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"'Experts' are just people; some are going to be corrupt. It's kind of ludicrous to hold a grudge against 'experts' because you don't like what a lot of them had to say about Brexit. One presumes you won't be looking for amateur doctors when you need medical help, or some bloke in the corner of the pub when your car needs repairs. " The big difference with doctors/mechanics/pilots etc is they train and then get supervised while learning to actually do a JOB, experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something, for instance would you let a doctor that had never actually operated on someone do brain surgery on you ? thats a generalisation but its pretty close to the mark, | |||
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""experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something" What "What ever they claim they are experts at,you know the experts from the imf oecd etc that told us we would have a recession if we followed the coalition policies etc etc.Dont you get the ones that come round your work and tell you how to do a job yet have never done it themselves but have an "ology" from some uni or other | |||
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""experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something" What
What ever they claim they are experts at,you know the experts from the imf oecd etc that told us we would have a recession if we followed the coalition policies etc etc.Dont you get the ones that come round your work and tell you how to do a job yet have never done it themselves but have an "ology" from some uni or other "I see. Do you mean university educated people with PHDs in various fields.But dont practice in those fields.Sounds a little anti intellectualism. | |||
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""experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something" What
What ever they claim they are experts at,you know the experts from the imf oecd etc that told us we would have a recession if we followed the coalition policies etc etc.Dont you get the ones that come round your work and tell you how to do a job yet have never done it themselves but have an "ology" from some uni or other I see. Do you mean university educated people with PHDs in various fields.But dont practice in those fields.Sounds a little anti intellectualism. "I like to think that I value all abilities whether that is theoretical or practical, I believe the balance is wrong at the moment in that qualifications based purely on academic ability with no "real" experience is deemed more important than "real" experience, we have a political class where those at the top seem to have been to oxbridge etc in a too high proportion, there is far too little knowledge of business, health, industry etc | |||
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""experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something" What
What ever they claim they are experts at,you know the experts from the imf oecd etc that told us we would have a recession if we followed the coalition policies etc etc.Dont you get the ones that come round your work and tell you how to do a job yet have never done it themselves but have an "ology" from some uni or other I see. Do you mean university educated people with PHDs in various fields.But dont practice in those fields.Sounds a little anti intellectualism.
I like to think that I value all abilities whether that is theoretical or practical, I believe the balance is wrong at the moment in that qualifications based purely on academic ability with no "real" experience is deemed more important than "real" experience, we have a political class where those at the top seem to have been to oxbridge etc in a too high proportion, there is far too little knowledge of business, health, industry etc " I fully understand where you are coming from, I've seen it in a few different lines of work where people come out of university with a qualification into a job and think they know it all, but they quickly come unstuck and often end up making fools of themselves. It's okay to know how everything works in theory from a text book, but often the theory doesn't always apply to the reality of situations on the ground doing the job in real life, I'll always put someone with practical experience of doing a job over someone with all the qualifications and no experience. | |||
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see its easy to ridicule people if you don't have the knowledge they do.... but they are trusted
so what i am going to say may surprise you...
by convention, the head of the IMF is always a european, and the head of the World Bank is an american
Do i think the IMF got the decision right with Legarde.... no I don't...
Do i believe the IMF as an international institution... absolutely
Do i think you should be ridiculing her in this manner because she was found guilty of an offence which had nothing to do with her job.... nope!! | |||
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"We all know how she got the job?. " I don't. How did she get the job? -Matt | |||
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"Have you had enough of experts in general or just the ones you disagree with.? " They are all idiots they know no more than I do,clairvoyants might know better,an economics degree does not make someone good at future predictions,the proof is there, they tend to be wrong. | |||
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"'Experts' are just people; some are going to be corrupt. It's kind of ludicrous to hold a grudge against 'experts' because you don't like what a lot of them had to say about Brexit. One presumes you won't be looking for amateur doctors when you need medical help, or some bloke in the corner of the pub when your car needs repairs. The big difference with doctors/mechanics/pilots etc is they train and then get supervised while learning to actually do a JOB, experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something, for instance would you let a doctor that had never actually operated on someone do brain surgery on you ? thats a generalisation but its pretty close to the mark, " I don't know any definition of the word expert that implies theoretical knowledge over practical. A doctor is an expert on the human body. The stig is an expert driver. Etc | |||
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"Ignore your doctor "Sums it up perfectly | |||
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"'Experts' are just people; some are going to be corrupt. It's kind of ludicrous to hold a grudge against 'experts' because you don't like what a lot of them had to say about Brexit. One presumes you won't be looking for amateur doctors when you need medical help, or some bloke in the corner of the pub when your car needs repairs. The big difference with doctors/mechanics/pilots etc is they train and then get supervised while learning to actually do a JOB, experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something, for instance would you let a doctor that had never actually operated on someone do brain surgery on you ? thats a generalisation but its pretty close to the mark, I don't know any definition of the word expert that implies theoretical knowledge over practical. A doctor is an expert on the human body. The stig is an expert driver. Etc" A doctor is using his training and dealing in real time as is the stig, an economist is using his training and interpreting figures and making predictions based on assumptions, can you show any financial predictions that have a reasonable level of accuracy over a short period of time let alone 15 years? Remember the egg/bse crisis when we were told by prof lacey that hundreds of thousands would die from salmonella and Nv CJD ? never happened did it | |||
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"Reminds me of an old motor trade saying. If you can't sell. Manage. If you can't manage. Teach. If you can't teach. Write a book. (AKA become an expert) " | |||
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"Reminds me of an old motor trade saying. If you can't sell. Manage. If you can't manage. Teach. If you can't teach. Write a book. (AKA become an expert) "Invariably written by those who haven't tried teaching! | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement? "Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field? | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?"And that's meant to prove what? It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education. Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in! | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!"He started it.  | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?"No, they know just as much, if not more than those without an education, as well as having a much greater knowledge about their specialist field. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!
He started it.
"The difference is he's right, your statement is bollocks. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!
He started it.
The difference is he's right, your statement is bollocks. "Tell you what. Seems like all the degrees were firsts in getting uppity from the university of STFUIKBTY. Decipher that oh clever one. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
No, they know just as much, if not more than those without an education, as well as having a much greater knowledge about their specialist field. "I tug my forelock to you oh great oracle. Then again for all I know it could be just a 3/3 in watching Corrie. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!
He started it.
The difference is he's right, your statement is bollocks.
Tell you what. Seems like all the degrees were firsts in getting uppity from the university of STFUIKBTY.
Decipher that oh clever one."Couldn't spell it right the first time?  | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!
He started it.
The difference is he's right, your statement is bollocks.
Tell you what. Seems like all the degrees were firsts in getting uppity from the university of STFUIKBTY.
Decipher that oh clever one.
Couldn't spell it right the first time? "No I just typed the wrong side of the "quote" but hey ho us uneducated oafs are always going to make a mistake. Unlike the great and mighty folk with degree's. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!
He started it.
The difference is he's right, your statement is bollocks.
Tell you what. Seems like all the degrees were firsts in getting uppity from the university of STFUIKBTY.
Decipher that oh clever one.
Couldn't spell it right the first time?
No I just typed the wrong side of the "quote" but hey ho us uneducated oafs are always going to make a mistake. Unlike the great and mighty folk with degree's."And some of us know when to use an apostrophe | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
And that's meant to prove what?
It does seem common that people like to praise a lack of education, "my degrees is from the university of life", whilst knocking those who do have an education.
Yet more examples of the crazy world we live in!
He started it.
The difference is he's right, your statement is bollocks.
Tell you what. Seems like all the degrees were firsts in getting uppity from the university of STFUIKBTY.
Decipher that oh clever one.
Couldn't spell it right the first time?
No I just typed the wrong side of the "quote" but hey ho us uneducated oafs are always going to make a mistake. Unlike the great and mighty folk with degree's.
