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" The worship of Money will quietly kill us all if not confronted and destroyed in the very near future. Just my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how they are received." . I think you pretty much nailed it although I'd add. Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people | |||
"Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people " Absolutely agree, zealots of any kind, be they political, racial or religious, cannot survive without the support of the society that spawned them. | |||
" ...Islam on the other hand is harsh and hard. It has relatively many zealots who are equally harsh, unforgiving and driven. It is my opinion that the two main threats to the world are the worship of Money and Islam. ." Hmmm...thoughtful post and not much I would disagree with. Money? Well, that's a bit of an old one and it hasn't done us in quite yet. So I'll hand it to islam as the main threat...aided and abetted by the idiot followers of West's latest and hopefully most short-lived religion... of political correctness. | |||
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"That is why someone like trump needs to spell it out that it is ok to say what is wrong with the country, that is the only way a country can prosper and not fall into the hands of the political correctness brigade of the world." LoL! Trump is one of the high priests of the Money religion. Theocracies have justifiably bad reputations. It is never a good thing when countries are run by the priesthood of any religion. | |||
"That is why someone like trump needs to spell it out that it is ok to say what is wrong with the country, that is the only way a country can prosper and not fall into the hands of the political correctness brigade of the world. LoL! Trump is one of the high priests of the Money religion. Theocracies have justifiably bad reputations. It is never a good thing when countries are run by the priesthood of any religion." Indeed, have you been following Adam Khan on Twitter (Khanoisseur)'s digging about following the Russian money trail and Trump. It is really pretty scary stuff. You can try and say some of it is a co-incidence or not connected, but there are just too many things being dug up. And too many people Trump has said he has never met or had dealings with that he is photographed with at events. -Matt | |||
"Indeed, have you been following Adam Khan on Twitter (Khanoisseur)'s digging about following the Russian money trail and Trump. It is really pretty scary stuff. You can try and say some of it is a co-incidence or not connected, but there are just too many things being dug up. And too many people Trump has said he has never met or had dealings with that he is photographed with at events. -Matt" No! DO NOT TEMPT ME WITH YOUR TWEETERS! 
I have avoided the twittersphere like the plague, faceache is bad enough!
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"It will be interesting to see if the Donald makes it to the end of his term in office without being impeached or assassinated. My money is on an assassination attempt within his first 12 months of office and impeachment before the next presidential election." . Going off previous form....I would say an attempted assassination | |||
"Going off previous form....I would say an attempted assassination "Now that leads on to the next question... Considering some of the things he has said about the CIA/FBI/Secret Service and the like, what are the chances that Vlad will lend him some bodyguards? And how lightly is it that his Secret Service detail will be just too slow to stop an assassin? Personally I think the Donald may be wishing he had kept his big mouth shut and not made some of his pronouncements. | |||
"Going off previous form....I would say an attempted assassination Now that leads on to the next question...
Considering some of the things he has said about the CIA/FBI/Secret Service and the like, what are the chances that Vlad will lend him some bodyguards? And how lightly is it that his Secret Service detail will be just too slow to stop an assassin?
Personally I think the Donald may be wishing he had kept his big mouth shut and not made some of his pronouncements.". Right wingers never get bumped off, they keep them around as they like the overhaul direction in which they push. However there firmly put in their place once they overstep the mark like Regan did with that gung-ho idea of.... Let's just scrap all the nukes  | |||
"However there firmly put in their place once they overstep the mark like Regan did with that gung-ho idea of.... Let's just scrap all the nukes "Are you suggesting the shooting of Reagan was a put up job just to let him know he was not allowed interfere with the military/industrial complex? | |||
"Going off previous form....I would say an attempted assassination Now that leads on to the next question...
Considering some of the things he has said about the CIA/FBI/Secret Service and the like, what are the chances that Vlad will lend him some bodyguards? And how lightly is it that his Secret Service detail will be just too slow to stop an assassin?
