The fatal flaw of Swedish multiculturalism has been to grant asylum to hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have no prospect of ever finding a job or making a meaningful contribution to Swedish society. Many immigrants are, and will remain, wards of the state." And another: "The Malmö-based Imam Adly Abu Hajar, in an interview with the newspaper Skånska Dagbladet, recently summed it up this way: "Sweden is the best Islamic state."" | |||
"Apparently there are no, no-go areas in Germany: "Mass, unvetted immigration from Africa, Asia and the Middle East is turning parts of Germany into no-go zones — lawless areas where the state has effectively lost control and where native Germans, including the police, increasingly fear to come. German authorities steadfastly deny the existence of such areas, but confidential police reports, testimonies from police on the ground and anecdotal evidence from local citizens all confirm that parts of major German cities have descended into pockets of lawlessness where criminal migrants have usurped control of the streets from German police. Observers say the problems are being exacerbated by the German government, which has relocated hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees into these areas. The newspaper, Bild, and the newsmagazine, Focus, among others, have identified more than 40 "problem areas" (Problemviertel) across Germany. These are areas where large concentrations of migrants, high levels of unemployment and chronic welfare dependency, combined with urban decay, have become incubators for anarchy. In an article entitled "Ghetto Report Germany," Bild describes these areas as "burgeoning ghettos, parallel societies and no-go areas." They include: Berlin-Neukölln, Bremerhaven-Lehe/Bremen-Huchting, Cologne-Chorweiler, Dortmund-Nordstadt, Duisburg-Marxloh, Essen-Altenessen, Hamburg-Eidelstedt, Kaiserslautern-Asternweg, Mannheim-Neckarstadt West and Pforzheim-Oststadt. The problem of no-go zones is especially acute in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), Germany's most populous state. According to the Rheinische Post, NRW problem areas include: Aachen, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Bottrop, Dorsten, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Euskirchen, Gelsenkirchen-Süd, Gladbeck, Hagen, Hamm, Heinsberg, Herne, Iserlohn, Kleve, Cologne, Lippe, Lüdenscheid, Marl, Mettmann, Minden, Mönchengladbach, Münster, Neuss, Oberhausen, Recklinghausen, Remscheid, Rhein-Erft-Kreis, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Solingen, Unna, Witten and Wuppertal. In Duisburg, spiraling levels of violent crime perpetrated by migrants from the Middle East and the Balkans have turned parts of the city into de facto "no-go zones" for police, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to Der Spiegel. The report, produced by NRW police headquarters, warns that the government is losing control over problem neighborhoods and that the ability of police to maintain public order "cannot be guaranteed over the long term." Duisburg, which has a total population of around 500,000, is home to an estimated 60,000 mostly Turkish Muslims, making it one of the most Islamized cities in Germany. In recent years, however, thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians (including Sinti and Roma "gypsies") have flocked to Duisburg, creating a volatile ethno-religious cauldron. According to Der Spiegel: "There are districts where immigrant gangs are taking over entire streets for themselves. Native residents and business people are being intimidated and silenced. People taking trams during the evening and nighttime describe their experiences as 'living nightmares.' Policemen, and especially policewomen, are subject to 'high levels of aggression and disrespect.' "In the medium term, nothing will change. The reasons for this: the high rate of unemployment, the lack of job prospects for immigrants without qualifications for the German labor market and ethnic tensions among migrants.... "Experts have warned for some time that problem neighborhoods could become no-go areas. The president of the German Police Union, Rainer Wendt, told Spiegel Online years ago: 'In Berlin or in the north of Duisburg there are neighborhoods where colleagues hardly dare to stop a car — because they know that they'll be surrounded by 40 or 50 men.' These attacks amount to a 'deliberate challenge to the authority of the state — attacks in which the perpetrators are expressing their contempt for our society.'" " Well I'm sat typing this from Recklinghausen, which is not only in the above list but pretty much smack bang in the middle of the rest. There are many problems here and some areas (although one or two of the places above I find surprising) have almost become ghetto's. There are parts of Duisburg (around half an hour from us) for example that the police do not enter for normal patrols and only go in when they have to and only when well and truly "tooled up" These are mostly areas with a high concentration of Roma. However the newspaper reports quoted are, for me anyway, a bit exaggerated, but not without some foundation. Problem areas? Yes. No go zones? Yes but nothing like as many as suggested above. YET. BTW. There are some cracking swinger clubs in some of those towns mentioned above. | |||