And some of us know when to use an apostrophe "Argh you got me. I surrender, I surrender. Comma and full stop OK? | |||
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"It's a funny old world. You go to Uni suffer the rituals and hangovers of "Freshers Week" (or is it a month or even a year these days?) get you wonderful degree and a nice picture of yourself wearing a mortarboard for grannies sideboard. Then where does it get you? Parliament? The Oxford debating society? No. The politics forum of a swinger site. Nowt like a bit of "achievement" is there?." Aye, it makes it all worthwhile! | |||
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"Folk would not be allowed to get away with this sort of behaviour elsewhere on the forums. I guess that the mods pay less visits here. It is not edifying." Bloody hell, you're clearly not a regular in this forum! This is mild, there are still smileys invloved! | |||
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"Folk would not be allowed to get away with this sort of behaviour elsewhere on the forums. I guess that the mods pay less visits here. It is not edifying." I agree. But when someone has a pop at me I will defend myself, and against any 3rd party that joins in. | |||
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"Folk would not be allowed to get away with this sort of behaviour elsewhere on the forums. I guess that the mods pay less visits here. It is not edifying. Bloody hell, you're clearly not a regular in this forum! This is mild, there are still smileys invloved!" On that we agree. | |||
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"I find it really fun how brexiters are so called experts lol." Who called Brexiters experts, Shag? | |||
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"I find it really fun how brexiters are so called experts lol. Who called Brexiters experts, Shag?" The way they preach you know, the fact is that noone can predict what is going to happen. | |||
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"I find it really fun how brexiters are so called experts lol. Who called Brexiters experts, Shag?The way they preach you know, the fact is that noone can predict what is going to happen." They preach no more than Remainers. The Remainers did not know what would happen either. | |||
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"I find it really fun how brexiters are so called experts lol. Who called Brexiters experts, Shag?The way they preach you know, the fact is that noone can predict what is going to happen. They preach no more than Remainers. The Remainers did not know what would happen either." That is right, but it is easier to know what will happen if you are in the union than to role the dice with the devil. | |||
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"I find it really fun how brexiters are so called experts lol. Who called Brexiters experts, Shag?The way they preach you know, the fact is that noone can predict what is going to happen. They preach no more than Remainers. The Remainers did not know what would happen either.That is right, but it is easier to know what will happen if you are in the union than to role the dice with the devil." You do know that a certain Italian bank is in crisis? The EU is really not a certainty. Some might say it is founded on a discredited economic principle. Others might not but voting Remain was not voting for certain prosperity. Yes, it was voting for the status quo. But not for certain prosperity. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement? "maybe it's because we come across so many examples of very qualified people not being able to do a job they spent years studying for . Many times in my life I have come across these people . Most successful people are not graduates because common sense ,problem solving and being able to engage with people. Is far more important. How many very intelligent people are oddbods Unable to communicate all the knowledge but social rretards. | |||
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"I find it really fun how brexiters are so called experts lol. Who called Brexiters experts, Shag?The way they preach you know, the fact is that noone can predict what is going to happen. They preach no more than Remainers. The Remainers did not know what would happen either.That is right, but it is easier to know what will happen if you are in the union than to role the dice with the devil. You do know that a certain Italian bank is in crisis? The EU is really not a certainty. Some might say it is founded on a discredited economic principle. Others might not but voting Remain was not voting for certain prosperity. Yes, it was voting for the status quo. But not for certain prosperity." That is pretty much what I've been trying to say for most of this year on here. Remainers keep telling us how bad it's going to be (and time after time keep getting proved wrong BTW) but the reality is that nobody has a clue how it is going to pan out. Will Britain be better off in our out? Could be, and maybe, are about the only answers. Will the EU collapse? ditto. Will the Eurozone collapse? ditto again, although I would say that the odds are not in its favour. Does the EU need to be taken apart and rebuilt? Yes but that is only my opinion, others will differ. What pisses me off are people who make sweeping statements about how much it will cost in money, jobs Etc. When they really (like me) have no idea but will quote AIOTNEHO (decipher that one LOL) or the like has having all the answers. They haven't. I haven't, and you (whoever you may be) haven't. | |||
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"Most successful people are not graduates" Please provide a source for your assertation, you know, figures... I very, very much doubt it's correct. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement? maybe it's because we come across so many examples of very qualified people not being able to do a job they spent years studying for .
Many times in my life I have come across these people . Most successful people are not graduates because common sense ,problem solving and being able to engage with people. Is far more important.
How many very intelligent people are oddbods Unable to communicate all the knowledge but social rretards."Some that I've met over the years could be classed as bordering on Autism. If that is "Autismist" then sorry. | |||
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"Most successful people are not graduates Please provide a source for your assertation, you know, figures... I very, very much doubt it's correct. " I wouldn't have a clue myself. All I know is I didn't go to Uni and have been very successful. My son did a degree and a masters and is also very successful. So it's 50/50 from here. | |||
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"and time after time keep getting proved wrong BTW)" Actually, we haven't been proved wrong once about how bad it will be after we've left, Although I do sincerely hope that it will be better after we leave. That I am unable to see how it can doesn't stop me hoping it will. Nor does that hope change my view that it is total madness. That I thought we lived in an outgoing modern country, whereas it turns out we live in an introverted, retrospective and deluded one. Oh well! | |||
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"and time after time keep getting proved wrong BTW) Actually, we haven't been proved wrong once about how bad it will be after we've left, Although I do sincerely hope that it will be better after we leave. That I am unable to see how it can doesn't stop me hoping it will. Nor does that hope change my view that it is total madness. That I thought we lived in an outgoing modern country, whereas it turns out we live in an introverted, retrospective and deluded one. Oh well!" Or in an outgoing fully international one that can see further than 27 other countries. Opinions are like arse holes. Everybody has one. | |||
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"and time after time keep getting proved wrong BTW) Actually, we haven't been proved wrong once about how bad it will be after we've left, Although I do sincerely hope that it will be better after we leave. That I am unable to see how it can doesn't stop me hoping it will. Nor does that hope change my view that it is total madness. That I thought we lived in an outgoing modern country, whereas it turns out we live in an introverted, retrospective and deluded one. Oh well! Or in an outgoing fully international one that can see further than 27 other countries. Opinions are like arse holes. Everybody has one." I think we're really kidding ourselves if we postulate that leavers voted thus because they want to see further than 27 countries! Firstly, being in the EU doesn't prevent this and, secondly, what we've seen as their rhetoric suggest that the opposite is true. | |||
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"and time after time keep getting proved wrong BTW) Actually, we haven't been proved wrong once about how bad it will be after we've left, Although I do sincerely hope that it will be better after we leave. That I am unable to see how it can doesn't stop me hoping it will. Nor does that hope change my view that it is total madness. That I thought we lived in an outgoing modern country, whereas it turns out we live in an introverted, retrospective and deluded one. Oh well! Or in an outgoing fully international one that can see further than 27 other countries. Opinions are like arse holes. Everybody has one. I think we're really kidding ourselves if we postulate that leavers voted thus because they want to see further than 27 countries! Firstly, being in the EU doesn't prevent this and, secondly, what we've seen as their rhetoric suggest that the opposite is true." You may be kidding yourself but I am not. I saw the EU as a financial straight jacket, limiting economic possibilities and imposing unnecessary restrictions upon us. I also believed it to be based upon unworkable political principles. But, hey, I was just one voter and I can't know what was in other people's minds. Neither can you. | |||
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"the fact is that noone can predict what is going to happen." Hull City 0-6 Man City | |||
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"Most successful people are not graduates Please provide a source for your assertation, you know, figures... I very, very much doubt it's correct. I wouldn't have a clue myself. All I know is I didn't go to Uni and have been very successful. My son did a degree and a masters and is also very successful. So it's 50/50 from here." According to your statements and the ones you've agreed with, your son must be 'socially retarded and bordering on autism', right? | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement? maybe it's because we come across so many examples of very qualified people not being able to do a job they spent years studying for .
Many times in my life I have come across these people . Most successful people are not graduates because common sense ,problem solving and being able to engage with people. Is far more important.
How many very intelligent people are oddbods Unable to communicate all the knowledge but social rretards.
"Maybe Ed Miliband can be put in that category, university educated intelligent guy who doesn't know how to eat a bacon sandwich. | |||
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement? maybe it's because we come across so many examples of very qualified people not being able to do a job they spent years studying for .
Many times in my life I have come across these people . Most successful people are not graduates because common sense ,problem solving and being able to engage with people. Is far more important.
How many very intelligent people are oddbods Unable to communicate all the knowledge but social rretards.