Personally I think the Donald may be wishing he had kept his big mouth shut and not made some of his pronouncements."I watched an interesting documentary about the JFK assassination that said the kill shot (to the head) was accidentally shot by a Secret service agent in a follow-up car reacting to the first shot. It seemed credible, but there are so many theories, who knows what really happened. | |||
"I watched an interesting documentary about the JFK assassination that said the kill shot (to the head) was accidentally shot by a Secret service agent in a follow-up car reacting to the first shot. It seemed credible, but there are so many theories, who knows what really happened." I don't know about that, but I saw JFK when he visited Galway city a few weeks before he was killed and I remember my father being shocked at how vulnerable he was and saying that anyone could shoot him. | |||
"I watched an interesting documentary about the JFK assassination that said the kill shot (to the head) was accidentally shot by a Secret service agent in a follow-up car reacting to the first shot. It seemed credible, but there are so many theories, who knows what really happened. I don't know about that, but I saw JFK when he visited Galway city a few weeks before he was killed and I remember my father being shocked at how vulnerable he was and saying that anyone could shoot him." Hmmm, has your dad ever been to Dallas?  | |||
"That is why someone like trump needs to spell it out that it is ok to say what is wrong with the country, that is the only way a country can prosper and not fall into the hands of the political correctness brigade of the world. LoL! Trump is one of the high priests of the Money religion. Theocracies have justifiably bad reputations. It is never a good thing when countries are run by the priesthood of any religion. Indeed, have you been following Adam Khan on Twitter (Khanoisseur)'s digging about following the Russian money trail and Trump. It is really pretty scary stuff. You can try and say some of it is a co-incidence or not connected, but there are just too many things being dug up. And too many people Trump has said he has never met or had dealings with that he is photographed with at events. -Matt" Trump is a complete puppet of Putin. Putin and the Rusdisns have been playing a clever game over the last 10/12 years. Look up Alexander Dugin; read the synopsis of his book it's all hspoedjing just as he advised. He is Putins closest advisor | |||
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" The worship of Money will quietly kill us all if not confronted and destroyed in the very near future. Just my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how they are received.. I think you pretty much nailed it although I'd add. Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people " Thanks for this, it clarifies a lot of my thoughts on Feminism I love framing the love of money as a religion. Interesting thoughts | |||
" The worship of Money will quietly kill us all if not confronted and destroyed in the very near future. Just my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how they are received.. I think you pretty much nailed it although I'd add. Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people Thanks for this, it clarifies a lot of my thoughts on Feminism I love framing the love of money as a religion. Interesting thoughts" . Although it's a joke line it's also a very true line. . Nobody who has a "belief" that Elvis still lives is treated credibly or nicely, we treat them like the fruit cakes that they are and show to be with their "beliefs" . I don't see why religious people should get special exemption from ridicule..... If somebody comes on with conspiracy "beliefs" nearly every left winger on here that bemoans about tolerant society's will suddenly shout where's your tin foil hat you loon.... But say I belive my god choose me as a "promised" one and wth "promised" land and suddenly were happy to give these people Palestine!. . I believe my god said I should behead cartoonists drawing the prophet... Oh yeah, he's got a point those cartoonists are a bit intolerant to this chaps beliefs!. . . There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Allah | |||
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"It will be interesting to see if the Donald makes it to the end of his term in office without being impeached or assassinated. My money is on an assassination attempt within his first 12 months of office and impeachment before the next presidential election." If he's taking money from foreign governments and it can be proved then an impeachment is inevitable. As for assignation, I hope not. That would be a disaster for democracy, especially if it turned out to have been inspired by some crazed disillusioned so called liberal. Trump will face his own nemeses in 4 years for either doing what he said he would do, the consequences of which will be disastrous, or not doing what he said and loosing the support of those who voted for him. Either way I don't see him getting a second term. | |||
