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"Hitler said: "Shout a lie long enough and loud enough and everyone will believe it." The right have been practising this for the last 30 odd years and continually prove it to be correct. "is that why some people think the EU is a good idea do you think? | |||
"Hitler said: "Shout a lie long enough and loud enough and everyone will believe it." The right have been practising this for the last 30 odd years and continually prove it to be correct. "Harold wilson "this will not affect the pound in your pocket" Gordon brown " no more boom and bust " Tony Blair "We know iraq has WMDs" Oops Lets face it, as megan trainor said and to paraphrase, if your a politican I can tell youre lying because your lips are moving | |||
" A senior BBC news editor told me that there was fierce debate among his colleagues about how they were reporting the Brexit referendum campaigns. They were conscious that that the Leave campaign, in particular, was putting out highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements either very late or very early in the day in order to have them reported in morning news programmes, knowing that fact checking and the need to modify or retract misleading statements would only come later in the day, by which time the statements would have done their job " But long after the £350m catch phrase had been proved to be false, I cannot recall seeing or hearing a single BBC interview with a Brexiter where they were not allowed to make the claim without it being thoroughly contradicted by the interviewer. The BBC have followed the tabloids' agenda for a number of years. Not necessarily parroting it but definitely letting the Mail and Sun shape the list of news items. Considering its probably still the best resourced news and current affairs organisation in the country it's pretty appalling how little investigation it does for itself. | |||
" A senior BBC news editor told me that there was fierce debate among his colleagues about how they were reporting the Brexit referendum campaigns. They were conscious that that the Leave campaign, in particular, was putting out highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements either very late or very early in the day in order to have them reported in morning news programmes, knowing that fact checking and the need to modify or retract misleading statements would only come later in the day, by which time the statements would have done their job But long after the £350m catch phrase had been proved to be false, I cannot recall seeing or hearing a single BBC interview with a Brexiter where they were not allowed to make the claim without it being thoroughly contradicted by the interviewer. The BBC have followed the tabloids' agenda for a number of years. Not necessarily parroting it but definitely letting the Mail and Sun shape the list of news items. Considering its probably still the best resourced news and current affairs organisation in the country it's pretty appalling how little investigation it does for itself." Strange. It was a claim thoroughly discredited by the BBC and others on many occasions. | |||
" A senior BBC news editor told me that there was fierce debate among his colleagues about how they were reporting the Brexit referendum campaigns. They were conscious that that the Leave campaign, in particular, was putting out highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements either very late or very early in the day in order to have them reported in morning news programmes, knowing that fact checking and the need to modify or retract misleading statements would only come later in the day, by which time the statements would have done their job But long after the £350m catch phrase had been proved to be false, I cannot recall seeing or hearing a single BBC interview with a Brexiter where they were not allowed to make the claim without it being thoroughly contradicted by the interviewer. The BBC have followed the tabloids' agenda for a number of years. Not necessarily parroting it but definitely letting the Mail and Sun shape the list of news items. Considering its probably still the best resourced news and current affairs organisation in the country it's pretty appalling how little investigation it does for itself. Strange. It was a claim thoroughly discredited by the BBC and others on many occasions." So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? | |||
" A senior BBC news editor told me that there was fierce debate among his colleagues about how they were reporting the Brexit referendum campaigns. They were conscious that that the Leave campaign, in particular, was putting out highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements either very late or very early in the day in order to have them reported in morning news programmes, knowing that fact checking and the need to modify or retract misleading statements would only come later in the day, by which time the statements would have done their job But long after the £350m catch phrase had been proved to be false, I cannot recall seeing or hearing a single BBC interview with a Brexiter where they were not allowed to make the claim without it being thoroughly contradicted by the interviewer. The BBC have followed the tabloids' agenda for a number of years. Not necessarily parroting it but definitely letting the Mail and Sun shape the list of news items. Considering its probably still the best resourced news and current affairs organisation in the country it's pretty appalling how little investigation it does for itself. Strange. It was a claim thoroughly discredited by the BBC and others on many occasions. So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? " You seem to think that Brexiters swallowed it all. The Remain campaign was equally skewed, was it not? | |||
