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"They keep rolling in: Reported today on the BBC that we may lose the JET. This is the experiment to try to get commercially viable controlled nuclear fusion into use. About time we scrapped this, we have 1000 years of coal reserves, why are we wasting our money on fusion?" How long could we run our power stations if we started burning immigrants and refugees? | |||
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"We will never go back to coal as it gives off to many greenhouse gases,it is a fuel of the past." True, my post is sarcastic. | |||
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"Anyway, I bet a place like that would be absolutely crawling with experts, riddled with them dirty, educated, bastards. Want to become an expert in your field do you? Well you can fuck off and start ploughing the fields instead. I tell you, that Pol Pot fella had the right idea. " Experts, they'll be creating black holes under Geneva next! Soon as we pull our cash out of that white elephant the better! | |||
"They keep rolling in: Reported today on the BBC that we may lose the JET. This is the experiment to try to get commercially viable controlled nuclear fusion into use. About time we scrapped this, we have 1000 years of coal reserves, why are we wasting our money on fusion? How long could we run our power stations if we started burning immigrants and refugees? " not as long as if we burned all the shit you came out with | |||
"Anyway, I bet a place like that would be absolutely crawling with experts, riddled with them dirty, educated, bastards. Want to become an expert in your field do you? Well you can fuck off and start ploughing the fields instead. I tell you, that Pol Pot fella had the right idea. " And ESA, who the fuck needs ESA? We're British, we don't need a space programme! Bloody SSTL building all those Galileo satellites, who do they think they are! | |||
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"They keep rolling in: Reported today on the BBC that we may lose the JET. This is the experiment to try to get commercially viable controlled nuclear fusion into use. About time we scrapped this, we have 1000 years of coal reserves, why are we wasting our money on fusion? How long could we run our power stations if we started burning immigrants and refugees? not as long as if we burned all the shit you came out with" Well, burning shit is carbon neutral so that'd be OK! | |||
"They keep rolling in: Reported today on the BBC that we may lose the JET. This is the experiment to try to get commercially viable controlled nuclear fusion into use. About time we scrapped this, we have 1000 years of coal reserves, why are we wasting our money on fusion? How long could we run our power stations if we started burning immigrants and refugees? not as long as if we burned all the shit you came out with Well, burning shit is carbon neutral so that'd be OK!"  | |||
"How long have they been working on this?" Dedades, but you're not about to go serious on us and tell us that's a good reason to pack in on the only serious route to providing the volume of clean energy we need? | |||
"Anyway, I bet a place like that would be absolutely crawling with experts, riddled with them dirty, educated, bastards. Want to become an expert in your field do you? Well you can fuck off and start ploughing the fields instead. I tell you, that Pol Pot fella had the right idea. And ESA, who the fuck needs ESA? We're British, we don't need a space programme! Bloody SSTL building all those Galileo satellites, who do they think they are!" Yeah, with their fucking contracts for complex engineering supporting high paid technical jobs. We don't want that shit. Who wants a global positioning system, that'll just make it easier for them refugees and immigrants to find us! | |||
"Anyway, I bet a place like that would be absolutely crawling with experts, riddled with them dirty, educated, bastards. Want to become an expert in your field do you? Well you can fuck off and start ploughing the fields instead. I tell you, that Pol Pot fella had the right idea. And ESA, who the fuck needs ESA? We're British, we don't need a space programme! Bloody SSTL building all those Galileo satellites, who do they think they are! Yeah, with their fucking contracts for complex engineering supporting high paid technical jobs. We don't want that shit. Who wants a global positioning system, that'll just make it easier for them refugees and immigrants to find us! " Bloody EU wanting its own GNSS, who do they think they are? GPS is good enough for Trump so its good enough for Farage and GLONASS, Putin manages with that so it's fine for us! Anyway OS mapped Britain with nowt more that a few theodolites and trig points, who needs sat nav anyway? | |||
"How long have they been working on this? Dedades, but you're not about to go serious on us and tell us that's a good reason to pack in on the only serious route to providing the volume of clean energy we need?" Then it's about time they got their fingers out and made a success of it. This might give them the push they need. Now if this is so important why would the UK or the EU stop funding it? At a cost of £60million, or 1 decent premier league footballer a year? Its peanuts. I would suggest that this is simply another BBC scare story for the bed wetters | |||
"How long have they been working on this? Dedades, but you're not about to go serious on us and tell us that's a good reason to pack in on the only serious route to providing the volume of clean energy we need? Then it's about time they got their fingers out and made a success of it. This might give them the push they need. Now if this is so important why would the UK or the EU stop funding it? At a cost of £60million, or 1 decent premier league footballer a year? Its peanuts. I would suggest that this is simply another BBC scare story for the bed wetters " It's not about the funding, or the BBC, it's about the movement of people. I can't copy and paste it but read the latest speech by the president of the Royal Society on the subject. | |||
