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"It's nice to know that the EU are looking out for our rights when our own PM isn't. However I do wonder if this is will ever happen and what form it will take. I wonder how many of the Leave voters on here would sign up for themselves to benefit from free movement rather than visas, most I would imagine." I wouldn't out of principle ! I'd be a hypocrite if I did ! | |||
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"It's nice to know that the EU are looking out for our rights when our own PM isn't. However I do wonder if this is will ever happen and what form it will take. I wonder how many of the Leave voters on here would sign up for themselves to benefit from free movement rather than visas, most I would imagine. I wouldn't out of principle ! I'd be a hypocrite if I did !" Well you are more principled than some  Nigel Farage sorted out his German citizenship just days after the referendum. | |||
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"It's a shame there is no way of knowing who voted for who... because I think it would have been quite funny if they only gave it to those who voted remain..... Could you imagine the looks you would get whilst strolling through airport border controls in certain countries "ye, half of Europe would be laughing at the people who voted to remain | |||
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"It's a shame there is no way of knowing who voted for who... because I think it would have been quite funny if they only gave it to those who voted remain..... Could you imagine the looks you would get whilst strolling through airport border controls in certain countries
ye, half of Europe would be laughing at the people who voted to remain"So would you get EU citizenship to allow you to travel to Spain, or would you prefer to pay and apply for a visa? | |||
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"It's a shame there is no way of knowing who voted for who... because I think it would have been quite funny if they only gave it to those who voted remain..... Could you imagine the looks you would get whilst strolling through airport border controls in certain countries
ye, half of Europe would be laughing at the people who voted to remain
So would you get EU citizenship to allow you to travel to Spain, or would you prefer to pay and apply for a visa? "get real, there will be no visa charges for Europeans to travel around Europe. Why would the EU want to damage tourism, especially in countries that depend on it | |||
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"Of course there won't be a visa just a tourist tax if you hold a uk passport.Many countries make you pay on departure.Standard practice .It will benefit spain and greece with extra income." good for them 
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"It's a shame there is no way of knowing who voted for who... because I think it would have been quite funny if they only gave it to those who voted remain..... Could you imagine the looks you would get whilst strolling through airport border controls in certain countries
ye, half of Europe would be laughing at the people who voted to remain
So would you get EU citizenship to allow you to travel to Spain, or would you prefer to pay and apply for a visa?
get real, there will be no visa charges for Europeans to travel around Europe. Why would the EU want to damage tourism, especially in countries that depend on it"So they are going to allow free movement of UK citizens, but the UK isn't going to allow free movement of EU citizens? Call me pessimistic, but that sounds just a tad unlikely to me. | |||
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"Of course there won't be a visa just a tourist tax if you hold a uk passport.Many countries make you pay on departure.Standard practice .It will benefit spain and greece with extra income." There is already a local tourist tax, certainly in France and Austria its too long since I visited spain to remember | |||
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"It's nice to know that the EU are looking out for our rights when our own PM isn't. However I do wonder if this is will ever happen and what form it will take. I wonder how many of the Leave voters on here would sign up for themselves to benefit from free movement rather than visas, most I would imagine." Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway | |||
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"It's nice to know that the EU are looking out for our rights when our own PM isn't. However I do wonder if this is will ever happen and what form it will take. I wonder how many of the Leave voters on here would sign up for themselves to benefit from free movement rather than visas, most I would imagine. Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway" How would it stir up trouble? | |||
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"It's a shame there is no way of knowing who voted for who... because I think it would have been quite funny if they only gave it to those who voted remain..... Could you imagine the looks you would get whilst strolling through airport border controls in certain countries
ye, half of Europe would be laughing at the people who voted to remain
So would you get EU citizenship to allow you to travel to Spain, or would you prefer to pay and apply for a visa?
get real, there will be no visa charges for Europeans to travel around Europe. Why would the EU want to damage tourism, especially in countries that depend on it
So they are going to allow free movement of UK citizens, but the UK isn't going to allow free movement of EU citizens? Call me pessimistic, but that sounds just a tad unlikely to me."It is not about free movement, it is about free movement of labour  | |||
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"It's nice to know that the EU are looking out for our rights when our own PM isn't. However I do wonder if this is will ever happen and what form it will take. I wonder how many of the Leave voters on here would sign up for themselves to benefit from free movement rather than visas, most I would imagine. Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway How would it stir up trouble?" Stir up trouble here among those here who want soft/hard or no brexit to try and divide and rule, funny I thought the uk was going to have NO special deals yet now the chief eu man for the negeotiatons is offering free access and hasnt asked for it in return ???? Come get real  | |||
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People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated? | |||
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" Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway" Read that back to yourself in the context of the AC Grayling letter in the other thread | |||
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" Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway Read that back to yourself in the context of the AC Grayling letter in the other thread "Would that be the a c grayling who is an ardent remainer and complains about the slogans of leave but seems to be unable to find the ones from remain | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated? "I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general | |||
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" Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway Read that back to yourself in the context of the AC Grayling letter in the other thread
Would that be the a c grayling who is an ardent remainer and complains about the slogans of leave but seems to be unable to find the ones from remain "Yes the philosophy professor with a keen understanding of history, politics and economics | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general " A very interesting post and my thoughts exactly. A lot of remainers appear to be only interested in the so called Financial impact on themselves and display a calleous indifference towards the future of the country . | |||
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" Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway Read that back to yourself in the context of the AC Grayling letter in the other thread
Would that be the a c grayling who is an ardent remainer and complains about the slogans of leave but seems to be unable to find the ones from remain
Yes the philosophy professor with a keen understanding of history, politics and economics
"The philosophy professor with a keen like for centre-left policies. Yet another expert, eh? | |||
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" Or of course its a cynical political statement to stir up trouble and it has lots of hurdles to get over yet anyway Read that back to yourself in the context of the AC Grayling letter in the other thread
Would that be the a c grayling who is an ardent remainer and complains about the slogans of leave but seems to be unable to find the ones from remain
Yes the philosophy professor with a keen understanding of history, politics and economics
"Are you saying he is not a strong remain supporter and wants brexit stopped ? | |||
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"You are displaying the exact style of anti-intellectualism that people are talking about in a post truth world. Experts know nothing, forget the numbers they are made up but trust your instincts and act emotionally... Or is that "react"? " Ah the good old I'm clever and you're a thick old racist line, try answering the question is he a strident remain voter that wants the vote overturned ? | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general A very interesting post and my thoughts exactly. A lot of remainers appear to be only interested in the so called Financial impact on themselves and display a calleous indifference towards the future of the country . "that would be an interesting statement and position for those people who voted to leave...... except the facts and statistics don't show that! the majority of those people under 30 voted to remain... and in fact the younger the age of the voter, the more likely they were to have voted remain.... so you get older people saying "well, i voted leave for my kids and grandkids sakes" and yet most of the kids/grandkids are saying "don't say you did it in our name" and in a lot of cases "you have deprived me of the very oppotunities you had"...... I don't think that is an avenue you want to wander down... | |||
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"You are displaying the exact style of anti-intellectualism that people are talking about in a post truth world. Experts know nothing, forget the numbers they are made up but trust your instincts and act emotionally... Or is that "react"? Ah the good old I'm clever and you're a thick old racist line, try answering the question is he a strident remain voter that wants the vote overturned ? " No... How can you be accurate in your opinion if you don't understand the economics? And how can you understand the economics if you ignore the numbers? | |||
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"OK I'll answer your question yes is. Now answer mine.... Does that prevent him from having a reasoned opinion? And a bonus question... Is your complaint about the Eu causing trouble above the effect of them using the same tactics AC Grayling has talked about? " It appears that it does as he only mentions the leave statements and gives no counter argument about the remain ones, if you have ever read any legal decisions it states both sides of the argument to show that it has been properly thought out, this letter and his twitter account shows he wants to remain, which is fine and its his opinion but in no way does it show a balanced argument. The EU statement is bizare as they say free trade is dependent on free access yet then say we can have free access. As for your futher post,I have run my own business for many years and can understand economics perfectly well thanks. | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general A very interesting post and my thoughts exactly. A lot of remainers appear to be only interested in the so called Financial impact on themselves and display a calleous indifference towards the future of the country .
that would be an interesting statement and position for those people who voted to leave...... except the facts and statistics don't show that!
the majority of those people under 30 voted to remain... and in fact the younger the age of the voter, the more likely they were to have voted remain....
so you get older people saying "well, i voted leave for my kids and grandkids sakes" and yet most of the kids/grandkids are saying "don't say you did it in our name" and in a lot of cases "you have deprived me of the very oppotunities you had"......
