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Do you remember christmas when it wasn't tarnished by the threat of terrorism ?
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Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
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"Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
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I seem to recall, in the not too distant past, that a certain part of the UK was constantly under the threat of terrorism. Not sure, think it might have been Northern Ireland*?
*Although the murderers there did have a Christmas ceasefire for 24 hours on the day itself.
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"Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
I seem to recall, in the not too distant past, that a certain part of the UK was constantly under the threat of terrorism. Not sure, think it might have been Northern Ireland*?
*Although the murderers there did have a Christmas ceasefire for 24 hours on the day itself.
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Not every Christmas  try living in Northern Ireland. At one point there seemed like someone was being killed bombed every other day.
Christmas time was a pain every shop you got searched going in. Police Army checks all over. Parts of Belfast no one would go to at night. But I can not remember it stopping anyone enjoying Christmas.
You kinda stayed in your own area.
Bars clubs had steel doors .
Hard to explain as can't say to much incase I get banned. But now days we have the Christmas markets loads of fantastic clubs bars. You still get the odd fool trying to spoil things. You can't let terrorist win who have to get on with life.its to sort.
If us Northern Ireland know one thing is how to enjoy the peace and move on with life.
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What has Christmas gotta do with anything.. or Stella?
Stella, like most of these terrorists are home brewed,they were born here and they were radicalised here too..
Social deprivation and no sense of belonging are the reason, because like most religious groups, the Muslims created their own communities and never integrated into British society (this is a human trait and is seen the world over.. Jewish areas in North London, Hindus in West London, Christian communes in Iran)..
Hate preached in mosques, flyers handed out stating Britain needs sharia law, and this was 20 years ago.
The problem is that haters will always hate and they have gone long enough to instill hatred into others while offering virgins as a prize for the glory of death.
Most of these kids do this because they have nothing else and it all looks really cool to go and fight and murder infidels and non believers.
Christmas is the obvious time of year, it's a huge, sort of, religious festival, so why wouldn't they target this time for maximum impact...
All we can do is be vigilant and be alert..
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"Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
I seem to recall, in the not too distant past, that a certain part of the UK was constantly under the threat of terrorism. Not sure, think it might have been Northern Ireland*?
*Although the murderers there did have a Christmas ceasefire for 24 hours on the day itself.
Not every Christmas try living in Northern Ireland. At one point there seemed like someone was being killed bombed every other day.
Christmas time was a pain every shop you got searched going in. Police Army checks all over. Parts of Belfast no one would go to at night. But I can not remember it stopping anyone enjoying Christmas.
You kinda stayed in your own area.
Bars clubs had steel doors .
Hard to explain as can't say to much incase I get banned. But now days we have the Christmas markets loads of fantastic clubs bars. You still get the odd fool trying to spoil things. You can't let terrorist win who have to get on with life.its to sort.
If us Northern Ireland know one thing is how to enjoy the peace and move on with life.
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I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas. |
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So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
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I think that the only good point in your baseless and inflamatory rethoric.
Instead of dealing with the consequences, we ought to seek, understand and deal with the causes of any problem given, and in that case Terrorism.
Ostracizing a whole community due to their religion/politic appartenance, their colour or social background... will automatically lead to more attack.
Once you start to ask the good questions, you can come up with good solutions.
Without going into the 'strategia della tensione', WHAT started those attacks ?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"i don't feel threatened at all. "
I feel exactly the same, terrorism has never stopped me doing anything. That's actually the point of terrorism, to make you feel terror. If you feel terrorised and change the way you live your life, they win. If we don't allow it to abandon our morals, and dont change the way we live our lives, they don't win. |
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Ive seen football fans terrorizing black people screaming go home!Chucking bananas.Ive been in fights with my black friend's against the same people.There is hate at xmas here an abroad.Tis the season to be a pissed up racist cunt and tell the blacks and pakis to go home.
Its also a time to dress your children up as 2 immigrants from the middle east looking for shelter from persecution. The irony is delightful. |
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It is funny, but I don't actually remember it happening (maybe because I was either in the forces or living in a little village), but some time between the late 70's and the Early 90's things changed from Christmas being a happy time of good will to a time where pubs charge admission to buy their beer and every pub needs bouncers to keep order.
I would suggest that these terror attacks are just the ultimate statement of violence engendered by the total commercialisation of holidays in general and Christmas in particular.
Just my opinion based on my observations over years. |
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Unfortunately , I think Thier is more terrorism at Xmas as it gets more attention in the same way Unions strike at Xmas !
And no I'm not calling Strikers Terroists before any one says that . |
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Ostracizing a whole community due to their religion/politic appartenance, their colour or social background... will automatically lead to more attack.
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Exactly. And this is what the likes of ISIS want, to sow hatred and fear between different cultures. |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas."
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day."
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture.....  |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day."
Not entirely sure that battle happened at Christmas, but if you want to go down that route- wanna talk about the Crusades?
