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"So culture and religion are tied you say?. That's interesting" They are certainly linked in places, or inform each other in places, but I wouldn't say that they are completely inseparable. | |||
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"So culture and religion are tied you say?. That's interesting" Linked but not as the previous closed thread intimated tied. Religions such as Islam are very intrinsic to their culture as you know. | |||
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"So culture and religion are tied you say?. That's interesting Linked but not as the previous closed thread intimated tied. Religions such as Islam are very intrinsic to their culture as you know. " Take Christmas for an example where Christianity is linked to our culture!! | |||
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But all too often it's multi seperation ! | |||
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"A Multiculteral Society would be Sound
But all too often it's multi seperation ! "True true. Integration requires all of us to be involved. | |||
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"A Multiculteral Society would be Sound
But all too often it's multi seperation !
True true. Integration requires all of us to be involved."I work in Kieghly , an it's so sad like Seperate towns in one 
An yes I'm a nationalist !
But never a racist !
Why can't peeps just mix an be nice ?
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"Happy new year to every culture..... Except the Chinese "Bollox to that.... they are doing my dinner in a bit!!!!! | |||
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"Happy new year to every culture..... Except the Chinese "Lot's of cultures use different calendars, in thailand its the year 2559 | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. " why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration" Exactly ! | |||
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"Happy new year to every culture..... Except the Chinese
Lot's of cultures use different calendars, in thailand its the year 2559". That's because Thais are Buddhists and numbers don't mean shit to us  | |||
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"So culture and religion are tied you say?. That's interesting Linked but not as the previous closed thread intimated tied. Religions such as Islam are very intrinsic to their culture as you know. Take Christmas for an example where Christianity is linked to our culture!!" Except Christmas is a mix up of Northern European, Roman and Christian ideas. | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc." and was fine when people integrated. Now it isn't working | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc." They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. and was fine when people integrated. Now it isn't working" Sorry but people never integrated. Groups always sat alone. | |||
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"I believe that multiculturalism is at best a well meant mistake and at worst worst a fatal error. A societies culture is to my mind an expression of its values and beliefs. It is a good thing for a society to be tolerant of others who do not share those values and to give shelter to those who do not share the same values providing they conform. However it is my opinion that when a society allows another culture to supplant its own (even if in ghettos) then it is sewing the seeds of discord, unrest and its eventual destruction. I would suggest that we have never truly been multicultural. We have had many cultures, and the cycle of change has always been the same. A new culture arrives and becomes established. It introduces its own feasts and holidays. It takes over religious sites. It introduces its own laws. And finally it outlaws the practises of supplanted culture. I would be as bold as to say that Islam is moving very quickly from phase 1 to phases 2 and 3 in this country at this time, and unless we rethink our attitude and tolerance to many things our culture is going to become a thing of the past. " Good post. Fully agree.  | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. " Not actually true but carry on | |||
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"I believe that multiculturalism is at best a well meant mistake and at worst worst a fatal error. A societies culture is to my mind an expression of its values and beliefs. It is a good thing for a society to be tolerant of others who do not share those values and to give shelter to those who do not share the same values providing they conform. However it is my opinion that when a society allows another culture to supplant its own (even if in ghettos) then it is sewing the seeds of discord, unrest and its eventual destruction. I would suggest that we have never truly been multicultural. We have had many cultures, and the cycle of change has always been the same. A new culture arrives and becomes established. It introduces its own feasts and holidays. It takes over religious sites. It introduces its own laws. And finally it outlaws the practises of supplanted culture. I would be as bold as to say that Islam is moving very quickly from phase 1 to phases 2 and 3 in this country at this time, and unless we rethink our attitude and tolerance to many things our culture is going to become a thing of the past. " Exactly, and we see what happens in the Muslim world. Do we want that for the future of Britain? | |||
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"''I suppose the other alternative is we could go totally one sided and demand anyone here adopts our Christianity centric society.'' And why not? My Ashkenazi family lived in the Gateshead comminity and then decided to go to New York, in those days it was boat so they traveled to Glasgow and were treated so well here and loved the people that they stayed here. That is integration. " Jews (like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) can and do slip harmoniously into any Christian/secular host society and easily retain their own culture and traditions. There is of course one glaring, barbarically violent exception to this rule. | |||
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"''I suppose the other alternative is we could go totally one sided and demand anyone here adopts our Christianity centric society.'' And why not? My Ashkenazi family lived in the Gateshead comminity and then decided to go to New York, in those days it was boat so they traveled to Glasgow and were treated so well here and loved the people that they stayed here. That is integration. Jews (like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) can and do slip harmoniously into any Christian/secular host society and easily retain their own culture and traditions. There is of course one glaring, barbarically violent exception to this rule. " Not quite true, the Jewish community maintains a parallel court system. The sikh community retains arranged Marriages, and last time I looked I didn't see the above groups being welcomed into the various levels of government | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on" lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration. | |||
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"... They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on" Latest migration statistics for the year ending June 2016 from Migration Watch showed Britain accepted over 570,000 non-British immigrants! The population of Glasgow is just over 600,000. So where exactly is it not true? | |||
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"''I suppose the other alternative is we could go totally one sided and demand anyone here adopts our Christianity centric society.'' And why not? My Ashkenazi family lived in the Gateshead comminity and then decided to go to New York, in those days it was boat so they traveled to Glasgow and were treated so well here and loved the people that they stayed here. That is integration. Jews (like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) can and do slip harmoniously into any Christian/secular host society and easily retain their own culture and traditions. There is of course one glaring, barbarically violent exception to this rule. Not quite true, the Jewish community maintains a parallel court system. The sikh community retains arranged Marriages, and last time I looked I didn't see the above groups being welcomed into the various levels of government " Disingenuous point. The vast majority of Jew are reform Jews, that abide by British law and most second and third generation Sikhs do not have arranged marriages. | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration." And now look at the political and social impact each of the groups you mention had. Way more than the UK has experienced in the last 20 years. | |||
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"''I suppose the other alternative is we could go totally one sided and demand anyone here adopts our Christianity centric society.'' And why not? My Ashkenazi family lived in the Gateshead comminity and then decided to go to New York, in those days it was boat so they traveled to Glasgow and were treated so well here and loved the people that they stayed here. That is integration. Jews (like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) can and do slip harmoniously into any Christian/secular host society and easily retain their own culture and traditions. There is of course one glaring, barbarically violent exception to this rule. Not quite true, the Jewish community maintains a parallel court system. The sikh community retains arranged Marriages, and last time I looked I didn't see the above groups being welcomed into the various levels of government " The last time I looked I saw a serious PC bullshitter on this thread. | |||
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"''I suppose the other alternative is we could go totally one sided and demand anyone here adopts our Christianity centric society.'' And why not? My Ashkenazi family lived in the Gateshead comminity and then decided to go to New York, in those days it was boat so they traveled to Glasgow and were treated so well here and loved the people that they stayed here. That is integration. Jews (like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) can and do slip harmoniously into any Christian/secular host society and easily retain their own culture and traditions. There is of course one glaring, barbarically violent exception to this rule. Not quite true, the Jewish community maintains a parallel court system. The sikh community retains arranged Marriages, and last time I looked I didn't see the above groups being welcomed into the various levels of government The last time I looked I saw a serious PC bullshitter on this thread." How did you manage to spot them amongst all the xenophobia and Daily Mail style drivel? | |||
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"Exactly, and we see what happens in the Muslim world. Do we want that for the future of Britain? " I would suggest from reading many posts here and elsewhere that there are many who are attracted to many of the authoritarian concepts that Islam enshrines. Unfortunately authoritarianism of any kind is not a pick and mix system. "Jews (like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) can and do slip harmoniously into any Christian/secular host society and easily retain their own culture and traditions." That is not quite so. People of many faiths who conform to the dress and cultural codes of their host society live harmoniously within the host culture. However those that don't don't. We have many examples of this throughout European history. All you need to do is google Jewish pogroms and you will see how fragile tolerance really is. You may also want to read a little about the Mogul kings of India to see what happens when an intolerant culture enslaves a tolerant culture. There are of course many other examples I could quote. | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration" For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration. And now look at the political and social impact each of the groups you mention had. Way more than the UK has experienced in the last 20 years. " How can you even say that? The nation has never been as divided. There are now whole enclaves of other cultures and places that have demographically radically changed within a decade. Over a million Poles within a decade arrived for example. Archaeologist and historians think that the total Anglo-Saxon immigration was around 100,000-200,000 over a span of a century. lt's incomparable. There is also now millions of people with poor English skills and hundreds of thousand where English is not spoken at all. To say the the social change of today is lesser than the previous ones is farcical and now l seriously think you are trolling. l also don't see why we needed other cultures to ''enrich our lives'' Curry and steel drums don't enrich my life. | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. " So your argument for multiculturalism is that you wouldn't have a girlfriend? Wow. And no offense but so many pf those Thai brides are just using the guy to get a visa. | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. " Marrying a foreigner is not multiculturism  | |||
