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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
So I realise that facts are no longer important, but I'm interested in them.
Nigel Farage is a man of the people. He's anti-establishment sticking it to professional politicians and elites who don't understand real people. At least, I believe that that is the suggestion.
Did he just have a party to celebrate 20 years as a professional politician after being educated at Dulwich College and working in The City as a trader? Was this party held in the Ritz with a number of millionaires of which four were worth over £100 million and three billionaires? Did he also have a picture presented of him in a gold lift with an American billionaire (allegedly) who is also an anti-establishment man of the people?
Would anybody mind doing a little fact-checking?
I am just a bremoaner and it's probably just a conspiracy by the liberal London media elite (or the ones not owned by the billionaire Australian Rupert Murdoch and multimillionaire Viscount Rothermere). Best to not trust me or the facts. What do your feelings say. I understand that's the best way to make all important, long-term, inter-generational decisions.
Yes I'm being provocative, but it is interesting... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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It does surprise me that so many people hero worship a man who every day rams his contradictions down the throats of the very people who adore him.
A Politician since 1999, he takes aim at career politicians despite being one himself.
He rails against the traditional establishment yet before becoming a politician he was a City banker and still retains close ties with the rich and the powerful in the city.
He accuses those who show disdain for his values as being out of touch yet throws parties at the Ritz with the Barclay Brothers, Jacob Rees-Mogg and others of that ilk.
One can only presume that he is liked by so many people is because he suggests that there are simple answers to complex problems and he can say this because he will never be asked to account for his solutions. Elected politicians however know that they will be held to account and therefore have to speak in a more measured (if annoying) manner. |
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He is greatly helped by a media, especially the BBC, who barely question his inconsistencies, contradictions or his past. Compare and contrast the scrutiny he receives compared to Jeremy Corbyn (I'm not a JC fan)
His party have 1 MP, same as the Greens, but the amount of coverage UKIP receive dwarfs that for the Greens. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"He is greatly helped by a media, especially the BBC, who barely question his inconsistencies, contradictions or his past. Compare and contrast the scrutiny he receives compared to Jeremy Corbyn (I'm not a JC fan)
His party have 1 MP, same as the Greens, but the amount of coverage UKIP receive dwarfs that for the Greens."
As everyone seems to think that the BBC do a terrible job then they are probably doing OK  |
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"He's smarter than we think. Dulwich school was hard to get into and was posh."
Dulwich is a very low ranking public school.
In fact well known as the one to go for if you want kids in public school, but they are a bit thick, and unlikely to get into a decent one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He's smarter than we think. Dulwich school was hard to get into and was posh.
Dulwich is a very low ranking public school.
In fact well known as the one to go for if you want kids in public school, but they are a bit thick, and unlikely to get into a decent one."
Well he fit in well then.
Either way, his education was out of reach of the people he says he represents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He's smarter than we think. Dulwich school was hard to get into and was posh.
Dulwich is a very low ranking public school.
In fact well known as the one to go for if you want kids in public school, but they are a bit thick, and unlikely to get into a decent one."
Is that now or when he went. The schools I know are Crofton Park and Forest Hill. Compared to them it's not a school for the people. |
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"He's smarter than we think. Dulwich school was hard to get into and was posh.
Dulwich is a very low ranking public school.
In fact well known as the one to go for if you want kids in public school, but they are a bit thick, and unlikely to get into a decent one.
Well he fit in well then.
Either way, his education was out of reach of the people he says he represents."
Indeed, the " ordinary bloke in the pub" stuff is a complete act. |
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His party have 1 MP, same as the Greens, but the amount of coverage UKIP receive dwarfs that for the Greens."
More of an FTP issue that though.
Would be nice to see some more Green coverage though. |
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"It does surprise me that so many people hero worship a man who every day rams his contradictions down the throats of the very people who adore him.
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I think most people see him either in a very negative way, or a comedy figure, or somebody who says things others won't. Normally one of those three things. I have never thought of anybody hero worshiping him tbh. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It does surprise me that so many people hero worship a man who every day rams his contradictions down the throats of the very people who adore him.
I think most people see him either in a very negative way, or a comedy figure, or somebody who says things others won't. Normally one of those three things. I have never thought of anybody hero worshiping him tbh."
You'd be surprised. Go onto youtube and find political channels which are hard right or alt-right and you find people referring to him in videos or comments as "God King Farage of Britain."
I'd say there are probably a good couple of thousand of people who hero worship him. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"It does surprise me that so many people hero worship a man who every day rams his contradictions down the throats of the very people who adore him.