"How long have they been working on this? Dedades, but you're not about to go serious on us and tell us that's a good reason to pack in on the only serious route to providing the volume of clean energy we need? Then it's about time they got their fingers out and made a success of it. This might give them the push they need. Now if this is so important why would the UK or the EU stop funding it? At a cost of £60million, or 1 decent premier league footballer a year? Its peanuts. I would suggest that this is simply another BBC scare story for the bed wetters It's not about the funding, or the BBC, it's about the movement of people. I can't copy and paste it but read the latest speech by the president of the Royal Society on the subject. " and does anybody really think that scientists and engineers etc won't be able to move around? It's about having some control over movement not stopping it, really don't know what point he's trying to make unless its just political | |||
"How long have they been working on this? Dedades, but you're not about to go serious on us and tell us that's a good reason to pack in on the only serious route to providing the volume of clean energy we need? Then it's about time they got their fingers out and made a success of it. This might give them the push they need. Now if this is so important why would the UK or the EU stop funding it? At a cost of £60million, or 1 decent premier league footballer a year? Its peanuts. I would suggest that this is simply another BBC scare story for the bed wetters It's not about the funding, or the BBC, it's about the movement of people. I can't copy and paste it but read the latest speech by the president of the Royal Society on the subject. and does anybody really think that scientists and engineers etc won't be able to move around? It's about having some control over movement not stopping it, really don't know what point he's trying to make unless its just political" Have you read his speech? It's about how easy it is to move around. It's hard now and he, along with others, is rightly concerned that this should not be harder. Nothing political about it. Same topic is editorial lead in New Scientist this week. Also not political. | |||
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"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993?" I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!  | |||
" It's not about the funding, or the BBC, it's about the movement of people. I can't copy and paste it but read the latest speech by the president of the Royal Society on the subject. " Bugger, done it again, quoted an expert! You'd think I'd learn. | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993?" Damn right. Just like mankind existed before inventing the wheel. Or the steam engine. Or X-ray imaging. Or the computer. Fuck it all. Clearly society is all bollocks these days. Burn it all. Go back to living in caves I say. Bloody experts. -Matt | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? Damn right. Just like mankind existed before inventing the wheel. Or the steam engine. Or X-ray imaging. Or the computer. Fuck it all. Clearly society is all bollocks these days. Burn it all. Go back to living in caves I say. Bloody experts. -Matt" It's been a downhill slope ever since we invented agriculture! | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight! "It's often said that academics don't have much common sense 
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement' | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'"Really? Are you sure? Tell me this then, how easy was it for a nuclear physicist from eastern Europe to move to England in say, the 1960s? | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
Really? Are you sure? Tell me this then, how easy was it for a nuclear physicist from eastern Europe to move to England in say, the 1960s? "you get more ridiculous each day. Did that not have something to do with restrictions applied by the Soviet Union? If the EU had existed then, how could it have made any difference to that? | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'"This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves. And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research. It's about our scientists moving around too. You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder. | |||
"How long have they been working on this? Dedades, but you're not about to go serious on us and tell us that's a good reason to pack in on the only serious route to providing the volume of clean energy we need? Then it's about time they got their fingers out and made a success of it. This might give them the push they need. Now if this is so important why would the UK or the EU stop funding it? At a cost of £60million, or 1 decent premier league footballer a year? Its peanuts. I would suggest that this is simply another BBC scare story for the bed wetters " It's not a BBC scare story. It's also in New Scientist. | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder."a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? Damn right. Just like mankind existed before inventing the wheel. Or the steam engine. Or X-ray imaging. Or the computer. Fuck it all. Clearly society is all bollocks these days. Burn it all. Go back to living in caves I say. Bloody experts. -Matt It's been a downhill slope ever since we invented agriculture! " Agriculture! I blame the lung fish immigrants climbing out of the sea on to our land! | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing"Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc. Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum. | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum."I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum.