I don't think that is an avenue you want to wander down..."Also those who voted to remain are far more likely to have a degree. Exactly the kind of people who will survive as the low skilled jobs flow out of this country at an even faster rate. The reason that myself and many other people want a strong economy is so that our public services can protect the most vulnerable in our society, so benefits are not set cripplingly low, so we can afford things like social care and policemen and doctors and nurses. | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general A very interesting post and my thoughts exactly. A lot of remainers appear to be only interested in the so called Financial impact on themselves and display a calleous indifference towards the future of the country .
that would be an interesting statement and position for those people who voted to leave...... except the facts and statistics don't show that!
the majority of those people under 30 voted to remain... and in fact the younger the age of the voter, the more likely they were to have voted remain....
so you get older people saying "well, i voted leave for my kids and grandkids sakes" and yet most of the kids/grandkids are saying "don't say you did it in our name" and in a lot of cases "you have deprived me of the very oppotunities you had"......
I don't think that is an avenue you want to wander down...
Also those who voted to remain are far more likely to have a degree. Exactly the kind of people who will survive as the low skilled jobs flow out of this country at an even faster rate.
The reason that myself and many other people want a strong economy is so that our public services can protect the most vulnerable in our society, so benefits are not set cripplingly low, so we can afford things like social care and policemen and doctors and nurses."And your authorities for making such ridiculous claims? You do know that more circus clowns and ghost train operators voted to remain than cremation technicians and those with a love for purple flowers? | |||
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!" . I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it | |||
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"I think most Ukipers and brexiters Will choose a British passport because for many it's about sovereignty.I myself will choose an EU passport given the choice. Regarding opinions.The difference is some people have informed opions and are experts.However as has been stated we live in post truth age.We go with the loudest voice and are guilty of confirmation bias in the echo chamber Of the internet. Spoon feeding us what we want to hear." One of the things I've always said about swinging is you come in contact with probably the most diverse group of people than in probably any other situation. I've sat in clubs and chatted with every end of the socio-economic spectrum and every end of the right-left political spectrum. I will admit that racially it is less diverse in my experience than in other aspects of eg my professional life. But still it does put me well and truly out of any echo chamber. Maybe that is why the political debates on here are so intense as I'd hazard a guess that most people (me included) probably spend far more time in their world outside swinging in contact with people of more similar socio-political views than differing. -Matt | |||
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" As for your futher post,I have run my own business for many years and can understand economics perfectly well thanks. " Well you do better than me then. I've run my own businesses for about 20 years and never had to deal with economics at all really. Bookkeeping and finance, yes. But never really economics. Certainly not economics of the national or international level. I'm curious what field your business is in. -Matt | |||
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"I think most Ukipers and brexiters Will choose a British passport because for many it's about sovereignty.I myself will choose an EU passport given the choice. Regarding opinions.The difference is some people have informed opions and are experts.However as has been stated we live in post truth age.We go with the loudest voice and are guilty of confirmation bias in the echo chamber Of the internet. Spoon feeding us what we want to hear." Didn't the remain side have the loudest voice? Governments, Presidents, banks, financial institutions etc etc? Is that why you went with them rather than thinking for yourself? And what is an informed opinion in this case? Who is an expert on this subject? | |||
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" As for your futher post,I have run my own business for many years and can understand economics perfectly well thanks. Well you do better than me then. I've run my own businesses for about 20 years and never had to deal with economics at all really. Bookkeeping and finance, yes. But never really economics. Certainly not economics of the national or international level. I'm curious what field your business is in. -Matt" I think you do yourself a disservice if you have run a business then you are using the basic economic principles, I dont do international. My business was ag based but these days makes more money from leisure plus commercial and residential property, I just keep the AG side as its what I enjoy doing the most | |||
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"I think most Ukipers and brexiters Will choose a British passport because for many it's about sovereignty.I myself will choose an EU passport given the choice. Regarding opinions.The difference is some people have informed opions and are experts.However as has been stated we live in post truth age.We go with the loudest voice and are guilty of confirmation bias in the echo chamber Of the internet. Spoon feeding us what we want to hear." Very well said, the power of subtle influence cannot be discounted There are studies where people will swear blind that a simple picture at the banner of a website didn't affect their buying decisions except the results overwhelming showed that they were totally influenced I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny | |||
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"I think most Ukipers and brexiters Will choose a British passport because for many it's about sovereignty.I myself will choose an EU passport given the choice. Regarding opinions.The difference is some people have informed opions and are experts.However as has been stated we live in post truth age.We go with the loudest voice and are guilty of confirmation bias in the echo chamber Of the internet. Spoon feeding us what we want to hear. Very well said, the power of subtle influence cannot be discounted There are studies where people will swear blind that a simple picture at the banner of a website didn't affect their buying decisions except the results overwhelming showed that they were totally influenced I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny " I dont think the backlash is against the experts per se its against the elite that have done very well from economic growth at the expense of others who now quite rightly want a share of the developed worlds prosperity, it just so happens that these experts plus politicians and the financial sector are part of that elite and are fighting to keep their good life | |||
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"I hope i will get to keep my EU passport.Will be so much fun going through the EU only passport control while the others que forever.If only brexiters had to wear an armband so they can show how they feel and be proud..and we know who they are." So let us get this right... You want Brexiters to wear an armband, something that shows that they are Brexiters, that identifies them as such? Mmmm.... wasn't that tried before sometime, with a different type of people, making them wear yellow stars? | |||
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" I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny I dont think the backlash is against the experts per se its against the elite that have done very well from economic growth at the expense of others who now quite rightly want a share of the developed worlds prosperity, it just so happens that these experts plus politicians and the financial sector are part of that elite and are fighting to keep their good life " A vote to cut off your nose to spite your face Why can't people be happy with what they have? Forget the 'elite', live your own life, smile, relax, breath, life is good | |||
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"I think most Ukipers and brexiters Will choose a British passport because for many it's about sovereignty.I myself will choose an EU passport given the choice. Regarding opinions.The difference is some people have informed opions and are experts.However as has been stated we live in post truth age.We go with the loudest voice and are guilty of confirmation bias in the echo chamber Of the internet. Spoon feeding us what we want to hear. Very well said, the power of subtle influence cannot be discounted There are studies where people will swear blind that a simple picture at the banner of a website didn't affect their buying decisions except the results overwhelming showed that they were totally influenced I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny I dont think the backlash is against the experts per se its against the elite that have done very well from economic growth at the expense of others who now quite rightly want a share of the developed worlds prosperity, it just so happens that these experts plus politicians and the financial sector are part of that elite and are fighting to keep their good life " The thought that somehow the "elites" (whoever they are) are going to somehow lose out and the poor shall rise and inheret riches because of Brexit is laughable. Almost as laughable as the idea that the vote to leave the EU was all about giving the "elites" a poke in the eye. The people who are going to feel the economic pain of Brexit are those of already lower economic standing because as always they will remain the pawns of the wealthy, the job creators and the establishment. They simply do not have the money or wherewithal to make any meaningful changes to the life that is given to them. That might sound harsh or even unpleasant, but it is the truth. The rich and the so called "elite" have bee given almost a year to re-position themselves and in any event have the ability to move their wealth and influence elsewhere. | |||
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" I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny I dont think the backlash is against the experts per se its against the elite that have done very well from economic growth at the expense of others who now quite rightly want a share of the developed worlds prosperity, it just so happens that these experts plus politicians and the financial sector are part of that elite and are fighting to keep their good life A vote to cut off your nose to spite your face Why can't people be happy with what they have? Forget the 'elite', live your own life, smile, relax, breath, life is good " Especially if you are too stupid to realise that your actions to poke someone else in the eye will result in even greater hardship for yourself. | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general "You voted for the future of your kids when the overwhelming majority of younger people voted to remain? I suspect the reason might be that the you young are too thick to know what they were voting for? | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general
You voted for the future of your kids when the overwhelming majority of younger people voted to remain? I suspect the reason might be that the you young are too thick to know what they were voting for?"No, the overwhelming majority of the young didn't vote did they? | |||
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general
You voted for the future of your kids when the overwhelming majority of younger people voted to remain? I suspect the reason might be that the you young are too thick to know what they were voting for?
