Monarchy is nothing more than the legitimation of a successful brigand, while religion is a cult which has achieved tenure.
They are both instruments of power, control and abuse; over the centuries, these twins of evil have abused societies and individuals, to the detriment of mankind's progress. |
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"Monarchy is nothing more than the legitimation by a successful brigand, while religion is a cult which has achieved tenure.
They are both instruments of power, control and abuse; over the centuries, these twins of evil have abused societies and individuals, to the detriment of mankind's progress."
I would rather live in a country ruled by a benevolent dictator (be they a king, emperor or president) that live in a malevolent democracy. We are all subject to rules and therefore rulers. What matters is the motivation of our rulers not their heritage or how they derived their power. |
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"Would the World be better off if Thier were No religions ?
I would say a definite Yes !!!"
No. Many religions are based on pacifism and love for people.
We might, however, be better off without people. |
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"Would the World be better off if Thier were No religions ?
I would say a definite Yes !!!
No. Many religions are based on pacifism and love for people.
We might, however, be better off without people."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"If the world had no religion today then religion would quickly be innovated.
All religions are the same and have the same origin."
Very true and humans need to serve and worship,today it is pop stars and football teams or computers maybe but all humans need to follow we are related to sheep mostly and leaders and mentors come in many different forms.
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"Monarchy is nothing more than the legitimation by a successful brigand, while religion is a cult which has achieved tenure.
They are both instruments of power, control and abuse; over the centuries, these twins of evil have abused societies and individuals, to the detriment of mankind's progress.
A benevolent dictatorship is probably the most efficient form of governance and the example of Singapore testifies to that proposition.
It is a rarity, however.
I would rather live in a country ruled by a benevolent dictator (be they a king, emperor or president) that live in a malevolent democracy. We are all subject to rules and therefore rulers. What matters is the motivation of our rulers not their heritage or how they derived their power."
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"God is an evil bastard.You do believe in god then"
Not since the age of eight or nine.
God the imaginary concept enlisted by abusive, reactionary, corporate religion, if any clarification is required. |
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Religion is a positive force in the lives of billions of people. Some would discard it because of a few thousand, or even a few hundred thousand or more distort it for their own malicious ends. To me that would be a huge mistake. |
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"Religion is a positive force in the lives of billions of people. Some would discard it because of a few thousand, or even a few hundred thousand or more distort it for their own malicious ends. To me that would be a huge mistake."
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Why a mistake?.
Don't you think those people that it's a positive force for could be good without it?. Would all those people suddenly turn into wild uncaring fuckers if it were removed?.
I'm not sure what's worse!.
People who can only be good through a religion or people who take the bad bits of those religions and use them for their own ends!. |
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"I'm not sure what's worse!.
People who can only be good through a religion or people who take the bad bits of those religions and use them for their own ends!"
He didn't say that though, did he?
He said religion was a positive source for good for billions of people. Where examples of good and bad, and the consequences of such, are given in order that people can use their own, free will to make decisions on how to live their lives.
Rather than pointing out all of the historical bad (and good), purported to be carried out in the name of religion, we should consider the question in the times we now live.
What is better? Religion, with its failings and its accomplishments or the cult of celebrity, where billions blindly follow the examples set by people, many of us would cross the road to avoid in real life? |
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He didn't say that though, did he?
He said religion was a positive source for good for billions of people. "
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im sure many people use cocaine for happiness and enjoyment I wouldn't state sponsor it though as an encouraged route to enlightenment.
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There is nothing, zero, zilch that anybody of any religious faith does that couldn't be done and isn't done by a person without that faith.... However there are things done by the people of those faith's that wouldn't be done by non faith holders. |
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"Each to their own,personally I do believe in a Higher Power"
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So do i!.
But that's got nothing to do with religion, religion is a club, just like any other club they seek to expand their membership and members have rules!....I hate rules, if we've gotta have them, let's not have them based on theocratic beliefs |
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He didn't say that though, did he?
He said religion was a positive source for good for billions of people. ..
im sure many people use cocaine for happiness and enjoyment I wouldn't state sponsor it though as an encouraged route to enlightenment.
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There is nothing, zero, zilch that anybody of any religious faith does that couldn't be done and isn't done by a person without that faith.... However there are things done by the people of those faith's that wouldn't be done by non faith holders."
I don't see the correlation between drugs and religion?
I do see the difference between religion and faith however. Although, blind faith with no guidance wouldn't get anyone anywhere. I suppose that is the difference. |
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By *LCCCouple
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He didn't say that though, did he?