I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway"So how much up and down has the French Euro had compared to the German Euro in the last 12 months? What was the highest and lowest points? I got those figures from the UK border agency, where else do you think visa fees come from? | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum.
I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway
So how much up and down has the French Euro had compared to the German Euro in the last 12 months? What was the highest and lowest points?
I got those figures from the UK border agency, where else do you think visa fees come from? "But you didn't just say visa fees did you? If you are working why would you need health insurance etc? And as I said, exchange rates always go up and down so some years you win and some you lose and if you're living here for years whats the problem? How much has the English pound gone up and down against the Welsh pound? The rates don't seem to have put people off coming to the UK do they? I would say that's a minor consideration | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum.
I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway
So how much up and down has the French Euro had compared to the German Euro in the last 12 months? What was the highest and lowest points?
I got those figures from the UK border agency, where else do you think visa fees come from?
But you didn't just say visa fees did you? If you are working why would you need health insurance etc? And as I said, exchange rates always go up and down so some years you win and some you lose and if you're living here for years whats the problem? How much has the English pound gone up and down against the Welsh pound? The rates don't seem to have put people off coming to the UK do they? I would say that's a minor consideration""If you are working why would you need health insurance?" why don't you ask the UK border force, you need to give them the money up front for any NHS treatment you might need during your stay. The more people you are bring (like a family of 4), and the more years you want to stay, the more you pay, so thats why I specified the cost for a family of 4 coming for 4 years. We are not talking about people moving from Wales to England, we are talking about someone deciding to stay in the eurozone, or come to the UK. The exchange rate, as well as thousands of pounds in fees, paperwork and long waits for decisions all create a significant barrier. Barriers that have been removed in the rest of the EU. | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum.
I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway
So how much up and down has the French Euro had compared to the German Euro in the last 12 months? What was the highest and lowest points?
I got those figures from the UK border agency, where else do you think visa fees come from?
But you didn't just say visa fees did you? If you are working why would you need health insurance etc? And as I said, exchange rates always go up and down so some years you win and some you lose and if you're living here for years whats the problem? How much has the English pound gone up and down against the Welsh pound? The rates don't seem to have put people off coming to the UK do they? I would say that's a minor consideration
"If you are working why would you need health insurance?" why don't you ask the UK border force, you need to give them the money up front for any NHS treatment you might need during your stay. The more people you are bring (like a family of 4), and the more years you want to stay, the more you pay, so thats why I specified the cost for a family of 4 coming for 4 years.
We are not talking about people moving from Wales to England, we are talking about someone deciding to stay in the eurozone, or come to the UK. The exchange rate, as well as thousands of pounds in fees, paperwork and long waits for decisions all create a significant barrier. Barriers that have been removed in the rest of the EU. "If you are working its a health surcharge not insurance. If people have found the job they want and want to live in the UK non of these things would put the majority of people off. And of course you are looking at the worst case scenario. European countries will come to an agreement. What was the arrangement before 1993? | |||
"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum.
I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway
So how much up and down has the French Euro had compared to the German Euro in the last 12 months? What was the highest and lowest points?
I got those figures from the UK border agency, where else do you think visa fees come from?
But you didn't just say visa fees did you? If you are working why would you need health insurance etc? And as I said, exchange rates always go up and down so some years you win and some you lose and if you're living here for years whats the problem? How much has the English pound gone up and down against the Welsh pound? The rates don't seem to have put people off coming to the UK do they? I would say that's a minor consideration
"If you are working why would you need health insurance?" why don't you ask the UK border force, you need to give them the money up front for any NHS treatment you might need during your stay. The more people you are bring (like a family of 4), and the more years you want to stay, the more you pay, so thats why I specified the cost for a family of 4 coming for 4 years.