No, the overwhelming majority of the young didn't vote did they? "About 64% of 18-24 year olds voted. I'd say that is a majority. If I was a leave supporter, I'd call that an 'overwhelming majority'. If I was a tabloid journalist, I'd call that 'almost all'
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"The stats from that individual vote yourself in or out system would be a wonderful play on 'democracy'
People voting with their feet, probably forced to think through the consequences a bit harder once they become personal... Would the leave vote be replicated?
I voted leave but my business may suffer, I voted for the future of my kids and what I believe to be best for the majority of the uk not for those the eu has benefitted while forgetting those left behind, not everyone voted selfishly. It is interesting that many who voted remain state the down side to them whereas many who voted leave talk of the benefit to the uk in general
You voted for the future of your kids when the overwhelming majority of younger people voted to remain? I suspect the reason might be that the you young are too thick to know what they were voting for?
No, the overwhelming majority of the young didn't vote did they?
About 64% of 18-24 year olds voted. I'd say that is a majority. If I was a leave supporter, I'd call that an 'overwhelming majority'. If I was a tabloid journalist, I'd call that 'almost all'
-Matt"sorry, check again, 64% didn't vote. Apparently | |||
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"Ah, I see. The original poll said that 64% didn't vote then a later poll said 64% did vote. I guess it comes down to who you want to believe doesn't it? The figure seems a bit of a co-incidence thouh "Well, yes it is a poll. And we know how unreliable polling the public on a simple in/out, yes/no type question is
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"Ah, I see. The original poll said that 64% didn't vote then a later poll said 64% did vote. I guess it comes down to who you want to believe doesn't it? The figure seems a bit of a co-incidence thouh
Well, yes it is a poll. And we know how unreliable polling the public on a simple in/out, yes/no type question is
-Matt"True. And if we go by the Guardian poll it could be said that the young were so keen on the EU that only 45% of them voted to remain | |||
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" I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny I dont think the backlash is against the experts per se its against the elite that have done very well from economic growth at the expense of others who now quite rightly want a share of the developed worlds prosperity, it just so happens that these experts plus politicians and the financial sector are part of that elite and are fighting to keep their good life A vote to cut off your nose to spite your face Why can't people be happy with what they have? Forget the 'elite', live your own life, smile, relax, breath, life is good " Thats easy to say for those of us fortunate enough to be able to have nice holidays abroad etc but when you are struggling to get by then its no wonder many are fed up, make no mistake I am well off so I may well lose out a bit if wealth is shared out in a fairer way, of course there are some that will never have any spare cash no matter how much they earn but when I see people doing worth while jobs such as looking after the sick and elderly on minimum wage and then look at the "elite" earning six figure sums doing jobs that are fair less important to a "decent" society I feel things have got out of hand | |||
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" I'm finding this backlash against experts very funny I dont think the backlash is against the experts per se its against the elite that have done very well from economic growth at the expense of others who now quite rightly want a share of the developed worlds prosperity, it just so happens that these experts plus politicians and the financial sector are part of that elite and are fighting to keep their good life A vote to cut off your nose to spite your face Why can't people be happy with what they have? Forget the 'elite', live your own life, smile, relax, breath, life is good Thats easy to say for those of us fortunate enough to be able to have nice holidays abroad etc but when you are struggling to get by then its no wonder many are fed up, make no mistake I am well off so I may well lose out a bit if wealth is shared out in a fairer way, of course there are some that will never have any spare cash no matter how much they earn but when I see people doing worth while jobs such as looking after the sick and elderly on minimum wage and then look at the "elite" earning six figure sums doing jobs that are fair less important to a "decent" society I feel things have got out of hand " Something I totally agree with you on robka. However I think there is a point about the backlash of experts vs elite. Open any tabloid at the moment and there are stories there about what the rich and elite are up to. About some millionare footballer writing off a quarter of a million pound supercar and saying 'don't worry, I have another 2'. I think these sort of things do further a us vs them mentality and further make people who don't live that life of luxuary feel further disenfranchised. Not to mention the 'fat cats' like Green in the news spunking away the prole's pensions. -Matt | |||
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!. I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it" So you can / do have a UK and an Irish (EU) passport......best of both worlds? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot" Hahahahahah! Oh that is funny. Scaremongering? Even if it were to come about, we are just about to throw away our veto on it when we leave. And then even if it were created, what parcicular scenario do you have in mind in which conscription has been put in place across the EU to draw up an army in which you think that is the least of our worries at that point? -Matt | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot" I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? | |||
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!. I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it So you can / do have a UK and an Irish (EU) passport......best of both worlds?" . No I don't have a passport at the moment ....
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!. I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it So you can / do have a UK and an Irish (EU) passport......best of both worlds?. No I don't have a passport at the moment ....