But lets just end it there as the OP was referring to his irrasionally-new fears during Christmas (or presumably any other public festival involving crowds of people in public places). |
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By *LCCCouple
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day."
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really. |
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"Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
I seem to recall, in the not too distant past, that a certain part of the UK was constantly under the threat of terrorism. Not sure, think it might have been Northern Ireland*?
*Although the murderers there did have a Christmas ceasefire for 24 hours on the day itself.
Not every Christmas try living in Northern Ireland. At one point there seemed like someone was being killed bombed every other day.
Christmas time was a pain every shop you got searched going in. Police Army checks all over. Parts of Belfast no one would go to at night. But I can not remember it stopping anyone enjoying Christmas.
You kinda stayed in your own area.
Bars clubs had steel doors .
Hard to explain as can't say to much incase I get banned. But now days we have the Christmas markets loads of fantastic clubs bars. You still get the odd fool trying to spoil things. You can't let terrorist win who have to get on with life.its to sort.
If us Northern Ireland know one thing is how to enjoy the peace and move on with life.
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It must be such a relief to everyone now that things have moved on.
My maternal great-grandfather was southern Irish Catholic, from County Clare. My paternal great-grandfather was an Ulster Orangeman from West Belfast, which my grandfather told me wasn't really the place for Orangemen back in the day?
*Sorry for the late reply* |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture..... "
Patently false anti-Muslim / Islamophobic hyperbole. Show me where mass conversion was forced? I know of one place, the Iberian Peninsula, where Muslims and Jews were forced to convert upon pain of death or expelled.
As for the Banu Qurayza, they were tried and judged according to their law, i.e. Jewish religious law. If you would prefer I can provide links to confirm this. |
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Of all my Muslim relatives and people I consider friends, few could live under the Saudi style interpretation of Sharia. Most of the people I know already live according to the principles of Sharia and before people freak out, this means being a good person, a good neighbour and a loyal subject of HM.
Like all societies an communities, it is those at the extremes we need to be vigilant against - whilst we don't bang on about it, Mosques do try to identify potential terrorists, but the terrorist doesn't go around boasting about what they are going to do/have done. We're in the same boat (perhaps no the choicest of words  ) as everybody else.  |
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"To answer the OP: do you mean that period after the German air raids in the 1940's and before the IRA mainland bombing campaigns in the 1970's?"
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In answer to that no I don't remember a Christmas without terrorism, the first Christmas I remember without was 1982 after we'd moved to Manchester and by 1992 it had followed me over |
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By *oo hotCouple
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The terrorists are winning and proof of this is the nonsense that we read daily on news channels and social media. I discovered a Islam aged 16 because I lived (and worked) in close proximity with mainly Bangladesh Muslims on and off from the late 1970's until the early 1980's. Without exception these guys were the salt of the earth and I particularly remember one exchange ironically around this time of the year where the Muslim guys had been fishing for two days and had prepared a huge feast for all of us. The exchange went something like this:
Me (very young and naive) "I didn't think you celebrated Christmas?"
A guy: Mr xxxxxx. You have your God and we have our God but we are all children of our planet and we must celebrate the movement of the sun and the earth for the life it brings and the life it takes away every year."
The problem in our society is why, and how so many (mainly young) Muslim men have identified themselves with a perverse interpretation of a religion that is as violent, extreme and nonsensical as parts of the Christian Old Testament. As a human being, you clearly have a problem if you choose to identify with the literal writings of something that was (allegedly) written in an age that has no relevance to the modern world.
The answer to this global problem is not a one dimensional train of thought that all terrorists are a Muslims, therefore all Muslims are potential terrorists. No, the answer is to address why the radicalisation is happening. |
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"The answer to this global problem is not a one dimensional train of thought that all terrorists are a Muslims, therefore all Muslims are potential terrorists. No, the answer is to address why the radicalisation is happening."
I totally agree |
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I think the answer could be in that some races and religions are at a different state of Thier development .
You could possibly argue that the Isis in the Middle East are compatible to the Christian Spanish Inquisition .
Perhaps we should stop judging all races the same .
I don't mean this in a bad way .
I think what I'm trying to say is , is that we wouldn't expect the Americans to be as good at cricket or rugby as us as they haven't been doing it as long !
So maybe we should judge each religion or race by the stage they are at in development like we would a sporting team ? |
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By *ost SockMan
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"The terrorists are winning and proof of this is the nonsense that we read daily on news channels and social media. I discovered a Islam aged 16 because I lived (and worked) in close proximity with mainly Bangladesh Muslims on and off from the late 1970's until the early 1980's. Without exception these guys were the salt of the earth and I particularly remember one exchange ironically around this time of the year where the Muslim guys had been fishing for two days and had prepared a huge feast for all of us. The exchange went something like this:
Me (very young and naive) "I didn't think you celebrated Christmas?"
A guy: Mr xxxxxx. You have your God and we have our God but we are all children of our planet and we must celebrate the movement of the sun and the earth for the life it brings and the life it takes away every year."