" The worship of Money will quietly kill us all if not confronted and destroyed in the very near future. Just my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how they are received.. I think you pretty much nailed it although I'd add. Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people Thanks for this, it clarifies a lot of my thoughts on Feminism I love framing the love of money as a religion. Interesting thoughts. Although it's a joke line it's also a very true line. . Nobody who has a "belief" that Elvis still lives is treated credibly or nicely, we treat them like the fruit cakes that they are and show to be with their "beliefs" . I don't see why religious people should get special exemption from ridicule..... If somebody comes on with conspiracy "beliefs" nearly every left winger on here that bemoans about tolerant society's will suddenly shout where's your tin foil hat you loon.... But say I belive my god choose me as a "promised" one and wth "promised" land and suddenly were happy to give these people Palestine!. . I believe my god said I should behead cartoonists drawing the prophet... Oh yeah, he's got a point those cartoonists are a bit intolerant to this chaps beliefs!. . . There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Allah" I'm not sure what your point is but I've not many, if any, right or left of centre liberals (Christian or not) say it's ok to cut any ones head of for anything. I also think that most, although definitely not all, are very uncomfortable with, if not totally opposed to Zionist or out right anti Palestinian policies when persuaded by Israel or some Christian fundamentalist. | |||
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" The worship of Money will quietly kill us all if not confronted and destroyed in the very near future. Just my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how they are received.. I think you pretty much nailed it although I'd add. Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people Thanks for this, it clarifies a lot of my thoughts on Feminism I love framing the love of money as a religion. Interesting thoughts. Although it's a joke line it's also a very true line. . Nobody who has a "belief" that Elvis still lives is treated credibly or nicely, we treat them like the fruit cakes that they are and show to be with their "beliefs" . I don't see why religious people should get special exemption from ridicule..... If somebody comes on with conspiracy "beliefs" nearly every left winger on here that bemoans about tolerant society's will suddenly shout where's your tin foil hat you loon.... But say I belive my god choose me as a "promised" one and wth "promised" land and suddenly were happy to give these people Palestine!. . I believe my god said I should behead cartoonists drawing the prophet... Oh yeah, he's got a point those cartoonists are a bit intolerant to this chaps beliefs!. . . There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Allah I'm not sure what your point is but I've not many, if any, right or left of centre liberals (Christian or not) say it's ok to cut any ones head of for anything. I also think that most, although definitely not all, are very uncomfortable with, if not totally opposed to Zionist or out right anti Palestinian policies when persuaded by Israel or some Christian fundamentalist. " . It's quite obvious, the majority of "moderates" give the minority of zealots credibility. If the majority of people actually thought...Mmmm you know, I'm not quite sure, Elvis could be alive, it's possible he does work down the chip shop, I "feel" there is something there, deep down...I mean I'm not sure enough to blow myself up to see if he is in the chip shop?.... It is this sentiment that gives the whack job Elvis lives belivers the dandy to actually stand on street corners giving out flyers that Elvis lives, he's got all the answers, he's gonna return to Vegas and when he does only true believers will be chosen for Vegas heaven.. . . It is not the small whack job religious nutters that we need to solve, it's the majority of moderates that need to shift to the same position of what any right thinking person would do with Elvis lives fanatics... Laugh at them for their out right craziness. . People who bring their children up in religious ways.... Even in a moderate sense, society should be pointing fingers and sniggering at their utter daftness just like we would with any other totally stupid "belief" like Santa or Thor or Zeus or Athena or elves. These people should be utterly ashamed of the nonsense their putting in their children's minds not proud | |||
" The worship of Money will quietly kill us all if not confronted and destroyed in the very near future. Just my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how they are received.. I think you pretty much nailed it although I'd add. Yes zealots drive ideology but zealots will never be persuaded there anything but correct... However "moderates" those that put themselves into that box but don't really take it seriously... They are the ones that give Justification to the zealots, Without the large population of moderates the small amount of zealots would be getting treated for the mental illness they're clearly suffering from!.... There's no moderate Elvis lives belivers, just mentally ill people vs non mentally ill people Thanks for this, it clarifies a lot of my thoughts on Feminism I love framing the love of money as a religion. Interesting thoughts. Although it's a joke line it's also a very true line. . Nobody who has a "belief" that Elvis still lives is treated credibly or nicely, we treat them like the fruit cakes that they are and show to be with their "beliefs" . I don't see why religious people should get special exemption from ridicule..... If somebody comes on with conspiracy "beliefs" nearly every left winger on here that bemoans about tolerant society's will suddenly shout where's your tin foil hat you loon.... But say I belive my god choose me as a "promised" one and wth "promised" land and suddenly were happy to give these people Palestine!. . I believe my god said I should behead cartoonists drawing the prophet... Oh yeah, he's got a point those cartoonists are a bit intolerant to this chaps beliefs!. . . There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Allah I'm not sure what