But I'm thinking about getting one for next summer"You can't go abroad in the summer, that's when global warming is at its hottest! | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? " Try googling EU army and you will see there are ambitions from juncker and others to form a joint defence HQ and italy have said they want a joint force, call it what you want its the beginning of an army you know and so do we, remember how the eu started just a coal and steel allaince then a trading block and now with five presidents and a parliament are really saying this HQ is the end, after all if there is no "joint force/army" why is there any need for a hq? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Try googling EU army and you will see there are ambitions from juncker and others to form a joint defence HQ and italy have said they want a joint force, call it what you want its the beginning of an army you know and so do we, remember how the eu started just a coal and steel allaince then a trading block and now with five presidents and a parliament are really saying this HQ is the end, after all if there is no "joint force/army" why is there any need for a hq?" NATO has head quarters and has been around for nearly 70 years, no sign of a NATO army yet though is there? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Try googling EU army and you will see there are ambitions from juncker and others to form a joint defence HQ and italy have said they want a joint force, call it what you want its the beginning of an army you know and so do we, remember how the eu started just a coal and steel allaince then a trading block and now with five presidents and a parliament are really saying this HQ is the end, after all if there is no "joint force/army" why is there any need for a hq? NATO has head quarters and has been around for nearly 70 years, no sign of a NATO army yet though is there? " So what juncker and the italy minister both stated are lies then ??? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Try googling EU army and you will see there are ambitions from juncker and others to form a joint defence HQ and italy have said they want a joint force, call it what you want its the beginning of an army you know and so do we, remember how the eu started just a coal and steel allaince then a trading block and now with five presidents and a parliament are really saying this HQ is the end, after all if there is no "joint force/army" why is there any need for a hq? NATO has head quarters and has been around for nearly 70 years, no sign of a NATO army yet though is there? So what juncker and the italy minister both stated are lies then ???" How big is this army going to be? Will there be a navy and airforce as well? Who is going to fund it? Where will they recruit from? What will happen to the existing national forces? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Try googling EU army and you will see there are ambitions from juncker and others to form a joint defence HQ and italy have said they want a joint force, call it what you want its the beginning of an army you know and so do we, remember how the eu started just a coal and steel allaince then a trading block and now with five presidents and a parliament are really saying this HQ is the end, after all if there is no "joint force/army" why is there any need for a hq? NATO has head quarters and has been around for nearly 70 years, no sign of a NATO army yet though is there? So what juncker and the italy minister both stated are lies then ??? How big is this army going to be? Will there be a navy and airforce as well? Who is going to fund it? Where will they recruit from? What will happen to the existing national forces?" Who knows and seeing we will have left not out business unless of course it affects NATO . Glad to see you accept they do want to create one though, does that concern you or are you happy to have two defence parties in europe ? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Try googling EU army and you will see there are ambitions from juncker and others to form a joint defence HQ and italy have said they want a joint force, call it what you want its the beginning of an army you know and so do we, remember how the eu started just a coal and steel allaince then a trading block and now with five presidents and a parliament are really saying this HQ is the end, after all if there is no "joint force/army" why is there any need for a hq? NATO has head quarters and has been around for nearly 70 years, no sign of a NATO army yet though is there? So what juncker and the italy minister both stated are lies then ??? How big is this army going to be? Will there be a navy and airforce as well? Who is going to fund it? Where will they recruit from? What will happen to the existing national forces? Who knows and seeing we will have left not out business unless of course it affects NATO . Glad to see you accept they do want to create one though, does that concern you or are you happy to have two defence parties in europe ? " I have heard talk of HQs, but not an army, as I said, NATO have HQs and no army. Two? What about the CJEF and the JEF? Are you worried about them? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot" That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious" ....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. | |||
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!. I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it So you can / do have a UK and an Irish (EU) passport......best of both worlds?. No I don't have a passport at the moment ....
But I'm thinking about getting one for next summer
You can't go abroad in the summer, that's when global warming is at its hottest! ". Technically there's only a slight difference globally between summer and winter!. Although now you mention it,i might go in may to miss the summer heat of southern France  | |||
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!. I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it So you can / do have a UK and an Irish (EU) passport......best of both worlds?. No I don't have a passport at the moment ....
But I'm thinking about getting one for next summer
You can't go abroad in the summer, that's when global warming is at its hottest! .
Technically there's only a slight difference globally between summer and winter!.
Although now you mention it,i might go in may to miss the summer heat of southern France "Now I'm no fancy weatherologist, but even I know summer is warmer than winter | |||
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"Given the mongrel mix of most of the indigenous population...I bet more than half could get an Irish passport if the were that bothered. I could on two counts...but won't be bothering!. I was born in northern Ireland to a British mother and Irish father.. Had dual nationality all my life and never really thought twice about it So you can / do have a UK and an Irish (EU) passport......best of both worlds?. No I don't have a passport at the moment ....
But I'm thinking about getting one for next summer
You can't go abroad in the summer, that's when global warming is at its hottest! .
Technically there's only a slight difference globally between summer and winter!.
Although now you mention it,i might go in may to miss the summer heat of southern France
Now I'm no fancy weatherologist, but even I know summer is warmer than winter ". I know but global warming involves two hemispheres, ones in summer, ones in winter, you get a little difference due to the southern having very little land mass and very little people!... . Do you want to know a fascinating fact I once heard at a climate presentation?.... the energy to melt 1 gramme of ice is the same amount of energy required to take 1 gramme of water from 0 degrees to 80 degrees!... Last month the Arctic had a 20 degree temperature anomaly... The sea ice is practically gone and we're on the exponential curve now. A recent peer reviewed Russian study found there was a "highly likely" chance of a 10 billon tonne methane "burp" from the clathrates in the permafrost!... The worrying bit is there's estimated to be 500 giga tonnes of frozen methane in the Arctic sea bed alone.... How long do you think it will stay frozen with no ice left?. . I like arguing politics with people it's entertaining... It doesn't mean anything though, all this will be yesterday's fish and chips in ten years time.... Well it would be if we had and fish left in the ocean | |||
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" I have heard talk of HQs, but not an army, as I said, NATO have HQs and no army. Two? What about the CJEF and the JEF? Are you worried about them? " You use google a lot sure you can find what the italian minister said and junckers statement if of course you want to . Have heard of cjef and us using french jets on the new carrier but not jef did google it and as soon as I read the word federalists I ran off screaming | |||
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" Do you want to know a fascinating fact I once heard at a climate presentation?.... the energy to melt 1 gramme of ice is the same amount of energy required to take 1 gramme of water from 0 degrees to 80 degrees!... Last month the Arctic had a 20 degree temperature anomaly... The sea ice is practically gone and we're on the exponential curve now. A recent peer reviewed Russian study found there was a "highly likely" chance of a 10 billon tonne methane "burp" from the clathrates in the permafrost!... The worrying bit is there's estimated to be 500 giga tonnes of frozen methane in the Arctic sea bed alone.... How long do you think it will stay frozen with no ice left?. . I like arguing politics with people it's entertaining... It doesn't mean anything though, all this will be yesterday's fish and chips in ten years time.... Well it would be if we had and fish left in the ocean "I hope no one is smoking near that burp | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you." This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not. | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not." No. It may be an insight into a poster's mind but it is no insight into the "fearful mind of a Brexiter." Just as your post is an insight into your mind, but not that of a Remainer. | |||
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" I have heard talk of HQs, but not an army, as I said, NATO have HQs and no army. Two? What about the CJEF and the JEF? Are you worried about them? You use google a lot sure you can find what the italian minister said and junckers statement if of course you want to . Have heard of cjef and us using french jets on the new carrier but not jef did google it and as soon as I read the word federalists I ran off screaming "The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not." Are you saying that there are no plans by at least some of the eu members and presidents for a eu army? I think you will find that millions died in wars in the last century to give you and me the freedom to have this debate not for any ones riches | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF? "The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not. No. It may be an insight into a poster's mind but it is no insight into the "fearful mind of a Brexiter." Just as your post is an insight into your mind, but not that of a Remainer." Actually the post was full of fear and a standard brexiter response by a brexiter regarding anything EU.I've only ever seen fear in brexiters. Fear of foreigners fear of intellectuals fear of anything with the word socialism in it .Fear of goverments...Fear fear fear.Half of them would like to be transported back in time 50s Britain in some utopian past as they fear the future.They fear multiculturalism and globalisation. How they sleep at night I have no idea. | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not. Are you saying that there are no plans by at least some of the eu members and presidents for a eu army? I think you will find that millions died in wars in the last century to give you and me the freedom to have this debate not for any ones riches" .....one of their dear leaders Mr junker...doesn't shut up about the proposal of a European army...so what the leaders of the European propose is what you will get...whether you like it or not...that's how the Eu does things. | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? " #futurelies? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not. No. It may be an insight into a poster's mind but it is no insight into the "fearful mind of a Brexiter." Just as your post is an insight into your mind, but not that of a Remainer.Actually the post was full of fear and a standard brexiter response by a brexiter regarding anything EU.I've only ever seen fear in brexiters. Fear of foreigners fear of intellectuals fear of anything with the word socialism in it .Fear of goverments...Fear fear fear.Half of them would like to be transported back in time 50s Britain in some utopian past as they fear the future.They fear multiculturalism and globalisation. How they sleep at night I have no idea." Very well ta
