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The Liberal Democrats have been fined the maximum penalty of £20,000 by the electoral commission for failing to declare the correct spending limits at the 2015 General election. It was discussed on the Daily politics programme on Wednesday and the lib dems failed to declare a total of 307 payments which they are required to by law. The Labour party received a similar fine in October for the same offence and the electoral commission's investigations into this on the Conservative party are still ongoing. The electoral commission would like to see the maximum penalty of £20,000 for breaking this rule increased and the police are also considering criminal prosecutions as this is also a matter of law which the Liberal Democrats have broken. When the Daily politics programme asked the Liberal Democrats to send a representative on the programme to do an interview on this they declined and refused to give a statement on the matter. Should fines be increased and should the police now make prosecutions for these offences? |
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"Its there to prevent corruption so I think it absolutely be changed. Should be fining them 500% of the value of the unreported donations."
That sounds about right. Introducing criminal charges is fraught, you might end up punishing someone who had come under enormous pressure from the bods above to fiddle the books, in addition criminal conviction requires a much higher standard of proof, which could discourage initial prosecution. |
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"Its there to prevent corruption so I think it absolutely be changed. Should be fining them 500% of the value of the unreported donations.
That sounds about right. Introducing criminal charges is fraught, you might end up punishing someone who had come under enormous pressure from the bods above to fiddle the books, in addition criminal conviction requires a much higher standard of proof, which could discourage initial prosecution."
It is already a criminal offence. |
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"at this point in time these are only accusations. No wrong doing has been proved, I expect that Lib Dems could well take this case to court to clear their name."
At this point in time, these accusations have been upheld by the commission. Of course the Lib Dems can appeal. Until any appeal is upheld, they are guilty as fuck. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it."
why?
everyone knows a lib dem can't be trusted. And thats not biased, just ask Paddy Pantsdown |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it."
The commission is independent. They looked at it in an unbiased way. They made a judgment. They decided that the Lib Dems broke the rules. Your point? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
The commission is independent. They looked at it in an unbiased way. They made a judgment. They decided that the Lib Dems broke the rules. Your point?"
Why is it that you automatically think the Lib Dems must be guilty then and the Tory in South Thanet must be innocent? At this time both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations (although I'm not aware the Lib Dems are being investigated by Police at this time, maybe you know different?) |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
The commission is independent. They looked at it in an unbiased way. They made a judgment. They decided that the Lib Dems broke the rules. Your point?
Why is it that you automatically think the Lib Dems must be guilty then and the Tory in South Thanet must be innocent? At this time both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations (although I'm not aware the Lib Dems are being investigated by Police at this time, maybe you know different?)"
Because the commission has ruled? Oh, weird, eh? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
The commission is independent. They looked at it in an unbiased way. They made a judgment. They decided that the Lib Dems broke the rules. Your point?
Why is it that you automatically think the Lib Dems must be guilty then and the Tory in South Thanet must be innocent? At this time both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations (although I'm not aware the Lib Dems are being investigated by Police at this time, maybe you know different?)
Because the commission has ruled? Oh, weird, eh?"
Well that was a quick investigation, lol. Was it the electoral commision who concluded this?
I saw the Lib dems on sky news talking about getting the police involved, has that gone out the window now then, because we must all accept the electoral commission ruling?
Do they even get the chance to defend themselves in a court of law? |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
The commission is independent. They looked at it in an unbiased way. They made a judgment. They decided that the Lib Dems broke the rules. Your point?
Why is it that you automatically think the Lib Dems must be guilty then and the Tory in South Thanet must be innocent? At this time both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations (although I'm not aware the Lib Dems are being investigated by Police at this time, maybe you know different?)
Because the commission has ruled? Oh, weird, eh?
Well that was a quick investigation, lol. Was it the electoral commision who concluded this?
I saw the Lib dems on sky news talking about getting the police involved, has that gone out the window now then, because we must all accept the electoral commission ruling?
Do they even get the chance to defend themselves in a court of law?"