"Have you considered going back? No. I wont, because I want to have the good memories of sweden, when it was eden, it is just to dangerous right now, maibe in the future, if the situation gets better and returns how it was. I am glad that you have good memories . It is a sad state of affairs that we have allowed these situations to develop. I value my safety more than anything gets else . Thanks and yes you are right there it is sad too, that a goverment can let it happen, same here, it is about safety first. What exactly are the government supposedly let happen? Which government do you mean?Well, in sweden it is the feminist party that rules and have allowed it too happen. So, in your OP you were on about Sweden, but failed to clarify that point when others were discussing the UK? The Feminist Initiative polled no seats at he 2014 election to the Riksdag? They also only have one MEP? Again, you are posting baseless opinion as opposed to fact. Dangerous. Well the ones ruling have feminists too that influences it and I was on as well the uk. Backtracking again? There are, I would contend, feminists in all political parties. You stated that in Sweden "it is the feminist party that rules" a blatant untruth. A lot of fear in the world stems from others who take pleasure in scaremongering and spreading misinformation. Which, given the lack of corroborating evidence following your OP, this thread seems to be a case in point. No I am not, we know that there are no go zone by race here in england too and check out the governmentse site, not sure I can post links to it. "I" and "we" in the same sentence? Who are you speaking on behalf of? I am sure, if you try hard enough, you will be able to post the links. I find copying the web address and pasting it directly into the body of a thread works well. I know, but it sais what sort of links we can post in the rules and those we cant, but it sais on the swedish governments site that they have the first femenists government in the world and the last update about it was in 2016. Could you PM the link? I'm reading the English version of the Swedish Government website now. Yes I can and this one is as well the english version.It is more of a coalition goverment and there feminism is included and can influence policy's such as gender equality, but they do like to make the women above the men. Thanks for clarification that Feminism is enshrined in the current government's policies and decision making processes. It is gender equality though, not making women above men. Just to clarify that point. Yes yw but if you live in sweden you would see it more what is wrong with feminism tho as they use propaganda news to make it sound good." But, you haven't lived in Sweden for 10 years? | |||
"Interesting. Can you give any specifIfic examples of how they feminise men? And what sort of rights are they giving women? -Matt By making masculinity ''toxic''. ln fact, 'toxic masculinity' is part of feminist nomenclature. They also force the dogma of the Patriarchy, which is essentially a bi word for Western Civilization. They hate the West. This is why we see such co=operation between Leftist radicals and the Pro-lslamist /Pro-Palestine lobby. Both want to end the West, they both want to get to B from A but both of their 'B's are very different. Modern feminists in Sweden are more concerned with blue eyed men 'man-spreading' than they are with Islamic opinions on women and their oppression of them. lt is making Europe less and less attractive to me to stay, especially due to the fact l can leave Europe for citizenship assured in one particular country." So many assumptions seem to be asserted as facts in your post. Where do you get the information that 'they' want to "end the West?" I am sorry but without facts to back this up, it just comes across as scaremongering and illogical. | |||
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"Apparently there are no, no-go areas in Germany: "Mass, unvetted immigration from Africa, Asia and the Middle East is turning parts of Germany into no-go zones — lawless areas where the state has effectively lost control and where native Germans, including the police, increasingly fear to come. German authorities steadfastly deny the existence of such areas, but confidential police reports, testimonies from police on the ground and anecdotal evidence from local citizens all confirm that parts of major German cities have descended into pockets of lawlessness where criminal migrants have usurped control of the streets from German police. Observers say the problems are being exacerbated by the German government, which has relocated hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees into these areas. The