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? #futurelies? " Try looking up the links I quoted and then tell me its lies, | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot That's one hell of a quantum jump there.....European passport to Conscription in one sentence.....fucking hilarious....well your very good at predicting wrong outcomes aren't you. This comment about a EU army is good insight into a fearful mind of a brexiter.Also all armies fight for the ideas and wealth of old grey men in suites.Conscripted or not. No. It may be an insight into a poster's mind but it is no insight into the "fearful mind of a Brexiter." Just as your post is an insight into your mind, but not that of a Remainer.Actually the post was full of fear and a standard brexiter response by a brexiter regarding anything EU.I've only ever seen fear in brexiters. Fear of foreigners fear of intellectuals fear of anything with the word socialism in it .Fear of goverments...Fear fear fear.Half of them would like to be transported back in time 50s Britain in some utopian past as they fear the future.They fear multiculturalism and globalisation. How they sleep at night I have no idea." ....1950s Britain.. Yes please. | |||
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"The conscription bit is a lie for sure " Nothing about conscription in those articles, sounds like you are scared to look at them because you are afraid you might be wrong | |||
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"Just as your post is an insight into your mind, but not that of a Remainer.Actually the post was full of fear and a standard brexiter response by a brexiter regarding anything EU.I've only ever seen fear in brexiters. Fear of foreigners fear of intellectuals fear of anything with the word socialism in it .Fear of goverments...Fear fear fear.Half of them would like to be transported back in time 50s Britain in some utopian past as they fear the future.They fear multiculturalism and globalisation. How they sleep at night I have no idea." This makes a lot of sense, I just don't understand where this utopian Xanadu of all be well if Britain runs its own affairs comes from. Last time we tried we were pretty crap at it! It's like people want to head back, to roll back the clock of today's society. Sure, there are problems, but a lot fewer than before 1970. Especially if you're black or lgbt or a swinger or ... ! | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? " Just out of interest, what is so bad about the idea of a european army? | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Just out of interest, what is so bad about the idea of a european army?" Because its another step to a united states of europe and thats why I voted leave | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Just out of interest, what is so bad about the idea of a european army? Because its another step to a united states of europe and thats why I voted leave" Well, fair enough, I can see that's a reason. Is that the only one? It seems like such an unthinkable idea to many here I was wondering why. We could ask the next question... but maybe not! | |||
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"European passport =European citizen..add to that..Eu army and conscription... Good luck fighting their wars you brave lot I find the absolute most ignorant scare story is that of the big bad EU Army. What language will this army speak? Which rifle will it use? Where will it be based? Just out of interest, what is so bad about the idea of a european army? Because its another step to a united states of europe and thats why I voted leave Well, fair enough, I can see that's a reason. Is that the only one? It seems like such an unthinkable idea to many here I was wondering why. We could ask the next question... but maybe not! "Yes because I feel from everything that I have seen and read from those at the top that is where they see it going, many remainers keep saying its not perfect and want reform as do many meps, mp's etc etc but it never happens but rather a slow but steady slide towards a US of E, IMVHO it has to be stopped so we can go back to the free trade block the EEC was, if there was another vote to join a new eec I would be first in line to say yes. I think the evidence of the euro problems and the mess it has made of greece and a few others and the refusal of those in charge to change is eveidence that a US of E could never work, | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think"It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army. Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states” "Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato." So what do we know?: * No standing army * It won't challenge the role of NATO * Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states"So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states
So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine "Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army? | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states
So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army? "Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states
So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army?
Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again"You seems to see the EU as an existential "other" you never view it as it is, a collection of 28 member states. You seem to be suggesting that Junker can produce an Army, against the wishes of the member states which is a complete outright lie. As I always say though, I'm happy to be proved wrong. You show me where it says that Junker had the constitutional power to create an Army, and I'll be more than happy to apologise. | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states
So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army?
Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again
You seems to see the EU as an existential "other" you never view it as it is, a collection of 28 member states.
You seem to be suggesting that Junker can produce an Army, against the wishes of the member states which is a complete outright lie. As I always say though, I'm happy to be proved wrong. You show me where it says that Junker had the constitutional power to create an Army, and I'll be more than happy to apologise. "Keep dodging | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states
So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army?
Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again
You seems to see the EU as an existential "other" you never view it as it is, a collection of 28 member states.
You seem to be suggesting that Junker can produce an Army, against the wishes of the member states which is a complete outright lie. As I always say though, I'm happy to be proved wrong. You show me where it says that Junker had the constitutional power to create an Army, and I'll be more than happy to apologise.
Keep dodging "Er, where's the bloody question he's supposed to be dodging? | |||
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"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html" The EU can shove their passports where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. I don't want EU citizenship and I don't want an EU passport. I look forward to the day my current passport expires so I can get my British passport with the words 'European Union' removed from it. I don't see any problem getting a visa when or if I need to travel. | |||
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" The UK Joint Expeditionary Force is the UK, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands. Which one is the federalist?
So why are you worried about an EU Army that doesn't exist (and probably never will), but not scared of the JEF and the CJEF?
The jef I looked at is not the one you are talking about .
Even you cant be that unrealistic to believe that if there is a HQ then it is a very short step to having an army that fights under the EU flag.
You quite often quote the roots of the eu and how it spawned what it has become this will be the same you know but as usual will deny the blindingly obvious rather than admit you are wrong.
Look at the link www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary
or this one
euobserver.com/foreign/135235
If you dare then tell us what you think
It says plenty in the articles "they said that the HQ should command EU overseas crisis missions, not a “permanent” standing force." so exactly what I have said about NATO, HQs with no army.
Or how about France and Germany saying "political responsibility for defence lies in the first place with member states”
"Juncker also said he did not want a new force to challenge the role of Nato."
So what do we know?:
* No standing army
* It won't challenge the role of NATO
* Political responsibility for defence rests with the member states
So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army?
Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again
You seems to see the EU as an existential "other" you never view it as it is, a collection of 28 member states.
You seem to be suggesting that Junker can produce an Army, against the wishes of the member states which is a complete outright lie. As I always say though, I'm happy to be proved wrong. You show me where it says that Junker had the constitutional power to create an Army, and I'll be more than happy to apologise.
Keep dodging "You haven't posed a question for me to dodge, however i have asked you a question that you have not answered. Does Junker have the constitutional power to create a military force? | |||
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"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html The EU can shove their passports where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. I don't want EU citizenship and I don't want an EU passport. I look forward to the day my current passport expires so I can get my British passport with the words 'European Union' removed from it. I don't see any problem getting a visa when or if I need to travel. " So you are looking forward to paying for a new passport, and paying for visas? | |||
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"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html The EU can shove their passports where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. I don't want EU citizenship and I don't want an EU passport. I look forward to the day my current passport expires so I can get my British passport with the words 'European Union' removed from it. I don't see any problem getting a visa when or if I need to travel. So you are looking forward to paying for a new passport, and paying for visas? "As much as all those from the EU are that want to visit the UK. | |||
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"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html The EU can shove their passports where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. I don't want EU citizenship and I don't want an EU passport. I look forward to the day my current passport expires so I can get my British passport with the words 'European Union' removed from it. I don't see any problem getting a visa when or if I need to travel. So you are looking forward to paying for a new passport, and paying for visas?
As much as all those from the EU are that want to visit the UK.
"Why will European citizens need new passports? | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted" It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us? | |||
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"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html The EU can shove their passports where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. I don't want EU citizenship and I don't want an EU passport. I look forward to the day my current passport expires so I can get my British passport with the words 'European Union' removed from it. I don't see any problem getting a visa when or if I need to travel. So you are looking forward to paying for a new passport, and paying for visas? "If you want a new passport now you have to pay for it, it has always been the case, since when were passports issued for free? | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us? "err yes, aren't you? what did we do before 'EU' pasports? | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?"No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion. | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
"why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join? | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?"If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you. | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you."Well if you've flown in from Europe the rest of the world queue will probably be a lot shorter. | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you.