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"For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. " I don't know about others, but for me multiculturalism is not the same as multiethnicity. Depending on who is on line I know your husband/wife is Corsican/Asian/Oriental, and therefore you have an ethnically mixed marriage. On the whole your kind of relationship lasts because it is the 2 of you against the world (so to speak) and that makes for strong bonds. That is not the same as a multicultural marriage. They tend to fail unless one of the partners renounces their culture and converts. | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration. And now look at the political and social impact each of the groups you mention had. Way more than the UK has experienced in the last 20 years. How can you even say that? The nation has never been as divided. There are now whole enclaves of other cultures and places that have demographically radically changed within a decade. Over a million Poles within a decade arrived for example. Archaeologist and historians think that the total Anglo-Saxon immigration was around 100,000-200,000 over a span of a century. lt's incomparable. There is also now millions of people with poor English skills and hundreds of thousand where English is not spoken at all. To say the the social change of today is lesser than the previous ones is farcical and now l seriously think you are trolling. l also don't see why we needed other cultures to ''enrich our lives'' Curry and steel drums don't enrich my life." More divided, that's down to petty nationalist parties. Yes those angles saxons and jukes completely replaced the existing political structures, changed the language and were carriers for a different religion. That's how I can say that. Based on your "steel drums" and "curry" comments I doubt very much you are capable of serious thought. Stick to buying Princess Diana memorial plates from the Daily Mail. It's more "your thing" than thinking. | |||
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"..Yes those angles saxons and jukes completely replaced the existing political structures, changed the language and were carriers for a different religion. That's how I can say that... " "The last time I looked"...they were called Jutes! You must be one of those Clinton fucked-checkers! | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. Marrying a foreigner is not multiculturism "Yes it is. I've adapted quite well to the wife's culture. Nowt better than a bratwurst washed down with a gluhwein Can't get my head around that bloody sauerkraut though.  | |||
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"..Yes those angles saxons and jukes completely replaced the existing political structures, changed the language and were carriers for a different religion. That's how I can say that... "The last time I looked"...they were called Jutes! You must be one of those Clinton fucked-checkers!" They joy of autocorect | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration. And now look at the political and social impact each of the groups you mention had. Way more than the UK has experienced in the last 20 years. How can you even say that? The nation has never been as divided. There are now whole enclaves of other cultures and places that have demographically radically changed within a decade. Over a million Poles within a decade arrived for example. Archaeologist and historians think that the total Anglo-Saxon immigration was around 100,000-200,000 over a span of a century. lt's incomparable. There is also now millions of people with poor English skills and hundreds of thousand where English is not spoken at all. To say the the social change of today is lesser than the previous ones is farcical and now l seriously think you are trolling. l also don't see why we needed other cultures to ''enrich our lives'' Curry and steel drums don't enrich my life. More divided, that's down to petty nationalist parties. Yes those angles saxons and jukes completely replaced the existing political structures, changed the language and were carriers for a different religion. That's how I can say that. Based on your "steel drums" and "curry" comments I doubt very much you are capable of serious thought. Stick to buying Princess Diana memorial plates from the Daily Mail. It's more "your thing" than thinking. " Yeah it's our fault! Blame the British! Yep you are a troll. Also the curry comments were tongue-in-cheek but highlight a valid point. What is the benefit (culturally) for mass immigration? Why do you need mass immigration to have these things anyway? You just google the fucking recipe. As you never refuted my point, l will assume that you can't As the great grandson of a refugee. And actually, the Saxons adopted the religion of the local Celts, their art too. Funny that since you seem to think they never integrated. | |||
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"Multiculturism works and is a good thing? Maybe I've imagined the no go areas around places like greater Manchester or the rise of home grown terrorism or the rise of the far right across Europe as a reaction to things like this. Multiculturism was a 'nice' idea 30 years ago but its failed"
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"For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. I don't know about others, but for me multiculturalism is not the same as multiethnicity. Depending on who is on line I know your husband/wife is Corsican/Asian/Oriental, and therefore you have an ethnically mixed marriage. On the whole your kind of relationship lasts because it is the 2 of you against the world (so to speak) and that makes for strong bonds. That is not the same as a multicultural marriage. They tend to fail unless one of the partners renounces their culture and converts." Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. | |||
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"l don't fear the far right as much as l fear lslam. The far-right haven't been murdering anyone lately." I fear both! By the way Thomas Mair (man who killed Jo Cox) was a far right activist. As was Anders Behring Breivik, remember him? He shot 85 children dead because they were at a socialist youth camp. | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration. And now look at the political and social impact each of the groups you mention had. Way more than the UK has experienced in the last 20 years. How can you even say that? The nation has never been as divided. There are now whole enclaves of other cultures and places that have demographically radically changed within a decade. Over a million Poles within a decade arrived for example. Archaeologist and historians think that the total Anglo-Saxon immigration was around 100,000-200,000 over a span of a century. lt's incomparable. There is also now millions of people with poor English skills and hundreds of thousand where English is not spoken at all. To say the the social change of today is lesser than the previous ones is farcical and now l seriously think you are trolling. l also don't see why we needed other cultures to ''enrich our lives'' Curry and steel drums don't enrich my life. More divided, that's down to petty nationalist parties. Yes those angles saxons and jukes completely replaced the existing political structures, changed the language and were carriers for a different religion. That's how I can say that. Based on your "steel drums" and "curry" comments I doubt very much you are capable of serious thought. Stick to buying Princess Diana memorial plates from the Daily Mail. It's more "your thing" than thinking. Yeah it's our fault! Blame the British! Yep you are a troll. Also the curry comments were tongue-in-cheek but highlight a valid point. What is the benefit (culturally) for mass immigration? Why do you need mass immigration to have these things anyway? You just google the fucking recipe. As you never refuted my point, l will assume that you can't As the great grandson of a refugee. And actually, the Saxons adopted the religion of the local Celts, their art too. Funny that since you seem to think they never integrated. " Firstly the Saxons did not adopt the religion of the Celts, simply put the celtic culture had migrated over many years to be Romano - British. The Saxons waged a fairly effective cultural assimilation campaign ( primary evidence is the nature of the UK court system) Due to the multi cultural atmosphere there was cross polinisation in art. But you don't think multi culturalism is good, so feel free to ignore your own arguments. Nice use of Google, which was a product of a multi cultural company. And no I don't blame the British ( not that there is such a thing as British, we are a mongrel composite) I blame uneducated Alf Garnet wannabes who rant xenophobia and bile on the Internet. | |||
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others." Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into? | |||
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"... They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on Latest migration statistics for the year ending June 2016 from Migration Watch showed Britain accepted over 570,000 non-British immigrants! The population of Glasgow is just over 600,000. So where exactly is it not true?" And 188,000 emigrated in the same time. Which puts net migration of non-UK nationals at 385,000. Interestingly enough, from the same statistics you quote, the net migration of Brits was -49,000 ie. Brits appear to be leaving the country. So, I'd say you still have a point, but would be better if you used correct numbers -Matt | |||
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"Last time I looked intolerance and ignorance were not regarded as core British values. This country has been multi cultural since about 500bc. They came in small numbers, in the tens of thousands, and thus had time to adapt and become British. When you bring a population the size of Glasgow into your country per annum, that's when things are really bad. Not actually true but carry on lt's not true? How many Romans arrived? How many Normans? Saxons? ln the last 50 years, the number of people arriving here has been larger than all other waves of migration since people arrived here combined. The last decade has never seen the number of people migrate in Britain's history. Another example is the Huguenots. Only 50,000 of them arrived over a period of years. That is equivalent of less than one month of our current immigration. And now look at the political and social impact each of the groups you mention had. Way more than the UK has experienced in the last 20 years. How can you even say that? The nation has never been as divided. There are now whole enclaves of other cultures and places that have demographically radically changed within a decade. Over a million Poles within a decade arrived for example. Archaeologist and historians think that the total Anglo-Saxon immigration was around 100,000-200,000 over a span of a century. lt's incomparable. There is also now millions of people with poor English skills and hundreds of thousand where English is not spoken at all. To say the the social change of today is lesser than the previous ones is farcical and now l seriously think you are trolling. l also don't see why we needed other cultures to ''enrich our lives'' Curry and steel drums don't enrich my life. More divided, that's down to petty nationalist parties. Yes those angles saxons and jukes completely replaced the existing political structures, changed the language and were carriers for a different religion. That's how I can say that. Based on your "steel drums" and "curry" comments I doubt very much you are capable of serious thought. Stick to buying Princess Diana memorial plates from the Daily Mail. It's more "your thing" than thinking. Yeah it's our fault! Blame the British! Yep you are a troll. Also the curry comments were tongue-in-cheek but highlight a valid point. What is the benefit (culturally) for mass immigration? Why do you need mass immigration to have these things anyway? You just google the fucking recipe. As you never refuted my point, l will assume that you can't As the great grandson of a refugee. And actually, the Saxons adopted the religion of the local Celts, their art too. Funny that since you seem to think they never integrated. Firstly the Saxons did not adopt the religion of the Celts, simply put the celtic culture had migrated over many years to be Romano - British. The Saxons waged a fairly effective cultural assimilation campaign ( primary evidence is the nature of the UK court system) Due to the multi cultural atmosphere there was cross polinisation in art. But you don't think multi culturalism is good, so feel free to ignore your own arguments. Nice use of Google, which was a product of a multi cultural company. And no I don't blame the British ( not that there is such a thing as British, we are a mongrel composite) I blame uneducated Alf Garnet wannabes who rant xenophobia and bile on the Internet. " The Saxons never converted to Christianity? That's news to me. You'll have to call the Church of England and tell them. ''But you don't think multi culturalism is good, so feel free to ignore your own arguments.'' No, l used this as an example of integration. You obviously despise Britain and the West and we do have a superior culture. That's why they all want to be here after all. Nice use of google? l'm sure you mean the internet in general. You can stick to the Encyclopedia Britannica but l'll live in 2017, thank you very much. ''not that there is such a thing as British'' There you go folks, exactly as l said above. Ever heard of Dumbarton (Dùn Breatainn) Gaelic for for ''Fort of the Britons'' They must never have existed? Over 80% of people in Britain share a direct male ancestor haplogroup. The genetic input from elsewhere has been tiny. ln fact according to Bryan Sykes, former Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford, ''The genetic makeup of Britain and Ireland is overwhelmingly what it has been since the Neolithic period and to a very considerable extent since the Mesolithic period, especially in the female line, i.e. those people, who in time would become identified as British Celts'' l'm going to believe him over your Left wing drivel.
