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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
Labour have called it a victory that they got the Tories to reveal their plans in exchange to trigger article 50 how dumb are these Labour mps? So if the Tories say hard brexit and no access to the single market which Labour say they want the single market but will trigger it anyway |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
The only hope for Labour is for Mrs May to get a more or less successful brexit.
If it all goes wrong, then UKIP will wipe out Labour in the North and the East, and maybe other areas as well.
The chattering Islington set have no idea what goes on up north, and it appears that they don't wish to know either.
They didn't listen in Scotland and got wiped out. Northern Labour MPs are now seriously concerned that they are next! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Labour are dead in scotland they stood shoulder to shoulder with the tories and for that they will never be forgiven ,roll on may when they get wiped out at council elections too  |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
"Labour are dead in scotland they stood shoulder to shoulder with the tories and for that they will never be forgiven ,roll on may when they get wiped out at council elections too "
 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think Scotland was lost by labour for good reason. There is a good reason people in the North, Wales ad Scotland called Ed's Labour Tory Lite.
As for the future. I think Scotland is lost to everyone bar the SNP for at least two GEs.
As for labour's future I think it depends one when the next general election is - and what UKIP puts on the table. They are being oddly quiet atm.
That said, I could see the next GE as one where labour and the tories lose some traditional safe seats. Labour to UKIP, Tories to lib dems. It really depends on how brexit is, or isn't going. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
At the moment the only hope for Labour seems to be that all other political parties in the UK decide to give up on politics and retire to spend more time with their families.
Corbyn will be the death of the party. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At the moment the only hope for Labour seems to be that all other political parties in the UK decide to give up on politics and retire to spend more time with their families.
Corbyn will be the death of the party."
I don't often say this but I agree with you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour finish 4th in Sleaford by-election.
The writing is firmly on the wall"
disaster for a mid term by election. The Tories and UKIP got 66% of the vote in an area that voted 62% for Brexit so I would say the desire to leave the EU is just as strong now. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
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what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours? |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours?"
It's a clear indication of how individual voters in different regions may have a different view on the EU......the idle amongst us also like to blame someone else for their woes....mainly immigrants taking all the jobs (that the idle wouldn't do anyway).
I'm off to do some work..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours?
It's a clear indication of how individual voters in different regions may have a different view on the EU......the idle amongst us also like to blame someone else for their woes....mainly immigrants taking all the jobs (that the idle wouldn't do anyway).
I'm off to do some work....."
aren't you blaming Brexiters for possible future woes? Take it easy |
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"Labour are dead in scotland they stood shoulder to shoulder with the tories and for that they will never be forgiven ,roll on may when they get wiped out at council elections too "
Have the voting public become so peurile that they damn a political party because they stood with another party for the greater good of the country?( Scotland) if labour had t stood with the Tories then we may well have ended up as an 'independent' bankrupt 3rd world economy... for what?.... our wee bit hill and glen?.....let's please leave that nonsense in the past where it belongs.
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"Labour have called it a victory that they got the Tories to reveal their plans in exchange to trigger article 50 how dumb are these Labour mps? So if the Tories say hard brexit and no access to the single market which Labour say they want the single market but will trigger it anyway "
Because until the next general election we have a majority of MP's being remainers and the oddity of labour mps representing large brexit majorities in their constituencies. Astute manoeuvre by Tories but meaningless when article 50 gets triggered next year when things will get real |
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"Labour finish 4th in Sleaford by-election.
The writing is firmly on the wall
disaster for a mid term by election. The Tories and UKIP got 66% of the vote in an area that voted 62% for Brexit so I would say the desire to leave the EU is just as strong now. "
As the remainers claimed last week the by election result in Richmond was a clear message to the country that we should stay in the EU, the by election Result in Sleaford last night was a clear message to the country that we should leave the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours?"
I live in Lincolnshire quite close to Sleaford...Boston etc etc....theres been a campaign going on for ages about the number of immigrants in this area....sad thing about it...is that none of the people who are doing it will get off there lazy asses and do the work these good people do...oh and btw....for generations these areas have always voted conservative |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours?
I live in Lincolnshire quite close to Sleaford...Boston etc etc....theres been a campaign going on for ages about the number of immigrants in this area....sad thing about it...is that none of the people who are doing it will get off there lazy asses and do the work these good people do...oh and btw....for generations these areas have always voted conservative "
I don't see your point |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours?