your point is but I've not many, if any, right or left of centre liberals (Christian or not) say it's ok to cut any ones head of for anything. I also think that most, although definitely not all, are very uncomfortable with, if not totally opposed to Zionist or out right anti Palestinian policies when persuaded by Israel or some Christian fundamentalist. . It's quite obvious, the majority of "moderates" give the minority of zealots credibility. If the majority of people actually thought...Mmmm you know, I'm not quite sure, Elvis could be alive, it's possible he does work down the chip shop, I "feel" there is something there, deep down...I mean I'm not sure enough to blow myself up to see if he is in the chip shop?.... It is this sentiment that gives the whack job Elvis lives belivers the dandy to actually stand on street corners giving out flyers that Elvis lives, he's got all the answers, he's gonna return to Vegas and when he does only true believers will be chosen for Vegas heaven.. . . It is not the small whack job religious nutters that we need to solve, it's the majority of moderates that need to shift to the same position of what any right thinking person would do with Elvis lives fanatics... Laugh at them for their out right craziness. . People who bring their children up in religious ways.... Even in a moderate sense, society should be pointing fingers and sniggering at their utter daftness just like we would with any other totally stupid "belief" like Santa or Thor or Zeus or Athena or elves. These people should be utterly ashamed of the nonsense their putting in their children's minds not proud" Ok. I get it now. What you're saying is that anybody who believes in anything, other than nothing, beyond what can be proved or what you do (or don't believe) is, in your opinion, a nutter or simpleton. I think that's clear enough. Thanks. | |||
" It's quite obvious, the majority of "moderates" give the minority of zealots credibility. If the majority of people actually thought...Mmmm you know, I'm not quite sure, Elvis could be alive, it's possible he does work down the chip shop, I "feel" there is something there, deep down...I mean I'm not sure enough to blow myself up to see if he is in the chip shop?.... It is this sentiment that gives the whack job Elvis lives belivers the dandy to actually stand on street corners giving out flyers that Elvis lives, he's got all the answers, he's gonna return to Vegas and when he does only true believers will be chosen for Vegas heaven.. . . It is not the small whack job religious nutters that we need to solve, it's the majority of moderates that need to shift to the same position of what any right thinking person would do with Elvis lives fanatics... Laugh at them for their out right craziness. . People who bring their children up in religious ways.... Even in a moderate sense, society should be pointing fingers and sniggering at their utter daftness just like we would with any other totally stupid "belief" like Santa or Thor or Zeus or Athena or elves. These people should be utterly ashamed of the nonsense their putting in their children's minds not proud Ok. I get it now. What you're saying is that anybody who believes in anything, other than nothing, beyond what can be proved or what you do (or don't believe) is, in your opinion, a nutter or simpleton. I think that's clear enough. Thanks." . That's correct. I mean you can have all the feelings, beliefs and faith you want about it..... Just don't tell people there being illogical over their feelings, belief and faith over say.. Brexit as if your a virtue of rasionality!. . I take it your a moderate beliver of faith? | |||
" It's quite obvious, the majority of "moderates" give the minority of zealots credibility. If the majority of people actually thought...Mmmm you know, I'm not quite sure, Elvis could be alive, it's possible he does work down the chip shop, I "feel" there is something there, deep down...I mean I'm not sure enough to blow myself up to see if he is in the chip shop?.... It is this sentiment that gives the whack job Elvis lives belivers the dandy to actually stand on street corners giving out flyers that Elvis lives, he's got all the answers, he's gonna return to Vegas and when he does only true believers will be chosen for Vegas heaven.. . . It is not the small whack job religious nutters that we need to solve, it's the majority of moderates that need to shift to the same position of what any right thinking person would do with Elvis lives fanatics... Laugh at them for their out right craziness. . People who bring their children up in religious ways.... Even in a moderate sense, society should be pointing fingers and sniggering at their utter daftness just like we would with any other totally stupid "belief" like Santa or Thor or Zeus or Athena or elves. These people should be utterly ashamed of the nonsense their putting in their children's minds not proud Ok. I get it now. What you're saying is that anybody who believes in anything, other than nothing, beyond what can be proved or what you do (or don't believe) is, in your opinion, a nutter or simpleton. I think that's clear enough. Thanks.. That's correct. I mean you can have all the feelings, beliefs and faith you want about it..... Just don't tell people there being illogical over their feelings, belief and faith over say.. Brexit as if your a virtue of rasionality!. . I take it your a moderate beliver of faith?" Clearly not as much as you. It must take a large leap of faith to believe that we're going to be better of outside the EU when all the evidence and logical reasoning says that making it harder to trade with your biggest, closest and richest customers is going to make you poorer. I think that maybe the difference is that most people of a religious faith accept that it is a believer that they hold and, whilst believing it to be true, they don't try and dress it up as fact. I'm not sure that most, if any, of those who have faith in BREXIT can honestly say the same. | |||