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into?" If we have children they will grow up experiencing both religions. | |||
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into? If we have children they will grow up experiencing both religions. " more like integration then than multiculturalism | |||
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into? If we have children they will grow up experiencing both religions. more like integration then than multiculturalism" Growing up experiencing multiple cultures isn't multiculturalism? | |||
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"Multiculturalism does not exist. All cultures stick to their own and in a few cases you might see some groups mixing as friends. However, in the majority we don't. However, most cultures can easily mix and share common values, however, from experience Muslims just cannot. I have found them to be exceptionally hypocritical and an inability ti integrate in any way. Most faiths and cultures can easily live alongside each other and enjoy each others company but Muslims has certain "beliefs" that make it impossible to fully mix with the rest of us." Tell you what, after your next night out for a curry with a few glasses of Stella, when you are sat around home in your bungalow wearing a pair of pyjamas, maybe having a cup of tea, remind yourself that all cultures stick to their own. | |||
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into? If we have children they will grow up experiencing both religions. more like integration then than multiculturalism Growing up experiencing multiple cultures isn't multiculturalism? "no, they will only experience the one culture you have created between yourselves which is a combination of the 2 | |||
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into? If we have children they will grow up experiencing both religions. more like integration then than multiculturalism Growing up experiencing multiple cultures isn't multiculturalism?
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"Im sure that you monoculturalist also reject things like watching American TV and movies, only drive British cars, wouldn’t be caught dead drinking American cola, European beer, Russian vodka, or wines from around the world. As mentioned above, no curries or cups of tea either. Of course there is only one thing more terrible that visiting any other country, and that is the thought of moving to another country! I mean a true monoculturalist would rather shit on the Union Flag and punch the Queen in the face than ever move to a country like Spain or Germany or Israel, right?" wrong. You don't seem to understand what multiculturism is | |||
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"Our relationship isn’t about the two of us against the world at all and to be honest its a bit arrogant of you to assume that it is. We do come from two different cultures, she respects mine, and I respect hers, neither of us have had to renounce either their culture or religion. Both our religions teach tolerance of others. Sorry, my words were badly chosen, I was not being personal, I was generalising and should have made that clear. From reading your posts I would have thought that religion does not play a significant roll in your life and I would have expected you to be secular, however I am obviously wrong in that thought. May I ask you a question or two seeing as you and your partner have different religions and cultures... What religion will you raise your children in? As most religions have some sort of initiation or naming ceremony for new born, which of your 2 religions will you choose to have your children initiated into? If we have children they will grow up experiencing both religions. more like integration then than multiculturalism Growing up experiencing multiple cultures isn't multiculturalism?
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"Most of the Curries are actually an english dish. It does not exist in India / Pakistan. You not understanding what I am saying. We all experience different cultures and can mix, but certain cultures will not. Let's see if that waiter at your curry house will join you for a pint and "let" his wife join in a nightout at a club or bar. Look around this country, white the vast majority of people live within their own race. THAT'S A VISUAL FACT. There are a few exceptions but the majority stick with their own. Except for at work, most races stick to their own. Pubs,clubs, amateur football teams, etc etc" I am not entirely sure that is my experience. Okay, London calling, but most children in schools are mixed race these days .... And many cultures mix, as do religions and faiths, on a personal basis too. Indeed, the basis of the British Values agenda in education is about welcoming and promoting Britain as a multiicultial society. Not sure where some people have been. In their bunker? Now time thread the thread. Thanks for the heads up, friend, and hope to meet up socially one day | |||
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"What you're doing is not actually addressing the issue but nitpicking. You fully well know what I mean about "areas" where certain cultures live. I am just saying, we do not live in a multicultural society where we mix freely and live next door to each other. We still remain isolated within our own cultures and the proof is in WHITE, ASIAN, POLISH etc areas. If we were truly multi culture, these areas would not exist but they do. The vast majority of people just prefer to live amongst their own kind. People said white flight was a racist attitude, well I can tell you second generation immigrant children (Indian and sikh) are doing exactly the same and moving away from areas now the new wave of immigrants are moving in. That's not an opinion thats a fact. The Muslim community seem to live within there own areas and continue to do so due to their culture. You should see how many of their wives are cousins or from their "homeland". Its not LOVE marriages and its a sad reality of life these women have to face. This is allowed to continue because people dress it up by saying "what a wonderful multi cultural country we live in". I''m not biased, I can actually say this from living it myself and seeing it from the inside." Are you referring to my comment? If so, I wasn't nit picking but giving my personal experience of living and working where cultures do indeed integrate. I am not talking specifically about only my own culture either, but many, many I see. Just because I disagree with your point, it isn't nit picking. My opinion is as valid as anyone's, don't you think? | |||
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"Most of the Curries are actually an english dish. It does not exist in India / Pakistan. You not understanding what I am saying. We all experience different cultures and can mix, but certain cultures will not. Let's see if that waiter at your curry house will join you for a pint and "let" his wife join in a nightout at a club or bar. Look around this country, white the vast majority of people live within their own race. THAT'S A VISUAL FACT. There are a few exceptions but the majority stick with their own. Except for at work, most races stick to their own. Pubs,clubs, amateur football teams, etc etc" If he's tea total why should I expect him to join me for a pint, he probably doesn't expect you to join him at prayer The visual facts thing, does that apply to Irish people. Or French people, or just the ones that because you don't understand them, frighten you? | |||
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"Again nitpicking. Irish, french etc are mainly white and what I am saying is the vast majority stick to their own kind (COLOUR). You not seeing the overall picture, you just trying to find bits and pieces and ignoring other things I have said. You may then argue culture is nothing to do with colour, but again colour and culture normally go together, not all the time but majority does. Lets see how Germany and France vote next and how close Italy came to being right wing. As for the fact they tea total etc, is it right their wives cannot wear what they want ? A BASIC RIGHT ! Dont then come back to me and say it's their culture because i'd love you to say it to their daughter and wife who live in a silence for the rest of their lives. I HAVE LIVED IT so I know what i'm talking about. Love your Utopian ideals but get a reality check." You sound bitter. What you are talking about is your experience and when someone tells you theirs you dismiss it as nit picking. You are ignoring what is happening all around you because of your experience. Don't keep dismissing others. Lots of people have valid an relevant things to say. | |||
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"What you're doing is not actually addressing the issue but nitpicking. You fully well know what I mean about "areas" where certain cultures live. I am just saying, we do not live in a multicultural society where we mix freely and live next door to each other. We still remain isolated within our own cultures and the proof is in WHITE, ASIAN, POLISH etc areas. If we were truly multi culture, these areas would not exist but they do. The vast majority of people just prefer to live amongst their own kind. People said white flight was a racist attitude, well I can tell you second generation immigrant children (Indian and sikh) are doing exactly the same and moving away from areas now the new wave of immigrants are moving in. That's not an opinion thats a fact. The Muslim community seem to live within there own areas and continue to do so due to their culture. You should see how many of their wives are cousins or from their "homeland". Its not LOVE marriages and its a sad reality of life these women have to face. This is allowed to continue because people dress it up by saying "what a wonderful multi cultural country we live in". I''m not biased, I can actually say this from living it myself and seeing it from the inside." Good answers. I find Indians/Sikhs are very keen to integrate. | |||
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"Again nitpicking. Irish, french etc are mainly white and what I am saying is the vast majority stick to their own kind (COLOUR). You not seeing the overall picture, you just trying to find bits and pieces and ignoring other things I have said. You may then argue culture is nothing to do with colour, but again colour and culture normally go together, not all the time but majority does. Lets see how Germany and France vote next and how close Italy came to being right wing. As for the fact they tea total etc, is it right their wives cannot wear what they want ? A BASIC RIGHT ! Dont then come back to me and say it's their culture because i'd love you to say it to their daughter and wife who live in a silence for the rest of their lives. I HAVE LIVED IT so I know what i'm talking about. Love your Utopian ideals but get a reality check. You sound bitter. What you are talking about is your experience and when someone tells you theirs you dismiss it as nit picking. You are ignoring what is happening all around you because of your experience. Don't keep dismissing others. Lots of people have valid an relevant things to say." So if you are saying it is their right to choose what they wear you will be out on the streets demanding they have an absolute right to wear a burkha? Probably not. Bottom line, you have issues with anyone past beige on a colour chart How pitiful. | |||
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"Again nitpicking. Irish, french etc are mainly white and what I am saying is the vast majority stick to their own kind (COLOUR). You not seeing the overall picture, you just trying to find bits and pieces and ignoring other things I have said. You may then argue culture is nothing to do with colour, but again colour and culture normally go together, not all the time but majority does. Lets see how Germany and France vote next and how close Italy came to being right wing. As for the fact they tea total etc, is it right their wives cannot wear what they want ? A BASIC RIGHT ! Dont then come back to me and say it's their culture because i'd love you to say it to their daughter and wife who live in a silence for the rest of their lives. I HAVE LIVED IT so I know what i'm talking about. Love your Utopian ideals but get a reality check. You sound bitter. What you are talking about is your experience and when someone tells you theirs you dismiss it as nit picking. You are ignoring what is happening all around you because of your experience. Don't keep dismissing others. Lots of people have valid an relevant things to say. So if you are saying it is their right to choose what they wear you will be out on the streets demanding they have an absolute right to wear a burkha? Probably not. Bottom line, you have issues with anyone past beige on a colour chart How pitiful. " Are talking to me as your post isn't relevant to anything that I have commented on .... What color do you think I am? | |||
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"Again nitpicking. Irish, french etc are mainly white and what I am saying is the vast majority stick to their own kind (COLOUR). You not seeing the overall picture, you just trying to find bits and pieces and ignoring other things I have said. You may then argue culture is nothing to do with colour, but again colour and culture normally go together, not all the time but majority does. Lets see how Germany and France vote next and how close Italy came to being right wing. As for the fact they tea total etc, is it right their wives cannot wear what they want ? A BASIC RIGHT ! Dont then come back to me and say it's their culture because i'd love you to say it to their daughter and wife who live in a silence for the rest of their lives. I HAVE LIVED IT so I know what i'm talking about. Love your Utopian ideals but get a reality check. You sound bitter. What you are talking about is your experience and when someone tells you theirs you dismiss it as nit picking. You are ignoring what is happening all around you because of your experience. Don't keep dismissing others. Lots of people have valid an relevant things to say. So if you are saying it is their right to choose what they wear you will be out on the streets demanding they have an absolute right to wear a burkha? Probably not. Bottom line, you have issues with anyone past beige on a colour chart How pitiful. Are talking to me as your post isn't relevant to anything that I have commented on .... What color do you think I am? " aimed at an earlier post I hit the wrong reply button | |||