" So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? " Perhaps they felt they had to use it to counter the rubbish put out by remain, | |||
" So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? Perhaps they felt they had to use it to counter the rubbish put out by remain, " Nah, he will never admit that the Remainers spouted as much crap. It was obviously the Brexiters who believed all the rubbish. They were the stupid gullible ones. | |||
" So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? Perhaps they felt they had to use it to counter the rubbish put out by remain, Nah, he will never admit that the Remainers spouted as much crap. It was obviously the Brexiters who believed all the rubbish. They were the stupid gullible ones." so it seems  | |||
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"Yes the Remain campaign did tell some untruths and exaggerated other stuff. They ran a lacklustre campaign and the Conservative campaigners were under orders not to attack Johnson, Gove etc. But the Brexiters had 2 campaigns: the official one which told untruths and exaggerated, and the unofficial Leave dot EU boot boys who did the official campaign's dirty work, running the downright nasty, vicious adverts and bullying social media." And who do you think people believed? Were the Brexiters stupid people who believed all the hype? Did the Remainers swallow all the crap thrown at them? | |||
" So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? Perhaps they felt they had to use it to counter the rubbish put out by remain, " So are you suggesting the leave campaign knowingly and willingly lied to the electorate in order the 'level the playing field' or something? And if so, you don't have any problem with that? -Matt | |||
"Yes the Remain campaign did tell some untruths and exaggerated other stuff. They ran a lacklustre campaign and the Conservative campaigners were under orders not to attack Johnson, Gove etc. But the Brexiters had 2 campaigns: the official one which told untruths and exaggerated, and the unofficial Leave dot EU boot boys who did the official campaign's dirty work, running the downright nasty, vicious adverts and bullying social media. And who do you think people believed? Were the Brexiters stupid people who believed all the hype? Did the Remainers swallow all the crap thrown at them?" I don't think I 'swallowed any crap' as a remain voter. But maybe I wasn't aware of it. What crap do you think the remain campaign put out there for swallowing? I mean, I think the remain campaign did a terrible job of educating the electorate on the issues coming up, but what lies did they tell? I'm genuinely interested as I can't think of any, but maybe I'm just blinkered. -Matt | |||
"Yes the Remain campaign did tell some untruths and exaggerated other stuff. They ran a lacklustre campaign and the Conservative campaigners were under orders not to attack Johnson, Gove etc. But the Brexiters had 2 campaigns: the official one which told untruths and exaggerated, and the unofficial Leave dot EU boot boys who did the official campaign's dirty work, running the downright nasty, vicious adverts and bullying social media. And who do you think people believed? Were the Brexiters stupid people who believed all the hype? Did the Remainers swallow all the crap thrown at them? I don't think I 'swallowed any crap' as a remain voter. But maybe I wasn't aware of it. What crap do you think the remain campaign put out there for swallowing? I mean, I think the remain campaign did a terrible job of educating the electorate on the issues coming up, but what lies did they tell? I'm genuinely interested as I can't think of any, but maybe I'm just blinkered. -Matt" Then you swallowed the whole of the Remain campaign. Did you even consider the political philosophy behind the EU? | |||
"Yes the Remain campaign did tell some untruths and exaggerated other stuff. They ran a lacklustre campaign and the Conservative campaigners were under orders not to attack Johnson, Gove etc. But the Brexiters had 2 campaigns: the official one which told untruths and exaggerated, and the unofficial Leave dot EU boot boys who did the official campaign's dirty work, running the downright nasty, vicious adverts and bullying social media. And who do you think people believed? Were the Brexiters stupid people who believed all the hype? Did the Remainers swallow all the crap thrown at them? I don't think I 'swallowed any crap' as a remain voter. But maybe I wasn't aware of it. What crap do you think the remain campaign put out there for swallowing? I mean, I think the remain campaign did a terrible job of educating the electorate on the issues coming up, but what lies did they tell? I'm genuinely interested as I can't think of any, but maybe I'm just blinkered. -Matt Then you swallowed the whole of the Remain campaign. Did you even consider the political philosophy behind the EU?" Yes I did. It is one of the main reasons I think we should be a part of the EU. So, just to re-iterate, what lies did the remain campaign tell that I might have accidentally swallowed? -Matt | |||
"Yes the Remain campaign did tell some untruths and exaggerated other stuff. They ran a lacklustre campaign and the Conservative campaigners were under orders not to attack Johnson, Gove etc. But the Brexiters had 2 campaigns: the official one which told untruths and exaggerated, and the unofficial Leave dot EU boot boys who did the official campaign's dirty work, running the downright nasty, vicious adverts and bullying social media. And who do you think people believed? Were the Brexiters stupid people who believed all the hype? Did the Remainers swallow all the crap thrown at them? I don't think I 'swallowed any crap' as a remain voter. But maybe I wasn't aware of it. What crap do you think the remain campaign put out there for swallowing? I mean, I think the remain campaign did a terrible job of educating the electorate on the issues coming up, but what lies did they tell? I'm genuinely interested as I can't think of any, but maybe I'm just blinkered. -Matt Then you swallowed the whole of the Remain campaign. Did you even consider the political philosophy behind the EU? Yes I did. It is one of the main reasons I think we should be a part of the EU. So, just to re-iterate, what lies did the remain campaign tell that I might have accidentally swallowed? -Matt" Then tell me what you think the political philosophy is behind the EU? | |||