The problem in our society is why, and how so many (mainly young) Muslim men have identified themselves with a perverse interpretation of a religion that is as violent, extreme and nonsensical as parts of the Christian Old Testament. As a human being, you clearly have a problem if you choose to identify with the literal writings of something that was (allegedly) written in an age that has no relevance to the modern world.
The answer to this global problem is not a one dimensional train of thought that all terrorists are a Muslims, therefore all Muslims are potential terrorists. No, the answer is to address why the radicalisation is happening."
Speaking as someone who (through work) encountered young men who went from being unfailingly polite, hard-working students to ISIS terrorists, I wholeheartedly agree with the above.
I don't condone the path they took by the way. Most have now felt the sharp end of US missiles now. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really."
What has this to do with xmas? |
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"I think the answer could be in that some races and religions are at a different state of Thier development .
You could possibly argue that the Isis in the Middle East are compatible to the Christian Spanish Inquisition .
Perhaps we should stop judging all races the same .
I don't mean this in a bad way .
I think what I'm trying to say is , is that we wouldn't expect the Americans to be as good at cricket or rugby as us as they haven't been doing it as long !
So maybe we should judge each religion or race by the stage they are at in development like we would a sporting team ? "
I very much agree with you about the development of religions. Where you mention the Inquisition, I would diverge slightly and point out that the Spain of the Inquisition was heavily influenced by the Arabs so it is very lightly that much of that violence came from that Arab world influence.
I would also add that in the time of the Inquisition it took weeks/months even years for people and ideas to move across the planet and if an individual went mad and started slaughtering those around them they would quickly be caught and overpowered. Today with modern weapons a slaughterer can kill hundreds in seconds and the disappear because modern transport is so fast, and that is the real difference between religious (or political) development today and in pre-industrial revolutionary days. |
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"I think the answer could be in that some races and religions are at a different state of Thier development .
You could possibly argue that the Isis in the Middle East are compatible to the Christian Spanish Inquisition .
Perhaps we should stop judging all races the same .
I don't mean this in a bad way .
I think what I'm trying to say is , is that we wouldn't expect the Americans to be as good at cricket or rugby as us as they haven't been doing it as long !
So maybe we should judge each religion or race by the stage they are at in development like we would a sporting team ? "
I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends. |
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"I remember the IRA bombing Harrods close to Christmas when I was a young kid in 1983."
The IRA did not bomb Harrods in 1983. The IRA ceased hostilities in 1970 at which time there was a split in the Republican movement and the Provisional IRA was formed.
The Provo's bombed Harrods, and that was not really an act of 'terrorism' (which is a violent act against 'innocent' third parties) but was an act of insurgency. To my knowledge, at no point did the Provo's (or any of the other NI militias) attack third parties, therefore it is very wrong link them to the likes of IS, Al Queada or any other international terrorist organisation.
Just my opinion, for what it is worth. |
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"I remember the IRA bombing Harrods close to Christmas when I was a young kid in 1983.
The IRA did not bomb Harrods in 1983. The IRA ceased hostilities in 1970 at which time there was a split in the Republican movement and the Provisional IRA was formed.
The Provo's bombed Harrods, and that was not really an act of 'terrorism' (which is a violent act against 'innocent' third parties) but was an act of insurgency. To my knowledge, at no point did the Provo's (or any of the other NI militias) attack third parties, therefore it is very wrong link them to the likes of IS, Al Queada or any other international terrorist organisation.
Just my opinion, for what it is worth."
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter?
Still murdering bastards though. |
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By *ost SockMan
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"I remember the IRA bombing Harrods close to Christmas when I was a young kid in 1983.
The IRA did not bomb Harrods in 1983. The IRA ceased hostilities in 1970 at which time there was a split in the Republican movement and the Provisional IRA was formed.
The Provo's bombed Harrods, and that was not really an act of 'terrorism' (which is a violent act against 'innocent' third parties) but was an act of insurgency. To my knowledge, at no point did the Provo's (or any of the other NI militias) attack third parties, therefore it is very wrong link them to the likes of IS, Al Queada or any other international terrorist organisation.
Just my opinion, for what it is worth."
Erm, I take a bit more of a nuanced view of the struggles in NI than many, but you've lost me on this one.
Shoppers died in the Harrods blast. They may not have intended that civilians die in mainland attacks but they did many times,including children. Definitely violent acts against innocent third parties. I guesss it's an argument over intention.
I know it was the Provisional IRA. Definitely the correct term, but the term "IRA" tended to be used interchangeably over the years. I didn't think it was that vital in a thread like this |
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"I remember the IRA bombing Harrods close to Christmas when I was a young kid in 1983.
The IRA did not bomb Harrods in 1983. The IRA ceased hostilities in 1970 at which time there was a split in the Republican movement and the Provisional IRA was formed.