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"Im sure that you monoculturalist also reject things like watching American TV and movies, only drive British cars, wouldn’t be caught dead drinking American cola, European beer, Russian vodka, or wines from around the world. As mentioned above, no curries or cups of tea either. Of course there is only one thing more terrible that visiting any other country, and that is the thought of moving to another country! I mean a true monoculturalist would rather shit on the Union Flag and punch the Queen in the face than ever move to a country like Spain or Germany or Israel, right? wrong. You don't seem to understand what multiculturism is" "Multiculturalism is the existence of multiple cultural traditions within a single country, usually considered in terms of the culture associated with an aboriginal ethnic group and foreigner ethnic groups" | |||
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"Multiculturalism does not exist. All cultures stick to their own and in a few cases you might see some groups mixing as friends. However, in the majority we don't. However, most cultures can easily mix and share common values, however, from experience Muslims just cannot. I have found them to be exceptionally hypocritical and an inability ti integrate in any way. Most faiths and cultures can easily live alongside each other and enjoy each others company but Muslims has certain "beliefs" that make it impossible to fully mix with the rest of us." I think by seeing ALL Muslims as one and the same you are showing a lack of understanding about vast numbers of second and third generation Muslims who have been born and raised n the UK.....you dislike for Muslims clouds your vision. | |||
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"Multiculturalism does not exist. All cultures stick to their own and in a few cases you might see some groups mixing as friends. However, in the majority we don't. However, most cultures can easily mix and share common values, however, from experience Muslims just cannot. I have found them to be exceptionally hypocritical and an inability ti integrate in any way. Most faiths and cultures can easily live alongside each other and enjoy each others company but Muslims has certain "beliefs" that make it impossible to fully mix with the rest of us. I think by seeing ALL Muslims as one and the same you are showing a lack of understanding about vast numbers of second and third generation Muslims who have been born and raised n the UK.....you dislike for Muslims clouds your vision."
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"Multiculturalism does not exist. All cultures stick to their own and in a few cases you might see some groups mixing as friends. However, in the majority we don't. However, most cultures can easily mix and share common values, however, from experience Muslims just cannot. I have found them to be exceptionally hypocritical and an inability ti integrate in any way. Most faiths and cultures can easily live alongside each other and enjoy each others company but Muslims has certain "beliefs" that make it impossible to fully mix with the rest of us. I think by seeing ALL Muslims as one and the same you are showing a lack of understanding about vast numbers of second and third generation Muslims who have been born and raised n the UK.....you dislike for Muslims clouds your vision.
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"Here we go, islamaphobia is it ! Goodness sake. Address the issues. As regards second generation Muslims date and get married is complete and utter rubbish. Muslim girls cannot go dating no matter what generation they are. That's a FACT. " One of my best mates from London, a British Christian, married a third generation Muslim girl...I went to their wedding....that's a FACT. You just choose to see everything tunnel vision. | |||
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"Again one in a million. You are one of the reasons why these women are basically enslaved in their culture. Do not try to excuse their culture when it's a fact their women simply dont enjoy the freedoms they should have and have the right too. " Look I get it that you are Indian or British Indian, I don't expect you to see it from my point of view, but your hatred for Muslims is starting to look bloody ridiculous on here......can't you keep that hatred to yourself? Can you imagine the fuss if the thread was banging on about Hindus, Sikhs, or Indian Catholics?.....it wouldn't be right, and nor are your own rantings. I grew up in South London amongst people from all over the world, if I am indeed part of a 'problem' with my views of religious hatred then I'm happy to have a 'problem' I'm proud to be British, as are my Jewish, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, and even my Rastafarian mates from where I grew up. Happy New Year to everyone.....and I mean everyone. | |||
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"If you going on the I know a Muslim blah blah blah I grew up in north London. My best man is muslim. I grew up in a gang of mates who were black and asain. Still mates with the lot of them. But I can tell you, the Muslims in my set of friends agree with me. They feel confined to the village ideals of their families and peer group and find it impossible to get out of the atituttudes they are confined to. They drank like fish at my stag too ! I'm not hating." I've looked back over your posts....you have a history of it, in fact you speak of little else on here. And while we are on the subject of 'village ideals', many British Indian girls are subjects of arranged marriages, many sent back to live in India with men that hey have barely met before, if ever.....I accept that as part of your culture, shame that you yourself cant be more accepting of the one religion you despise so much. | |||
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"Here we go, islamaphobia is it ! Goodness sake. Address the issues. As regards second generation Muslims date and get married is complete and utter rubbish. Muslim girls cannot go dating no matter what generation they are. That's a FACT. " I've met Muslim swingers. That's a FACT! | |||
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"Here we go, islamaphobia is it ! Goodness sake. Address the issues. As regards second generation Muslims date and get married is complete and utter rubbish. Muslim girls cannot go dating no matter what generation they are. That's a FACT. I've met Muslim swingers. That's a FACT! " As have we......in fact on our return to the UK this week we will be out for dinner with a Turkish Muslim swinging couple we have known for a long time. | |||
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"You accept that ? Who said I'm Indian and who said I accept it ?!? You reading it how you want. It's NOT acceptable in anyway but until people like yourself stop finding excuses for it these women and the cultures will stay medieval at best. Well done to your one friend, your one swinger couple." It says on YOUR profile that you are British born Indians......ooops | |||
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"You accept that ? Who said I'm Indian and who said I accept it ?!? You reading it how you want. It's NOT acceptable in anyway but until people like yourself stop finding excuses for it these women and the cultures will stay medieval at best. Well done to your one friend, your one swinger couple. It says on YOUR profile that you are British born Indians......ooops" | |||
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"You accept that ? Who said I'm Indian and who said I accept it ?!? You reading it how you want. It's NOT acceptable in anyway but until people like yourself stop finding excuses for it these women and the cultures will stay medieval at best. Well done to your one friend, your one swinger couple. It says on YOUR profile that you are British born Indians......ooops "They totally forgot that they were......easy mistake to make I suppose | |||
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"What I am seeing in this thread is an inability to differentiate between religions (for instance and most significantly Islam), race (for instance Asian) and those who promote fear, such as ISIS. I know professionally and socially some muslims, even in this quiet Cornish backwater, and none want to convert me, or chastise me for my way of life. In fact I agree with some posts here that some actually adopt a western lifestyle (booze, Xmas etc) while still managing a Muslim belief. They adopt our laws, respect my wishes and beliefs, as I do theirs. What they will not do which is disappointing is speak out against those that promote fear by terrorism. They neither condone or condemn. I don't know why yet as discussing in too greater detail my upset our friendship. As I understand the Quran (sic) it is dependent on interpretation and we as westerners probably do not understand enough about it. We mock the Daily Mail as they spout it along the lines ISIS will state, and to me that is only promoting racism. But what do we do to counter it..... we need assistance to understand and that should come from the Islamic religious leaders. Until that happens, and it should start in schools, we will always see muslims as a threat ( I am being very generalistic here). Another thing..... open borders is now proven to be a bad idea. We must closely monitor who wants to enter U.K. Regardless of colour, creed or religion. " I know there are many Muslims who do condemn this violence. There are also many efforts within schools to open up discussions about all faiths and sets of belief .... It's actually on the curriculum. Unless it's a faith school per se, children and young people have the opportunity to hear from many religious leaders about their faiths. I think that is why the younger generation, here in London at least, do not see the differences we do. My son and a number of his friends are dating Muslim girls (they are in their twenties), who they went to school with. That is why .... Mixed faith families are common around here too. Not just one example, but many. | |||
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"What I am seeing in this thread is an inability to differentiate between religions (for instance and most significantly Islam), race (for instance Asian) and those who promote fear, such as ISIS. I know professionally and socially some muslims, even in this quiet Cornish backwater, and none want to convert me, or chastise me for my way of life. In fact I agree with some posts here that some actually adopt a western lifestyle (booze, Xmas etc) while still managing a Muslim belief. They adopt our laws, respect my wishes and beliefs, as I do theirs. What they will not do which is disappointing is speak out against those that promote fear by terrorism. They neither condone or condemn. I don't know why yet as discussing in too greater detail my upset our friendship. As I understand the Quran (sic) it is dependent on interpretation and we as westerners probably do not understand enough about it. We mock the Daily Mail as they spout it along the lines ISIS will state, and to me that is only promoting racism. But what do we do to counter it..... we need assistance to understand and that should come from the Islamic religious leaders. Until that happens, and it should start in schools, we will always see muslims as a threat ( I am being very generalistic here). Another thing..... open borders is now proven to be a bad idea. We must closely monitor who wants to enter U.K. Regardless of colour, creed or religion. I know there are many Muslims who do condemn this violence. There are also many efforts within schools to open up discussions about all faiths and sets of belief .... It's actually on the curriculum. Unless it's a faith school per se, children and young people have the opportunity to hear from many religious leaders about their faiths. I think that is why the younger generation, here in London at least, do not see the differences we do. My son and a number of his friends are dating Muslim girls (they are in their twenties), who they went to school with. That is why .... Mixed faith families are common around here too. Not just one example, but many. " I totally agree..... | |||
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"You accept that ? Who said I'm Indian and who said I accept it ?!" Nisha, you describe yourselves as UK born Indians. Are you? Or are you like me a first generation child British of an immigrant? I understand that you being Asian are part of an easily identified minority, whereas I being of Irish extraction my heritage is not obvious unless I chose to reveal it. But do you not find that when you visit India your relations introduce you as their British cousin or whatever, and that the Indian population in general have very little relevance to you and that they do not see you as Indian. I know that my Irish cousins see me and my brothers as their British relations, and by the way I went to boarding school in Ireland. In my opinion too many children and grandchildren of immigrants have been sold a fiction of their 'heritage' and 'routes' by their parents and this is a big part of the problem and plays into the hands of xenophobes when it comes to integration. | |||
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"You accept that ? Who said I'm Indian and who said I accept it ?! Nisha, you describe yourselves as UK born Indians. Are you? Or are you like me a first generation child British of an immigrant? I understand that you being Asian are part of an easily identified minority, whereas I being of Irish extraction my heritage is not obvious unless I chose to reveal it. But do you not find that when you visit India your relations introduce you as their British cousin or whatever, and that the Indian population in general have very little relevance to you and that they do not see you as Indian. I know that my Irish cousins see me and my brothers as their British relations, and by the way I went to boarding school in Ireland. In my opinion too many children and grandchildren of immigrants have been sold a fiction of their 'heritage' and 'routes' by their parents and this is a big part of the problem and plays into the hands of xenophobes when it comes to integration." Brilliant post.... | |||
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"I like being in a multiracial society but I fear "multicultural" is more and more "parallel living"."