" So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? Perhaps they felt they had to use it to counter the rubbish put out by remain, So are you suggesting the leave campaign knowingly and willingly lied to the electorate in order the 'level the playing field' or something? And if so, you don't have any problem with that? -Matt" Both sides were as bad as each other the same as clinton and trump were, two wrongs dont make a right. That is the major reason why voter turnout is so low and generally falling, they are fed up with politicians spinning and talking shite, remainers believe leavers fell for lies etc and leave voters believe the same of remainers, well so far we havent had a recession, half the international companies havent left, cameron didnt invoke art 50 and isnt still PM so will let you decide which lies have been proved so far | |||
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"OK so if we are acknowledging a degree of bullshit influenced the voters.... Does that not cast reasonable doubt on the outcome? Especially as the general considered prognosis is that leaving is economic suicide " Did the bullshit influence you? If not, why do you think it influenced anyone else? I am not sure where you get your generally considered prognosis from, mind. | |||
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"OK so if we are acknowledging a degree of bullshit influenced the voters.... Does that not cast reasonable doubt on the outcome? Especially as the general considered prognosis is that leaving is economic suicide " Well it is claimed that project fear stopped scottish independance and they tried it again with brexit and failed, I assume you didnt see the government funded leaflet that was sent to every home in the country that put the remain side only, if you were having a general election and you received a leaflet paid for by you, the tax payer which put the sitting government's side only and nothing from the offical opposition would you consider that democratic and fair ? | |||
" A senior BBC news editor told me that there was fierce debate among his colleagues about how they were reporting the Brexit referendum campaigns. They were conscious that that the Leave campaign, in particular, was putting out highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements either very late or very early in the day in order to have them reported in morning news programmes, knowing that fact checking and the need to modify or retract misleading statements would only come later in the day, by which time the statements would have done their job But long after the £350m catch phrase had been proved to be false, I cannot recall seeing or hearing a single BBC interview with a Brexiter where they were not allowed to make the claim without it being thoroughly contradicted by the interviewer. The BBC have followed the tabloids' agenda for a number of years. Not necessarily parroting it but definitely letting the Mail and Sun shape the list of news items. Considering its probably still the best resourced news and current affairs organisation in the country it's pretty appalling how little investigation it does for itself. Strange. It was a claim thoroughly discredited by the BBC and others on many occasions. So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? " Probably because it was irrelevant to the campaign . The battle was fought over border control and not allowing the EU to dictate laws to us. The NHS never even entered the equation. | |||
" A senior BBC news editor told me that there was fierce debate among his colleagues about how they were reporting the Brexit referendum campaigns. They were conscious that that the Leave campaign, in particular, was putting out highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements either very late or very early in the day in order to have them reported in morning news programmes, knowing that fact checking and the need to modify or retract misleading statements would only come later in the day, by which time the statements would have done their job But long after the £350m catch phrase had been proved to be false, I cannot recall seeing or hearing a single BBC interview with a Brexiter where they were not allowed to make the claim without it being thoroughly contradicted by the interviewer. The BBC have followed the tabloids' agenda for a number of years. Not necessarily parroting it but definitely letting the Mail and Sun shape the list of news items. Considering its probably still the best resourced news and current affairs organisation in the country it's pretty appalling how little investigation it does for itself. Strange. It was a claim thoroughly discredited by the BBC and others on many occasions. So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? Probably because it was irrelevant to the campaign . The battle was fought over border control and not allowing the EU to dictate laws to us. The NHS never even entered the equation. " So why lie about it? | |||