He said religion was a positive source for good for billions of people. ..
im sure many people use cocaine for happiness and enjoyment I wouldn't state sponsor it though as an encouraged route to enlightenment.
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There is nothing, zero, zilch that anybody of any religious faith does that couldn't be done and isn't done by a person without that faith.... However there are things done by the people of those faith's that wouldn't be done by non faith holders."
How about finding comfort in prayer? That's just one example of many. |
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He didn't say that though, did he?
He said religion was a positive source for good for billions of people. ..
im sure many people use cocaine for happiness and enjoyment I wouldn't state sponsor it though as an encouraged route to enlightenment.
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There is nothing, zero, zilch that anybody of any religious faith does that couldn't be done and isn't done by a person without that faith.... However there are things done by the people of those faith's that wouldn't be done by non faith holders.
How about finding comfort in prayer? That's just one example of many."
Religon is an emotional crutch. |
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"I wonder how many of you bashing religion decided to abstain from Christmas this year?
Bet plenty of jehovah witnesses did  "
There is no Biblical teaching thst Christmas should be celebrated at all, Jesus asked His followers to remember His life, teachings and manner of His death, not His birth. |
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By *obka3Couple
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"I wonder how many of you bashing religion decided to abstain from Christmas this year?
Bet plenty of jehovah witnesses did
There is no Biblical teaching thst Christmas should be celebrated at all, Jesus asked His followers to remember His life, teachings and manner of His death, not His birth."
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"I wonder how many of you bashing religion decided to abstain from Christmas this year?
Bet plenty of jehovah witnesses did
There is no Biblical teaching thst Christmas should be celebrated at all, Jesus asked His followers to remember His life, teachings and manner of His death, not His birth.
Here endeth the first lesson of the pedantic society "
I'm not being pedantic, I'm just never comfortable with ridicule others beliefs, even if in jest.
If I was being pedantic, I would have alluded to Christmas being an invention of the early Christians in order to assimilate with the Pagan peoples... |
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"I wonder how many of you bashing religion decided to abstain from Christmas this year?"
To abstain from Christmas all one has to do is not attend church. The rest is just a piss-up/food fest and 2 free days off. Only weak people need religion. |
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"Only weak people need religion.
How strong would any of us be without the written word and mass communication? "
Both are present in Sumerian history. No religion needed for intelligent humans. |
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By *obka3Couple
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"I wonder how many of you bashing religion decided to abstain from Christmas this year?
Bet plenty of jehovah witnesses did
There is no Biblical teaching thst Christmas should be celebrated at all, Jesus asked His followers to remember His life, teachings and manner of His death, not His birth.
Here endeth the first lesson of the pedantic society
I'm not being pedantic, I'm just never comfortable with ridicule others beliefs, even if in jest.
If I was being pedantic, I would have alluded to Christmas being an invention of the early Christians in order to assimilate with the Pagan peoples..."
Only being jestful,am officially christian but would more likely aline myself as a buddist |
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"I wonder how many of you bashing religion decided to abstain from Christmas this year?
Bet plenty of jehovah witnesses did
There is no Biblical teaching thst Christmas should be celebrated at all, Jesus asked His followers to remember His life, teachings and manner of His death, not His birth.
Here endeth the first lesson of the pedantic society
I'm not being pedantic, I'm just never comfortable with ridicule others beliefs, even if in jest.
If I was being pedantic, I would have alluded to Christmas being an invention of the early Christians in order to assimilate with the Pagan peoples...
Only being jestful,am officially christian but would more likely aline myself as a buddist"
I'd have classified myself as Christian, but unable to apply its teachings to my life. So, don't refer to myself as anything. I think all religions have their place and try never to criticise any. Although obviously I don't agree with everything that is done (or said to be done) in their name. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"Each to their own,personally I do believe in a Higher Power.
So do i!.
But that's got nothing to do with religion, religion is a club, just like any other club they seek to expand their membership and members have rules!....I hate rules, if we've gotta have them, let's not have them based on theocratic beliefs"
It just depends which higher power you choose,mine is the big man upstairs |
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"I'd have classified myself as Christian, but unable to apply its teachings to my life. So, don't refer to myself as anything. I think all religions have their place and try never to criticise any. Although obviously I don't agree with everything that is done (or said to be done) in their name. "
I would suggest that you like most in this country fail to appreciate how much Christianity shapes our lives from cradle to grave. I would further suggest that nearly everyone in this country is a christian regardless of whatever religion they practice. Our laws, our customs, even our attitudes to one another are shaped by Christianity.