We are not talking about people moving from Wales to England, we are talking about someone deciding to stay in the eurozone, or come to the UK. The exchange rate, as well as thousands of pounds in fees, paperwork and long waits for decisions all create a significant barrier. Barriers that have been removed in the rest of the EU.
If you are working its a health surcharge not insurance.
If people have found the job they want and want to live in the UK non of these things would put the majority of people off. And of course you are looking at the worst case scenario. European countries will come to an agreement. What was the arrangement before 1993?"The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. | |||
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"And another thought. As this programme has been runming since the 70's, how did they cope before 1993? I am pleased that you're more knowledgeable than the president of the Royal Society and will sleep more easily tonight!
It's often said that academics don't have much common sense
But seriously, anybody would think that the world began with the Maastricht Treaty. People moved around easily enough before 'free movement'
This is true but misses a key point. If you're a german scientist where would you choose to work, the JET in the UK where you have a raft of forms to fill in or ITER in France where you don't? When it was a level playing field it didn't matter much, but now we've chosen to make life harder for ourselves.
And it's not just about JET or projects like it, it's about foreign students at university where we're making life harder for them. It's about research.
It's about our scientists moving around too.
You can't just throw money at this, we need people. And, unless we adopt free movement, we are, without doubt, making this harder.
a raft of forms? Oh the hardship. As if that is going to put you off moving to another country in the grand scheme of things. I moved to Spain before 'free movement' and it took about half an hour with a solicitor and 20 minutes at the Oficina de Extranjeros at the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted and that was it. Simple. And I was self employed, its even quicker if an employer does most of it for you. I just feel that people are worried/complaining about nothing
Its not just the forms, if we apply the same rules to EU citizens as we currently do to non-UK citizens, for a family of 4 to move here for a period of 4 years they will need around £8,000 for visas and health insurance etc. Or they could go work in France with no paperwork, no visas, no fees etc.
Also with the crash in the value of the £, their earnings in the UK will be a lot less than they were before the referendum.
I don't know how you arrive at those figures but I don't think that amount would put people off such a life changing move anyway. And I guess you haven't noticed the movement of the pound? People are dumping the Euro. But that will always go up and down anyway
So how much up and down has the French Euro had compared to the German Euro in the last 12 months? What was the highest and lowest points?
I got those figures from the UK border agency, where else do you think visa fees come from?
But you didn't just say visa fees did you? If you are working why would you need health insurance etc? And as I said, exchange rates always go up and down so some years you win and some you lose and if you're living here for years whats the problem? How much has the English pound gone up and down against the Welsh pound? The rates don't seem to have put people off coming to the UK do they? I would say that's a minor consideration
"If you are working why would you need health insurance?" why don't you ask the UK border force, you need to give them the money up front for any NHS treatment you might need during your stay. The more people you are bring (like a family of 4), and the more years you want to stay, the more you pay, so thats why I specified the cost for a family of 4 coming for 4 years.
We are not talking about people moving from Wales to England, we are talking about someone deciding to stay in the eurozone, or come to the UK. The exchange rate, as well as thousands of pounds in fees, paperwork and long waits for decisions all create a significant barrier. Barriers that have been removed in the rest of the EU.
If you are working its a health surcharge not insurance.
If people have found the job they want and want to live in the UK non of these things would put the majority of people off. And of course you are looking at the worst case scenario. European countries will come to an agreement. What was the arrangement before 1993?
The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. "The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU | |||
" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU" What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! | |||
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" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?!" then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973 | |||
" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973" Brilliant. 
Current system: EU citizens can come to the UK to search for a job. They are not entitled to receive any benefits (public funds) or social housing. They have 6 months to find a job, and if they haven't found a job they are not 'exercising a treaty right' and have to leave.
Your proposed system is that there is free movement as long as they have already arranged a job.