" So why, even after it has been proven to be a lie did the Leave campaign carry on saying it, and not repaint the bus? Was it because that continued lie helped their cause? They didn't care if it was a lie did they? Perhaps they felt they had to use it to counter the rubbish put out by remain, So are you suggesting the leave campaign knowingly and willingly lied to the electorate in order the 'level the playing field' or something? And if so, you don't have any problem with that? -Matt Both sides were as bad as each other the same as clinton and trump were, two wrongs dont make a right. That is the major reason why voter turnout is so low and generally falling, they are fed up with politicians spinning and talking shite, remainers believe leavers fell for lies etc and leave voters believe the same of remainers, well so far we havent had a recession, half the international companies havent left, cameron didnt invoke art 50 and isnt still PM so will let you decide which lies have been proved so far " OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt | |||
" OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt" Ah the good old well we havent left yet spin, strange how the remain campaign said the international banks car makers et al would up and leave, did you miss nissan saying they are staying and AFAIK not one company has said they are leaving. The economy is still growing despite claims and predictions it would go into reverse, did you miss the claim that war would be far more likely. Both sides used spin and exaggeration I can say that the claim to spend all 350 m on the NHS was stupid its strange how the remain voters seem to be unable to admit that the remain campaign were just as bad | |||
" OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt Ah the good old well we havent left yet spin, strange how the remain campaign said the international banks car makers et al would up and leave, did you miss nissan saying they are staying and AFAIK not one company has said they are leaving. The economy is still growing despite claims and predictions it would go into reverse, did you miss the claim that war would be far more likely. Both sides used spin and exaggeration I can say that the claim to spend all 350 m on the NHS was stupid its strange how the remain voters seem to be unable to admit that the remain campaign were just as bad " Nissan? Seriously?! That is the example you want to hold up as a beacon of honesty? The company that was considering pulling out of the UK until the government came in and made some under-the-table deal with them to stay, that we have no idea what was in that deal? Have you not read the very strongly worded warnings from large tech players like Facebook and Google about how important freedom of movement is in them staying here with their new investments? That Freedom of Movement that we are not going to allow. As for companies leaving the UK due to Brexit... just type that phrase into Google.. there are loads of them. Just the first one I plucked out the pile was a 122 year old Lincolnshire company Smiffys: "A major Lincolnshire employer has announced it is moving its headquarters to Europe as a direct result of the Brexit vote in June. Anxiety over the cost of a hard Brexit, which would see the UK drifting away from cooperation with the rest of the EU, has compelled Smiffys to open a new headquarters in the Netherlands." Is there a mass exodus of companies? No, it seems not. At least not at the moment, and hopefully it stays that way, but I fear we have the worst still to come. -Matt | |||
" OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt Ah the good old well we havent left yet spin, strange how the remain campaign said the international banks car makers et al would up and leave, did you miss nissan saying they are staying and AFAIK not one company has said they are leaving. The economy is still growing despite claims and predictions it would go into reverse, did you miss the claim that war would be far more likely. Both sides used spin and exaggeration I can say that the claim to spend all 350 m on the NHS was stupid its strange how the remain voters seem to be unable to admit that the remain campaign were just as bad Nissan? Seriously?! That is the example you want to hold up as a beacon of honesty? The company that was considering pulling out of the UK until the government came in and made some under-the-table deal with them to stay, that we have no idea what was in that deal? Have you not read the very strongly worded warnings from large tech players like Facebook and Google about how important freedom of movement is in them staying here with their new investments? That Freedom of Movement that we are not going to allow. As for companies leaving the UK due to Brexit... just type that phrase into Google.. there are loads of them. Just the first one I plucked out the pile was a 122 year old Lincolnshire company Smiffys: "A major Lincolnshire employer has announced it is moving its headquarters to Europe as a direct result of the Brexit vote in June. Anxiety over the cost of a hard Brexit, which would see the UK drifting away from cooperation with the rest of the EU, has compelled Smiffys to open a new headquarters in the Netherlands." Is there a mass exodus of companies? No, it seems not. At least not at the moment, and hopefully it stays that way, but I fear we have the worst still to come. -Matt" NO one knows what was said to nissan. As for google andfacebook both have announced new investment here that COULD lead to7500 jobs, just the well paid ones that the clever people say we need, from the article I googled it was other tech companies that were worried about freedom of movement due to lack of staff,perhaps british companies need to start training their own staff,sadiq kahn said it showed london was still the tech capital of europe   | |||