I'd bet if the electoral commission ruled against Brexit you would be the first to defend the ruling. |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
The commission is independent. They looked at it in an unbiased way. They made a judgment. They decided that the Lib Dems broke the rules. Your point?
Why is it that you automatically think the Lib Dems must be guilty then and the Tory in South Thanet must be innocent? At this time both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations (although I'm not aware the Lib Dems are being investigated by Police at this time, maybe you know different?)
Because the commission has ruled? Oh, weird, eh?
Well that was a quick investigation, lol. Was it the electoral commision who concluded this?
I saw the Lib dems on sky news talking about getting the police involved, has that gone out the window now then, because we must all accept the electoral commission ruling?
Do they even get the chance to defend
themselves in a court of law?"
I am sure that they can seek a review if they wish to. I am pretty sure that they won't. That would be because they breached the rules. |
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"The Liberal Democrats have been fined the maximum penalty of £20,000 by the electoral commission for failing to declare the correct spending limits at the 2015 General election. It was discussed on the Daily politics programme on Wednesday and the lib dems failed to declare a total of 307 payments which they are required to by law. The Labour party received a similar fine in October for the same offence and the electoral commission's investigations into this on the Conservative party are still ongoing. The electoral commission would like to see the maximum penalty of £20,000 for breaking this rule increased and the police are also considering criminal prosecutions as this is also a matter of law which the Liberal Democrats have broken. When the Daily politics programme asked the Liberal Democrats to send a representative on the programme to do an interview on this they declined and refused to give a statement on the matter. Should fines be increased and should the police now make prosecutions for these offences?"
I think they should be fined for using a misleading name.. democrats they most definitely aren't!! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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I think it reflects more on the electoral commission that their systems and practices are nothing more than a joke. If the electoral commission don't like it then why don't they change the rules so MP's only get paid when they show up for work in Parliament. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i must be living in bizzaro because when the same sort of allegations were made against ukip about 2 weeks ago i am sure a lot of people in the thread refused to condemn them... and went as far to say it was fine "because all the others were doing it"....
p.s we are still await the verdict against the conservatives and UKIP with regard to south thanet......
and "some" went as far to say i am sure that ukip would take it further....
i'll say the same thing i said in that thread... if they did it, they were wrong!!!just man up and admit it...
so i await the same sort of thing from a ukip support with regards to their dodgy spending.... but i won't hold my breath.... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical..... |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical....."
Well Fabio im sure you noticed that there are some very hypocritical people on here....oh well me for one didnt expect any different from these people  |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical....."
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.  |
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Whoever breaks the rules should be brought to task....id even go further and say ...if there found out to have told lies during election or referendum campaigns...they should also be brought to task as well |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems. "
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone!  |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone! "
weren't UKIP accused of something completely different though |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone! "
............... and boom goes the dynamite!!!!!
So....... care to comment now? |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone! "
Explain why you didn't post a thread about the Labour party being fined in October then, or on this case about the lib dems this week for that matter, but as soon as a story about ukip comes along you go running to your keyboard, lol. |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone!
weren't UKIP accused of something completely different though"
Yes the ukip case was to do with EU investigations into ukip finances, the Labour party, and Lib dem investigations were to do with the electoral commission rules on spending limits at the general election so completely different. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone!
weren't UKIP accused of something completely different though
Yes the ukip case was to do with EU investigations into ukip finances, the Labour party, and Lib dem investigations were to do with the electoral commission rules on spending limits at the general election so completely different. "
Because one was theft, and one was spending their own money but over the allowed limit. Which was worse? |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone!
weren't UKIP accused of something completely different though
Yes the ukip case was to do with EU investigations into ukip finances, the Labour party, and Lib dem investigations were to do with the electoral commission rules on spending limits at the general election so completely different.
Because one was theft, and one was spending their own money but over the allowed limit. Which was worse?"
the GUILTY one |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Because one was theft, and one was spending their own money but over the allowed limit. Which was worse?
the GUILTY one"
both were found guilty....
so can we finally just get a statement from a person with ukip leanings to say ukip were wrong on this matter?