It is so good to live in a city full of vibrant colours, the city centre is great during the day. It is such a shame how things change when we move out of the centre. Some of the demarcation lines are so stark, especially the one that runs between Jewish and Muslim areas of Cheetham Hill. Seeing uniformed private security guards outside Jewish schools and synagogues is so dispiriting. | |||
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"My wife's late father was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Palestine, he also lost close mates to bombings and shootings.....not once did he ever preach to Jane that all Jews were bad. So much so on his return you couldn't get the old sod out of Manze's pie and mash shop, the Manze family were Jewish and old Sid used to joke with them about poisoning his bloody pies to get him back for serving in Palestine. That's the old Londoners for you, they lived together and suffered together. " Well I disbelieve you. That would be news worthy, please link the articles of it. If it did occur within the state of Israel (there was never a state of Palestine) then it's was not terrorism, it was War. If you are meeting Muslims and they are having sex with your man, then they are not Muslims because it is forbidden for a Muslim women to be with even a Jew or Christian. (Al al Qitab - People of the Book). A Muslim man may, however, and he may have four wives. You are deluded about Islam and it doesn't make you look progressive or open minded, just deluded. | |||
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"I like being in a multiracial society but I fear "multicultural" is more and more "parallel living".
It is so good to live in a city full of vibrant colours, the city centre is great during the day. It is such a shame how things change when we move out of the centre. Some of the demarcation lines are so stark, especially the one that runs between Jewish and Muslim areas of Cheetham Hill. Seeing uniformed private security guards outside Jewish schools and synagogues is so dispiriting. "It's needed sadly. The Hadith and Qu'ran urge them to under Jews. Mohammed himself murdered the entire Jewish Banya Quraisa tribe. 800 men and boys slaughtered and their possessions taken, their women, slaves. | |||
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"My wife's late father was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Palestine, he also lost close mates to bombings and shootings.....not once did he ever preach to Jane that all Jews were bad. So much so on his return you couldn't get the old sod out of Manze's pie and mash shop, the Manze family were Jewish and old Sid used to joke with them about poisoning his bloody pies to get him back for serving in Palestine. That's the old Londoners for you, they lived together and suffered together. Well I disbelieve you. That would be news worthy, please link the articles of it. If it did occur within the state of Israel (there was never a state of Palestine) then it's was not terrorism, it was War. If you are meeting Muslims and they are having sex with your man, then they are not Muslims because it is forbidden for a Muslim women to be with even a Jew or Christian. (Al al Qitab - People of the Book). A Muslim man may, however, and he may have four wives. You are deluded about Islam and it doesn't make you look progressive or open minded, just deluded." Who do you think you are to have the audacity to say if people are or aren't a member of a religion? That's not your call to make. It's theirs and theirs alone. | |||
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"I enjoy a multicultural society. why? It creates divisions in society. The problem is there is not enough integration For a start I would be single if it wasn't for multiculturalism, so would a few of the rest of my family too. Multiculturalism doesn't create divisions, it creates links and connections. So your argument for multiculturalism is that you wouldn't have a girlfriend? Wow. And no offense but so many pf those Thai brides are just using the guy to get a visa." I don't have a girlfriend, I have a wife, she is a British citizen, and is not, nor has she ever been Thai. Comments like yours are racist and offensive. | |||
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"My wife's late father was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Palestine, he also lost close mates to bombings and shootings.....not once did he ever preach to Jane that all Jews were bad. So much so on his return you couldn't get the old sod out of Manze's pie and mash shop, the Manze family were Jewish and old Sid used to joke with them about poisoning his bloody pies to get him back for serving in Palestine. That's the old Londoners for you, they lived together and suffered together. Well I disbelieve you. That would be news worthy, please link the articles of it. If it did occur within the state of Israel (there was never a state of Palestine) then it's was not terrorism, it was War. If you are meeting Muslims and they are having sex with your man, then they are not Muslims because it is forbidden for a Muslim women to be with even a Jew or Christian. (Al al Qitab - People of the Book). A Muslim man may, however, and he may have four wives. You are deluded about Islam and it doesn't make you look progressive or open minded, just deluded. Who do you think you are to have the audacity to say if people are or aren't a member of a religion? That's not your call to make. It's theirs and theirs alone. " It's not me saying it, it's the Hadith and Qu'ran. Take it up with that. | |||
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"We are a multicultural society .Suck it up.We've been that way before all you who wish for monoculture were born.My children are mixed race .Its too late for youlittle englanders to to have any effect.Time to get over your racism." If you think anything is set in stone for eternity you are crazy. You seem to equate race with culture, hence you are part of the problem and as a Scot, I'm hardly a little Englander. England had one of the greatest cultures on Earth, evidenced by the eagerness for the whole world to go there. Not so now. My consolation is that people who want that society, have to live in it. That's karma enough. Enjoy the Guardian while it lasts. | |||
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"We are a multicultural society .Suck it up.We've been that way before all you who wish for monoculture were born.My children are mixed race .Its too late for youlittle englanders to to have any effect.Time to get over your racism." You confuse multiethnicism for multiculturalism. There are many of us who embrace multiethnicism, it extends the gene-pool, it makes humanity more diverse, it makes for stronger healthier people, it is good for us all. However multiculturalism is different, it can sometimes be a force for good but history shows us that for the most part it is not. For the most part it leads to the most destructive of religious wars that totally destroy civilisations and loss of knowledge. I am neither racist or a little englander, I find both offensive and regressive. I am however extremely concerned about the growth of Islamic religion and culture in the UK and the world in general. That is not even bigotry, it is enlightened self interest. | |||
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"I like being in a multiracial society but I fear "multicultural" is more and more "parallel living".
It is so good to live in a city full of vibrant colours, the city centre is great during the day. It is such a shame how things change when we move out of the centre. Some of the demarcation lines are so stark, especially the one that runs between Jewish and Muslim areas of Cheetham Hill. Seeing uniformed private security guards outside Jewish schools and synagogues is so dispiriting.