The Provo's bombed Harrods, and that was not really an act of 'terrorism' (which is a violent act against 'innocent' third parties) but was an act of insurgency. To my knowledge, at no point did the Provo's (or any of the other NI militias) attack third parties, therefore it is very wrong link them to the likes of IS, Al Queada or any other international terrorist organisation.
Just my opinion, for what it is worth."
So 12 year old Tim Parry and three year old Johnathan Ball (among many others) were legitimate targets?  |
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"I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends. "
Tolerance and respect?
Really?
Judaism: Gods chosen people. That sounds elitist to me. When did elitism engender tolerance and respect?
Christianity, Exodus 20:2-6:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Does that sound in any way tolerant? do you think that would engender respect for other religions? Or do you think that maybe Abramic Religion Mk 2, is even less tolerant than Mk 1? Can you guess where Abramic Religion Mk 3 may be heading?
Islam: A religion so intolerant that one half of the religion sees the other half as apostates, orders the faithful to kill all apostates and to convert, enslave or kill all non believers.
Now I would say there is nothing but intolerance there. Would you possibly agree?
I have only mentioned the 3 Abramic proselytising religion, but I am willing to bet that all religions have similar histories. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"Indeed, look at the Buddhist monks in Myanmar who are calling for the slaughter of Rohingya Muslims."
They do more than just call for it
I think religion, on balance, provides a benefit for people and for society, however there are always those that will try to distort it for their own malicious ends. That is no reason to tar every follower of that faith with the same brush though. Also lets not forget that atheists also do bad things. |
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"I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends.
Tolerance and respect?
Really?
Judaism: Gods chosen people. That sounds elitist to me. When did elitism engender tolerance and respect?
Christianity, Exodus 20:2-6:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Does that sound in any way tolerant? do you think that would engender respect for other religions? Or do you think that maybe Abramic Religion Mk 2, is even less tolerant than Mk 1? Can you guess where Abramic Religion Mk 3 may be heading?
Islam: A religion so intolerant that one half of the religion sees the other half as apostates, orders the faithful to kill all apostates and to convert, enslave or kill all non believers.
Now I would say there is nothing but intolerance there. Would you possibly agree?
I have only mentioned the 3 Abramic proselytising religion, but I am willing to bet that all religions have similar histories."
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Very well put will, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Let's not also forget the third one learnt the lesson of the first two, that neat little chapter at the end of the Qur'an.... This is the final word of God, there can be no other religions after this!.
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Although I've always said not all religions are created equally.
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"Erm, I take a bit more of a nuanced view of the struggles in NI than many, but you've lost me on this one.
Shoppers died in the Harrods blast. They may not have intended that civilians die in mainland attacks but they did many times,including children. Definitely violent acts against innocent third parties. I guesss it's an argument over intention."
Firstly, before I say any more, remember I have a NIGSM, I did 3, 4 month Op Banner tours. So I am not defending the Provo's (or any other militia) in any way.
But the simple fact is the Loyalists, their supporters and the British establishment subjugated the RC population in NI. This led to the Bernadette Devlin and the civil rights marches which were targeted by 'Loyalists' who went on to target POOR RC communities.
This in turn led to the deployment of troops to restore order.
This led to the Republican militia targeting troops and troops shooting some republicans. This in turn changed Republican perception of troops from being seen as protectors to being part of the enemy. This in turn caused some 'Loyalists' to believe the troops were on the Loyalist side and the Loyalists renewed their attacks on Republicans. This in turn led to troops shooting loyalists and troops being seen as traitors by loyalists.
As far as the British Government was concerned if the population of NI wanted to kill themselves so be it. They would use the military to keep a lid on the situation and if troops got killed so what, after all that is what they signed up and were paid for.
Eventually the Republicans realised that the only way to force the British Government deal with the issues that Britain had created in Ireland over centuries was to expand the conflict to the British mainland. Unfortunately they failed to understand that attacking troops and ordinary people would have no effect on the Government. It took bombing the Tory party conference to force the Tory Government of the day to talk. Even then the Government stalled as soon as the PM changed and it took a further mortar attack on Downing Street and the Warrington attacks to force our Government to its scenes.
That is the history in a nutshell. That is an insurgency. The targets were all parties to the conflict.
Terrorism is different, terrorists attack third parties. If the Republicans had blown up Russian, Dutch, French (or any other country) targets on the grounds that they do business with Briton then that would have been terrorism. They didn't therefore: No matter how we label them, they are not terrorists and we undermine our ability to differentiate between threats by doing so.
"So 12 year old Tim Parry and three year old Johnathan Ball (among many others) were legitimate targets? "
No matter the conflict no target is legitimate. However some targets are justifiable.
Personally, I do not think that the Warrington bombing was anything other than a act of frustration after the bombers previous failed bombing in the town. Further, I do not believe that the killing of 2 children in any way led to the Good Friday Accord (other than providing a good cover story).
It is my belief that it was the failed bombing of the Warrington gas works and the realisation that had it succeeded much of the UK's industry would have been paralysed and that there were thousands of similar targets across the UK that if successfully attacked would bankrupt the country that forced the government to find a solution to NI.