What impact do you think this would have on the number of EU citizens coming here in terms of a percentage? | |||
" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973 Brilliant.
Current system: EU citizens can come to the UK to search for a job. They are not entitled to receive any benefits (public funds) or social housing. They have 6 months to find a job, and if they haven't found a job they are not 'exercising a treaty right' and have to leave.
Your proposed system is that there is free movement as long as they have already arranged a job.
What impact do you think this would have on the number of EU citizens coming here in terms of a percentage? "CLCC can I ask you in terms of immigration do you want an open border where everyone can come in or a controlled border in which parameters are set (to be defined by an all party committee) So say we impose a ban on people with criminal records would that be acceptable Or a ban on people with absolutely no means of supporting themselves I am not talking about asylum seekers here Would you draw a line or accept everyone that wants to come here Thanks | |||
" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973 Brilliant.
Current system: EU citizens can come to the UK to search for a job. They are not entitled to receive any benefits (public funds) or social housing. They have 6 months to find a job, and if they haven't found a job they are not 'exercising a treaty right' and have to leave.
Your proposed system is that there is free movement as long as they have already arranged a job.
What impact do you think this would have on the number of EU citizens coming here in terms of a percentage? "You tell me the percentage difference between the years 1992 and 2015 but I'll give you some lee way due to Eastern Europeans | |||
" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973 Brilliant.
Current system: EU citizens can come to the UK to search for a job. They are not entitled to receive any benefits (public funds) or social housing. They have 6 months to find a job, and if they haven't found a job they are not 'exercising a treaty right' and have to leave.
Your proposed system is that there is free movement as long as they have already arranged a job.
What impact do you think this would have on the number of EU citizens coming here in terms of a percentage?
CLCC can I ask you in terms of immigration do you want an open border where everyone can come in
or a controlled border in which parameters are set (to be defined by an all party committee)
So say we impose a ban on people with criminal records would that be acceptable
Or a ban on people with absolutely no means of supporting themselves
I am not talking about asylum seekers here
Would you draw a line or accept everyone that wants to come here
Thanks
"I'm happy with the system we currently have. It goes along way to meeting industry's need for labour, immigrants and net contributors to our economy padding the exchequer, its reciprocal so British citizens can freely live and work elsewhere in the EU etc. | |||
" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973 Brilliant.
Current system: EU citizens can come to the UK to search for a job. They are not entitled to receive any benefits (public funds) or social housing. They have 6 months to find a job, and if they haven't found a job they are not 'exercising a treaty right' and have to leave.
Your proposed system is that there is free movement as long as they have already arranged a job.
What impact do you think this would have on the number of EU citizens coming here in terms of a percentage?
You tell me the percentage difference between the years 1992 and 2015 but I'll give you some lee way due to Eastern Europeans"You are proposing a change, I'm asking you how much impact you expect it to have. | |||
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" The vast majority of the population of the UK and Europe do NOT have £8,000+ sitting in their bank accounts just in case they want to apply for a job in the UK. The vast majority of people who have it ffs. But like I said, it won't come to this, there will be an agreement for workers between European nations as there was before the EU What about the people who DON'T have £8,000 sitting in their account though?! then tough shit. They should work until they have. But like I said it won't come to that, there will be a system of freedom of movement for European workers, provided they have a job, the same as there has been since about 1973 Brilliant.
Current system: EU citizens can come to the UK to search for a job. They are not entitled to receive any benefits (public funds) or social housing. They have 6 months to find a job, and if they haven't found a job they are not 'exercising a treaty right' and have to leave.
Your proposed system is that there is free movement as long as they have already arranged a job.
What impact do you think this would have on the number of EU citizens coming here in terms of a percentage?
You tell me the percentage difference between the years 1992 and 2015 but I'll give you some lee way due to Eastern Europeans
You are proposing a change, I'm asking you how much impact you expect it to have. "I aint Mystic Meg. I am just proposing a change back to how it was so if you calculate the difference in the figures for those 2 years you might get an idea of what it could be, but factor in Eastern Europeans of course at maybe a slightly higher percentage | |||