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it."
So are you saying that the electoral commission are not experts in electoral matters, or that their expertise imay be flawed? |
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Because one was theft, and one was spending their own money but over the allowed limit. Which was worse?
the GUILTY one
both were found guilty....
so can we finally just get a statement from a person with ukip leanings to say ukip were wrong on this matter?
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Oh. How much have UKIP been fined? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Because one was theft, and one was spending their own money but over the allowed limit. Which was worse?
the GUILTY one
both were found guilty....
so can we finally just get a statement from a person with ukip leanings to say ukip were wrong on this matter?
Oh. How much have UKIP been fined?"
UKIP had to return all the money...AND they are now under another electoral commission investigation for using some of the EU money in the brexit campaign (U.K. Rules state that only money from a British source, be that company or individual, can be used in a general election or referendum)
So go on... just for once admit that ukip did something wrong......
It's not that hard...... |
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Because one was theft, and one was spending their own money but over the allowed limit. Which was worse?
the GUILTY one
both were found guilty....
so can we finally just get a statement from a person with ukip leanings to say ukip were wrong on this matter?
Oh. How much have UKIP been fined?
UKIP had to return all the money...AND they are now under another electoral commission investigation for using some of the EU money in the brexit campaign (U.K. Rules state that only money from a British source, be that company or individual, can be used in a general election or referendum)
So go on... just for once admit that ukip did something wrong......
It's not that hard...... "
when did they return the money? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
So are you saying that the electoral commission are not experts in electoral matters, or that their expertise imay be flawed?"
You'll have to ask Centaur, its his quote |
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?  "
UKIP? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?
UKIP?"
Nope, they have been investigated externally and internally, the report has been read by a committee of MEPs, and they have upheld the report and demanded the money be paid back. That's it, over, done, completed, found guilty. |
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?
UKIP?
Nope, they have been investigated externally and internally, the report has been read by a committee of MEPs, and they have upheld the report and demanded the money be paid back. That's it, over, done, completed, found guilty."
so why has it not been paid back?
Should this be taken to a court of law then or should that only apply to lib dems? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?
UKIP?
Nope, they have been investigated externally and internally, the report has been read by a committee of MEPs, and they have upheld the report and demanded the money be paid back. That's it, over, done, completed, found guilty.
so why has it not been paid back?
Should this be taken to a court of law then or should that only apply to lib dems?"
You will have to ask Centaur, he was the one who wrote about taking it to court. My posts above were just his comments from the thread about UKIP. I just copied it and swapped Lib Dems where he has written UKIP |
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?
UKIP?
Nope, they have been investigated externally and internally, the report has been read by a committee of MEPs, and they have upheld the report and demanded the money be paid back. That's it, over, done, completed, found guilty.
so why has it not been paid back?
Should this be taken to a court of law then or should that only apply to lib dems?
You will have to ask Centaur, he was the one who wrote about taking it to court. My posts above were just his comments from the thread about UKIP. I just copied it and swapped Lib Dems where he has written UKIP"
Ok, so the lib dems are guilty then? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?
UKIP?
Nope, they have been investigated externally and internally, the report has been read by a committee of MEPs, and they have upheld the report and demanded the money be paid back. That's it, over, done, completed, found guilty.
so why has it not been paid back?
Should this be taken to a court of law then or should that only apply to lib dems?
You will have to ask Centaur, he was the one who wrote about taking it to court. My posts above were just his comments from the thread about UKIP. I just copied it and swapped Lib Dems where he has written UKIP
Ok, so the lib dems are guilty then?"