newspaper, Bild, and the newsmagazine, Focus, among others, have identified more than 40 "problem areas" (Problemviertel) across Germany. These are areas where large concentrations of migrants, high levels of unemployment and chronic welfare dependency, combined with urban decay, have become incubators for anarchy. In an article entitled "Ghetto Report Germany," Bild describes these areas as "burgeoning ghettos, parallel societies and no-go areas." They include: Berlin-Neukölln, Bremerhaven-Lehe/Bremen-Huchting, Cologne-Chorweiler, Dortmund-Nordstadt, Duisburg-Marxloh, Essen-Altenessen, Hamburg-Eidelstedt, Kaiserslautern-Asternweg, Mannheim-Neckarstadt West and Pforzheim-Oststadt. The problem of no-go zones is especially acute in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), Germany's most populous state. According to the Rheinische Post, NRW problem areas include: Aachen, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Bottrop, Dorsten, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Euskirchen, Gelsenkirchen-Süd, Gladbeck, Hagen, Hamm, Heinsberg, Herne, Iserlohn, Kleve, Cologne, Lippe, Lüdenscheid, Marl, Mettmann, Minden, Mönchengladbach, Münster, Neuss, Oberhausen, Recklinghausen, Remscheid, Rhein-Erft-Kreis, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Solingen, Unna, Witten and Wuppertal. In Duisburg, spiraling levels of violent crime perpetrated by migrants from the Middle East and the Balkans have turned parts of the city into de facto "no-go zones" for police, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to Der Spiegel. The report, produced by NRW police headquarters, warns that the government is losing control over problem neighborhoods and that the ability of police to maintain public order "cannot be guaranteed over the long term." Duisburg, which has a total population of around 500,000, is home to an estimated 60,000 mostly Turkish Muslims, making it one of the most Islamized cities in Germany. In recent years, however, thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians (including Sinti and Roma "gypsies") have flocked to Duisburg, creating a volatile ethno-religious cauldron. According to Der Spiegel: "There are districts where immigrant gangs are taking over entire streets for themselves. Native residents and business people are being intimidated and silenced. People taking trams during the evening and nighttime describe their experiences as 'living nightmares.' Policemen, and especially policewomen, are subject to 'high levels of aggression and disrespect.' "In the medium term, nothing will change. The reasons for this: the high rate of unemployment, the lack of job prospects for immigrants without qualifications for the German labor market and ethnic tensions among migrants.... "Experts have warned for some time that problem neighborhoods could become no-go areas. The president of the German Police Union, Rainer Wendt, told Spiegel Online years ago: 'In Berlin or in the north of Duisburg there are neighborhoods where colleagues hardly dare to stop a car — because they know that they'll be surrounded by 40 or 50 men.' These attacks amount to a 'deliberate challenge to the authority of the state — attacks in which the perpetrators are expressing their contempt for our society.'" Hi. Thanks for sharing this information and doing the research. It is a very interesting post." I wasn't aware that research of topics figured so highly on your agenda? | |||
"The original post was .... how do we solve this problem/ deal with this ... not listing that they exist SO ....." However additional listing or examples help us to assess the scale of the problem. | |||
"Apparently there are no, no-go areas in Germany: "Mass, unvetted immigration from Africa, Asia and the Middle East is turning parts of Germany into no-go zones — lawless areas where the state has effectively lost control and where native Germans, including the police, increasingly fear to come. German authorities steadfastly deny the existence of such areas, but confidential police reports, testimonies from police on the ground and anecdotal evidence from local citizens all confirm that parts of major German cities have descended into pockets of lawlessness where criminal migrants have usurped control of the streets from German police. Observers say the problems are being exacerbated by the German government, which has relocated hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees into these areas. The newspaper, Bild, and the newsmagazine, Focus, among others, have identified more than 40 "problem areas" (Problemviertel) across Germany. These are areas where large concentrations of migrants, high levels of unemployment and chronic welfare dependency, combined with urban decay, have become incubators for anarchy. In an article entitled "Ghetto Report Germany," Bild describes these areas as "burgeoning ghettos, parallel societies and no-go areas." They include: Berlin-Neukölln, Bremerhaven-Lehe/Bremen-Huchting, Cologne-Chorweiler, Dortmund-Nordstadt, Duisburg-Marxloh, Essen-Altenessen, Hamburg-Eidelstedt, Kaiserslautern-Asternweg, Mannheim-Neckarstadt