I know many will not like what I have said here. Many will find it repugnant and think I am sick. I am not, I'm just telling it as it really is.
Sorry to be the barer of bad news, but NONE of us matter, individually we are nothing, we are all expendable, even those in power are individually expendable. It is only when the nation or one of its institutions is targeted that things change. |
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" Also lets not forget that atheists also do bad things."
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That's a terrible analogy!.
Other people do bad things so this bad thing is OK.
On that basis reinstate the KKK, the Spanish inquisition, the BNP, the IRA, Nazism....
I'm pretty sure you'd fine one nice person in all those "ideologies" hell why tarnish the good one with the ideology of the idea.
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Don't kill
Don't be a cunt
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"No I dont worry about it, most religions are jelous of christianity and our celebration of christmas 
I have never heard anything so preposterous. "
Mostly islam are it. |
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"I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends.
Tolerance and respect?
Really?
Judaism: Gods chosen people. That sounds elitist to me. When did elitism engender tolerance and respect?
Christianity, Exodus 20:2-6:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Does that sound in any way tolerant? do you think that would engender respect for other religions? Or do you think that maybe Abramic Religion Mk 2, is even less tolerant than Mk 1? Can you guess where Abramic Religion Mk 3 may be heading?
Islam: A religion so intolerant that one half of the religion sees the other half as apostates, orders the faithful to kill all apostates and to convert, enslave or kill all non believers.
Now I would say there is nothing but intolerance there. Would you possibly agree?
I have only mentioned the 3 Abramic proselytising religion, but I am willing to bet that all religions have similar histories."
I could quite Bible verse back, but that isn't the main point I was making. Each religion teaches tolerance and respect. Respect for others, but more importantly, for oneself. |
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"Indeed, look at the Buddhist monks in Myanmar who are calling for the slaughter of Rohingya Muslims.
They do more than just call for it
I think religion, on balance, provides a benefit for people and for society, however there are always those that will try to distort it for their own malicious ends. That is no reason to tar every follower of that faith with the same brush though. Also lets not forget that atheists also do bad things."
Thank you for that. That was what I was getting at earlier. As I am sure others would be aware.
Its all this finger pointing, tit for tat and one upmanship that in many cases leads to the formation of extremist views. |
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"No I dont worry about it, most religions are jelous of christianity and our celebration of christmas
I have never heard anything so preposterous. Mostly islam are it."
At what? Please qualify your statement. All of the Muslim people that I know celebrate Christmas? You are not making sense. Again. |
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"No I dont worry about it, most religions are jelous of christianity and our celebration of christmas
I have never heard anything so preposterous. Mostly islam are it.
At what? Please qualify your statement. All of the Muslim people that I know celebrate Christmas? You are not making sense. Again. "
I take it those are british ones? I meant more with the isis who have war against christmas. |
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" war against christmas."
Sorry, again not making sense. I think you might mean the persecution and murder by extremist forces of Christians, by those identifying themselves as 'Islamic State'?
Personally, I think they are nutters (for want of a better word), who hide behind a religion when seeking to spread hatred. So I wouldn't class them as 'mainly Muslim', like I wouldn't consider fundamental Christians murdering abortion clinic staff as being 'mainly Christian.' |
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I'm adding this because I think it is relevant and is always something that inspires me:
My best friend* was born to a Jewish mother and Catholic father. He married a Muslim and his brother married a Sikh. They celebrate/commemorate each major religious holiday, together as an extended family. Their get togethers, which I have been fortunate to be a part of, are renowned for a spirit of tolerance and compassion (and the food is great and the drink flows, for those who partake). Surely, that's what life should be about? Living together in acceptance and tolerance.
*Incidentally, the only friend who knows about this side of my life. The most open, inclusive person I know. |
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Now we think you have hit the nail on the head there..
Is anyone doing anything about it..lol..
Well why not lead by example and sign up on the dotted line and take the queens Shilling
We did and are proud to have Served and then stood on the front line afterward in a different uniform and stood on the front line here too.
And i am proud to say "come on you Blues"...(we are not skin heads and prefer Red wine)
Did hear though they are flogging Arsenal and Spurs shirts a lot cheaper than our Sacred Blue ones.
"Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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" Also lets not forget that atheists also do bad things..
That's a terrible analogy!.
Other people do bad things so this bad thing is OK.
On that basis reinstate the KKK, the Spanish inquisition, the BNP, the IRA, Nazism....
I'm pretty sure you'd fine one nice person in all those "ideologies" hell why tarnish the good one with the ideology of the idea.
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Don't kill
Don't be a cunt
No buts.