I live in Lincolnshire quite close to Sleaford...Boston etc etc....theres been a campaign going on for ages about the number of immigrants in this area....sad thing about it...is that none of the people who are doing it will get off there lazy asses and do the work these good people do...oh and btw....for generations these areas have always voted conservative
I don't see your point"
I didnt expect you to get it....its those blinkers your wearing |
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"Labour have called it a victory that they got the Tories to reveal their plans in exchange to trigger article 50 how dumb are these Labour mps? So if the Tories say hard brexit and no access to the single market which Labour say they want the single market but will trigger it anyway "
I would say they are not dumb enough to give the tories a free hand.
It is their job to hold the government to account that is what they are doing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lincolnshire saw a large Leave vote on the referendum because of one reason, there are many Eastern Europeans living in the region and the local British population vote in protest against that fact......maybe they should ask themselves WHY there are so many Eastern European migrants in their region......ask any farmer why in the East of the country and they will tell you it's because they can no longer get the local British population to pick their crops......Many unemployed Brits think they are too good for that kind of work, many have become far too comfortable on benefits.....
what difference does a reason make? Is theirs less valid than yours?
I live in Lincolnshire quite close to Sleaford...Boston etc etc....theres been a campaign going on for ages about the number of immigrants in this area....sad thing about it...is that none of the people who are doing it will get off there lazy asses and do the work these good people do...oh and btw....for generations these areas have always voted conservative
I don't see your point
I didnt expect you to get it....its those blinkers your wearing "
I didn't because you didn't actually make a point to the question at hand. What makes anyones reason for voting the way they did less valid than anyone elses? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Btw....all parties are finished in Scotland apart from one....heres the breakdown for you.
Scottish National Party 54
Independent 2
Scottish Labour Party 1
Scottish Conservative Party 1
Scottish Liberal Democrats 1
Total 59
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
Manchester Area |
the problem is you have a party in Scotland that are shouting loudly about unsustainable policies amd the bullshit from the 'main two' has been sniffed and deemed to stink way too much ..no doubt the next firat minister will be A Trout ..continuing the fishy gojngs on ?? |
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
Manchester Area |
"Btw....all parties are finished in Scotland apart from one....heres the breakdown for you.
Scottish National Party 54
Independent 2
Scottish Labour Party 1
Scottish Conservative Party 1
Scottish Liberal Democrats 1
Total 59
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59 MPs for 4.5 Million People ..and they preach democracy!!!! |
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"59 MPs for 4.5 Million People ..and they preach democracy!!!!"
Just under 10% of the population and just under 10% of Westminster MP's.
Sounds about right to me. Maybe you would like to explain what it is that upsets you so much it takes four exclamation marks to make your point? |
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I just watched Dianne About on the Andrew Marr show this morning.
Well I wasn't totally shure what Labour's policy was on BREXIT before but now I'm totally confused. It seems to "we're against BREXIT but we're going to vote for it"!!
WTF!!
The one time in British history when the Labour party could actually make some sort of really useful contribution to the debate on our future and what's it doing? Sitting on it's bloody arse gazing ar its own belly button. For God's sake Labour, get your f'ing act together. Currently you're just pissing off both leave and remain, as has been seen in the two recent bi-elections. Either come out for BREXIT or against it. The Tories have come out mostly for BREXIT and, although they won't get my vote again until that changes, they're doing OK in the poles; the Lib Dems have come out against BREXIT and are doing better in the poles as a result. No one, including Labour it's self, seems to know where they stand on BREXIT, the most important issue this country has faced since 1939. No wonder neither leave or remain supporters are voting for them. |
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
Manchester Area |
"59 MPs for 4.5 Million People ..and they preach democracy!!!!
Just under 10% of the population and just under 10% of Westminster MP's.
Sounds about right to me. Maybe you would like to explain what it is that upsets you so much it takes four exclamation marks to make your point?"
My finger stuck?? My English teacher would have a fit if she were to see more than one!
My maths teacher would say there is a 'huge' difference between 7.6 and 10 per cent (population) and probably argue the difference between 10 percent and 11 percent (rounding) would be 'significant too. of course it depends upon your source and your trust in 'official ' statistics. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"59 MPs for 4.5 Million People ..and they preach democracy!!!!
Just under 10% of the population and just under 10% of Westminster MP's.
Sounds about right to me. Maybe you would like to explain what it is that upsets you so much it takes four exclamation marks to make your point?"
So you're for Proportional Representation then?
SNP actually got 4.7% of the votes cast - making about 33 seats.