West and Pforzheim-Oststadt. The problem of no-go zones is especially acute in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), Germany's most populous state. According to the Rheinische Post, NRW problem areas include: Aachen, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Bottrop, Dorsten, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Euskirchen, Gelsenkirchen-Süd, Gladbeck, Hagen, Hamm, Heinsberg, Herne, Iserlohn, Kleve, Cologne, Lippe, Lüdenscheid, Marl, Mettmann, Minden, Mönchengladbach, Münster, Neuss, Oberhausen, Recklinghausen, Remscheid, Rhein-Erft-Kreis, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Solingen, Unna, Witten and Wuppertal. In Duisburg, spiraling levels of violent crime perpetrated by migrants from the Middle East and the Balkans have turned parts of the city into de facto "no-go zones" for police, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to Der Spiegel. The report, produced by NRW police headquarters, warns that the government is losing control over problem neighborhoods and that the ability of police to maintain public order "cannot be guaranteed over the long term." Duisburg, which has a total population of around 500,000, is home to an estimated 60,000 mostly Turkish Muslims, making it one of the most Islamized cities in Germany. In recent years, however, thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians (including Sinti and Roma "gypsies") have flocked to Duisburg, creating a volatile ethno-religious cauldron. According to Der Spiegel: "There are districts where immigrant gangs are taking over entire streets for themselves. Native residents and business people are being intimidated and silenced. People taking trams during the evening and nighttime describe their experiences as 'living nightmares.' Policemen, and especially policewomen, are subject to 'high levels of aggression and disrespect.' "In the medium term, nothing will change. The reasons for this: the high rate of unemployment, the lack of job prospects for immigrants without qualifications for the German labor market and ethnic tensions among migrants.... "Experts have warned for some time that problem neighborhoods could become no-go areas. The president of the German Police Union, Rainer Wendt, told Spiegel Online years ago: 'In Berlin or in the north of Duisburg there are neighborhoods where colleagues hardly dare to stop a car — because they know that they'll be surrounded by 40 or 50 men.' These attacks amount to a 'deliberate challenge to the authority of the state — attacks in which the perpetrators are expressing their contempt for our society.'" Hi. Thanks for sharing this information and doing the research. It is a very interesting post. I wasn't aware that research of topics figured so highly on your agenda? " It depends on what the topic is and whether there is any benefit to be gained by doing research. In some scenarios research is pointless because we already know the facts and have examples to prove it , in other scenarios if you believe someone's facts are wrong it may be worth doing further research depending on how much time is available . In these forums research is probably irrelevant because we are in Cyberland and you can say what you like . I do not think that anyone will change their opinion as a result of any posting on these forums . | |||
"I wasn't aware that research of topics figured so highly on your agenda? It depends on what the topic is and whether there is any benefit to be gained by doing research. In some scenarios research is pointless because we already know the facts and have examples to prove it , in other scenarios if you believe someone's facts are wrong it may be worth doing further research depending on how much time is available . In these forums research is probably irrelevant because we are in Cyberland and you can say what you like . I do not think that anyone will change their opinion as a result of any posting on these forums . " So, in many ways, you approach these fora with a closed mind about the topic and the contributors? | |||
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"I wasn't aware that research of topics figured so highly on your agenda? It depends on what the topic is and whether there is any benefit to be gained by doing research. In some scenarios research is pointless because we already know the facts and have examples to prove it , in other scenarios if you believe someone's facts are wrong it may be worth doing further research depending on how much time is available . In these forums research is probably irrelevant because we are in Cyberland and you can say what you like . I do not think that anyone will change their opinion as a result of any posting on these forums . So, in many ways, you approach these fora with a closed mind about the topic and the contributors? " No, not me personally but I do not believe that many people will be changing their opinions based on what they read here . I would not be doing any serious research based on this site . The opinions on here are hardly life and death matters . | |||