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" NO one knows what was said to nissan. " Exactly. Yet, you chose to use that an example of honesty with regards to claims. A deal that no-one knows the contents of. " As for google andfacebook both have announced new investment here that COULD lead to7500 jobs, just the well paid ones that the clever people say we need, from the article I googled it was other tech companies that were worried about freedom of movement due to lack of staff,perhaps british companies need to start training their own staff,sadiq kahn said it showed london was still the tech capital of europe "Well in the case of Google they worded it as strongly as they could that they see freedom of movement as being a very important issue: from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37988095 "Sundar Pichai, the chief executive of Google, told the BBC that the UK was still an attractive place to do business. He said open borders and free movement for skilled migrants were "absolutely" important to the success of the technology sector in the UK." ... "I want to be respectful," he answered. "These are important questions for the citizens of the UK to answer. "I think there are thoughtful debates to be had. "In our experience as a company, when we have been able to bring people together and operate in an open and connected way it achieves tremendous impact over time. "Those are the values we cherish, and we have been open and public about how we think about these things. "When I look at London [I see] a place in which we are able to attract great talent, find great talent in the UK, thanks to a great educational system here, but it has also been a place where people are willing to come from anywhere in the world. "Increasingly, for the kinds of complex things we do, we need to bring people who are across many disciplines - with many different backgrounds - together to solve problems. That's how you can build newer things, so that is particularly important for us." -Matt | |||
" OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt Ah the good old well we havent left yet spin, strange how the remain campaign said the international banks car makers et al would up and leave, did you miss nissan saying they are staying and AFAIK not one company has said they are leaving. The economy is still growing despite claims and predictions it would go into reverse, did you miss the claim that war would be far more likely. Both sides used spin and exaggeration I can say that the claim to spend all 350 m on the NHS was stupid its strange how the remain voters seem to be unable to admit that the remain campaign were just as bad Nissan? Seriously?! That is the example you want to hold up as a beacon of honesty? The company that was considering pulling out of the UK until the government came in and made some under-the-table deal with them to stay, that we have no idea what was in that deal? Have you not read the very strongly worded warnings from large tech players like Facebook and Google about how important freedom of movement is in them staying here with their new investments? That Freedom of Movement that we are not going to allow. As for companies leaving the UK due to Brexit... just type that phrase into Google.. there are loads of them. Just the first one I plucked out the pile was a 122 year old Lincolnshire company Smiffys: "A major Lincolnshire employer has announced it is moving its headquarters to Europe as a direct result of the Brexit vote in June. Anxiety over the cost of a hard Brexit, which would see the UK drifting away from cooperation with the rest of the EU, has compelled Smiffys to open a new headquarters in the Netherlands." Is there a mass exodus of companies? No, it seems not. At least not at the moment, and hopefully it stays that way, but I fear we have the worst still to come. -Matt" The move of a headquarters is hardly going to harm us. Tbe distribution cente etc is still in the Uk . You forgot to mention the 10000 proposed new jobs at Jaguar. | |||
" NO one knows what was said to nissan. Exactly. Yet, you chose to use that an example of honesty with regards to claims. A deal that no-one knows the contents of. As for google andfacebook both have announced new investment here that COULD lead to7500 jobs, just the well paid ones that the clever people say we need, from the article I googled it was other tech companies that were worried about freedom of movement due to lack of staff,perhaps british companies need to start training their own staff,sadiq kahn said it showed london was still the tech capital of europe
Well in the case of Google they worded it as strongly as they could that they see freedom of movement as being a very important issue:
from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37988095
"Sundar Pichai, the chief executive of Google, told the BBC that the UK was still an attractive place to do business.
He said open borders and free movement for skilled migrants were "absolutely" important to the success of the technology sector in the UK."
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"I want to be respectful," he answered.
"These are important questions for the citizens of the UK to answer.
"I think there are thoughtful debates to be had.
"In our experience as a company, when we have been able to bring people together and operate in an open and connected way it achieves tremendous impact over time.
"Those are the values we cherish, and we have been open and public about how we think about these things.
"When I look at London [I see] a place in which we are able to attract great talent, find great talent in the UK, thanks to a great educational system here, but it has also been a place where people are willing to come from anywhere in the world.
"Increasingly, for the kinds of complex things we do, we need to bring people who are across many disciplines - with many different backgrounds - together to solve problems. That's how you can build newer things, so that is particularly important for us."