There Qur'an rewritten "
What are you talking about?  i never once said anything along the lines of what you are suggesting. I am not justifying any terrorist attacks by any religion or none. I'm saying that they are all bad. |
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By *LCCCouple
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I think many people forget that the biggest victims, by far, of Islamic terrorism, are Muslims. Its not just terrorism either, look at the Afghan civil war, Muslim on Muslim, Iran/Iraq, Muslim on Muslim, Iraq/Kuwait, Muslim on Muslim, Syria, Muslim on Muslim, Saudi Arabia/Yemen Muslim on Muslim |
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"I think many people forget that the biggest victims, by far, of Islamic terrorism, are Muslims. Its not just terrorism either, look at the Afghan civil war, Muslim on Muslim, Iran/Iraq, Muslim on Muslim, Iraq/Kuwait, Muslim on Muslim, Syria, Muslim on Muslim, Saudi Arabia/Yemen Muslim on Muslim "
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Not entirely sure that battle happened at Christmas, but if you want to go down that route- wanna talk about the Crusades?
But lets just end it there as the OP was referring to his irrasionally-new fears during Christmas (or presumably any other public festival involving crowds of people in public places)."
You can talk about Crusades all you like, in fact it strengthens my argument. Did l forget the lslamic Caliphate in Spain, the attacks on Central and Southern Europe? |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really."
lt wasn't the ''Jews'' (though because your liberal bigotry, you'd assume that) lt was lsraelites and unlike the Banu Qurazya massacre, it wasn't historical. |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture.....
Patently false anti-Muslim / Islamophobic hyperbole. Show me where mass conversion was forced? I know of one place, the Iberian Peninsula, where Muslims and Jews were forced to convert upon pain of death or expelled.
As for the Banu Qurayza, they were tried and judged according to their law, i.e. Jewish religious law. If you would prefer I can provide links to confirm this."
There you go folks. ''Tried by their law'' Using prehistoric remnants of iron age lsraelite law to slit the throats of children.
Are you asking for instances of forced conversion in recent times or in the past? The Ottomans did it in the Balkans. They also butchered 1.5 million Armenian Christians. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture.....
Patently false anti-Muslim / Islamophobic hyperbole. Show me where mass conversion was forced? I know of one place, the Iberian Peninsula, where Muslims and Jews were forced to convert upon pain of death or expelled.
As for the Banu Qurayza, they were tried and judged according to their law, i.e. Jewish religious law. If you would prefer I can provide links to confirm this.
There you go folks. ''Tried by their law'' Using prehistoric remnants of iron age lsraelite law to slit the throats of children.
Are you asking for instances of forced conversion in recent times or in the past? The Ottomans did it in the Balkans. They also butchered 1.5 million Armenian Christians. "
And of course, Christians have never butchered anybody... |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture.....
Patently false anti-Muslim / Islamophobic hyperbole. Show me where mass conversion was forced? I know of one place, the Iberian Peninsula, where Muslims and Jews were forced to convert upon pain of death or expelled.
As for the Banu Qurayza, they were tried and judged according to their law, i.e. Jewish religious law. If you would prefer I can provide links to confirm this.
There you go folks. ''Tried by their law'' Using prehistoric remnants of iron age lsraelite law to slit the throats of children.
Are you asking for instances of forced conversion in recent times or in the past? The Ottomans did it in the Balkans. They also butchered 1.5 million Armenian Christians.
And of course, Christians have never butchered anybody... "
The NAZIs and Communists were secular. There is nothing in the NT like the violence in the Quran. I suggest you read it. |
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture.....
Patently false anti-Muslim / Islamophobic hyperbole. Show me where mass conversion was forced? I know of one place, the Iberian Peninsula, where Muslims and Jews were forced to convert upon pain of death or expelled.
As for the Banu Qurayza, they were tried and judged according to their law, i.e. Jewish religious law. If you would prefer I can provide links to confirm this.
There you go folks. ''Tried by their law'' Using prehistoric remnants of iron age lsraelite law to slit the throats of children.
Are you asking for instances of forced conversion in recent times or in the past? The Ottomans did it in the Balkans. They also butchered 1.5 million Armenian Christians.
And of course, Christians have never butchered anybody...
The NAZIs and Communists were secular. There is nothing in the NT like the violence in the Quran. I suggest you read it. "
Catholicism was the state religion of Germany. Also. History did not only take place in the last 100 years.... |
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By *LCCCouple
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really.
lt wasn't the ''Jews'' (though because your liberal bigotry, you'd assume that) lt was lsraelites and unlike the Banu Qurazya massacre, it wasn't historical."
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Yeah, the christians just gave them a hug and converted then, wheras Islam forced people to convert by torture.....
Patently false anti-Muslim / Islamophobic hyperbole. Show me where mass conversion was forced? I know of one place, the Iberian Peninsula, where Muslims and Jews were forced to convert upon pain of death or expelled.
As for the Banu Qurayza, they were tried and judged according to their law, i.e. Jewish religious law. If you would prefer I can provide links to confirm this.
There you go folks. ''Tried by their law'' Using prehistoric remnants of iron age lsraelite law to slit the throats of children.
Are you asking for instances of forced conversion in recent times or in the past? The Ottomans did it in the Balkans. They also butchered 1.5 million Armenian Christians.