UKIP and Greens got 16.5% of the vote, but have only 2 MPs between them.
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"Labour have called it a victory that they got the Tories to reveal their plans in exchange to trigger article 50 how dumb are these Labour mps? So if the Tories say hard brexit and no access to the single market which Labour say they want the single market but will trigger it anyway "
Labour haven't said they will trigger it anyway. They want a proper discussion and a genuine concensus on what should be the way forward.
If they don't get that they will oppose. Or at least that is what they say.
I happen to think this is mature. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I just watched Dianne About on the Andrew Marr show this morning.
Well I wasn't totally shure what Labour's policy was on BREXIT before but now I'm totally confused. It seems to "we're against BREXIT but we're going to vote for it"!!
WTF!!
The one time in British history when the Labour party could actually make some sort of really useful contribution to the debate on our future and what's it doing? Sitting on it's bloody arse gazing ar its own belly button. For God's sake Labour, get your f'ing act together. Currently you're just pissing off both leave and remain, as has been seen in the two recent bi-elections. Either come out for BREXIT or against it. The Tories have come out mostly for BREXIT and, although they won't get my vote again until that changes, they're doing OK in the poles; the Lib Dems have come out against BREXIT and are doing better in the poles as a result. No one, including Labour it's self, seems to know where they stand on BREXIT, the most important issue this country has faced since 1939. No wonder neither leave or remain supporters are voting for them."
The problem is, it's not really a leftist issue. It's basically right wing squabbling over the infrastructure capitalism works under. |
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"I do hope so
Because John McDonald with any power is Truly Scary !
Never mind Trump !
McDonald and Corbyn could always have dinner with their old mates Adams and McGuinness .. "
Prick.
Corbyn has always advocated being prepared to sit down with the other side in any conflict, armed or otherwise and talk to see if a peaceful resolution can be found.
Mrs Thatcher refused to do that.
Have you not seen how things now are in Northern Ireland?
How do you think we got there?
Do you think Corbyn was wrong and Thatcher was right? Or do you just like smearing people with any old shit? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"I do hope so
Because John McDonald with any power is Truly Scary !
Never mind Trump !
McDonald and Corbyn could always have dinner with their old mates Adams and McGuinness ..
Prick.
Corbyn has always advocated being prepared to sit down with the other side in any conflict, armed or otherwise and talk to see if a peaceful resolution can be found.
Mrs Thatcher refused to do that.
Have you not seen how things now are in Northern Ireland?
How do you think we got there?
Do you think Corbyn was wrong and Thatcher was right? Or do you just like smearing people with any old shit? "
This from the Independant of 20th April 1996
"Margaret Thatcher's government opened top-secret contacts with the IRA and Sinn Fein in 1990, four years before the IRA cease-fire, according to her former Northern Ireland Secretary, Peter Brooke.
Government accounts of the secret link have always implied that the key sequence of contacts began in 1993....
But now Peter Brooke has revealed that, as Northern Ireland Secretary, he was involved in the decision to open the contact in 1990, only six years after Mrs Thatcher had herself been the victim of the IRA's failed assassination attempt at Brighton."
It goes on to say...
"According to the official account, the confidential channel used to convey messages between the government and the IRA had been in existence for years.....
Martin McGuinness's claim that the talks began as early as 1990 has now been borne out by Mr Brooke's revelation.
According to Mr Brooke, the sequence of contacts opened in 1990 following a recommendation from John Deverell, then MI5's most senior officer in Northern Ireland.
Mr Brooke confirmed his role in interviews for a book on the peace process and for a Channel 4 Dispatches documentary to be broadcast this week.
Mr Brooke's revelation means that contacts with the IRA were going on throughout the IRA's intense bombing campaign in Britain which included the mortar attack on Downing Street in February 1991 and the huge City of London bombings in 1992 and 1993." |
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Yes, they're finished, and deservedly so. The last labour man standing/slithering, Murray, was only returned because of tactical voting by tories. How apt!
As ye sow, so shall ye reap. What goes around, eventually comes around.
Commission an edstone, embed it with twelve pieces of silver (or fools' gold), add a suitable inscription ("sic a parcel o' rogues in a nation" would do) and install it outside the old RHS building, which dreadful Dewar refused to consider as the site for the parliament.
When abusers get their come-uppance, it's aye a good day. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Labour are certainly in a mess..It will take a massive election defeat for Corbyn to exit stage left....But Labour will return all politics go in cycles. |
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