-Matt"I dont have a problem with any of his statement,if we need people we need them, what the uk needs to do is to skill people up to do all the jobs that we have to offer and to value them all | |||
" You forgot to mention the 10000 proposed new jobs at Jaguar." Jaguar are looking at Nissan and they have indicated they want a sweetheart deal as well. | |||
" You forgot to mention the 10000 proposed new jobs at Jaguar. Jaguar are looking at Nissan and they have indicated they want a sweetheart deal as well." Can you tell me what this deal is ? | |||
" You forgot to mention the 10000 proposed new jobs at Jaguar. Jaguar are looking at Nissan and they have indicated they want a sweetheart deal as well. Can you tell me what this deal is ? " The deal is tax payers indirectly paying for very expensive infrastructure projects around these particular factories.....very much in the same way that many European countries have been doing for many years......our infrastructure is very poor compared to many parts of Europe. | |||
" OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt Ah the good old well we havent left yet spin, strange how the remain campaign said the international banks car makers et al would up and leave, did you miss nissan saying they are staying and AFAIK not one company has said they are leaving. The economy is still growing despite claims and predictions it would go into reverse, did you miss the claim that war would be far more likely. Both sides used spin and exaggeration I can say that the claim to spend all 350 m on the NHS was stupid its strange how the remain voters seem to be unable to admit that the remain campaign were just as bad Nissan? Seriously?! That is the example you want to hold up as a beacon of honesty? The company that was considering pulling out of the UK until the government came in and made some under-the-table deal with them to stay, that we have no idea what was in that deal? Have you not read the very strongly worded warnings from large tech players like Facebook and Google about how important freedom of movement is in them staying here with their new investments? That Freedom of Movement that we are not going to allow. As for companies leaving the UK due to Brexit... just type that phrase into Google.. there are loads of them. Just the first one I plucked out the pile was a 122 year old Lincolnshire company Smiffys: "A major Lincolnshire employer has announced it is moving its headquarters to Europe as a direct result of the Brexit vote in June. Anxiety over the cost of a hard Brexit, which would see the UK drifting away from cooperation with the rest of the EU, has compelled Smiffys to open a new headquarters in the Netherlands." Is there a mass exodus of companies? No, it seems not. At least not at the moment, and hopefully it stays that way, but I fear we have the worst still to come. -Matt The move of a headquarters is hardly going to harm us. Tbe distribution cente etc is still in the Uk . You forgot to mention the 10000 proposed new jobs at Jaguar." They are not 'proposed Jaguar jobs' though.....they are jobs at Jaguar AND other companies who directly supply Jaguar, and companies who supply services to Jaguar. And the actual Jaguar jobs (around 6,000) are spread over the next five to seven years. Considering Jaguar shed over a thousand jobs in 2012/13 it's not exactly a substantial move.... | |||
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" OK. So most of those 'lies' you've mentioned above were predicted results from f what would happen when we left. We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered article 50 which the government promised to do the day after but then didn't. Anything else? As in any actual things that you could point to right now and say was a lie. Bonus if you can actually back it up with more than heresay. -Matt Ah the good old well we havent left yet spin, strange how the remain campaign said the international banks car makers et al would up and leave, did you miss nissan saying they are staying and AFAIK not one company has said they are leaving. The economy is still growing despite claims and predictions it would go into reverse, did you miss the claim that war would be far more likely. Both sides used spin and exaggeration I can say that the claim to spend all 350 m on the NHS was stupid its strange how the remain voters seem to be unable to admit that the remain campaign were just as bad Nissan? Seriously?! That is the example you want to hold up as a beacon of honesty? The company that was considering pulling out of the UK until the government came in and made some under-the-table deal with them to stay, that we have no idea what was in that deal? Have you not read the very strongly worded warnings from large tech players like Facebook and Google about how important freedom of movement is in them staying here with their new investments? That Freedom of Movement that we are not going to allow. As for companies leaving the UK due to Brexit... just type that phrase into Google.. there are loads of them. Just the first one I plucked out the pile was a 122 year old Lincolnshire company Smiffys: "A major Lincolnshire employer has announced it is moving its headquarters to Europe as a direct result of the Brexit vote in June. Anxiety over the cost of a hard Brexit, which would see the UK drifting away from cooperation with the rest of the EU, has compelled Smiffys to open a new headquarters in the Netherlands." Is there a mass exodus of companies? No, it seems not. At least not at the moment, and hopefully it stays that way, but I fear we have the worst still to come. -Matt" Why would Nissan have been considering moving out of the Uk..They have excellent manufacturing site with high productivity . Why would they even consider leaving the Uk. ? | |||
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