It's needed sadly. The Hadith and Qu'ran urge them to under Jews. Mohammed himself murdered the entire Jewish Banya Quraisa tribe. 800 men and boys slaughtered and their possessions taken, their women, slaves."You are living in the past, buddy, and not in any real world ... | |||
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"Jesus Christ. This thread will be closed soon. Lighten up, and try to discuss amicably. " This is what happens when some people are involved. It does get abusive and personal. Just as you asked people not to be, so some cannot help it as its part of their nature | |||
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"Jesus Christ. This thread will be closed soon. Lighten up, and try to discuss amicably. This is what happens when some people are involved. It does get abusive and personal. Just as you asked people not to be, so some cannot help it as its part of their nature" And I fear indicative of the problem nationally and globally. | |||
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"You are living in the past, buddy, and not in any real world ..." Glad you put me right, I must have been hallucinating when I was up by Shaarei Torah, The Tashbar School and The Habonim Nursery last week, obviously the big men in dayglow jackets that said 'security' across their backs were just figments of my imagination. | |||
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"You are living in the past, buddy, and not in any real world ... Glad you put me right, I must have been hallucinating when I was up by Shaarei Torah, The Tashbar School and The Habonim Nursery last week, obviously the big men in dayglow jackets that said 'security' across their backs were just figments of my imagination." I wasn't quoting you but someone who quoted you ... I have checked | |||
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"We are a multicultural society .Suck it up.We've been that way before all you who wish for monoculture were born.My children are mixed race .Its too late for youlittle englanders to to have any effect.Time to get over your racism. You confuse multiethnicism for multiculturalism. There are many of us who embrace multiethnicism, it extends the gene-pool, it makes humanity more diverse, it makes for stronger healthier people, it is good for us all. However multiculturalism is different, it can sometimes be a force for good but history shows us that for the most part it is not. For the most part it leads to the most destructive of religious wars that totally destroy civilisations and loss of knowledge. I am neither racist or a little englander, I find both offensive and regressive. I am however extremely concerned about the growth of Islamic religion and culture in the UK and the world in general. That is not even bigotry, it is enlightened self interest." not often I agree with you but you're mostly right there and the supporters of multiculturism on this thread are a little confused and don't seem to understand what it is | |||
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"We are a multicultural society .Suck it up.We've been that way before all you who wish for monoculture were born.My children are mixed race .Its too late for youlittle englanders to to have any effect.Time to get over your racism. You confuse multiethnicism for multiculturalism. There are many of us who embrace multiethnicism, it extends the gene-pool, it makes humanity more diverse, it makes for stronger healthier people, it is good for us all. However multiculturalism is different, it can sometimes be a force for good but history shows us that for the most part it is not. For the most part it leads to the most destructive of religious wars that totally destroy civilisations and loss of knowledge. I am neither racist or a little englander, I find both offensive and regressive. I am however extremely concerned about the growth of Islamic religion and culture in the UK and the world in general. That is not even bigotry, it is enlightened self interest. not often I agree with you but you're mostly right there and the supporters of multiculturism on this thread are a little confused and don't seem to understand what it is "I am not sure if anyone would consider themselves a 'supporter' of multiculturalism, more a realist as they see it and live it on a daily basis. Can't deny something that is right there | |||
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"Im sure that you monoculturalist also reject things like watching American TV and movies, only drive British cars, wouldn’t be caught dead drinking American cola, European beer, Russian vodka, or wines from around the world. As mentioned above, no curries or cups of tea either. Of course there is only one thing more terrible that visiting any other country, and that is the thought of moving to another country! I mean a true monoculturalist would rather shit on the Union Flag and punch the Queen in the face than ever move to a country like Spain or Germany or Israel, right? wrong. You don't seem to understand what multiculturism is "Multiculturalism is the existence of multiple cultural traditions within a single country, usually considered in terms of the culture associated with an aboriginal ethnic group and foreigner ethnic groups" " wikipedia. Very clever. Read it properly then and at least and understand it. Multiculturism does not work | |||
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"We are a multicultural society .Suck it up.We've been that way before all you who wish for monoculture were born.My children are mixed race .Its too late for youlittle englanders to to have any effect.Time to get over your racism. You confuse multiethnicism for multiculturalism. There are many of us who embrace multiethnicism, it extends the gene-pool, it makes humanity more diverse, it makes for stronger healthier people, it is good for us all. However multiculturalism is different, it can sometimes be a force for good but history shows us that for the most part it is not. For the most part it leads to the most destructive of religious wars that totally destroy civilisations and loss of knowledge. I am neither racist or a little englander, I find both offensive and regressive. I am however extremely concerned about the growth of Islamic religion and culture in the UK and the world in general. That is not even bigotry, it is enlightened self interest. not often I agree with you but you're mostly right there and the supporters of multiculturism on this thread are a little confused and don't seem to understand what it is
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" I am not sure if anyone would consider themselves a 'supporter' of multiculturalism, Perhaps you've not read Giles Fraser's idiotic article in the Guardian last week. It pretty much managed to unite the whole online Guardian readership in condemning his stupidity." Sorry, I don't read The Guardian | |||
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"We are a multicultural society .Suck it up.We've been that way before all you who wish for monoculture were born.My children are mixed race .Its too late for youlittle englanders to to have any effect.Time to get over your racism. You confuse multiethnicism for multiculturalism. There are many of us who embrace multiethnicism, it extends the gene-pool, it makes humanity more diverse, it makes for stronger healthier people, it is good for us all. However multiculturalism is different, it can sometimes be a force for good but history shows us that for the most part it is not. For the most part it leads to the most destructive of religious wars that totally destroy civilisations and loss of knowledge. I am neither racist or a little englander, I find both offensive and regressive. I am however extremely concerned about the growth of Islamic religion and culture in the UK and the world in general. That is not even bigotry, it is enlightened self interest. not often I agree with you but you're mostly right there and the supporters of multiculturism on this thread are a little confused and don't seem to understand what it is
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"Multiculturism works and is a good thing? Maybe I've imagined the no go areas around places like greater Manchester or the rise of home grown terrorism or the rise of the far right across Europe as a reaction to things like this. Multiculturism was a 'nice' idea 30 years ago but its failed
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. " That is interesting. Why do you think that is, shag? | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. That is interesting. Why do you think that is, shag?" Because you have to have control of who many goes in, you cant have more of them than the general population, a good ratio would be 70/30. | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. " How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. That is interesting. Why do you think that is, shag?Because you have to have control of who many goes in, you cant have more of them than the general population, a good ratio would be 70/30." I get this, but when people from other countries or faiths move in, how do you control the numbers when their families grow? I don't see it as a problem, especially when I see many different cultures and faiths and ethnicities in mixed marriages, a real melting pot. I lived in Los Angeles ten years and that was much less of a melting pot, even though it was referred to as one. | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? " They can do what they want. Not sure if you are following the news what is happening in sweden? You know the daily attacks on women and car burnings. | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? They can do what they want. Not sure if you are following the news what is happening in sweden? You know the daily attacks on women and car burnings." Why do you think it is happening? | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? They can do what they want. Not sure if you are following the news what is happening in sweden? You know the daily attacks on women and car burnings. Why do you think it is happening?" Because they have let too many in from the eu crisis you know and soon sharia law will be more if they cant control it. | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? They can do what they want. Not sure if you are following the news what is happening in sweden? You know the daily attacks on women and car burnings. Why do you think it is happening?Because they have let too many in from the eu crisis you know and soon sharia law will be more if they cant control it." Yes, but you live in London which has a Muslim mayor, so what is the difference here? I say that because I am sure you, like me, live alongside many Muslims .... And this just doesn't happen here. Do you think it is the rapid recent influx there rather than the harmonious living alongside we have here? | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? They can do what they want. Not sure if you are following the news what is happening in sweden? You know the daily attacks on women and car burnings. Why do you think it is happening?Because they have let too many in from the eu crisis you know and soon sharia law will be more if they cant control it. Yes, but you live in London which has a Muslim mayor, so what is the difference here? I say that because I am sure you, like me, live alongside many Muslims .... And this just doesn't happen here. Do you think it is the rapid recent influx there rather than the harmonious living alongside we have here?" That is right and I like the mayor too, the difference is the other ones are radicalised and yes as it have happened so quick as well, under 2 years I reckon it is. | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you." Well said | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? " Be allowed to bring up kids in safety would be a very good start. Be allowed to walk the streets without being in constant fear would be a very close second. Our Swedish neighbours in Spain have left the country because of it. And no, they are not pensioners, they are a young family with a 7 year old daughter. They decided that it was safer for the family to live in Spain and the husband commutes fortnightly to work and back. They are far from an isolated example. Most of our neighbours are Scandinavian (mostly Swedes and Norwegians) the local Swedish school that nearly closed a few years ago because of lack of pupils now has a waiting list, and the horror stories we regularly hear from our neighbours would make you shudder. Sweden is a bloody mess and Germany is catching up fast. In Britain you don't hear the half of it. | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said "Exactly
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? Be allowed to bring up kids in safety would be a very good start. Be allowed to walk the streets without being in constant fear would be a very close second. Our Swedish neighbours in Spain have left the country because of it. And no, they are not pensioners, they are a young family with a 7 year old daughter. They decided that it was safer for the family to live in Spain and the husband commutes fortnightly to work and back. They are far from an isolated example. Most of our neighbours are Scandinavian (mostly Swedes and Norwegians) the local Swedish school that nearly closed a few years ago because of lack of pupils now has a waiting list, and the horror stories we regularly hear from our neighbours would make you shudder. Sweden is a bloody mess and Germany is catching up fast. In Britain you don't hear the half of it. " | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
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Different words but they all go hand in hand."No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about. As I said before, someone who truly didn't believe in multiculturalism, wouldn't chose to go and live in another culture. | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? Be allowed to bring up kids in safety would be a very good start. Be allowed to walk the streets without being in constant fear would be a very close second. Our Swedish neighbours in Spain have left the country because of it. And no, they are not pensioners, they are a young family with a 7 year old daughter. They decided that it was safer for the family to live in Spain and the husband commutes fortnightly to work and back. They are far from an isolated example. Most of our neighbours are Scandinavian (mostly Swedes and Norwegians) the local Swedish school that nearly closed a few years ago because of lack of pupils now has a waiting list, and the horror stories we regularly hear from our neighbours would make you shudder. Sweden is a bloody mess and Germany is catching up fast. In Britain you don't hear the half of it. " OK, so let me get this straight.... a bunch of people in one country didn't like immigrants in their country, so moved to another country to be immigrants and surround themselves with other like-minded immigrants from their own country? Lets hope the locals in Spain don't get upset with you immigrants taking the places in their schools. -Matt | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
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The majority of the things mentioned on here are nothing to do with multiculturalism anyway. There are criticisms of Islam, or of immigration policy.
Different words but they all go hand in hand.
No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about.
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
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The majority of the things mentioned on here are nothing to do with multiculturalism anyway. There are criticisms of Islam, or of immigration policy.
Different words but they all go hand in hand.
No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about.