Yes! They've been investigated by the body that we have created to investigate such things, the electoral commission, and have been fined in accordance with the rules. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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so to clarify... the lib dems were found guilty by the electoral comission...
ukip have been found guilty by the EU comission.... and are now being investigated by the electoral comission as a result of the defence they themselves put up in relation to the independent findings, which appear to have broken UK rules
the conservatives are still be under investigations with regards to overspending in south thanet, Ukip are being invesigated for the same thing....
so can we all agree that those found Guilty so far should hold their hands up?
please don't try to criticise one side whilst defending the other!!!! |
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"so to clarify... the lib dems were found guilty by the electoral comission...
ukip have been found guilty by the EU comission.... and are now being investigated by the electoral comission as a result of the defence they themselves put up in relation to the independent findings, which appear to have broken UK rules
the conservatives are still be under investigations with regards to overspending in south thanet, Ukip are being invesigated for the same thing....
so can we all agree that those found Guilty so far should hold their hands up?
please don't try to criticise one side whilst defending the other!!!!"
They are political parties. They are all supposed to be corrupt. Just living up to the hype.
Thank goodness that there are institutions to censor their behaviour. |
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"so to clarify... the lib dems were found guilty by the electoral comission...
ukip have been found guilty by the EU comission.... and are now being investigated by the electoral comission as a result of the defence they themselves put up in relation to the independent findings, which appear to have broken UK rules
the conservatives are still be under investigations with regards to overspending in south thanet, Ukip are being invesigated for the same thing....
so can we all agree that those found Guilty so far should hold their hands up?
please don't try to criticise one side whilst defending the other!!!!"
this..
its almost like 3 different school kids have been caught tea leafing and all have some of the pick and mix in their individual pockets..
yet some are saying oh well yes but my little one err well you know..
wearing blinkers or being one eyed never affords one the best outlook.. |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
So are you saying that the electoral commission are not experts in electoral matters, or that their expertise imay be flawed?
You'll have to ask Centaur, its his quote "
No it isn't. You changed the wording so you actually misquoted me. |
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"so to clarify... the lib dems were found guilty by the electoral comission...
ukip have been found guilty by the EU comission.... and are now being investigated by the electoral comission as a result of the defence they themselves put up in relation to the independent findings, which appear to have broken UK rules
the conservatives are still be under investigations with regards to overspending in south thanet, Ukip are being invesigated for the same thing....
so can we all agree that those found Guilty so far should hold their hands up?
please don't try to criticise one side whilst defending the other!!!!"
You forgot the Labour party were also found guilty of the same offence as the Lib dems by the electoral commission back in October and we're fined accordingly. |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
So are you saying that the electoral commission are not experts in electoral matters, or that their expertise imay be flawed?
You'll have to ask Centaur, its his quote
No it isn't. You changed the wording so you actually misquoted me. "
Well feel free to clarify here then
You thought that the independent investigation into UKIP wasn't independent enough and called for another independent body or court of law for UKIP, do the Lib Dems deserve the same? |
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"The Lib Dems interpretation of the rules in this case differ to the electoral commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it.
So are you saying that the electoral commission are not experts in electoral matters, or that their expertise imay be flawed?
You'll have to ask Centaur, its his quote
No it isn't. You changed the wording so you actually misquoted me.
Well feel free to clarify here then
You thought that the independent investigation into UKIP wasn't independent enough and called for another independent body or court of law for UKIP, do the Lib Dems deserve the same? "
Ukip said they would go to court to clear their name over the EU's findings, it was reported on the news so I only said here what was reported on the news. If the Lib dems want to take their case to court to clear their name that is entirely up to them, but it's not been reported on the news that they will be fighting it in court, unless you know different? |
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"i must be living in bizzaro because when the same sort of allegations were made against ukip about 2 weeks ago i am sure a lot of people in the thread refused to condemn them... and went as far to say it was fine "because all the others were doing it"....
p.s we are still await the verdict against the conservatives and UKIP with regard to south thanet......
and "some" went as far to say i am sure that ukip would take it further....
i'll say the same thing i said in that thread... if they did it, they were wrong!!!just man up and admit it...
so i await the same sort of thing from a ukip support with regards to their dodgy spending.... but i won't hold my breath...."