Maybe Ed Miliband can be put in that category, university educated intelligent guy who doesn't know how to eat a bacon sandwich. "Is it 'educated' to eat a bacon sandwich? I think not! | |||
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"Most successful people are not graduates Please provide a source for your assertation, you know, figures... I very, very much doubt it's correct. I wouldn't have a clue myself. All I know is I didn't go to Uni and have been very successful. My son did a degree and a masters and is also very successful. So it's 50/50 from here. According to your statements and the ones you've agreed with, your son must be 'socially retarded and bordering on autism', right? " Would it matter? He has been successful. Isn't that something to be applauded rather than denigrated? | |||
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"Will Britain become divided into two distinct groups after all this, one completely denouncing knowledge just so they can be patriotic? While the "traitors" get educated? Hopefully the polar attitudes this forum contains doesn't reflect the state of the nation" No and it has little to do with patriotism or "denouncing knowledge." Your understanding of economics and the system that we currently subscribe to is different from mine. That does not make me ignorant. It makes me different from you. Oh, and in the majority. | |||
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"'Experts' are just people; some are going to be corrupt. It's kind of ludicrous to hold a grudge against 'experts' because you don't like what a lot of them had to say about Brexit. One presumes you won't be looking for amateur doctors when you need medical help, or some bloke in the corner of the pub when your car needs repairs. The big difference with doctors/mechanics/pilots etc is they train and then get supervised while learning to actually do a JOB, experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something, for instance would you let a doctor that had never actually operated on someone do brain surgery on you ? thats a generalisation but its pretty close to the mark, I don't know any definition of the word expert that implies theoretical knowledge over practical. A doctor is an expert on the human body. The stig is an expert driver. Etc A doctor is using his training and dealing in real time as is the stig, an economist is using his training and interpreting figures and making predictions based on assumptions, can you show any financial predictions that have a reasonable level of accuracy over a short period of time let alone 15 years? Remember the egg/bse crisis when we were told by prof lacey that hundreds of thousands would die from salmonella and Nv CJD ? never happened did it " They're still experts according to the definition of the word. If you're going to throw around, or side with, the demonisation of "experts" at least bother to look up the word. | |||
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"Will Britain become divided into two distinct groups after all this, one completely denouncing knowledge just so they can be patriotic? While the "traitors" get educated? Hopefully the polar attitudes this forum contains doesn't reflect the state of the nation No and it has little to do with patriotism or "denouncing knowledge." Your understanding of economics and the system that we currently subscribe to is different from mine. That does not make me ignorant. It makes me different from you. Oh, and in the majority." Ignorant [ig-ner-uh nt] adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man. 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics. Have you had any training in economics? If not, then by definition, you are indeed ignorant. | |||
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"Will Britain become divided into two distinct groups after all this, one completely denouncing knowledge just so they can be patriotic? While the "traitors" get educated? Hopefully the polar attitudes this forum contains doesn't reflect the state of the nation No and it has little to do with patriotism or "denouncing knowledge." Your understanding of economics and the system that we currently subscribe to is different from mine. That does not make me ignorant. It makes me different from you. Oh, and in the majority. Ignorant [ig-ner-uh nt] adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man. 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics. Have you had any training in economics? If not, then by definition, you are indeed ignorant. " I have had no training in economics. As I have said, it is a social science with many different factors and views involved. My viewpoint is as valid as yours. Maybe the views of the majority of the voters were the right views? Who knows? You haven't done a great job of defending the Remain argument, other than calling anyone contrary to your view stupid. I fully understand the Remain argument. It is not stupid. Remainers are not stupid. I just don't think you have thought about the political system that you have accepted. And I am not prepared to insult you. You have your views. I have mine. That does not make you stupid, nor does it make me stupid. | |||
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"Most successful people are not graduates Please provide a source for your assertation, you know, figures... I very, very much doubt it's correct. I wouldn't have a clue myself. All I know is I didn't go to Uni and have been very successful. My son did a degree and a masters and is also very successful. So it's 50/50 from here. According to your statements and the ones you've agreed with, your son must be 'socially retarded and bordering on autism', right? Would it matter? He has been successful. Isn't that something to be applauded rather than denigrated? " Not in the CLCC parallel universe. | |||
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"Will Britain become divided into two distinct groups after all this, one completely denouncing knowledge just so they can be patriotic? While the "traitors" get educated? Hopefully the polar attitudes this forum contains doesn't reflect the state of the nation No and it has little to do with patriotism or "denouncing knowledge." Your understanding of economics and the system that we currently subscribe to is different from mine. That does not make me ignorant. It makes me different from you. Oh, and in the majority. Ignorant [ig-ner-uh nt] adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man. 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics. Have you had any training in economics? If not, then by definition, you are indeed ignorant. " Takes one to know one. | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder." About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification | |||
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"Will Britain become divided into two distinct groups after all this, one completely denouncing knowledge just so they can be patriotic? While the "traitors" get educated? Hopefully the polar attitudes this forum contains doesn't reflect the state of the nation No and it has little to do with patriotism or "denouncing knowledge." Your understanding of economics and the system that we currently subscribe to is different from mine. That does not make me ignorant. It makes me different from you. Oh, and in the majority. Ignorant [ig-ner-uh nt] adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man. 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics. Have you had any training in economics? If not, then by definition, you are indeed ignorant. " You really are well up your own arse aren't you? | |||
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"'Experts' are just people; some are going to be corrupt. It's kind of ludicrous to hold a grudge against 'experts' because you don't like what a lot of them had to say about Brexit. One presumes you won't be looking for amateur doctors when you need medical help, or some bloke in the corner of the pub when your car needs repairs. The big difference with doctors/mechanics/pilots etc is they train and then get supervised while learning to actually do a JOB, experts just get the qualification and then tell others how to do something, for instance would you let a doctor that had never actually operated on someone do brain surgery on you ? thats a generalisation but its pretty close to the mark, I don't know any definition of the word expert that implies theoretical knowledge over practical. A doctor is an expert on the human body. The stig is an expert driver. Etc A doctor is using his training and dealing in real time as is the stig, an economist is using his training and interpreting figures and making predictions based on assumptions, can you show any financial predictions that have a reasonable level of accuracy over a short period of time let alone 15 years? Remember the egg/bse crisis when we were told by prof lacey that hundreds of thousands would die from salmonella and Nv CJD ? never happened did it They're still experts according to the definition of the word. If you're going to throw around, or side with, the demonisation of "experts" at least bother to look up the word." Yes he was an expert, one that was proved wrong which is the point I and many others are making, yet many here believe every prediciton that some experts have made | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification" Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification" What makes you think I was referring to you? | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification What makes you think I was referring to you?" Makes no difference who you are referring to, you are being predujiced against those who have anti intellectualist views, which of course is fine as we are all predujiced over somethings but we dont all pretend that we arent | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification What makes you think I was referring to you? Makes no difference who you are referring to, you are being predujiced against those who have anti intellectualist views, which of course is fine as we are all predujiced over somethings but we dont all pretend that we arent" Yep. | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL" Many a true word said in jest, with the size of that chip on your shoulder, I think you just might wish that. But what would I know. | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is? "You could just listen to strange bickering. That would be constructive. | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is? "Why are you knocking uneducated guess work? All opinions are equally valid after all! | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is? "I think you missed out a very important element . Independence and lack ofself interest | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
Why are you knocking uneducated guess work?
All opinions are equally valid after all!"Funnily enough, they are. Though just because they don't fit your view of the world does not make them uneducated or guess work. | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
I think you missed out a very important element . Independence and lack ofself interest"Your solution? | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification What makes you think I was referring to you? Makes no difference who you are referring to, you are being predujiced against those who have anti intellectualist views, which of course is fine as we are all predujiced over somethings but we dont all pretend that we arent" Most people think that education is important, perhaps some Brexiters prefer Pol Pot's educational methods? | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
I think you missed out a very important element . Independence and lack ofself interest
Your solution?"Not sure there is one except cynicism in those observing the opinion formers and decision makers, my motto is follow the money it generally gives a clue to the stand point of "expert" | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
Why are you knocking uneducated guess work?
All opinions are equally valid after all!
Funnily enough, they are. Though just because they don't fit your view of the world does not make them uneducated or guess work."Is that what you say about economists every single day? | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
Why are you knocking uneducated guess work?
All opinions are equally valid after all!
Funnily enough, they are. Though just because they don't fit your view of the world does not make them uneducated or guess work.
Is that what you say about economists every single day? "My word, why on earth would you come up with that? | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL" Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness". | |||
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" Most people think that education is important, perhaps some Brexiters prefer Pol Pot's educational methods? " Education is important IMVHO but an open mind is just as important if not more so,brexiters might say that remainers have swallowed the EU line and are gullible and therefore foolish, you swear blind that there are no plans for an eu army despite many statements to the contrary, that is your opinion but it doesnt make you right or me wrong stupid or ignorant because I believe there are plans for one, time will tell who is right. It is interesting that it is mainly the remain side that are dismissive of others opinions by calling them ignorant and uneducated and of course racist to boot and trying to link them with hitler, pol pot et al | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
Why are you knocking uneducated guess work?