It is my opinion that we would do well to keep this in mind as we look round the world at cultures that are not shaped by christianity, because I for one don't want to live in a non christian country. |
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"I'd have classified myself as Christian, but unable to apply its teachings to my life. So, don't refer to myself as anything. I think all religions have their place and try never to criticise any. Although obviously I don't agree with everything that is done (or said to be done) in their name.
I would suggest that you like most in this country fail to appreciate how much Christianity shapes our lives from cradle to grave. I would further suggest that nearly everyone in this country is a christian regardless of whatever religion they practice. Our laws, our customs, even our attitudes to one another are shaped by Christianity.
It is my opinion that we would do well to keep this in mind as we look round the world at cultures that are not shaped by christianity, because I for one don't want to live in a non christian country. "
Of course, except for atheists, agnostics, hindus, muslims, jews and all non-christians out there.
Silly post. |
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"Of course, except for atheists, agnostics, hindus, muslims, jews and all non-christians out there.
Silly post."
Really?
Our laws, our government, our whole society has been developed over centuries and during all that time Christianity has been the driving force. This is true for every European country and the USA.
We can look at other countries in other regions of the world where other religions have been the driving force in the formation of other societies. Maybe rather than just dismissing what I said you might take a little time to compare and contrast societies and think about how religions influence the very fibre of everyday existence.
I did not claim everyone was Christian (capital C denoting a religion) I said most were christian (small c denoting a way of thinking) regardless of the religion they practice. I understand that the subtlety may be lost on some.
Just like not all Conservatives (Tories) are conservative many are liberal, many Socialists are conservative and not all Liberal Democrats are liberal.  |
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The driving force in our culture for the betterment of mankind and society is science.You dont create better people or better societies by making them Christian you educate them  |
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"Religion is a positive force in the lives of billions of people."
Nah. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion." |
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"Of course, except for atheists, agnostics, hindus, muslims, jews and all non-christians out there.
Silly post.
Really?
Our laws, our government, our whole society has been developed over centuries and during all that time Christianity has been the driving force. This is true for every European country and the USA.
We can look at other countries in other regions of the world where other religions have been the driving force in the formation of other societies. Maybe rather than just dismissing what I said you might take a little time to compare and contrast societies and think about how religions influence the very fibre of everyday existence.
I did not claim everyone was Christian (capital C denoting a religion) I said most were christian (small c denoting a way of thinking) regardless of the religion they practice. I understand that the subtlety may be lost on some.
Just like not all Conservatives (Tories) are conservative many are liberal, many Socialists are conservative and not all Liberal Democrats are liberal. "
I don't mind whether you spell Christian with a capital letter or not.
Our country is multicultural. It is based in pagan, christian, muslim, hindu, atheist culture. |
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"I don't mind whether you spell Christian with a capital letter or not.
Our country is multicultural. It is based in pagan, christian, muslim, hindu, atheist culture."
OK...
Please name one law that can trace its origin to any religion other than Christianity and I will alter my opinion.
You mention Muslim culture, maybe you would like to comment on how your (and my) lifestyle is dealt with in Islamic law. It is very 'cool' to be 'multi cultural' right up to the point that you have to deal with what being 'multi cultural' really entails. Rather than being so dismissive of what Christianity has given us and being so willing to deny and disguard it you would do well to critically analyse what you are suggesting. |
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"I don't mind whether you spell Christian with a capital letter or not.
Our country is multicultural. It is based in pagan, christian, muslim, hindu, atheist culture.
OK...
Please name one law that can trace its origin to any religion other than Christianity and I will alter my opinion.
You mention Muslim culture, maybe you would like to comment on how your (and my) lifestyle is dealt with in Islamic law. It is very 'cool' to be 'multi cultural' right up to the point that you have to deal with what being 'multi cultural' really entails. Rather than being so dismissive of what Christianity has given us and being so willing to deny and disguard it you would do well to critically analyse what you are suggesting. "
What makes you think uk laws have origins in christanity.For a 1000 years the judiciary had been appointed by kings. |
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"I don't mind whether you spell Christian with a capital letter or not.
Our country is multicultural. It is based in pagan, christian, muslim, hindu, atheist culture.
OK...
Please name one law that can trace its origin to any religion other than Christianity and I will alter my opinion.
You mention Muslim culture, maybe you would like to comment on how your (and my) lifestyle is dealt with in Islamic law. It is very 'cool' to be 'multi cultural' right up to the point that you have to deal with what being 'multi cultural' really entails. Rather than being so dismissive of what Christianity has given us and being so willing to deny and disguard it you would do well to critically analyse what you are suggesting. "
Just one law? How about same sex marriage? |
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"What makes you think uk laws have origins in christanity.For a 1000 years the judiciary had been appointed by kings."