As I said before, someone who truly didn't believe in multiculturalism, wouldn't chose to go and live in another culture."I don't need to understand concepts and theory's but I will tell you what I do understand. I do understand that just in our small town in the last few weeks we've had two separate incidents of elderly ladies being attacked, one raped, one sexually assaulted. The culprits? Yep you guessed it. Another incident with a lady being kicked and punched while her bag was stolen. The culprits? Yep you guessed it. In Berlin last week, apart from the truck, six young men decided to set fire to a homeless man in the street. The culprits? Yep you guessed it. I also understand that the German Christmas markets now have to be patrolled by armed (and I mean heavily armed) police for fear of another attack. The NYE celebrations all over Europe were plagued by the type of security checks you would expect at an airport. Oh and Cologne went off peacefully this year. Why? because they had around 500 heavily armed police on the streets. Thanks very much Mama Merkel. I don't want to understand concepts thank you. I want myself and my family to be able to live the life we want in safety without feeling like we are living in a war zone. So stick your concepts were the sun doesn't shine. | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
Exactly
The majority of the things mentioned on here are nothing to do with multiculturalism anyway. There are criticisms of Islam, or of immigration policy.
Different words but they all go hand in hand.
No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about.
As I said before, someone who truly didn't believe in multiculturalism, wouldn't chose to go and live in another culture.
I don't need to understand concepts and theory's but I will tell you what I do understand.
I do understand that just in our small town in the last few weeks we've had two separate incidents of elderly ladies being attacked, one raped, one sexually assaulted. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
Another incident with a lady being kicked and punched while her bag was stolen. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
In Berlin last week, apart from the truck, six young men decided to set fire to a homeless man in the street. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
I also understand that the German Christmas markets now have to be patrolled by armed (and I mean heavily armed) police for fear of another attack.
The NYE celebrations all over Europe were plagued by the type of security checks you would expect at an airport.
Oh and Cologne went off peacefully this year. Why? because they had around 500 heavily armed police on the streets. Thanks very much Mama Merkel.
I don't want to understand concepts thank you.
I want myself and my family to be able to live the life we want in safety without feeling like we are living in a war zone.
So stick your concepts were the sun doesn't shine."You are talking about criminality and terrorism, neither of which are anything to do with multiculturalism! Do you really believe that there wouldn't be either without multiculturalism? | |||
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"I like it, but it dont work with certain religions, take sweden for example, where it have gone wrong. How has it gone wrong? What is a Swedish person not allowed to do, that they would be allowed to do were there no members of those 'certain religions' in the country? Be allowed to bring up kids in safety would be a very good start. Be allowed to walk the streets without being in constant fear would be a very close second. Our Swedish neighbours in Spain have left the country because of it. And no, they are not pensioners, they are a young family with a 7 year old daughter. They decided that it was safer for the family to live in Spain and the husband commutes fortnightly to work and back. They are far from an isolated example. Most of our neighbours are Scandinavian (mostly Swedes and Norwegians) the local Swedish school that nearly closed a few years ago because of lack of pupils now has a waiting list, and the horror stories we regularly hear from our neighbours would make you shudder. Sweden is a bloody mess and Germany is catching up fast. In Britain you don't hear the half of it. OK, so let me get this straight.... a bunch of people in one country didn't like immigrants in their country, so moved to another country to be immigrants and surround themselves with other like-minded immigrants from their own country? Lets hope the locals in Spain don't get upset with you immigrants taking the places in their schools. -Matt" There are no Swedish state schools in Spain, so no kids are taking up any places. It is a private school. So that analogy is bollox. Do I turn up in Spain and start telling them how they should change to suit me? No. Even though I intensly dislike bullfighting I would never have the bad manners to try and tell them to ban it. More importantly I've never even thought of driving a truck into a crowd of Spaniards. Although on second thoughts when they are walking 5 abreast at a snails pace blocking the street I suppose I could be tempted (that was a joke before any humourless twat jumps in with the "now you are advocating murdering Spaniards" comment) I choose to live where I live. I adapt to local culture and customs (I even enjoy quite a lot of it) and I pay my way. I do not ghettoise myself as you suggest. Also while every country in Europe has its cultural differences they also have a lot in common. The rule of law, emancipation, and secularism being at the top of the list. Something that quite a few others (one in particular) do not have. | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
Exactly
The majority of the things mentioned on here are nothing to do with multiculturalism anyway. There are criticisms of Islam, or of immigration policy.
Different words but they all go hand in hand.
No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about.
As I said before, someone who truly didn't believe in multiculturalism, wouldn't chose to go and live in another culture.
I don't need to understand concepts and theory's but I will tell you what I do understand.
I do understand that just in our small town in the last few weeks we've had two separate incidents of elderly ladies being attacked, one raped, one sexually assaulted. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
Another incident with a lady being kicked and punched while her bag was stolen. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
In Berlin last week, apart from the truck, six young men decided to set fire to a homeless man in the street. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
I also understand that the German Christmas markets now have to be patrolled by armed (and I mean heavily armed) police for fear of another attack.
The NYE celebrations all over Europe were plagued by the type of security checks you would expect at an airport.
Oh and Cologne went off peacefully this year. Why? because they had around 500 heavily armed police on the streets. Thanks very much Mama Merkel.
I don't want to understand concepts thank you.
I want myself and my family to be able to live the life we want in safety without feeling like we are living in a war zone.
So stick your concepts were the sun doesn't shine.
You are talking about criminality and terrorism, neither of which are anything to do with multiculturalism! Do you really believe that there wouldn't be either without multiculturalism? "None at all? Probably not. A damn site less? Certainly. I'll go with the health and safety mantra. "If it saves one life" | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
Exactly
The majority of the things mentioned on here are nothing to do with multiculturalism anyway. There are criticisms of Islam, or of immigration policy.
Different words but they all go hand in hand.
No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about.
As I said before, someone who truly didn't believe in multiculturalism, wouldn't chose to go and live in another culture.
I don't need to understand concepts and theory's but I will tell you what I do understand.
I do understand that just in our small town in the last few weeks we've had two separate incidents of elderly ladies being attacked, one raped, one sexually assaulted. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
Another incident with a lady being kicked and punched while her bag was stolen. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
In Berlin last week, apart from the truck, six young men decided to set fire to a homeless man in the street. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
I also understand that the German Christmas markets now have to be patrolled by armed (and I mean heavily armed) police for fear of another attack.
The NYE celebrations all over Europe were plagued by the type of security checks you would expect at an airport.
Oh and Cologne went off peacefully this year. Why? because they had around 500 heavily armed police on the streets. Thanks very much Mama Merkel.
I don't want to understand concepts thank you.
I want myself and my family to be able to live the life we want in safety without feeling like we are living in a war zone.
So stick your concepts were the sun doesn't shine.
You are talking about criminality and terrorism, neither of which are anything to do with multiculturalism! Do you really believe that there wouldn't be either without multiculturalism?
None at all? Probably not.
A damn site less? Certainly.
I'll go with the health and safety mantra.
"If it saves one life""So what is your suggestion? Everyone who wasn't born in a particular country should be forcibly repatriated? Yourself included? | |||
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" None at all? Probably not. A damn site less? Certainly. I'll go with the health and safety mantra. "If it saves one life"" Hear, hear. Mind you we should have acted sooner in other terrible cases, for instance, after Harold Shipman we should have deported all those white male GP's. | |||
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"As Germany has been brought up this is what Angela Merkel said in 2010 - 'multiculturism in Germany has utterly failed' and in 2015 - 'multiculturism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a life lie or a sham' now I usually disagree with her but is she wrong on this?" So you think hotlovefun should be forced to leave Germany and the Brits should be forced to leave Spain? | |||
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"Such a hate filled thread.What is your final solution to the problem ?.Some cultural cleansing.It never stops at a little cultural cleansing though does it, as the nazis taught us.I have every right to be fearful of what you people would do to my mixed race children after you sorted your multicultural problem.I Will fight you wherever i find you. Well said
Exactly
The majority of the things mentioned on here are nothing to do with multiculturalism anyway. There are criticisms of Islam, or of immigration policy.
Different words but they all go hand in hand.
No they are not. This is part of the problems, people say they are against something, but they really don't understand the concepts we are talking about.
As I said before, someone who truly didn't believe in multiculturalism, wouldn't chose to go and live in another culture.
I don't need to understand concepts and theory's but I will tell you what I do understand.
I do understand that just in our small town in the last few weeks we've had two separate incidents of elderly ladies being attacked, one raped, one sexually assaulted. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
Another incident with a lady being kicked and punched while her bag was stolen. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
In Berlin last week, apart from the truck, six young men decided to set fire to a homeless man in the street. The culprits? Yep you guessed it.
I also understand that the German Christmas markets now have to be patrolled by armed (and I mean heavily armed) police for fear of another attack.
The NYE celebrations all over Europe were plagued by the type of security checks you would expect at an airport.
Oh and Cologne went off peacefully this year. Why? because they had around 500 heavily armed police on the streets. Thanks very much Mama Merkel.
I don't want to understand concepts thank you.
I want myself and my family to be able to live the life we want in safety without feeling like we are living in a war zone.
So stick your concepts were the sun doesn't shine.
You are talking about criminality and terrorism, neither of which are anything to do with multiculturalism! Do you really believe that there wouldn't be either without multiculturalism?
None at all? Probably not.
A damn site less? Certainly.
I'll go with the health and safety mantra.