All opinions are equally valid after all!
Funnily enough, they are. Though just because they don't fit your view of the world does not make them uneducated or guess work.
Is that what you say about economists every single day?
My word, why on earth would you come up with that?"Because you say things like this: "I can't say that Santa Claus won't park his sleigh on my house but I can make a judgement about an economic forecast that projects guesswork into 2030." Clearly showing that you think economics is guess work. You very conveniently only stick to bashing economists, you forget to mention all the other experts you ignored about brexit. Defence, security, academics, research, farming, environmental etc. | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness". "
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness". "Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great "Me thinks you found the post a bit to close to the truth | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
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"Every single one of us contributes to society. In different ways. I never fail to be amazed at the intolerance of many on here. Those who think because they have a degree, or are a "professional" that their opinion is right, their vote is worth more than others - be ashamed 
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
Me thinks you found the post a bit to close to the truth "No, I find it ridiculous that someone who claims to work in education says like that. I never said anything bad about people who haven't achieved high academic qualifications, I just said that those that attack experts tend not to have achieved much. I think an anti intellectual society that attacks and denigrates experts is doomed to failure. That's exactly what Pol Pot did and look how the Khymer Rouge did. They would force doctors and scientists and professors to farm rice, forced labour, summary executions etc. Look how long that society lasted. | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great "Where do I say I do not believe in education? How dare you accuse me of not believing in learning!!! I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally. I believe in everyone contributing to society, in whatever way they can. In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here.... | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
I think you missed out a very important element . Independence and lack ofself interest
Your solution?"Actually, that sounded a little petulant. Let me rephrase: Under what circumstances would an expert with whom you disagreed be acceptable? | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
Where do I say I do not believe in education?
How dare you accuse me of not believing in learning!!!
I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally.
I believe in everyone contributing to society, in whatever way they can.
In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here....
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"Has anyone ever noticed that those who preach anti-intellectualism seem to have a low level of academic achievement?
Have you ever noticed how people with an allegedly high level of academic achievement tend to know fuck all beyond their own field?
No, they know just as much, if not more than those without an education, as well as having a much greater knowledge about their specialist field. "Classic example of your opinion | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
Where do I say I do not believe in education?
How dare you accuse me of not believing in learning!!!
I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally.
I believe in everyone contributing to society, in whatever way they can.
In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here....
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
Where do I say I do not believe in education?
How dare you accuse me of not believing in learning!!!
I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally.
I believe in everyone contributing to society, in whatever way they can.
In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here....
So you want them to learn, but just not learn too much and become an expert? Like I say ridiculous. "I wouldn't expect you to have the emotional intelligence to understand. Where did I say I don't want them to learn too much? And ,yes,you are ridiculous | |||
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"So if expert opinion based on formal education, experience and research is not the best way to make decisions now and attempt to plan for the future, what is?
I think you missed out a very important element . Independence and lack ofself interest
Your solution?
Actually, that sounded a little petulant. Let me rephrase:
Under what circumstances would an expert with whom you disagreed be acceptable?"some one who produced a long balanced argument picking apart both sides in an honest way, acknowledging that there was good and bad points from each and perhaps producing two results from following the different paths and finishing by saying on balance I support this route. Both sides in the debate should hang their heads in shame in the bull they told the public | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
Where do I say I do not believe in education?
How dare you accuse me of not believing in learning!!!
I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally.
I believe in everyone contributing to society, in whatever way they can.
In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here....
So you want them to learn, but just not learn too much and become an expert? Like I say ridiculous.
I wouldn't expect you to have the emotional intelligence to understand.
Where did I say I don't want them to learn too much?
And ,yes,you are ridiculous
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
Where do I say I do not believe in education?
How dare you accuse me of not believing in learning!!!
I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally.
I believe in everyone contributing to society, in whatever way they can.
In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here....
well said, showing up the prejudice of those who accuse anyone that disagrees with of being prejudiced"I am intolerant of people who want to create a society without experts, without doctors or engineers or professors or scientists. That would be a fucking terrible society. I have never said that I agree with such people. | |||
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" I am intolerant of people who want to create a society without experts, without doctors or engineers or professors or scientists. That would be a fucking terrible society. I have never said that I agree with such people." name one person who doesnt want any of the above | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great "I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different." Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt" So experts are always right,never need to look afresh at how they work etc ? I have over 40 years of experience in my main business but never stop looking at new or even old ways of doing things, indeed quite often someone who has no experience of it can come up with an idea that can work really well even if it needs tweaking. The arrogance of those who know best(or think they do) is one of the reason for the rise of "populism" and the scare tactics and fear from those with lots to lose . There is nowt so blind as those who wont see | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt" As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. | |||
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" I am intolerant of people who want to create a society without experts, without doctors or engineers or professors or scientists. That would be a fucking terrible society. I have never said that I agree with such people. name one person who doesnt want any of the above " The anti-intellectual expert haters | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful"And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice. | |||
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" I am intolerant of people who want to create a society without experts, without doctors or engineers or professors or scientists. That would be a fucking terrible society. I have never said that I agree with such people. name one person who doesnt want any of the above The anti-intellectual expert haters" Go on name one that has said they dont want doctors, scientists, engineers etc, | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt So experts are always right,never need to look afresh at how they work etc ? I have over 40 years of experience in my main business but never stop looking at new or even old ways of doing things, indeed quite often someone who has no experience of it can come up with an idea that can work really well even if it needs tweaking. The arrogance of those who know best(or think they do) is one of the reason for the rise of "populism" and the scare tactics and fear from those with lots to lose . There is nowt so blind as those who wont see" No. Read what I said. -Matt | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice."But that's what the law "experts" advise me... Who doesn't believe in experts now then??? | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. " Right. Feedback is very valuable. I'm not suggesting discount that. What I am saying is that just because the 'average person' on the street has an opinion about something that does not automatically make it more valuable than the experience, training, learning that you have done for your specific field. Nor does opinion change facts. If as a scientist you have measured via scientific process that the earth is round... just because popular opinion might say it is flat does not make it flat. -Matt | |||
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" I am intolerant of people who want to create a society without experts, without doctors or engineers or professors or scientists. That would be a fucking terrible society. I have never said that I agree with such people. name one person who doesnt want any of the above The anti-intellectual expert haters Go on name one that has said they dont want doctors, scientists, engineers etc," Those are all experts, this is a whole thread of people bashing experts, yourself included. Read through it again and see all the ridiculous things people have said about experts, and then take a minute and ask yourself how different your life would be without experts. Without an expert architect, would you be in a house right now or under the stars? Without experts would you have a job to go to tomorrow? Without the experts that designed your bike, car, train, bus, would you be able to get to work tomorrow? Without an expert to design your smartphone or tablet or laptop how would you access fab? | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then??? "You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts? | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. Right. Feedback is very valuable. I'm not suggesting discount that. What I am saying is that just because the 'average person' on the street has an opinion about something that does not automatically make it more valuable than the experience, training, learning that you have done for your specific field. Nor does opinion change facts. If as a scientist you have measured via scientific process that the earth is round... just because popular opinion might say it is flat does not make it flat. -Matt" No Matt I agree. But I also think that everyone, expert, professional or not, has the right to an opinion. To a belief. To make decisions based on their perceptions, their experiences. Some things aren't black or white. Not even science - as a BSc graduate I know this. Leaving the EU being a prime example. It will have both benefits and drawbacks x | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts? "Again, where did I say I want a court case? It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile If you persist, I will happily see you in court.. | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts?
Again, where did I say I want a court case?
It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile
If you persist, I will happily see you in court.. "Still avoiding the question I posed re law experts though...Guess it doesn't suit? Hypocrite?? | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. Right. Feedback is very valuable. I'm not suggesting discount that. What I am saying is that just because the 'average person' on the street has an opinion about something that does not automatically make it more valuable than the experience, training, learning that you have done for your specific field. Nor does opinion change facts. If as a scientist you have measured via scientific process that the earth is round... just because popular opinion might say it is flat does not make it flat. -Matt No Matt I agree. But I also think that everyone, expert, professional or not, has the right to an opinion. To a belief. To make decisions based on their perceptions, their experiences. Some things aren't black or white. Not even science - as a BSc graduate I know this. Leaving the EU being a prime example. It will have both benefits and drawbacks x " Yes, I agree that everyone has a right to an opinion. But what is going on at the moment is a worrying trend of people believing that their opinion is right unequivocally irrespective of evidence to the contrary. I'm an MEng graduate, and work in a technical field. I also lecture occasionally at a university, so whilst not a teacher, I do teach. I know that things may not always appear as they seem. But I am always striving to support any theory or hypothesis or opinion with some kind of facts, experience or knowledge on the matter. Or will seek out those that have that. One of the reasons why I find is so fascinating about debating politics on a swingers forum is you get such a wide cross section of views and society that you might not otherwise encounter. OK, so it may be a bit monocultural on here, but the social-political spectrum is much wider then I generally encounter. Google what Asimov said in 1980 about the "Cult of ignorance"... it is scarily accurate to what is going on today... a quote in part: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" -Matt | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts?