Well if you've flown in from Europe the rest of the world queue will probably be a lot shorter.
"I don't know if you've ever been to an airport, but passport control usually isn't done as you get off your individual flight, its done in the terminal, where you could have flights from all over the world. | |||
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"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html The EU can shove their passports where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. I don't want EU citizenship and I don't want an EU passport. I look forward to the day my current passport expires so I can get my British passport with the words 'European Union' removed from it. I don't see any problem getting a visa when or if I need to travel. So you are looking forward to paying for a new passport, and paying for visas?
As much as all those from the EU are that want to visit the UK.
Why will European citizens need new passports?"I think what he was getting at is that if the EU charge UK citizens for visa's to travel to Europe, then it will be a reciprocal arrangement where EU citizens will have to pay for visas to visit the UK. On paying for passports then that has always been the case, passports have never been issued for free. | |||
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"Before EU passports, there used to be a 'UK Passports only' line. Not sure whether the others were Rest of the world,or EU and rest of the world. I would presume it would revert to that." But that was in UK airports, not all airports! Its not like you would fly to Paris and see a "UK Passports Only" queue! | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you.
Well if you've flown in from Europe the rest of the world queue will probably be a lot shorter.
I don't know if you've ever been to an airport, but passport control usually isn't done as you get off your individual flight, its done in the terminal, where you could have flights from all over the world."Strangely enough I have been to an airport, smaller ones may only do short haul flights to Europe and bigger ones usually have different terminals for long and short haul. | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you."You've really not thought this through have you? What do you do with your children if yours says EU and theirs UK? | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you.
You've really not thought this through have you? What do you do with your children if yours says EU and theirs UK?"What do people do currently if travelling with children or dependants with different passport queues? Why would it be any different to that? -Matt | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you.
You've really not thought this through have you? What do you do with your children if yours says EU and theirs UK?
What do people do currently if travelling with children or dependants with different passport queues? Why would it be any different to that?
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you.
Well if you've flown in from Europe the rest of the world queue will probably be a lot shorter.
I don't know if you've ever been to an airport, but passport control usually isn't done as you get off your individual flight, its done in the terminal, where you could have flights from all over the world.
Strangely enough I have been to an airport, smaller ones may only do short haul flights to Europe and bigger ones usually have different terminals for long and short haul. "Right, so you should know how it works then, and that short haul flights also go to and from places like Iceland, Norway and Switzerland, you know, non-EU countries. | |||
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"Signs at airports - ' EU and UK passport holders ' sorted It only says that at UK airports. Or are you expecting that all other member states are going to give a special exemption just for us?
err yes, aren't you?
what did we do before 'EU' pasports?
No, why would they? Can you show me a sign that as "EU, Greenland and Faroes Passports" if you can, that would be evidence to support your assertion.
why would they? Because the vast majority of people travelling between the UK and Europe have either a UK or EU passport. It would be pointless seperating them. Now as my 'EU' passport has another 9 years to run, and in 2 - 3 years time I hopefully won't be an EU citizen, which queue do I join?
If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you.
Well if you've flown in from Europe the rest of the world queue will probably be a lot shorter.
I don't know if you've ever been to an airport, but passport control usually isn't done as you get off your individual flight, its done in the terminal, where you could have flights from all over the world.
Strangely enough I have been to an airport, smaller ones may only do short haul flights to Europe and bigger ones usually have different terminals for long and short haul.
Right, so you should know how it works then, and that short haul flights also go to and from places like Iceland, Norway and Switzerland, you know, non-EU countries."I'm done trying to debate anything with you. | |||
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" If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you. You've really not thought this through have you? What do you do with your children if yours says EU and theirs UK? What do people do currently if travelling with children or dependants with different passport queues? Why would it be any different to that? -Matt and what happens then?" No idea. Never done it. I presume you all go through the most onerous line, probably the 'rest of world' one. But I don't see why it would be any different when the UK is out of the EU to any other non-EU country? -Matt | |||
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" If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you. You've really not thought this through have you? What do you do with your children if yours says EU and theirs UK? What do people do currently if travelling with children or dependants with different passport queues? Why would it be any different to that? -Matt and what happens then? No idea. Never done it. I presume you all go through the most onerous line, probably the 'rest of world' one. But I don't see why it would be any different when the UK is out of the EU to any other non-EU country? -Matt" That's because you're looking for problems where there doesn't have to be any. The difference is in the sheer numbers of passengers between the UK and Europe. And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible" Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? " The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? " for themselves I meant to say | |||
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" If your passport says EU, then you go in the EU line, if it doesn't, you go to the line with people from the rest of the world. I don't understand you massive sense of entitlement that you think even after we leave the EU that you deserve to be in the quicker queue. Brexit is going to be a real wake up call for you. You've really not thought this through have you? What do you do with your children if yours says EU and theirs UK? What do people do currently if travelling with children or dependants with different passport queues? Why would it be any different to that? -Matt and what happens then? No idea. Never done it. I presume you all go through the most onerous line, probably the 'rest of world' one. But I don't see why it would be any different when the UK is out of the EU to any other non-EU country? -Matt That's because you're looking for problems where there doesn't have to be any. The difference is in the sheer numbers of passengers between the UK and Europe. And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible" Uhh... I'm not looking for problems, you are. I'm asking "Why is there a problem? Surely it is no different to other non-EU travellers?" -Matt | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding." Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on" How does it make common sense for every single airport in the other 27 member states to pay to change their signage so that you don't have to wait a few minutes longer in a line to get your passport checked? | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding." It's a very British trait don't you know? | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on How does it make common sense for every single airport in the other 27 member states to pay to change their signage so that you don't have to wait a few minutes longer in a line to get your passport checked? " well maybe we could have a whip round for the signage. The point is, I would bet any money that there will be no tourist visas between the UK and the EU and paperwork/permits/visas or whetever will only be required for work and we will have the same passport checks/arrangements as we do now | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on How does it make common sense for every single airport in the other 27 member states to pay to change their signage so that you don't have to wait a few minutes longer in a line to get your passport checked? well maybe we could have a whip round for the signage. The point is, I would bet any money that there will be no tourist visas between the UK and the EU and paperwork/permits/visas or whetever will only be required for work and we will have the same passport checks/arrangements as we do now" Have to say i agree and even if visas were needed it would only be a 2 minute online application so I can't see there being a problem with a visa system either, the rest of the world outside of the EU seem to manage just fine with a visa system. Some people appear to be making mountains out of mole hills on this thread and looking for problems that are simply not there. | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on How does it make common sense for every single airport in the other 27 member states to pay to change their signage so that you don't have to wait a few minutes longer in a line to get your passport checked? well maybe we could have a whip round for the signage. The point is, I would bet any money that there will be no tourist visas between the UK and the EU and paperwork/permits/visas or whetever will only be required for work and we will have the same passport checks/arrangements as we do now Have to say i agree and even if visas were needed it would only be a 2 minute online application so I can't see there being a problem with a visa system either, the rest of the world outside of the EU seem to manage just fine with a visa system. Some people appear to be making mountains out of mole hills on this thread and looking for problems that are simply not there. "Nah, I think I'll stick with my EU passport and not bother with all that thanks | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? " To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . " Not at any cost they won't..... | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on How does it make common sense for every single airport in the other 27 member states to pay to change their signage so that you don't have to wait a few minutes longer in a line to get your passport checked? well maybe we could have a whip round for the signage. The point is, I would bet any money that there will be no tourist visas between the UK and the EU and paperwork/permits/visas or whetever will only be required for work and we will have the same passport checks/arrangements as we do now Have to say i agree and even if visas were needed it would only be a 2 minute online application so I can't see there being a problem with a visa system either, the rest of the world outside of the EU seem to manage just fine with a visa system. Some people appear to be making mountains out of mole hills on this thread and looking for problems that are simply not there.