" It's quite obvious, the majority of "moderates" give the minority of zealots credibility. If the majority of people actually thought...Mmmm you know, I'm not quite sure, Elvis could be alive, it's possible he does work down the chip shop, I "feel" there is something there, deep down...I mean I'm not sure enough to blow myself up to see if he is in the chip shop?.... It is this sentiment that gives the whack job Elvis lives belivers the dandy to actually stand on street corners giving out flyers that Elvis lives, he's got all the answers, he's gonna return to Vegas and when he does only true believers will be chosen for Vegas heaven.. . . It is not the small whack job religious nutters that we need to solve, it's the majority of moderates that need to shift to the same position of what any right thinking person would do with Elvis lives fanatics... Laugh at them for their out right craziness. . People who bring their children up in religious ways.... Even in a moderate sense, society should be pointing fingers and sniggering at their utter daftness just like we would with any other totally stupid "belief" like Santa or Thor or Zeus or Athena or elves. These people should be utterly ashamed of the nonsense their putting in their children's minds not proud Ok. I get it now. What you're saying is that anybody who believes in anything, other than nothing, beyond what can be proved or what you do (or don't believe) is, in your opinion, a nutter or simpleton. I think that's clear enough. Thanks.. That's correct. I mean you can have all the feelings, beliefs and faith you want about it..... Just don't tell people there being illogical over their feelings, belief and faith over say.. Brexit as if your a virtue of rasionality!. . I take it your a moderate beliver of faith? Clearly not as much as you. It must take a large leap of faith to believe that we're going to be better of outside the EU when all the evidence and logical reasoning says that making it harder to trade with your biggest, closest and richest customers is going to make you poorer. I think that maybe the difference is that most people of a religious faith accept that it is a believer that they hold and, whilst believing it to be true, they don't try and dress it up as fact. I'm not sure that most, if any, of those who have faith in BREXIT can honestly say the same." . Oh lordy.... Did you just say most of you don't pass on your ridiculous illogical beliefs?. . I take it your not including your children in that assumption | |||
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"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. " To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
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"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
-Matt". That's blatantly not true though is it. Nobody would expect to walk into a job interview wearing a tin foil hat and a flying saucer necklace and to be taken as seriously as somebody who didn't. The logical thought process means you think that person has illogical beliefs, you can still think there a fun nice sweet person but they do lose credibility in the logical thinking.... Religious people in reality ask to be taken more seriously than the tin foil hat wearer and I don't see why they should be | |||
" It's quite obvious, the majority of "moderates" give the minority of zealots credibility. If the majority of people actually thought...Mmmm you know, I'm not quite sure, Elvis could be alive, it's possible he does work down the chip shop, I "feel" there is something there, deep down...I mean I'm not sure enough to blow myself up to see if he is in the chip shop?.... It is this sentiment that gives the whack job Elvis lives belivers the dandy to actually stand on street corners giving out flyers that Elvis lives, he's got all the answers, he's gonna return to Vegas and when he does only true believers will be chosen for Vegas heaven.. . . It is not the small whack job religious nutters that we need to solve, it's the majority of moderates that need to shift to the same position of what any right thinking person would do with Elvis lives fanatics... Laugh at them for their out right craziness. . People who bring their children up in religious ways.... Even in a moderate sense, society should be pointing fingers and sniggering at their utter daftness just like we would with any other totally stupid "belief" like Santa or Thor or Zeus or Athena or elves. These people should be utterly ashamed of the nonsense their putting in their children's minds not proud Ok. I get it now. What you're saying is that anybody who believes in anything, other than nothing, beyond what can be proved or what you do (or don't believe) is, in your opinion, a nutter or simpleton. I think that's clear enough. Thanks.. That's correct. I mean you can have all the feelings, beliefs and faith you want about it..... Just don't tell people there being illogical over their feelings, belief and faith over say.. Brexit as if your a virtue of rasionality!. . I take it your a moderate beliver of faith? Clearly not as much as you. It must take a large leap of faith to believe that we're going to be better of outside the EU when all the evidence and logical reasoning says that making it harder to trade with your biggest, closest and richest customers is going to make you poorer. I think that maybe the difference is that most people of a religious