Again, where did I say I want a court case?
It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile
If you persist, I will happily see you in court..
Still avoiding the question I posed re law experts though...Guess it doesn't suit?
Hypocrite??"What has my profile got to do with anything? Its against forum rules to criticise people's profiles unless they ask for a critique. If you don't want a court case, what exactly are you threatening me with? I find it unlikely that you have consulted with any legal experts about your hatred of experts at 11 o'clock at night. But if you have, I would love to hear what their expert opinion was. | |||
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"Under what circumstances would an expert with whom you disagreed be acceptable? some one who produced a long balanced argument picking apart both sides in an honest way, acknowledging that there was good and bad points from each and perhaps producing two results from following the different paths and finishing by saying on balance I support this route. Both sides in the debate should hang their heads in shame in the bull they told the public" I don't disagree with the quality of debate that was displayed. However, the implication is that an expert should only provide neutral data. Surely they should also give their opinion too otherwise they aren't providing any advice... | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. Right. Feedback is very valuable. I'm not suggesting discount that. What I am saying is that just because the 'average person' on the street has an opinion about something that does not automatically make it more valuable than the experience, training, learning that you have done for your specific field. Nor does opinion change facts. If as a scientist you have measured via scientific process that the earth is round... just because popular opinion might say it is flat does not make it flat. -Matt No Matt I agree. But I also think that everyone, expert, professional or not, has the right to an opinion. To a belief. To make decisions based on their perceptions, their experiences. Some things aren't black or white. Not even science - as a BSc graduate I know this. Leaving the EU being a prime example. It will have both benefits and drawbacks x Yes, I agree that everyone has a right to an opinion. But what is going on at the moment is a worrying trend of people believing that their opinion is right unequivocally irrespective of evidence to the contrary. I'm an MEng graduate, and work in a technical field. I also lecture occasionally at a university, so whilst not a teacher, I do teach. I know that things may not always appear as they seem. But I am always striving to support any theory or hypothesis or opinion with some kind of facts, experience or knowledge on the matter. Or will seek out those that have that. One of the reasons why I find is so fascinating about debating politics on a swingers forum is you get such a wide cross section of views and society that you might not otherwise encounter. OK, so it may be a bit monocultural on here, but the social-political spectrum is much wider then I generally encounter. Google what Asimov said in 1980 about the "Cult of ignorance"... it is scarily accurate to what is going on today... a quote in part: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" -Matt" Again I agree mostly. But the quote goes against democracy though. Who decides who is ignorant? The " experts"? But some things aren't black or white. Some benefit from membership of the EU. Others haven't. After listening from "experts" on both sides, why would you expect the public to have confidence in these people? The " experts" should learn from this feedback to improve their practice. We all made a decision. Some were more considered than others. That doesn't make their opinion more worthy than others. | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification What makes you think I was referring to you? Makes no difference who you are referring to, you are being predujiced against those who have anti intellectualist views, which of course is fine as we are all predujiced over somethings but we dont all pretend that we arent Most people think that education is important, perhaps some Brexiters prefer Pol Pot's educational methods? " Must admit I always thought that was comrade Corbyn's education policy.  | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts?
Again, where did I say I want a court case?
It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile
If you persist, I will happily see you in court..
Still avoiding the question I posed re law experts though...Guess it doesn't suit?
Hypocrite??
What has my profile got to do with anything? Its against forum rules to criticise people's profiles unless they ask for a critique.
If you don't want a court case, what exactly are you threatening me with?
I find it unlikely that you have consulted with any legal experts about your hatred of experts at 11 o'clock at night. But if you have, I would love to hear what their expert opinion was."You need to seek expert advice about your paranoia. I haven't criticised your profile.. or threatened you. Simply stated the facts. I know that isn't convenient for you. I am fortunate that my sister and her husband are solcitors.The very same "experts" you hold dear
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness". "I had to dig back to find the original of this, but well said.
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts?
Again, where did I say I want a court case?
It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile
If you persist, I will happily see you in court..
Still avoiding the question I posed re law experts though...Guess it doesn't suit?
Hypocrite??
What has my profile got to do with anything? Its against forum rules to criticise people's profiles unless they ask for a critique.
If you don't want a court case, what exactly are you threatening me with?
I find it unlikely that you have consulted with any legal experts about your hatred of experts at 11 o'clock at night. But if you have, I would love to hear what their expert opinion was.
You need to seek expert advice about your paranoia.
I haven't criticised your profile.. or threatened you. Simply stated the facts. I know that isn't convenient for you.
I am fortunate that my sister and her husband are solcitors.The very same "experts" you hold dear
So stop your defamatory libelous comments."Right, so you spoke to your sister about what someone had said on a swingers site did you? What did she tell you to do? | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts?
Again, where did I say I want a court case?
It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile
If you persist, I will happily see you in court..
Still avoiding the question I posed re law experts though...Guess it doesn't suit?
Hypocrite??
What has my profile got to do with anything? Its against forum rules to criticise people's profiles unless they ask for a critique.
If you don't want a court case, what exactly are you threatening me with?
I find it unlikely that you have consulted with any legal experts about your hatred of experts at 11 o'clock at night. But if you have, I would love to hear what their expert opinion was.
You need to seek expert advice about your paranoia.
I haven't criticised your profile.. or threatened you. Simply stated the facts. I know that isn't convenient for you.
I am fortunate that my sister and her husband are solcitors.The very same "experts" you hold dear
So stop your defamatory libelous comments.
Right, so you spoke to your sister about what someone had said on a swingers site did you? What did she tell you to do?"I have been advised to stop communicating with you on the site. Have fun x | |||
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. Right. Feedback is very valuable. I'm not suggesting discount that. What I am saying is that just because the 'average person' on the street has an opinion about something that does not automatically make it more valuable than the experience, training, learning that you have done for your specific field. Nor does opinion change facts. If as a scientist you have measured via scientific process that the earth is round... just because popular opinion might say it is flat does not make it flat. -Matt No Matt I agree. But I also think that everyone, expert, professional or not, has the right to an opinion. To a belief. To make decisions based on their perceptions, their experiences. Some things aren't black or white. Not even science - as a BSc graduate I know this. Leaving the EU being a prime example. It will have both benefits and drawbacks x Yes, I agree that everyone has a right to an opinion. But what is going on at the moment is a worrying trend of people believing that their opinion is right unequivocally irrespective of evidence to the contrary. I'm an MEng graduate, and work in a technical field. I also lecture occasionally at a university, so whilst not a teacher, I do teach. I know that things may not always appear as they seem. But I am always striving to support any theory or hypothesis or opinion with some kind of facts, experience or knowledge on the matter. Or will seek out those that have that. One of the reasons why I find is so fascinating about debating politics on a swingers forum is you get such a wide cross section of views and society that you might not otherwise encounter. OK, so it may be a bit monocultural on here, but the social-political spectrum is much wider then I generally encounter. Google what Asimov said in 1980 about the "Cult of ignorance"... it is scarily accurate to what is going on today... a quote in part: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" -Matt Again I agree mostly. But the quote goes against democracy though. Who decides who is ignorant? The " experts"? But some things aren't black or white. Some benefit from membership of the EU. Others haven't. After listening from "experts" on both sides, why would you expect the public to have confidence in these people? The " experts" should learn from this feedback to improve their practice. We all made a decision. Some were more considered than others. That doesn't make their opinion more worthy than others. " Ahhh.. but that is the whole point of the Parliamentary Democracy we have in this country. You and I *don't* know enough about the details of all of the issues and so we elect a representative whose job it is to go through all this detail and consult those they need to consult to come to an informed decision to adequately represent us. Now, you can argue whether that process works or not, or has been corrupted or not... but the point is that our democracy is designed to deal with ignorance. And as for the "experts" why do you hold them at fault here? Surely it was the politicians and their (mis)use of information from the experts. Case in point is the £350M figure. Despite it being utterly debunked and every 'expert' saying the number was inaccurate the politicians continued to use it. The same happened with the Junior Doctors issue and the death rate at weekends. Despite politicians mis-reading the statistics and being repeatedly warned that the numbers they were using were misleading, they went ahead and used them. Repeatedly. What exactly are you proposing that the 'experts' do or learn from this? Other than mistrust politicians? As for your assertion that an opinion less considered than others is still as worthy... I don't know. If you take that to it's conclusion you end up with that is happening in the US with Trump. He can tweet some complete and utter bollocks, yet somehow his 'opinion' is still as valid as one that has some kind of thought gone into it? He says "We are going to build a solid wall right across the border" and somehow his opinion is as valid as that of someone who has actually taken time to work out the costs and feasibility of such a proposal? -Matt | |||
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"Are there socially awkward people without high academic achievement? Yes. Are there people on the autistic spectrum with high academic achievement? Yes. To say that educated people are socially awkward and possibly autistic is prejudiced, and to be honest, makes you sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder. About as predujiced as saying those who preach anti intellectualism have a low level of academic acheivement when you have no idea whatsoever of mine or anyone elses qualification Ah well. My lack of "education" didn't get in the way of owning a business which gives us a six figure salary, a multi million Euro property portfolio, and all the trimmings you would expect. Shit. I wish I'd done better at school LOL Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... How patronising some of the posts on here are regarding education. I have a Masters. I work in education, vocational as it happens. Those on here who sneer at people who aren't "educated" should hang their heads in shame. The real problem is that many "experts" base their "advice/opinion" on who is funding them. Many "experts" sneer at the "great unwashed". New terms like "post truth" and "populism" are now used to denigrate those who speak as they find. Those who have decided they no longer wish to be walked over in the name of "multiculturalism" and "political correctness".