"If it saves one life"
So what is your suggestion? Everyone who wasn't born in a particular country should be forcibly repatriated? Yourself included? "Here we go. getting all personal again. I have never suggested that in any comment and I certainly don't need you to suggest suggestions for me. | |||
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"As Germany has been brought up this is what Angela Merkel said in 2010 - 'multiculturism in Germany has utterly failed' and in 2015 - 'multiculturism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a life lie or a sham' now I usually disagree with her but is she wrong on this? So you think hotlovefun should be forced to leave Germany and the Brits should be forced to leave Spain? " why? Does he/we live a parallel/seperate lives in Germany and Spain or do we assimilate? And who is forcing anyone to leave? | |||
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"As Germany has been brought up this is what Angela Merkel said in 2010 - 'multiculturism in Germany has utterly failed' and in 2015 - 'multiculturism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a life lie or a sham' now I usually disagree with her but is she wrong on this? So you think hotlovefun should be forced to leave Germany and the Brits should be forced to leave Spain? " I'm beginning to wonder if you really understand what multiculturalism actually means. | |||
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"As Germany has been brought up this is what Angela Merkel said in 2010 - 'multiculturism in Germany has utterly failed' and in 2015 - 'multiculturism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a life lie or a sham' now I usually disagree with her but is she wrong on this? So you think hotlovefun should be forced to leave Germany and the Brits should be forced to leave Spain? why? Does he/we live a parallel/seperate lives in Germany and Spain or do we assimilate? And who is forcing anyone to leave?" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3930174/Moment-heavily-armed-police-smash-door-Costa-del-Sol-flat-detain-two-Britons-arrested-suspicion-blowing-13-cashpoints.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/08/british-family-arrested-on-fraud-charges-in-spain-over-illegal-c/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/marbellas-new-breed-crooks-sees-7770742 well there are Brits committing crimes in Spain, Hotlovefun thinks that is a reason to get rid of whole communities if some members commit crimes, so surely it makes sense that Brits should also be forced to leave Spain, so they can keep their monoculture, right? | |||
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"As Germany has been brought up this is what Angela Merkel said in 2010 - 'multiculturism in Germany has utterly failed' and in 2015 - 'multiculturism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a life lie or a sham' now I usually disagree with her but is she wrong on this? So you think hotlovefun should be forced to leave Germany and the Brits should be forced to leave Spain? why? Does he/we live a parallel/seperate lives in Germany and Spain or do we assimilate? And who is forcing anyone to leave? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3930174/Moment-heavily-armed-police-smash-door-Costa-del-Sol-flat-detain-two-Britons-arrested-suspicion-blowing-13-cashpoints.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/08/british-family-arrested-on-fraud-charges-in-spain-over-illegal-c/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/marbellas-new-breed-crooks-sees-7770742 well there are Brits committing crimes in Spain, Hotlovefun thinks that is a reason to get rid of whole communities if some members commit crimes, so surely it makes sense that Brits should also be forced to leave Spain, so they can keep their monoculture, right? " Jeez, you've turned in to Mystic bloody Meg now. | |||
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"Multiculturism works and is a good thing? Maybe I've imagined the no go areas around places like greater Manchester or the rise of home grown terrorism or the rise of the far right across Europe as a reaction to things like this. Multiculturism was a 'nice' idea 30 years ago but its failed
l don't fear the far right as much as l fear lslam. The far-right haven't been murdering anyone lately."Killer of Jo Cox, Andres Breivik or However you spell his name from Norway? Do you read the news ? Or jump on bandwagons? I am a muslim..I'm glad I scare u..don't need an outfit for Halloween. | |||
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong?" If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK. | |||
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong? If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK." why must I? Has she said people should go back to where they came from? Why are you avoiding the question? | |||
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong? If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK. why must I? Has she said people should go back to where they came from? Why are you avoiding the question?" Well it doesn't make any sense, if you don't believe it works, then surely you think something should be done about it. If you don't want multiculturalism, you must want multiculturalism, which would be the removal of all non-native cultures. | |||
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"Many of you have missed the point though. As Shag said, it is working here but not on the continent. People here are 'integrated' and living peacefully within and alongside. I think he has a point because the process has been slower. I work with many new immigrant families and haven't met anyone who isn't grateful and doesn't want to be a part ....I feel like I am in a different country than some of you guys on here. " I take it you've not been to places like Oldham lately | |||
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong? If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK. why must I? Has she said people should go back to where they came from? Why are you avoiding the question? Well it doesn't make any sense, if you don't believe it works, then surely you think something should be done about it. If you don't want multiculturalism, you must want multiculturalism, which would be the removal of all non-native cultures. " no, the integration of cultures, multiculturism perpetuates the isolation of cultures | |||
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"Many of you have missed the point though. As Shag said, it is working here but not on the continent. People here are 'integrated' and living peacefully within and alongside. I think he has a point because the process has been slower. I work with many new immigrant families and haven't met anyone who isn't grateful and doesn't want to be a part ....I feel like I am in a different country than some of you guys on here. I take it you've not been to places like Oldham lately" Strangely enough I work all over the country with new immigrant families and their extended family network. Do you? | |||
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong? If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK. why must I? Has she said people should go back to where they came from? Why are you avoiding the question? Well it doesn't make any sense, if you don't believe it works, then surely you think something should be done about it. If you don't want multiculturalism, you must want multiculturalism, which would be the removal of all non-native cultures. no, the integration of cultures, multiculturism perpetuates the isolation of cultures" It is well know and often reported on, commented on and even has TV series based upon the extremely poor integration of British communities such as in Spain. | |||
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"Many of you have missed the point though. As Shag said, it is working here but not on the continent. People here are 'integrated' and living peacefully within and alongside. I think he has a point because the process has been slower. I work with many new immigrant families and haven't met anyone who isn't grateful and doesn't want to be a part ....I feel like I am in a different country than some of you guys on here. I take it you've not been to places like Oldham lately Strangely enough I work all over the country with new immigrant families and their extended family network. Do you? " so you'll know about the attempts by Asian youths to create no go areas for whites won't you? | |||
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"Come on the hotlovefun, if you believe “if it saves one life” then what is the ‘it’ you are referring to? what is your solution?" There is no solution. It can only be mitigated In Germany and Spain multiculturalism never really took hold. The Turks came to Germany but, while keeping some of their own culture, they adapted well to living in here and most 2nd and 3rd generation German Turks regard themselves as exactly that, with German first. The latest influx are totally different. Firstly the overwhelming majority are single young men. The vast majority have no intention to even try to learn German. They are unable to work because, contrary to the myth, they are not remotely capable of doing even the most basic jobs. The myth that they are all doctors, scientists, and rocket engineers is exactly that. A myth. Oh and while we are on about myths. "They are all fleeing war and terror". Absolute bollocks. Genuine Syrians are a small minority. By far the biggest group are from North Africa, you know those well known war zones such as Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco. Then there are the Afghans and Pakistani's. OK not the nicest places to live but last time I looked none of them were being barrel bombed. These people have to be stopped. We don't need them and they are not in immediate danger. Genuine refugees from genuine war zones should always be protected but also encouraged to return once their home country is deemed to be safe. Anyone, and I mean anyone convicted of an imprisonable offence should be kicked out. No ifs buts or maybe's OUT. As should any serial offender even if it is only petty crimes. And yes that would include Brits in Spain. Any whose identity and/or nationality cannot be verified (the Berlin truck driver for example) should be interned until it can be. Regular immigration should be controlled on the basis of "does the host country need them" Not "do they need the host country" That need can come in different forms. Sometimes it can be because of a skills shortage in some jobs. Sometimes it can be that the local economy needs the pension money that retirees bring with them. 
In other cases it could be the need of the individual through marriage Etc. Which I think both of us would qualify for.
But chucking the door open to anyone who wants to just sit on benefits is an absolute red line. Or importing cheap manual labour while we are paying benefit to able bodied locals . NO NEVER.
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong? If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK. why must I? Has she said people should go back to where they came from? Why are you avoiding the question? Well it doesn't make any sense, if you don't believe it works, then surely you think something should be done about it. If you don't want multiculturalism, you must want multiculturalism, which would be the removal of all non-native cultures. no, the integration of cultures, multiculturism perpetuates the isolation of cultures It is well know and often reported on, commented on and even has TV series based upon the extremely poor integration of British communities such as in Spain." and what problem does that cause there? Which is not my experience of it anyway | |||
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"CLCC is Merkel wrong? If You believe that she is correct, then you must believe that the Brits in Spain should go back to the UK. why must I? Has she said people should go back to where they came from? Why are you avoiding the question? Well it doesn't make any sense, if you don't believe it works, then surely you think something should be done about it. If you don't want multiculturalism, you must want multiculturalism, which would be the removal of all non-native cultures. no, the integration of cultures, multiculturism perpetuates the isolation of cultures It is well know and often reported on, commented on and even has TV series based upon the extremely poor integration of British communities such as in Spain." Which TV series was that? | |||
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"Many of you have missed the point though. As Shag said, it is working here but not on the continent. People here are 'integrated' and living peacefully within and alongside. I think he has a point because the process has been slower. I work with many new immigrant families and haven't met anyone who isn't grateful and doesn't want to be a part ....I feel like I am in a different country than some of you guys on here. I take it you've not been to places like Oldham lately Strangely enough I work all over the country with new immigrant families and their extended family network. Do you? so you'll know about the attempts by Asian youths to create no go areas for whites won't you?" I don't quite understand why you pick on and point out isolated examples which can be countered tit for tat by similar evidence 'on the other side'. It is just divisive all of the time. It's nasty and bitter and against any form of dialogue. But hey, good luck with that. I prefer the world I am living in to the world you have created around yourself. Going to partake in discussion now .... | |||
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"Many of you have missed the point though. As Shag said, it is working here but not on the continent. People here are 'integrated' and living peacefully within and alongside. I think he has a point because the process has been slower. I work with many new immigrant families and haven't met anyone who isn't grateful and doesn't want to be a part ....I feel like I am in a different country than some of you guys on here. I take it you've not been to places like Oldham lately Strangely enough I work all over the country with new immigrant families and their extended family network. Do you? so you'll know about the attempts by Asian youths to create no go areas for whites won't you?" Yet again we should be asking, why does it work in some areas and not others. We shouldn't be focusing on when it doesn't work, but on when it does, and replicating that, surely? Depends on what you want out of life and your attitude to fellow human beings. After all, you can't be responsible for the acts of others, but you can for your own | |||
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