faith accept that it is a believer that they hold and, whilst believing it to be true, they don't try and dress it up as fact. I'm not sure that most, if any, of those who have faith in BREXIT can honestly say the same.. Oh lordy.... Did you just say most of you don't pass on your ridiculous illogical beliefs?. . I take it your not including your children in that assumption" What I actually said was that most people of religious faith accept that what they believe is a belief and they don't try and pass it off as fact, unlike people like you and other BREXITers, who try to dress up your own irrational belief that making it harder for us to trade with our closest, biggest and richest neighbours is some how going to make us better off. To me that sort of irrational, muddled believe requires far more faith than accepting that there might be, or that there probably is, something more to life than what is simply observable. | |||
" What I actually said was that most people of religious faith accept that what they believe is a belief and they don't try and pass it off as fact, unlike people like you and other BREXITers, who try to dress up your own irrational belief that making it harder for us to trade with our closest, biggest and richest neighbours is some how going to make us better off. To me that sort of irrational, muddled believe requires far more faith than accepting that there might be, or that there probably is, something more to life than what is simply observable." . . Firstly I don't think I've ever said that brexit would leave us financially better off, in fact the only time I've ever been asked was by Fabio awhile back and I think I said we'd probably see a 5% drop in GDP. . Secondly from your definition of your religious beliefs your clearly not a follower of any religion?... Your a deist! | |||
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"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
-Matt.
That's blatantly not true though is it.
Nobody would expect to walk into a job interview wearing a tin foil hat and a flying saucer necklace and to be taken as seriously as somebody who didn't.
The logical thought process means you think that person has illogical beliefs, you can still think there a fun nice sweet person but they do lose credibility in the logical thinking.... Religious people in reality ask to be taken more seriously than the tin foil hat wearer and I don't see why they should be"To be fair, if anyone came to an interview for a job with me and started spouting of about their believe in Elvis, God, god, gods or lack of believe in any of them I probably won't give them the job. They're there to convince me they can do the job I want done and not to try to convince me of the correctness or otherwise of their personal beliefs. However if three candidates did come forward and made clear that they had any of those beliefs and I had to choose one of them I'd choose the one I felt could do the job the best, regardless of their beliefs. After all, I work with BREXITers quite often, and you can't get much more irrational than them.  | |||
" What I actually said was that most people of religious faith accept that what they believe is a belief and they don't try and pass it off as fact, unlike people like you and other BREXITers, who try to dress up your own irrational belief that making it harder for us to trade with our closest, biggest and richest neighbours is some how going to make us better off. To me that sort of irrational, muddled believe requires far more faith than accepting that there might be, or that there probably is, something more to life than what is simply observable.. . Firstly I don't think I've ever said that brexit would leave us financially better off, in fact the only time I've ever been asked was by Fabio awhile back and I think I said we'd probably see a 5% drop in GDP." To belief and support something you actually freely admit is going to make everyone worse of is not exactly the actions I would expect from a person saying other peoples beliefs and actions are irrational. " Secondly from your definition of your religious beliefs your clearly not a follower of any religion?... Your a deist!" I haven't defined my religious beliefs on this thread. Just pointing out the irrationality and hypocrisy of yours. | |||
" What I actually said was that most people of religious faith accept that what they believe is a belief and they don't try and pass it off as fact, unlike people like you and other BREXITers, who try to dress up your own irrational belief that making it harder for us to trade with our closest, biggest and richest neighbours is some how going to make us better off. To me that sort of irrational, muddled believe requires far more faith than accepting that there might be, or that there probably is, something more to life than what is simply observable.. . Firstly I don't think I've ever said that brexit would leave us financially better off, in fact the only time I've ever been asked was by Fabio awhile back and I think I said we'd probably see a 5% drop in GDP.To belief and support something you actually freely admit is going to make everyone worse of is not exactly the actions I would expect from a person saying other peoples beliefs and actions are irrational. Secondly from your definition of your religious beliefs your clearly not a follower of any religion?... Your a deist! I haven't defined my religious beliefs on this thread. Just pointing out the irrationality and hypocrisy of yours." . I haven't supported anything, I was an abstainer actually... Anyhow getting back to your irrationality, your of no religious denomination then? | |||
"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
-Matt.