And of course, Christians have never butchered anybody...
The NAZIs and Communists were secular. There is nothing in the NT like the violence in the Quran. I suggest you read it.
Catholicism was the state religion of Germany. Also. History did not only take place in the last 100 years...."
Disengenous. The government was secular and Hitler even praised lslam and disliked Christianity.
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really.
lt wasn't the ''Jews'' (though because your liberal bigotry, you'd assume that) lt was lsraelites and unlike the Banu Qurazya massacre, it wasn't historical.
What religion were the Israelites at the time, and what religion are their descendents today? "
They believed in the one abd infinite God of Israel known as Yahweh. Their direct descendants today are Samaritans, Aramaean Christians and Jews that still believe that. Jews are merely Israelites from Judea.
They all believe in monotheistic religions today. The Samaritens have Samaritanism which rejects the Talmud, newer prophets and only uses the Torah.
Islam is just a copy of 7th century Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity with some Arab pagan stuff like the Kabba. It's so obvious. There is stuff in the Quran that was rejected for being too late and too different from earlier Christian sources to make it into the NT. Like Jesus speaking in the cradle and Mary's fanny burning off one of the midwife's hands....No seriously
Very interesting stuff to me.
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"Do other cultures have to worry about there religious holidays being ruined by a homegrown skinhead Chelsea fan being radicalised by the other blokes in the pub to go out and commit mass murder ??????
Answers no.....as he might hate or not be educated enough to understand others but with all that and a skin full of stella Artois he will have a tolerance that's instilled in him from the society he has grown up in,he won't do anything
So what does that make this mob who go out doing what there doing ?? And more importantly why isn't anything done about it ???
Do we start handed out Chelsea shirts and making it compulsory to drink stella Artois if you come to Britain ???
Someone needs to start asking questions and getting to the bottom of why people think it's ok to fuck about with christmas,
One day Chelsea might have a game postponed that coincides with a stella Artois blockade in Calais over our Brexit from Europe and tolerance could all but be lost !!!
Sort it out !!!
I seem to recall, in the not too distant past, that a certain part of the UK was constantly under the threat of terrorism. Not sure, think it might have been Northern Ireland*?
*Although the murderers there did have a Christmas ceasefire for 24 hours on the day itself.
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"I think many people forget that the biggest victims, by far, of Islamic terrorism, are Muslims. Its not just terrorism either, look at the Afghan civil war, Muslim on Muslim, Iran/Iraq, Muslim on Muslim, Iraq/Kuwait, Muslim on Muslim, Syria, Muslim on Muslim, Saudi Arabia/Yemen Muslim on Muslim "
The busier they are over there in the Middle East the better as far as I'm concerned, keeps them out of the UK ???? |
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"I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends.
Tolerance and respect?
Really?
Judaism: Gods chosen people. That sounds elitist to me. When did elitism engender tolerance and respect?
Christianity, Exodus 20:2-6:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Does that sound in any way tolerant? do you think that would engender respect for other religions? Or do you think that maybe Abramic Religion Mk 2, is even less tolerant than Mk 1? Can you guess where Abramic Religion Mk 3 may be heading?
Islam: A religion so intolerant that one half of the religion sees the other half as apostates, orders the faithful to kill all apostates and to convert, enslave or kill all non believers.
Now I would say there is nothing but intolerance there. Would you possibly agree?
I have only mentioned the 3 Abramic proselytising religion, but I am willing to bet that all religions have similar histories..
Very well put will, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Let's not also forget the third one learnt the lesson of the first two, that neat little chapter at the end of the Qur'an.... This is the final word of God, there can be no other religions after this!.
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Although I've always said not all religions are created equally.
I'm still waiting for somebody to find me the Amish or jainists terrorists!!!!"
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"The terrorists are winning and proof of this is the nonsense that we read daily on news channels and social media. I discovered a Islam aged 16 because I lived (and worked) in close proximity with mainly Bangladesh Muslims on and off from the late 1970's until the early 1980's. Without exception these guys were the salt of the earth and I particularly remember one exchange ironically around this time of the year where the Muslim guys had been fishing for two days and had prepared a huge feast for all of us. The exchange went something like this:
Me (very young and naive) "I didn't think you celebrated Christmas?"
A guy: Mr xxxxxx. You have your God and we have our God but we are all children of our planet and we must celebrate the movement of the sun and the earth for the life it brings and the life it takes away every year."
The problem in our society is why, and how so many (mainly young) Muslim men have identified themselves with a perverse interpretation of a religion that is as violent, extreme and nonsensical as parts of the Christian Old Testament. As a human being, you clearly have a problem if you choose to identify with the literal writings of something that was (allegedly) written in an age that has no relevance to the modern world.
The answer to this global problem is not a one dimensional train of thought that all terrorists are a Muslims, therefore all Muslims are potential terrorists. No, the answer is to address why the radicalisation is happening.