"There are lots of no go zones in all of europe, but more so in sweden due to the eu crisis, we have 55 zones, there are many in england too, especially in london by gangs, is there a solution to reclaim the areas or have it gone out of control?. OK, so what is your definition of a no go zone? It would be when police or ambulance cant get to a place without being attacked, what would your definition be?" It can happen but it does not make these areas no go zones,it is a problem with a few youths here and there. | |||
"I wasn't aware that research of topics figured so highly on your agenda? It depends on what the topic is and whether there is any benefit to be gained by doing research. In some scenarios research is pointless because we already know the facts and have examples to prove it , in other scenarios if you believe someone's facts are wrong it may be worth doing further research depending on how much time is available . In these forums research is probably irrelevant because we are in Cyberland and you can say what you like . I do not think that anyone will change their opinion as a result of any posting on these forums . So, in many ways, you approach these fora with a closed mind about the topic and the contributors? No, not me personally but I do not believe that many people will be changing their opinions based on what they read here . I would not be doing any serious research based on this site . The opinions on here are hardly life and death matters . " Opinions dressed up as facts might well become life and death matters on a site like this. Some are of the opinion that engaging in unprotected sex is fine, which could prove very dangerous if someone choose to accept that as fact. Just putting that out there... | |||
"I wasn't aware that research of topics figured so highly on your agenda? It depends on what the topic is and whether there is any benefit to be gained by doing research. In some scenarios research is pointless because we already know the facts and have examples to prove it , in other scenarios if you believe someone's facts are wrong it may be worth doing further research depending on how much time is available . In these forums research is probably irrelevant because we are in Cyberland and you can say what you like . I do not think that anyone will change their opinion as a result of any posting on these forums . So, in many ways, you approach these fora with a closed mind about the topic and the contributors? No, not me personally but I do not believe that many people will be changing their opinions based on what they read here . I would not be doing any serious research based on this site . The opinions on here are hardly life and death matters . Opinions dressed up as facts might well become life and death matters on a site like this. Some are of the opinion that engaging in unprotected sex is fine, which could prove very dangerous if someone choose to accept that as fact. Just putting that out there... " However I credit most people with having sufficient common sense to differentiate between opinions and facts . Opinions are always interesting because they are so diverse , if I need facts I would look at a more serious source of information. | |||
"However I credit most people with having sufficient common sense to differentiate between opinions and facts . Opinions are always interesting because they are so diverse , if I need facts I would look at a more serious source of information." Like the Daily Mail? | |||
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"Sweden's leading shopping mall Nordstan mall in Gothenburg has been deemed a no-go zone because of criminal drug-dealing 'children' from Syria, Afghanistan and Morocco. But their PC supporters can relax because as Police can't identify anyone because none of them have any ID they hand the 'children' over to Social Services. LOL! RIP Sweden...multicultural disaster area. " What has this got to do with being PC? Or are the 'PC brigade' just the scapegoats for a problem you dont want to solve? | |||
"... are the 'PC brigade' just the scapegoats for a problem you dont want to solve?" the 'PC brigade' aren't the scapegoats...they are the DIRECT CAUSE of the problem. "a problem you dont want to solve"? Surprisingly, I'm not a member of the PC scum which make up the Swedish government therefore I'm not in any position to actually solve the problem THEY CREATED by inviting in savages with no IDs. | |||
"... are the 'PC brigade' just the scapegoats for a problem you dont want to solve? the 'PC brigade' aren't the scapegoats...they are the DIRECT CAUSE of the problem. "a problem you dont want to solve"? Surprisingly, I'm not a member of the PC scum which make up the Swedish government therefore I'm not in any position to actually solve the problem THEY CREATED by inviting in savages with no IDs. " Exactly how do 'PC scum' make this happen? | |||