Nah, I think I'll stick with my EU passport and not bother with all that thanks "People do realise that if a visa system did come in having an eu passport would not stop requirement of a visa youd need one to get back in to the uk | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? The sense of entitlement and privilege is astounding. Its called common sense not entitlement. If it makes you happy to look for problems where none need to exist to justify in your own mind why you voted the wrong way, carry on How does it make common sense for every single airport in the other 27 member states to pay to change their signage so that you don't have to wait a few minutes longer in a line to get your passport checked? well maybe we could have a whip round for the signage. The point is, I would bet any money that there will be no tourist visas between the UK and the EU and paperwork/permits/visas or whetever will only be required for work and we will have the same passport checks/arrangements as we do now Have to say i agree and even if visas were needed it would only be a 2 minute online application so I can't see there being a problem with a visa system either, the rest of the world outside of the EU seem to manage just fine with a visa system. Some people appear to be making mountains out of mole hills on this thread and looking for problems that are simply not there.
Nah, I think I'll stick with my EU passport and not bother with all that thanks
People do realise that if a visa system did come in having an eu passport would not stop requirement of a visa youd need one to get back in to the uk"No.... | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . " .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer." You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world...... | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world......" And we are shaking our heads in disbelief that you wanted to continue to be a part of that failed experiment. It doesn't relally help to move things on, does it? | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world......" ......suffer.?..are we all going to starve...what is this suffering a you keep mentioning. | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world............suffer.?..are we all going to starve...what is this suffering a you keep mentioning. " Actually.....you used the word suffer first, I was just responding.....what was that 'suffer' YOU mentioned? | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world......" I ignore those who talk our country down.Every country in the EU with the exception of Luxembourg relies on us more than we need them for trade , tourists , or labour for their population. In 2015 the UK imported almost a quarter of a trillion pounds worth of goods from the EU 27 nations , creating a £88.9 billion trade deficit with them | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world...... I ignore those who talk our country down.Every country in the EU with the exception of Luxembourg relies on us more than we need them for trade , tourists , or labour for their population. In 2015 the UK imported almost a quarter of a trillion pounds worth of goods from the EU 27 nations , creating a £88.9 billion trade deficit with them " I've seen you yourself proclaiming that we can import much of these goods from other countries from around the world, yet now when it suits your argument the EU will bow down to us because we have to import so much from them.....you change your mind so much Pat, it's hard to keep up with what you actually believe in. | |||
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" So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army?
Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again
You seems to see the EU as an existential "other" you never view it as it is, a collection of 28 member states.
You seem to be suggesting that Junker can produce an Army, against the wishes of the member states which is a complete outright lie. As I always say though, I'm happy to be proved wrong. You show me where it says that Junker had the constitutional power to create an Army, and I'll be more than happy to apologise.
Keep dodging
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world...... I ignore those who talk our country down.Every country in the EU with the exception of Luxembourg relies on us more than we need them for trade , tourists , or labour for their population. In 2015 the UK imported almost a quarter of a trillion pounds worth of goods from the EU 27 nations , creating a £88.9 billion trade deficit with them I've seen you yourself proclaiming that we can import much of these goods from other countries from around the world, yet now when it suits your argument the EU will bow down to us because we have to import so much from them.....you change your mind so much Pat, it's hard to keep up with what you actually believe in." Pat is correct on both counts though. Yes we do a lot of trade with the EU and can continue to trade with them on good mutually beneficial terms if the Brexit negotiations go well. On the other hand if the EU want to play silly buggers and look to 'punish' the UK for leaving the EU then we will be free to look around the rest of the world for better deals. We will be free to make our own trade deals with countries outside of the EU, and we can shop around elsewhere. Our percentage of trade with the EU has been in steady decline now for a number of years while our percentage of trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU has been steadily rising. Again going back to that trade deficit, UK has around £70 billion trade deficit with the EU per annum, while our trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU delivers us a £35 billion trade surplus which is increasing year on year. | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world...... I ignore those who talk our country down.Every country in the EU with the exception of Luxembourg relies on us more than we need them for trade , tourists , or labour for their population. In 2015 the UK imported almost a quarter of a trillion pounds worth of goods from the EU 27 nations , creating a £88.9 billion trade deficit with them I've seen you yourself proclaiming that we can import much of these goods from other countries from around the world, yet now when it suits your argument the EU will bow down to us because we have to import so much from them.....you change your mind so much Pat, it's hard to keep up with what you actually believe in. Pat is correct on both counts though. Yes we do a lot of trade with the EU and can continue to trade with them on good mutually beneficial terms if the Brexit negotiations go well. On the other hand if the EU want to play silly buggers and look to 'punish' the UK for leaving the EU then we will be free to look around the rest of the world for better deals. We will be free to make our own trade deals with countries outside of the EU, and we can shop around elsewhere. Our percentage of trade with the EU has been in steady decline now for a number of years while our percentage of trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU has been steadily rising. Again going back to that trade deficit, UK has around £70 billion trade deficit with the EU per annum, while our trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU delivers us a £35 billion trade surplus which is increasing year on year. " Straight out of the UKIP pamphlet on how to try to confuse the British public using bollocks, bollocks because of the presumption that trading with countries outside of the EU will be as easy as trading with countries inside the current free market of the EU...... UKIP deliberately tried to make it sound easy because they were desperate to sell the deal to the public.....and the public will deserve what they get for falling for it. | |||
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"And you can bet that thems that make the rules in Brussels will want to make travelling to the UK as easy as possible Why would they? It's also possible they'll make it difficult just out of spite. But why will they make it as easy as possible? To avoid wasting everyone's time . Just basic common sense . The EU will want to remain on good terms with a key trading partner . .....of course they will...but the doom merchants on here don't want that...they want doom..they want Britain to suffer. You have ensured the country will suffer, we are just looking on shaking our heads in disbelief at your decision to pull us out of the biggest free trade area in the world...... I ignore those who talk our country down.Every country in the EU with the exception of Luxembourg relies on us more than we need them for trade , tourists , or labour for their population. In 2015 the UK imported almost a quarter of a trillion pounds worth of goods from the EU 27 nations , creating a £88.9 billion trade deficit with them I've seen you yourself proclaiming that we can import much of these goods from other countries from around the world, yet now when it suits your argument the EU will bow down to us because we have to import so much from them.....you change your mind so much Pat, it's hard to keep up with what you actually believe in. Pat is correct on both counts though. Yes we do a lot of trade with the EU and can continue to trade with them on good mutually beneficial terms if the Brexit negotiations go well. On the other hand if the EU want to play silly buggers and look to 'punish' the UK for leaving the EU then we will be free to look around the rest of the world for better deals. We will be free to make our own trade deals with countries outside of the EU, and we can shop around elsewhere. Our percentage of trade with the EU has been in steady decline now for a number of years while our percentage of trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU has been steadily rising. Again going back to that trade deficit, UK has around £70 billion trade deficit with the EU per annum, while our trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU delivers us a £35 billion trade surplus which is increasing year on year. Straight out of the UKIP pamphlet on how to try to confuse the British public using bollocks, bollocks because of the presumption that trading with countries outside of the EU will be as easy as trading with countries inside the current free market of the EU...... UKIP deliberately tried to make it sound easy because they were desperate to sell the deal to the public.....and the public will deserve what they get for falling for it. " Luckily the public did not fall for anything . Everyone made an informed choice and voted according . All the key issues were discussed time and time again during the campsign. | |||
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" So you admit juncker says that he wants a new "force" AKA an army that will go off on "crisis" missions. Its the usual drip drip to where they want to go, remind me how the EU started again,oh yes a coal and steel alliance and where are we now ? But of course I am just an alarmist and it will all be fine
Can you lay out, constitutionally, what powers Junker has? Does he have the power to create a force? An Army?