Fantastic, you work in education and don't believe in learning, intellect or experts. Great
I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful
And then you start to threaten people who dont agree with your hatred of experts. Nice.
But that's what the law "experts" advise me...
Who doesn't believe in experts now then???
You want a public court case about how some one on a swingers site thought it was ridiculous that you work in education and hate experts?
Again, where did I say I want a court case?
It's not me that has pictures and "trip advisor" style reviews on my profile
If you persist, I will happily see you in court..
Still avoiding the question I posed re law experts though...Guess it doesn't suit?
Hypocrite??
What has my profile got to do with anything? Its against forum rules to criticise people's profiles unless they ask for a critique.
If you don't want a court case, what exactly are you threatening me with?
I find it unlikely that you have consulted with any legal experts about your hatred of experts at 11 o'clock at night. But if you have, I would love to hear what their expert opinion was.
You need to seek expert advice about your paranoia.
I haven't criticised your profile.. or threatened you. Simply stated the facts. I know that isn't convenient for you.
I am fortunate that my sister and her husband are solcitors.The very same "experts" you hold dear
So stop your defamatory libelous comments.
Right, so you spoke to your sister about what someone had said on a swingers site did you? What did she tell you to do?
I have been advised to stop communicating with you on the site.
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" I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful" Since you would have to be identified in order to be either defamed or libeled, I think we can assume the Supreme Courts will not be hering your case after the Article 50 judgement is passed down. | |||
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" I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally. ... In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here.... "Your modesty is humbling. | |||
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" I believe that is bordering on libel and defamation. Alleging I don't believe in education when I work as an education professional... Be careful Since you would have to be identified in order to be either defamed or libeled, I think we can assume the Supreme Courts will not be hering your case after the Article 50 judgement is passed down. " | |||
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" I have helped thousands, literally, achieve success, personally and professionally. ... In fact, I'm so busy helping others to achieve, I do not have time to trawl the internet searching for snippets of news that support my point of view and posting multiple threads on here....
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"Maybe the Experts should have listened to the average man and woman more. Being clever is one thing, being bright is something entirely different. Why? Do you believe that someone who studies in a field of science for instance would alter their views of their findings and studies because the 'average man or woman' didn't agree with them? Do you think a teacher, who has worked hard to get where they are and knows how to teach and what works and doesn't work is going to change their methods because the 'average man and woman' thinks that they are doing it wrong? I think you put too much stock in the 'average man and woman'. Perhaps the 'Average man and woman' should listen less to what Murdoch and Dacre tell them in order to sell advertising by sensationalism? -Matt As a teacher, I'm very interested in what the"average" man, woman or child thinks about what works or what doesn't. If I listen to feedback, I can improve my practice. Right. Feedback is very valuable. I'm not suggesting discount that. What I am saying is that just because the 'average person' on the street has an opinion about something that does not automatically make it more valuable than the experience, training, learning that you have done for your specific field. Nor does opinion change facts. If as a scientist you have measured via scientific process that the earth is round... just because popular opinion might say it is flat does not make it flat. -Matt No Matt I agree. But I also think that everyone, expert, professional or not, has the right to an opinion. To a belief. To make decisions based on their perceptions, their experiences. Some things aren't black or white. Not even science - as a BSc graduate I know this. Leaving the EU being a prime example. It will have both benefits and drawbacks x Yes, I agree that everyone has a right to an opinion. But what is going on at the moment is a worrying trend of people believing that their opinion is right unequivocally irrespective of evidence to the contrary. I'm an MEng graduate, and work in a technical field. I also lecture occasionally at a university, so whilst not a teacher, I do teach. I know that things may not always appear as they seem. But I am always striving to support any theory or hypothesis or opinion with some kind of facts, experience or knowledge on the matter. Or will seek out those that have that. One of the reasons why I find is so fascinating about debating politics on a swingers forum is you get such a wide cross section of views and society that you might not otherwise encounter. OK, so it may be a bit monocultural on here, but the social-political spectrum is much wider then I generally encounter. Google what Asimov said in 1980 about the "Cult of ignorance"... it is scarily accurate to what is going on today... a quote in part: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" -Matt Again I agree mostly. But the quote goes against democracy though. Who decides who is ignorant? The " experts"? But some things aren't black or white. Some benefit from membership of the EU. Others haven't. After listening from "experts" on both sides, why would you expect the public to have confidence in these people? The " experts" should learn from this feedback to improve their practice. We all made a decision. Some were more considered than others. That doesn't make their opinion more worthy than others. Ahhh.. but that is the whole point of the Parliamentary Democracy we have in this country. You and I *don't* know enough about the details of all of the issues and so we elect a representative whose job it is to go through all this detail and consult those they need to consult to come to an informed decision to adequately represent us. Now, you can argue whether that process works or not, or has been corrupted or not... but the point is that our democracy is designed to deal with ignorance. And as for the "experts" why do you hold them at fault here? Surely it was the politicians and their (mis)use of information from the experts. Case in point is the £350M figure. Despite it being utterly debunked and every 'expert' saying the number was inaccurate the politicians continued to use it. The same happened with the Junior Doctors issue and the death rate at weekends. Despite politicians mis-reading the statistics and being repeatedly warned that the numbers they were using were misleading, they went ahead and used them. Repeatedly. What exactly are you proposing that the 'experts' do or learn from this? Other than mistrust politicians? As for your assertion that an opinion less considered than others is still as worthy... I don't know. If you take that to it's conclusion you end up with that is happening in the US with Trump. He can tweet some complete and utter bollocks, yet somehow his 'opinion' is still as valid as one that has some kind of thought gone into it? He says "We are going to build a solid wall right across the border" and somehow his opinion is as valid as that of someone who has actually taken time to work out the costs and feasibility of such a proposal? -Matt" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. | |||
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"I think one problem is people making predictions without qualifying it with the uncertainty - or the media reporting it that way. There is no way one can predict economic futures with much certainty - the system is too chaotic for that. But some general trends have come true and followed the predicted direction - the pound did drop in value after the vote, just not to the extent some had predicted." The pound has dropped significantly and we have not yet left. If you did not buy USD before the referendum don't despair, you may not have the same opportunity for profits of those who sold sterling early, but you still have time to get a good reward. The pound will fall if/when Article 50 is invoked and it will suffer ups (and mainly) downs until the day arrives when he UK formally leaves and is swimming alone in the North Sea. Buy USD and AUD now. | |||
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"Under what circumstances would an expert with whom you disagreed be acceptable? some one who produced a long balanced argument picking apart both sides in an honest way, acknowledging that there was good and bad points from each and perhaps producing two results from following the different paths and finishing by saying on balance I support this route. Both sides in the debate should hang their heads in shame in the bull they told the public I don't disagree with the quality of debate that was displayed. However, the implication is that an expert should only provide neutral data. Surely they should also give their opinion too otherwise they aren't providing any advice..." Sorry but perhaps if you reread what I put you will see that nowhere have I said they should only provide neutral date, I said discuss both sides of the picture and pick apart the good and bad then come to a conclusion | |||
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" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. " The answer is most definitely yes, the crash was caused by financial"experts" who were lining their own/companies profits. Despite asking many times I have yet to hear of one expert working for any government/financial authority that predicted the crash that said stop we are heading for a crash, as for the reason perhaps its arrogance or just the fact they arent as clever as they think they are. The desperation of some on here to protect these failed experts who support their views is really sad actually its very worrying, they twist any criticism of any expert into you "hate" all experts.Many experts are very very good at what they do the difference between those that are good and those that arent is the fact that those that are good have open inquiring minds the arrogant ones just think they know it all and ignore any evidence that they dont like and blindly carry on with the I'm right youre wrong attitude | |||