That's blatantly not true though is it.
Nobody would expect to walk into a job interview wearing a tin foil hat and a flying saucer necklace and to be taken as seriously as somebody who didn't.
The logical thought process means you think that person has illogical beliefs, you can still think there a fun nice sweet person but they do lose credibility in the logical thinking.... Religious people in reality ask to be taken more seriously than the tin foil hat wearer and I don't see why they should be"It would be illegal to discriminate on the grounds of belief in an interview process. A friend of mine successfully sued a potential employer who asked what religion she was at an interview. | |||
"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
-Matt.
That's blatantly not true though is it.
Nobody would expect to walk into a job interview wearing a tin foil hat and a flying saucer necklace and to be taken as seriously as somebody who didn't.
The logical thought process means you think that person has illogical beliefs, you can still think there a fun nice sweet person but they do lose credibility in the logical thinking.... Religious people in reality ask to be taken more seriously than the tin foil hat wearer and I don't see why they should be
It would be illegal to discriminate on the grounds of belief in an interview process. A friend of mine successfully sued a potential employer who asked what religion she was at an interview. "I agree you shouldn't discrimante.However you dont have to respect someone's religous beliefs.You can blaspheme all you like its a victimless crime.Most true believers of their one true god dont respect the other 3000 or so other gods that have come and gone in human history. | |||
"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
-Matt.
That's blatantly not true though is it.
Nobody would expect to walk into a job interview wearing a tin foil hat and a flying saucer necklace and to be taken as seriously as somebody who didn't.
The logical thought process means you think that person has illogical beliefs, you can still think there a fun nice sweet person but they do lose credibility in the logical thinking.... Religious people in reality ask to be taken more seriously than the tin foil hat wearer and I don't see why they should be
It would be illegal to discriminate on the grounds of belief in an interview process. A friend of mine successfully sued a potential employer who asked what religion she was at an interview. ". Who's discriminating?. . Somebody appearing for an interview with a tin foil hat on and a UFO necklace is conveying a message just like the Elvis lives fanatic or a religious person with a cross or a turban or skull cap. The first two will lose the respect of society for having crazy beliefs, that's just factual, the next three will be protected by law for having crazy beliefs!.... However there no different than the first two in reality.... Too hot on the next thread is slagging off people for not listening to experts, fair enough but then he's exactly the same when it comes to climate change, unwilling to listen to any experts or change anything about his way of life, despite insurmountable evidence to the contrary. . . Were an irrational species | |||
" What I actually said was that most people of religious faith accept that what they believe is a belief and they don't try and pass it off as fact, unlike people like you and other BREXITers, who try to dress up your own irrational belief that making it harder for us to trade with our closest, biggest and richest neighbours is some how going to make us better off. To me that sort of irrational, muddled believe requires far more faith than accepting that there might be, or that there probably is, something more to life than what is simply observable.. . Firstly I don't think I've ever said that brexit would leave us financially better off, in fact the only time I've ever been asked was by Fabio awhile back and I think I said we'd probably see a 5% drop in GDP.To belief and support something you actually freely admit is going to make everyone worse of is not exactly the actions I would expect from a person saying other peoples beliefs and actions are irrational. Secondly from your definition of your religious beliefs your clearly not a follower of any religion?... Your a deist! I haven't defined my religious beliefs on this thread. Just pointing out the irrationality and hypocrisy of yours.. I haven't supported anything, I was an abstainer actually... Anyhow getting back to your irrationality, your of no religious denomination then?" I didn't say that either. I've made no claim on this thread to have any or no faith or religious beliefs. The argument is about rational or irrational behaviour and arguments. I'm simply pointing out that, while you are calling other people and their beliefs irrational your beliefs (as gleamed from your posts on other threads) seem far more irrational, and quite possibly a lot more harmful and damaging to others than someone's belief in a god or anything else which is neither provable nor disprovable. | |||
"You don't even dress it up as a fact!. On that logic, in an interview for a job between an Elvis lives beliver a religious beliver and an atheist....I should take all three as equally logical. To be fair, unless the job is for an Elvis impersonator, Clergy, or head of the Natiinal Association of Athiests... I would say their beliefs have nothing to do with it!