Would that be the kings that are enthroned at a coronation service by bishops who anoint them in the name of god?
"Just one law? How about same sex marriage?"
Would that be the law passed in in Parliament? The place where Christian prayers are read prior to the start of daily business and every? Has 2 houses, the Commons and Lords, the Lords being made up of 3 branches, The Lords Temporal, The Lords Judaical and the Lords Spiritual? The Lords Spiritual being the Archbishops of Canterbury and of York, the Bishops of London, Durham and Winchester as well as specific bishops of the Church of England? |
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"What makes you think uk laws have origins in christanity.For a 1000 years the judiciary had been appointed by kings.
Would that be the kings that are enthroned at a coronation service by bishops who anoint them in the name of god?
Just one law? How about same sex marriage?
Would that be the law passed in in Parliament? The place where Christian prayers are read prior to the start of daily business and every? Has 2 houses, the Commons and Lords, the Lords being made up of 3 branches, The Lords Temporal, The Lords Judaical and the Lords Spiritual? The Lords Spiritual being the Archbishops of Canterbury and of York, the Bishops of London, Durham and Winchester as well as specific bishops of the Church of England?"
Yes. It would be. |
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"Yes. It would be.
So are you trying to say a law passed by a Christian Parliament that sits in the name of a Christian Monarch is not a law that has its routes in Christianity? LoL!"
I am not sure why you think a same sex marriage law has its routes in Christianity.
Erm. Lol. |
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"Yes. It would be.
So are you trying to say a law passed by a Christian Parliament that sits in the name of a Christian Monarch is not a law that has its routes in Christianity? LoL!"
How about the bedroom tax? The changes to disablity allowance? |
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"What makes you think uk laws have origins in christanity.For a 1000 years the judiciary had been appointed by kings.
Would that be the kings that are enthroned at a coronation service by bishops who anoint them in the name of god?
Just one law? How about same sex marriage?
Would that be the law passed in in Parliament? The place where Christian prayers are read prior to the start of daily business and every? Has 2 houses, the Commons and Lords, the Lords being made up of 3 branches, The Lords Temporal, The Lords Judaical and the Lords Spiritual? The Lords Spiritual being the Archbishops of Canterbury and of York, the Bishops of London, Durham and Winchester as well as specific bishops of the Church of England?
Yes. It would be."
In 1178, Henry II first chose five members of his personal household – two clergy and three lay – “to hear all the complaints of the realm and to do right”.Looks to me the lay out weighed the clergy. |
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He didn't say that though, did he?
He said religion was a positive source for good for billions of people. ..
im sure many people use cocaine for happiness and enjoyment I wouldn't state sponsor it though as an encouraged route to enlightenment.
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There is nothing, zero, zilch that anybody of any religious faith does that couldn't be done and isn't done by a person without that faith.... However there are things done by the people of those faith's that wouldn't be done by non faith holders.
How about finding comfort in prayer? That's just one example of many."
It's a fake comfort.... "God will take of things he loves me and if I pray hard enough" ... has turned many people into sheep who do nothing to improve their situations.
That said, there is something to prayer which is a form of meditation.
I think people with food, water, shelter, health and freedom tend towards being very nice when there is no need for them to be. There is an inherent good in people. We are social animals.
On balance, religion has been a very destructive force. |
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I am a practicing Buddhist and Christmas is no different from any other time of the year
However, as a youth I did celebrate Saturnalia in a big way this time of year |
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"Would the World be better off if Thier were No religions ?
I would say a definite Yes !!!
No. Many religions are based on pacifism and love for people.
We might, however, be better off without people."
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"The only entity worth worshipping is mother earth, as we'd all be pretty fucked without her"
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"I'd have classified myself as Christian, but unable to apply its teachings to my life. So, don't refer to myself as anything. I think all religions have their place and try never to criticise any. Although obviously I don't agree with everything that is done (or said to be done) in their name.
I would suggest that you like most in this country fail to appreciate how much Christianity shapes our lives from cradle to grave. I would further suggest that nearly everyone in this country is a christian regardless of whatever religion they practice. Our laws, our customs, even our attitudes to one another are shaped by Christianity.
It is my opinion that we would do well to keep this in mind as we look round the world at cultures that are not shaped by christianity, because I for one don't want to live in a non christian country. "
Why would you come to a conclusion like that, from what I had written? I full well appreciate the impact Christianity has had on this country. Good and bad.
Likewise, other cultures and religious... |
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