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"Under what circumstances would an expert with whom you disagreed be acceptable? some one who produced a long balanced argument picking apart both sides in an honest way, acknowledging that there was good and bad points from each and perhaps producing two results from following the different paths and finishing by saying on balance I support this route. Both sides in the debate should hang their heads in shame in the bull they told the public I don't disagree with the quality of debate that was displayed. However, the implication is that an expert should only provide neutral data. Surely they should also give their opinion too otherwise they aren't providing any advice... Sorry but perhaps if you reread what I put you will see that nowhere have I said they should only provide neutral date, I said discuss both sides of the picture and pick apart the good and bad then come to a conclusion" You are correct. Apologies. I have seen that though. The Economist did that regularly but came out very clearly to remain. | |||
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" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. The answer is most definitely yes, the crash was caused by financial"experts" who were lining their own/companies profits. Despite asking many times I have yet to hear of one expert working for any government/financial authority that predicted the crash that said stop we are heading for a crash, as for the reason perhaps its arrogance or just the fact they arent as clever as they think they are. The desperation of some on here to protect these failed experts who support their views is really sad actually its very worrying, they twist any criticism of any expert into you "hate" all experts.Many experts are very very good at what they do the difference between those that are good and those that arent is the fact that those that are good have open inquiring minds the arrogant ones just think they know it all and ignore any evidence that they dont like and blindly carry on with the I'm right youre wrong attitude " There were many, but they were just stopping the cheap credit party that we were ALL enjoying. Here's a start: https://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on Of course, hardly anyone believes them at the time... | |||
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" There were many, but they were just stopping the cheap credit party that we were ALL enjoying. Here's a start: https://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on Of course, hardly anyone believes them at the time..." You are right they did warn of the crash and were ignored and we know why, snouts and troughs, some intersting links on the page including " after brexit, 5 ways to fudge an economy" the article didnt think it would be anywhere as bad as the crash was. Thanks for the link will look out for more from them, less sensalation than lots of sources | |||
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" In this regard, I think the brexit ers are just burying their heads in the sand and are certainly guilty of being overdefensive about bad ideas to the point of rejecting anything that can be considered factual or highly probable just to suit their argument. That is a mental weakness that I can't tolerate. " In this regard, I think that the Remainers are just burying their heads in the sand and ... | |||
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"There are experts in many fields. Economics is not one of them. It is a social science based on many variables and beliefs." Polling experts is another area now where they seem to be consistently wrong on a regular basis (the general election, the EU referendum and the Presidential election in the USA). | |||
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" Being Rational... I can't respect the views of people who don't think for themselves. " This part of your post seems to fit into place with many Remainers, who don't think for themselves and take the opinion of experts at face value, without looking at things like track record or how they have performed in the past on making predictions (such as the topic of this thread the IMF have been consistently wrong in many of their past predictions). | |||
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"There are experts in many fields. Economics is not one of them. It is a social science based on many variables and beliefs." My view exactly. It's 42% algebra, 58% voodoo. Economists are usually very good at analysing post-hoc or explaining what is happening at the moment but we have seen time and time again too many of them make wrong predictions. | |||
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" Being Rational... I can't respect the views of people who don't think for themselves. This part of your post seems to fit into place with many Remainers, who don't think for themselves and take the opinion of experts at face value, without looking at things like track record or how they have performed in the past on making predictions (such as the topic of this thread the IMF have been consistently wrong in many of their past predictions). " Yep. A bit like waving you cock at a chambermaid and predicting you'd get away with it. | |||
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" Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson... " You are right..... however I bet they all now hire experts to keep them in the life they are now accustomed to
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" Lack of education didn't harm Lord Sugar, Simon Cowell or Richard Branson..." Branson came from a wealthy family, if he wasn't dyslexic he might have continued his expensive private education. Cowell was also privately educated and was already working in the music industry he got his big break by working for Simon Fuller. . I'll give you Sugar. | |||
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" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. The answer is most definitely yes, the crash was caused by financial"experts" who were lining their own/companies profits. Despite asking many times I have yet to hear of one expert working for any government/financial authority that predicted the crash that said stop we are heading for a crash, as for the reason perhaps its arrogance or just the fact they arent as clever as they think they are. The desperation of some on here to protect these failed experts who support their views is really sad actually its very worrying, they twist any criticism of any expert into you "hate" all experts.Many experts are very very good at what they do the difference between those that are good and those that arent is the fact that those that are good have open inquiring minds the arrogant ones just think they know it all and ignore any evidence that they dont like and blindly carry on with the I'm right youre wrong attitude There were many, but they were just stopping the cheap credit party that we were ALL enjoying. Here's a start: https://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on Of course, hardly anyone believes them at the time..." Giving a lecture at Harvard university In 1998, Gordon Brown warned of the possibility of a financial crisis,due to the lack of controls,and regulation within the financial sector. Nobody listened to him either. As robka said,too many experts with their noses in the trough, acting out of self interest, And greed, to consider,or care about the dire consequences for the rest of us. So is it any wonder,many are now more likely to be suspicious of their motivation, than attach any credence,or respect to their opinions. Mark Carney apart Having read this thread. it seems some remain voters,have become so detached from reality. They think having a university degree,should somehow add value to their vote. When in reality,they should grow up, Show some respect for democracy, And have a little faith in Britain. You lost,get over it. | |||
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" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. The answer is most definitely yes, the crash was caused by financial"experts" who were lining their own/companies profits. Despite asking many times I have yet to hear of one expert working for any government/financial authority that predicted the crash that said stop we are heading for a crash, as for the reason perhaps its arrogance or just the fact they arent as clever as they think they are. The desperation of some on here to protect these failed experts who support their views is really sad actually its very worrying, they twist any criticism of any expert into you "hate" all experts.Many experts are very very good at what they do the difference between those that are good and those that arent is the fact that those that are good have open inquiring minds the arrogant ones just think they know it all and ignore any evidence that they dont like and blindly carry on with the I'm right youre wrong attitude There were many, but they were just stopping the cheap credit party that we were ALL enjoying. Here's a start: https://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on Of course, hardly anyone believes them at the time... Giving a lecture at Harvard university In 1998, Gordon Brown warned of the possibility of a financial crisis,due to the lack of controls,and regulation within the financial sector. Nobody listened to him either. As robka said,too many experts with their noses in the trough, acting out of self interest, And greed, to consider,or care about the dire consequences for the rest of us. So is it any wonder,many are now more likely to be suspicious of their motivation, than attach any credence,or respect to their opinions. Mark Carney apart Having read this thread. it seems some remain voters,have become so detached from reality. They think having a university degree,should somehow add value to their vote. When in reality,they should grow up, Show some respect for democracy, And have a little faith in Britain. You lost,get over it. " I have no faith in a future Britain without experts. If that happens, then everyone in the country will have lost. I haven't seen anyone suggest that people with a degree add value to a vote. All that was said was that the people who attack experts, tend not to have high academic achievement, or be an expert in anything themselves. Not all people without degrees attack experts, just a small minority. I dont know why these same people are so preoccupied with attacking economic experts, forgetting that voting to leave also ignored policing experts, ignored defence experts, ignored intelligence experts, environmental experts, farming experts, research experts, academic experts and more. | |||