Speaking as someone who (through work) encountered young men who went from being unfailingly polite, hard-working students to ISIS terrorists, I wholeheartedly agree with the above.
I don't condone the path they took by the way. Most have now felt the sharp end of US missiles now. "
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really.
lt wasn't the ''Jews'' (though because your liberal bigotry, you'd assume that) lt was lsraelites and unlike the Banu Qurazya massacre, it wasn't historical.
What religion were the Israelites at the time, and what religion are their descendents today?
They believed in the one abd infinite God of Israel known as Yahweh. Their direct descendants today are Samaritans, Aramaean Christians and Jews that still believe that. Jews are merely Israelites from Judea.
They all believe in monotheistic religions today. The Samaritens have Samaritanism which rejects the Talmud, newer prophets and only uses the Torah.
Islam is just a copy of 7th century Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity with some Arab pagan stuff like the Kabba. It's so obvious. There is stuff in the Quran that was rejected for being too late and too different from earlier Christian sources to make it into the NT. Like Jesus speaking in the cradle and Mary's fanny burning off one of the midwife's hands....No seriously
Very interesting stuff to me.
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"I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends.
Tolerance and respect?
Really?
Judaism: Gods chosen people. That sounds elitist to me. When did elitism engender tolerance and respect?
Christianity, Exodus 20:2-6:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Does that sound in any way tolerant? do you think that would engender respect for other religions? Or do you think that maybe Abramic Religion Mk 2, is even less tolerant than Mk 1? Can you guess where Abramic Religion Mk 3 may be heading?
Islam: A religion so intolerant that one half of the religion sees the other half as apostates, orders the faithful to kill all apostates and to convert, enslave or kill all non believers.
Now I would say there is nothing but intolerance there. Would you possibly agree?
I have only mentioned the 3 Abramic proselytising religion, but I am willing to bet that all religions have similar histories..
Very well put will, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Let's not also forget the third one learnt the lesson of the first two, that neat little chapter at the end of the Qur'an.... This is the final word of God, there can be no other religions after this!.
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Although I've always said not all religions are created equally.
I'm still waiting for somebody to find me the Amish or jainists terrorists!!!!. "
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"I can see exactly where you are coming from. Although, I don't think it should be up for us to 'judge' the religions, as it isn't them, rather than those who claim to follow them who are at fault. As I see it, all religions teach tolerance and respect, some merely choose to take the more extreme elements to suit their own ends.
Tolerance and respect?
Really?
Judaism: Gods chosen people. That sounds elitist to me. When did elitism engender tolerance and respect?
Christianity, Exodus 20:2-6:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Does that sound in any way tolerant? do you think that would engender respect for other religions? Or do you think that maybe Abramic Religion Mk 2, is even less tolerant than Mk 1? Can you guess where Abramic Religion Mk 3 may be heading?
Islam: A religion so intolerant that one half of the religion sees the other half as apostates, orders the faithful to kill all apostates and to convert, enslave or kill all non believers.
Now I would say there is nothing but intolerance there. Would you possibly agree?
I have only mentioned the 3 Abramic proselytising religion, but I am willing to bet that all religions have similar histories..
Very well put will, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Let's not also forget the third one learnt the lesson of the first two, that neat little chapter at the end of the Qur'an.... This is the final word of God, there can be no other religions after this!.
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Although I've always said not all religions are created equally.
I'm still waiting for somebody to find me the Amish or jainists terrorists!!!!.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/amish_bishop_samuel_mullet_tells.html"
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"I wonder if thats how the pagans felt when their winter festival got stolen in the most brutal fasion by so called civilised christian bishops to turn it into christmas.
Well that never happened, did it? Like the Scots with Saint Coloumba, most converted willingly and did so for many reasons. Such as learning to read and write and trade and connections that the Church brought. Mohammed paid people to convert and also threatened them with death. See the Banu Qarayza for example. 800 men and boys had their throats slit that day.
Or when the Jews massacred the Canaanites. Well I suppose that was more genocide than a massacre really.
lt wasn't the ''Jews'' (though because your liberal bigotry, you'd assume that) lt was lsraelites and unlike the Banu Qurazya massacre, it wasn't historical.
What religion were the Israelites at the time, and what religion are their descendents today?
They believed in the one abd infinite God of Israel known as Yahweh. Their direct descendants today are Samaritans, Aramaean Christians and Jews that still believe that. Jews are merely Israelites from Judea.
They all believe in monotheistic religions today. The Samaritens have Samaritanism which rejects the Talmud, newer prophets and only uses the Torah.
Islam is just a copy of 7th century Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity with some Arab pagan stuff like the Kabba. It's so obvious. There is stuff in the Quran that was rejected for being too late and too different from earlier Christian sources to make it into the NT. Like Jesus speaking in the cradle and Mary's fanny burning off one of the midwife's hands....No seriously
Very interesting stuff to me.
Exactly, so as I said, Jews "
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This has been going on since we got out of the trees and started walking on two legs 