-Matt.
That's blatantly not true though is it.
Nobody would expect to walk into a job interview wearing a tin foil hat and a flying saucer necklace and to be taken as seriously as somebody who didn't.
The logical thought process means you think that person has illogical beliefs, you can still think there a fun nice sweet person but they do lose credibility in the logical thinking.... Religious people in reality ask to be taken more seriously than the tin foil hat wearer and I don't see why they should be
It would be illegal to discriminate on the grounds of belief in an interview process. A friend of mine successfully sued a potential employer who asked what religion she was at an interview. .
Who's discriminating?.
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Somebody appearing for an interview with a tin foil hat on and a UFO necklace is conveying a message just like the Elvis lives fanatic or a religious person with a cross or a turban or skull cap.
The first two will lose the respect of society for having crazy beliefs, that's just factual, the next three will be protected by law for having crazy beliefs!.... However there no different than the first two in reality.... Too hot on the next thread is slagging off people for not listening to experts, fair enough but then he's exactly the same when it comes to climate change, unwilling to listen to any experts or change anything about his way of life, despite insurmountable evidence to the contrary.
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Were an irrational species"Well I'll agree with you on that. | |||
" What I actually said was that most people of religious faith accept that what they believe is a belief and they don't try and pass it off as fact, unlike people like you and other BREXITers, who try to dress up your own irrational belief that making it harder for us to trade with our closest, biggest and richest neighbours is some how going to make us better off. To me that sort of irrational, muddled believe requires far more faith than accepting that there might be, or that there probably is, something more to life than what is simply observable.. . Firstly I don't think I've ever said that brexit would leave us financially better off, in fact the only time I've ever been asked was by Fabio awhile back and I think I said we'd probably see a 5% drop in GDP.To belief and support something you actually freely admit is going to make everyone worse of is not exactly the actions I would expect from a person saying other peoples beliefs and actions are irrational. Secondly from your definition of your religious beliefs your clearly not a follower of any religion?... Your a deist! I haven't defined my religious beliefs on this thread. Just pointing out the irrationality and hypocrisy of yours.. I haven't supported anything, I was an abstainer actually... Anyhow getting back to your irrationality, your of no religious denomination then? I didn't say that either. I've made no claim on this thread to have any or no faith or religious beliefs. The argument is about rational or irrational behaviour and arguments. I'm simply pointing out that, while you are calling other people and their beliefs irrational your beliefs (as gleamed from your posts on other threads) seem far more irrational, and quite possibly a lot more harmful and damaging to others than someone's belief in a god or anything else which is neither provable nor disprovable." . I'm calling you out on a big fat fib there!.... Find me this post of irrationality. Don't worry.. Your a catholic, you can redeem your fib on Sunday | |||
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"So is there actually a problem with people of different religions, backgrounds, education levels, cultures and colours living in the same place? Are only Muslims a problem then? Hindus? Christians? Buddhists? Atheists? Eastern Europeans? Somalis? Who are the people we should blame for all of our problems and expel to solve everything? If we encourage the rise of fascism or communism could we all happily fight them together? I get the feeling that we're all looking for someone to fight and I don't really know why "Because the world is messy and complicated and it makes people feel better to have an easy set of others to blame when things aren't going well? | |||
"So is there actually a problem with people of different religions, backgrounds, education levels, cultures and colours living in the same place? " . Historically we've butchered each other for 10,000 years for our differences.... Will it change anytime soon?. Who knows, hopefully | |||
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"So is there actually a problem with people of different religions, backgrounds, education levels, cultures and colours living in the same place? Are only Muslims a problem then? Hindus? Christians? Buddhists? Atheists? Eastern Europeans? Somalis? Who are the people we should blame for all of our problems and expel to solve everything? If we encourage the rise of fascism or communism could we all happily fight them together? I get the feeling that we're all looking for someone to fight and I don't really know why "Make Love. Not War! | |||