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" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. The answer is most definitely yes, the crash was caused by financial"experts" who were lining their own/companies profits. Despite asking many times I have yet to hear of one expert working for any government/financial authority that predicted the crash that said stop we are heading for a crash, as for the reason perhaps its arrogance or just the fact they arent as clever as they think they are. The desperation of some on here to protect these failed experts who support their views is really sad actually its very worrying, they twist any criticism of any expert into you "hate" all experts.Many experts are very very good at what they do the difference between those that are good and those that arent is the fact that those that are good have open inquiring minds the arrogant ones just think they know it all and ignore any evidence that they dont like and blindly carry on with the I'm right youre wrong attitude There were many, but they were just stopping the cheap credit party that we were ALL enjoying. Here's a start: https://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on Of course, hardly anyone believes them at the time... Giving a lecture at Harvard university In 1998, Gordon Brown warned of the possibility of a financial crisis,due to the lack of controls,and regulation within the financial sector. Nobody listened to him either. As robka said,too many experts with their noses in the trough, acting out of self interest, And greed, to consider,or care about the dire consequences for the rest of us. So is it any wonder,many are now more likely to be suspicious of their motivation, than attach any credence,or respect to their opinions. Mark Carney apart Having read this thread. it seems some remain voters,have become so detached from reality. They think having a university degree,should somehow add value to their vote. When in reality,they should grow up, Show some respect for democracy, And have a little faith in Britain. You lost,get over it. I have no faith in a future Britain without experts. If that happens, then everyone in the country will have lost. I haven't seen anyone suggest that people with a degree add value to a vote. All that was said was that the people who attack experts, tend not to have high academic achievement, or be an expert in anything themselves. Not all people without degrees attack experts, just a small minority. I dont know why these same people are so preoccupied with attacking economic experts, forgetting that voting to leave also ignored policing experts, ignored defence experts, ignored intelligence experts, environmental experts, farming experts, research experts, academic experts and more." Hallelujah at last something we agree on. I have no faith in a future Britain without experts. Britain needs experts. Although the experts,who act out of self interest,And greed. Who have an agenda, who are dishonest, And misrepresent the facts,depending on who pays their wages. Those experts we can do without, the rest can stay. Even an unintelligent,imbecile brexiteer,knows we need experts. | |||
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" I'll start by saying I don't hate experts. Some people on this thread seem to think,if you criticise one expert,you're criticising them all That's not me. Now I have a question, 3 actually did experts cause the recent worldwide financial crisis. . Do some experts work with an agenda,determined by who pays their wages. . Do some experts just get it monumentally wrong,due to them being considerably less expert than they think they are, maybe due to their arrogance. If the answers yes,they are the experts I hate. If the answers no,please explain, and please keep it simple. The answer is most definitely yes, the crash was caused by financial"experts" who were lining their own/companies profits. Despite asking many times I have yet to hear of one expert working for any government/financial authority that predicted the crash that said stop we are heading for a crash, as for the reason perhaps its arrogance or just the fact they arent as clever as they think they are. The desperation of some on here to protect these failed experts who support their views is really sad actually its very worrying, they twist any criticism of any expert into you "hate" all experts.Many experts are very very good at what they do the difference between those that are good and those that arent is the fact that those that are good have open inquiring minds the arrogant ones just think they know it all and ignore any evidence that they dont like and blindly carry on with the I'm right youre wrong attitude There were many, but they were just stopping the cheap credit party that we were ALL enjoying. Here's a start: https://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on Of course, hardly anyone believes them at the time... Giving a lecture at Harvard university In 1998, Gordon Brown warned of the possibility of a financial crisis,due to the lack of controls,and regulation within the financial sector. Nobody listened to him either. As robka said,too many experts with their noses in the trough, acting out of self interest, And greed, to consider,or care about the dire consequences for the rest of us. So is it any wonder,many are now more likely to be suspicious of their motivation, than attach any credence,or respect to their opinions. Mark Carney apart Having read this thread. it seems some remain voters,have become so detached from reality. They think having a university degree,should somehow add value to their vote. When in reality,they should grow up, Show some respect for democracy, And have a little faith in Britain. You lost,get over it. I have no faith in a future Britain without experts. If that happens, then everyone in the country will have lost. I haven't seen anyone suggest that people with a degree add value to a vote. All that was said was that the people who attack experts, tend not to have high academic achievement, or be an expert in anything themselves. Not all people without degrees attack experts, just a small minority. I dont know why these same people are so preoccupied with attacking economic experts, forgetting that voting to leave also ignored policing experts, ignored defence experts, ignored intelligence experts, environmental experts, farming experts, research experts, academic experts and more." Most of those experts don't live in Forgotten Britain. | |||
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" Most of those experts don't live in Forgotten Britain. " And most are too busy protecting their own little life style, the so called experts in farming and the environment could grow enough to feed a village | |||
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" Most of those experts don't live in Forgotten Britain. And most are too busy protecting their own little life style, the so called experts in farming and the environment could grow enough to feed a village " Just out of interest, UK agricultural production has greatly increased since 1945. How did we do it if not with experts? I assume you won't say magic | |||
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" Most of those experts don't live in Forgotten Britain. And most are too busy protecting their own little life style, the so called experts in farming and the environment could grow enough to feed a village Just out of interest, UK agricultural production has greatly increased since 1945. How did we do it if not with experts? I assume you won't say magic "Farmers grow food and rear animals,they are "experts" and virtually all advances come from within the industry via a farmer trying something new, then you have acedemics working in the industry that test and develop advances, they arent the "experts" that pronounce we should stay, take the NFU for instance they wanted to remain why? Because it is dominated by big farmers that have the time to sit on committees etc and are keen to keep their direct payments, the average age is now pushing 60 and that is no good for a progressive industry, I grew up on a farm which I now own and it still provides the biggest single percentage of my turnover but its a small percent of my profit, the way the EU and government and self proclaimed experts bugger the job up is unbelievable | |||
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" Most of those experts don't live in Forgotten Britain. And most are too busy protecting their own little life style, the so called experts in farming and the environment could grow enough to feed a village Just out of interest, UK agricultural production has greatly increased since 1945. How did we do it if not with experts? I assume you won't say magic
Farmers grow food and rear animals,they are "experts" and virtually all advances come from within the industry via a farmer trying something new, then you have acedemics working in the industry that test and develop advances, they arent the "experts" that pronounce we should stay, take the NFU for instance they wanted to remain why? Because it is dominated by big farmers that have the time to sit on committees etc and are keen to keep their direct payments, the average age is now pushing 60 and that is no good for a progressive industry, I grew up on a farm which I now own and it still provides the biggest single percentage of my turnover but its a small percent of my profit, the way the EU and government and self proclaimed experts bugger the job up is unbelievable "Fair enough. I doubt myself that it's as simple as 'farmers good, academics useless' and suggest that it's actually down to a massive effort by both farmers and academics, all of whom are experts. Your approach above seems to suggest that academics have no role to play unless I've misread it? Does that just extend to farming or to all academics?  | |||
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" Fair enough. I doubt myself that it's as simple as 'farmers good, academics useless' and suggest that it's actually down to a massive effort by both farmers and academics, all of whom are experts. Your approach above seems to suggest that academics have no role to play unless I've misread it? Does that just extend to farming or to all academics? "No I said the academics test and develop the ideas,of course some do have their own ideas,to say otherwise would be silly, I have no problem with academics per se, but I believe too many at the top dont have practical knowledge and experience, I dont think that is restricted to ag or environmental sectors, | |||
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" I dont know why these same people are so preoccupied with attacking economic experts, forgetting that voting to leave also ignored policing experts, ignored defence experts, ignored intelligence experts, environmental experts, farming experts, research experts, academic experts and more." That would be because "economist" and "expert" is oxymoronic. As patiently explained, economists are social scientists. With predictions come a host of assumptions and beliefs. As for other experts, there were many backing Brexit, too. | |||
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" Fair enough. I doubt myself that it's as simple as 'farmers good, academics useless' and suggest that it's actually down to a massive effort by both farmers and academics, all of whom are experts. Your approach above seems to suggest that academics have no role to play unless I've misread it? Does that just extend to farming or to all academics?
No I said the academics test and develop the ideas,of course some do have their own ideas,to say otherwise would be silly, I have no problem with academics per se, but I believe too many at the top dont have practical knowledge and experience, I dont think that is restricted to ag or environmental sectors, "I think you are right and another area is the NHS. There are too many Managers, pen pushers and bureaucrats in the NHS, I'd like to see less of them and more Doctors and nurses on the front line. I'm not saying eliminate all the academics (managers and bureaucrats) altogether as some are needed but there does seem to be an imbalance at the moment, so more Doctors and nurses and less Managers and bureaucrats in the NHS would be a step in the right direction in my view. | |||
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