Thats it dodge the question by asking another, a typical tatic from someone who knows they have lost the argument, again
You seems to see the EU as an existential "other" you never view it as it is, a collection of 28 member states.
You seem to be suggesting that Junker can produce an Army, against the wishes of the member states which is a complete outright lie. As I always say though, I'm happy to be proved wrong. You show me where it says that Junker had the constitutional power to create an Army, and I'll be more than happy to apologise.
Keep dodging
Er, where's the bloody question he's supposed to be dodging?
Whether juncker and others want an eu army"I said above, he wants a HQ, no standing army, defence to remain the responsibility of the member states and not to replace NATO. That was all proved by quotes from your sources. So now that I have answered your question repeatedly, are you going to answer mine? Does Junker have the constitutional authority to create an Army? | |||
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" I said above, he wants a HQ, no standing army, defence to remain the responsibility of the member states and not to replace NATO. That was all proved by quotes from your sources. So now that I have answered your question repeatedly, are you going to answer mine? Does Junker have the constitutional authority to create an Army? " No he doesnt . You are in total denial about his intentions. He wants it and is among many others, the guardian did a piece on his statement, it quotes him, the german defence minister ursula leyensaid " our future as europeans will be one day be a european army" although not today, norbert rottgen head of their foreign policy committee said having an EU army was " a european vision whos time has come". Now is the paper making it up or lying or is it that you are totally blind to the reality and deluded | |||
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" I said above, he wants a HQ, no standing army, defence to remain the responsibility of the member states and not to replace NATO. That was all proved by quotes from your sources. So now that I have answered your question repeatedly, are you going to answer mine? Does Junker have the constitutional authority to create an Army? No he doesnt . You are in total denial about his intentions. He wants it and is among many others, the guardian did a piece on his statement, it quotes him, the german defence minister ursula leyensaid " our future as europeans will be one day be a european army" although not today, norbert rottgen head of their foreign policy committee said having an EU army was " a european vision whos time has come". Now is the paper making it up or lying or is it that you are totally blind to the reality and deluded " If he doesn't have the power to do it, they why are you concerned about it? You still haven't answered my question as to why you are so terrified about an EU Army, but are happy with the UK JEF and the CJEF. The EU Army is just talk but the other two are real, why aren't you concerned about them? | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression?" What is the point of the UK JEF and the CJEF? Is that also expansionism and aggression? | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression? What is the point of the UK JEF and the CJEF? Is that also expansionism and aggression?" why don't you answer the question? | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression? What is the point of the UK JEF and the CJEF? Is that also expansionism and aggression? why don't you answer the question?" Because it makes no sense that you piss your pants about simply the idea of an 'Army', but seemingly have no understanding or opinion about defence organisations that already exist. | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression? What is the point of the UK JEF and the CJEF? Is that also expansionism and aggression? why don't you answer the question? Because it makes no sense that you piss your pants about simply the idea of an 'Army', but seemingly have no understanding or opinion about defence organisations that already exist." you mean you can't answer the question without looking a twat | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression?" What is the point of Europol and The European arrest warrant? What is the point of UK/German, UK/Franco, Franco/German military exchanges and exercises outside of NATO? As has been explained to you, NATO has a HQ but is not its own army and as the old saying goes, friends who play together, stick together. I get it that there would be a fear of the British military being morphed into a Euro military but that is not even under any kind of consideration. Closer co-operation between the military defence forces of all our European neighbours is a very good thing. | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression? What is the point of Europol and The European arrest warrant? What is the point of UK/German, UK/Franco, Franco/German military exchanges and exercises outside of NATO? As has been explained to you, NATO has a HQ but is not its own army and as the old saying goes, friends who play together, stick together. I get it that there would be a fear of the British military being morphed into a Euro military but that is not even under any kind of consideration. Closer co-operation between the military defence forces of all our European neighbours is a very good thing." Sorry but really need to do some research if you think that is the case, google the guardian article it quotes juncker, the german minister and foriegn policy chief among others,they all state they want an eu army and the time is now, we dont need it and the EU cant afford it but the biggest point is its just another step to a united states of europe, if you want that to happen then thats fine as you are 100% entittled to have that view, I dont | |||
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"What would be the point of an EU army other than for expansionism and aggression? What is the point of Europol and The European arrest warrant? What is the point of UK/German, UK/Franco, Franco/German military exchanges and exercises outside of NATO? As has been explained to you, NATO has a HQ but is not its own army and as the old saying goes, friends who play together, stick together. I get it that there would be a fear of the British military being morphed into a Euro military but that is not even under any kind of consideration. Closer co-operation between the military defence forces of all our European neighbours is a very good thing." we already have those things though so whats the problem? And its not about closer co-operation, its about an EU army. See quotes above. So what other purpose would it serve other than aggression? | |||
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" we already have those things though so whats the problem? And its not about closer co-operation, its about an EU army. See quotes above. So what other purpose would it serve other than aggression?" We know you have a somewhat warped view of the EU, but do you honestly believe that the 27 member states are going to merge all of their national militaries, and then go and invade other countries to make the EU larger? That's what you think of our European allies? | |||
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" we already have those things though so whats the problem? And its not about closer co-operation, its about an EU army. See quotes above. So what other purpose would it serve other than aggression? We know you have a somewhat warped view of the EU, but do you honestly believe that the 27 member states are going to merge all of their national militaries, and then go and invade other countries to make the EU larger? That's what you think of our European allies? "I'm sorry but you are the one with a warped view of the EU. So tell us then, what is the point of an EU army if not expansionism and aggression? | |||
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" we already have those things though so whats the problem? And its not about closer co-operation, its about an EU army. See quotes above. So what other purpose would it serve other than aggression? We know you have a somewhat warped view of the EU, but do you honestly believe that the 27 member states are going to merge all of their national militaries, and then go and invade other countries to make the EU larger? That's what you think of our European allies?
I'm sorry but you are the one with a warped view of the EU.
So tell us then, what is the point of an EU army if not expansionism and aggression?"I'm just astounded that you believe the citizens of Spain, of Poland, of Belgium, of Malta and Cyprus etc. are going to elect governments that will agree to disbanding/merging their national militaries and then go and invade other countries. You believe that there is support from the 435 million other EU citizens to invade other countries to enlarge the EU? You are normally saying how much they hate the EU, hate the Euro, now you are saying they are willing to spill blood for it? | |||
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" we already have those things though so whats the problem? And its not about closer co-operation, its about an EU army. See quotes above. So what other purpose would it serve other than aggression? We know you have a somewhat warped view of the EU, but do you honestly believe that the 27 member states are going to merge all of their national militaries, and then go and invade other countries to make the EU larger? That's what you think of our European allies?
I'm sorry but you are the one with a warped view of the EU.
So tell us then, what is the point of an EU army if not expansionism and aggression?
I'm just astounded that you believe the citizens of Spain, of Poland, of Belgium, of Malta and Cyprus etc. are going to elect governments that will agree to disbanding/merging their national militaries and then go and invade other countries. You believe that there is support from the 435 million other EU citizens to invade other countries to enlarge the EU?
You are normally saying how much they hate the EU, hate the Euro, now you are saying they are willing to spill blood for it? "you are being simplistic. It is the people at the top that want things like this. Ok don't answer the question but take note of what the 'expert' Colonel Bob Stewart says on the matter - 'an EU army would be a Trojan Horse in the drive to reach a European Superstate' Now what do you think that leads to? | |||
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