That's my feeling completely. If any political party or organisation has broken the rules with regard to spending or anything else, they must be held to account. It does not matter if it's a party I support, like, dislike or anything else. It also does not matter if it's a rule I agree with or not. The rules are the rules. It's about living under the rule of law. But then we all know where most BREXITers on here stand when it comes to obeying the law. For them the rules and the law only seem to matter if it furthers their cause. |
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"I knew I wasn't living in bizzaro
It was a shame this thread petered out because the reveal would have been a peach and some people here would have looked very hypocritical.....
Isn't it funny that Lib dem supporting remainers were quick to post that thread about ukip the other week and quickly posted on it to condemn ukip but the Labour party were fined by the electoral commission for this offence in October and no threads about that were posted????
Again no Remainers posted about the news of the Lib dems being fined by the electoral commission so I took it upon myself to post one. There are some astonishing double standards being displayed here. As soon as ukip get accused of anything a thread immediately goes up but people turn a blind eye to the Labour party and the lib dems.
Actually Centaur every post of mine in this thread was actually a post from yourself on the UKIP thread. I just took out UKIP or Farage and replaced it with Lib Dems. So the double standards are yours and yours alone!
weren't UKIP accused of something completely different though
Yes the ukip case was to do with EU investigations into ukip finances, the Labour party, and Lib dem investigations were to do with the electoral commission rules on spending limits at the general election so completely different. "
And didn't the UKIP one involve a lot more money? Millions if I remember correctly. |
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"I'm not defending UKIP but as far as I can tell, so far one has been found guilty and one is still being investigated
Which one is still being investigated?
UKIP?"
Well actually UKIP have been found at fault in the European case and are now being investigated about their use of funds in the General Election and the referendum.
The LibDems have been found at fault over their use of funds in the General Election.
No one in either UKIP or the LibDems has been found guilty by a court of law, of anything; yet. |
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"i must be living in bizzaro because when the same sort of allegations were made against ukip about 2 weeks ago i am sure a lot of people in the thread refused to condemn them... and went as far to say it was fine "because all the others were doing it"....
p.s we are still await the verdict against the conservatives and UKIP with regard to south thanet......
and "some" went as far to say i am sure that ukip would take it further....
i'll say the same thing i said in that thread... if they did it, they were wrong!!!just man up and admit it...
so i await the same sort of thing from a ukip support with regards to their dodgy spending.... but i won't hold my breath....
That's my feeling completely. If any political party or organisation has broken the rules with regard to spending or anything else, they must be held to account. It does not matter if it's a party I support, like, dislike or anything else. It also does not matter if it's a rule I agree with or not. The rules are the rules. It's about living under the rule of law. But then we all know where most BREXITers on here stand when it comes to obeying the law. For them the rules and the law only seem to matter if it furthers their cause."
Really? Why do you say that? |
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"i must be living in bizzaro because when the same sort of allegations were made against ukip about 2 weeks ago i am sure a lot of people in the thread refused to condemn them... and went as far to say it was fine "because all the others were doing it"....
p.s we are still await the verdict against the conservatives and UKIP with regard to south thanet......
and "some" went as far to say i am sure that ukip would take it further....
i'll say the same thing i said in that thread... if they did it, they were wrong!!!just man up and admit it...
so i await the same sort of thing from a ukip support with regards to their dodgy spending.... but i won't hold my breath....
That's my feeling completely. If any political party or organisation has broken the rules with regard to spending or anything else, they must be held to account. It does not matter if it's a party I support, like, dislike or anything else. It also does not matter if it's a rule I agree with or not. The rules are the rules. It's about living under the rule of law. But then we all know where most BREXITers on here stand when it comes to obeying the law. For them the rules and the law only seem to matter if it furthers their cause.
Really? Why do you say that?"
Because of the constant double standards most on here seem to show. Take this thread as an example. The Lib Dems are accused of not properly declaring about £180,000 of their own money used for election expenses. Note that it was their own money and it wasn't misspent or spent on something that it was not meant to be spent on, it just wasn't property declared. UKIP is accused of actually misspending almost £500,000 of money that was given to it for one thing but they used it for something else. The money was not UKIP's own money that it had collected from its own supporters, it was our money that was give to UKIP for use within Europe, not for fighting elections either here in the UK or anywhere else. In addition they also stand accused of not properly declaring the money they did spend, which was not theirs to spend in the first place.
And yet many of the UKIPers & BREXITers on here say what UKIP has done is OK because it was a victimless crime but are all over the Lib Dems, who've not actually stolen or misspent any money.
Any reasonable person should be able see that, while both have done wrong, taking, misspending and not properly declaring someone else's money is definitely far worse than simply not properly declaring how you spent your own money.
But then it would be a bit of an oxymoron to expect UKIPers & BREXITers to also be reasonable, wouldn't it? |
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"i must be living in bizzaro because when the same sort of allegations were made against ukip about 2 weeks ago i am sure a lot of people in the thread refused to condemn them... and went as far to say it was fine "because all the others were doing it"....
p.s we are still await the verdict against the conservatives and UKIP with regard to south thanet......
and "some" went as far to say i am sure that ukip would take it further....
i'll say the same thing i said in that thread... if they did it, they were wrong!!!just man up and admit it...
so i await the same sort of thing from a ukip support with regards to their dodgy spending.... but i won't hold my breath....
That's my feeling completely. If any political party or organisation has broken the rules with regard to spending or anything else, they must be held to account. It does not matter if it's a party I support, like, dislike or anything else. It also does not matter if it's a rule I agree with or not. The rules are the rules. It's about living under the rule of law. But then we all know where most BREXITers on here stand when it comes to obeying the law. For them the rules and the law only seem to matter if it furthers their cause.
Really? Why do you say that?
Because of the constant double standards most on here seem to show. Take this thread as an example. The Lib Dems are accused of not properly declaring about £180,000 of their own money used for election expenses. Note that it was their own money and it wasn't misspent or spent on something that it was not meant to be spent on, it just wasn't property declared. UKIP is accused of actually misspending almost £500,000 of money that was given to it for one thing but they used it for something else. The money was not UKIP's own money that it had collected from its own supporters, it was our money that was give to UKIP for use within Europe, not for fighting elections either here in the UK or anywhere else. In addition they also stand accused of not properly declaring the money they did spend, which was not theirs to spend in the first place.
And yet many of the UKIPers & BREXITers on here say what UKIP has done is OK because it was a victimless crime but are all over the Lib Dems, who've not actually stolen or misspent any money.
Any reasonable person should be able see that, while both have done wrong, taking, misspending and not properly declaring someone else's money is definitely far worse than simply not properly declaring how you spent your own money.
But then it would be a bit of an oxymoron to expect UKIPers & BREXITers to also be reasonable, wouldn't it?"
Erm, any party that exceeds the rules should be up for scrutiny. And is.
I really don't see where Bexiters come into it.
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Erm, any party that exceeds the rules should be up for scrutiny. And is.
I really don't see where Bexiters come into it.
Are they some sort of weird bird shit?"
There are some for whom UKIP can do no wrong on this forum |
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The electoral commission picked up on the Labour breach when journalists couldn't see Ed Milibands giant gravestone of pledges. The Labour Party then went back and found a load more that had been missed off and voluntarily disclosed them. They then co-operated with the Commission who found even more and fined them a record £20,000.
As they have received a similar fine the Lib Dems have done something similar.
These are slap on the wrists, albeit quite comparatively heavy compared to previous fines.
So what of the Tories.
Apart from the fact that they didn't co-operate and tried to conceal information which nearly took them to the High court, whatever it is the electoral commission have found, they haven't fined them yet.
Instead, they have passed information on to the Police and around 20 Forces are currently considering criminal prosecution. This of course will take precedent over fines.
The alleged offences took place in the key marginals targetted in the election by the Conservatives.
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