I think most people see him either in a very negative way, or a comedy figure, or somebody who says things others won't. Normally one of those three things. I have never thought of anybody hero worshiping him tbh.
You'd be surprised. Go onto youtube and find political channels which are hard right or alt-right and you find people referring to him in videos or comments as "God King Farage of Britain."
I'd say there are probably a good couple of thousand of people who hero worship him."
There are a fair few on this forum too. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"It does surprise me that so many people hero worship a man who every day rams his contradictions down the throats of the very people who adore him.
I think most people see him either in a very negative way, or a comedy figure, or somebody who says things others won't. Normally one of those three things. I have never thought of anybody hero worshiping him tbh.
You'd be surprised. Go onto youtube and find political channels which are hard right or alt-right and you find people referring to him in videos or comments as "God King Farage of Britain."
I'd say there are probably a good couple of thousand of people who hero worship him.
There are a fair few on this forum too. "
. So what does that matter,we would never of had a referendum if it wasn't,t for him and uni student who are you calling a man child !!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It does surprise me that so many people hero worship a man who every day rams his contradictions down the throats of the very people who adore him.
I think most people see him either in a very negative way, or a comedy figure, or somebody who says things others won't. Normally one of those three things. I have never thought of anybody hero worshiping him tbh.
You'd be surprised. Go onto youtube and find political channels which are hard right or alt-right and you find people referring to him in videos or comments as "God King Farage of Britain."
I'd say there are probably a good couple of thousand of people who hero worship him.
There are a fair few on this forum too. . So what does that matter,we would never of had a referendum if it wasn't,t for him and uni student who are you calling a man child !!!!"
The man child comment was a different thread. Keep it on there. But if it wasn't obvious, it was aimed at you.
Secondly, I think the notion of a referendum of yes or no, for the membership of a complex economic and political union was ridiculous and stupid for various reasons.
A simple question for a complex issue, which Farage timed knowing that Cameron was desperate to win votes, that people were still feeling the impact of the 2008 crash and most people hated Tory austerity...
Basically he was an opportunist. Manipulative. And has done more to divide this nation than even Obourne or Cameron - and in my opinion it takes a huge dick to be given that label.
He got a slight majority vote to leave the EU and now wishes to use that vote to interpret however he wishes, the will of the leave voters - not the British people. Funnily enough, many autocrats started their regimes in similar ways. By using opposition votes as enemies for the people.
I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, but you don't throw something out before you try to fix it. |
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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago
Driffield |
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A simple question for a complex issue, which Farage timed knowing that Cameron was desperate to win votes, that people were still feeling the impact of the 2008 crash and most people hated Tory austerity...
Basically he was an opportunist. Manipulative. And has done more to divide this nation than even Obourne or Cameron - and in my opinion it takes a huge dick to be given that label.
I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, but you don't throw something out before you try to fix it."
Cameron chose the timing of the referendum not Farage, and Cameron tried to fix it prior to the referendum and got nowhere. |
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A simple question for a complex issue, which Farage timed knowing that Cameron was desperate to win votes, that people were still feeling the impact of the 2008 crash and most people hated Tory austerity...
Basically he was an opportunist. Manipulative. And has done more to divide this nation than even Obourne or Cameron - and in my opinion it takes a huge dick to be given that label.
I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, but you don't throw something out before you try to fix it.
Cameron chose the timing of the referendum not Farage, and Cameron tried to fix it prior to the referendum and got nowhere. "
I vaguely remember a report back in June 2015 saying that Cameron's desire to have the referendum in 2019 or 2020 was pushed back by pro-leave tories
and the pressure from a building UKIP.
I could be wrong but my understanding was that he wanted to leave it later so that he could avoid the peak impact of the migrant crisis and try to get the economy back on track - but at the same point UKIP and pro-leave tories wanted to push for it quickly so that they could exploit fears of the migrant crisis, exploit fear of more countries joining the EU before it was decided. And to give Cameron less time to negotiate with the EU.
I could be wrong about this as it was over a year ago. But I think that's what I range of right wing and left wing analysts said. |
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A simple question for a complex issue, which Farage timed knowing that Cameron was desperate to win votes, that people were still feeling the impact of the 2008 crash and most people hated Tory austerity...
Basically he was an opportunist. Manipulative. And has done more to divide this nation than even Obourne or Cameron - and in my opinion it takes a huge dick to be given that label.
I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, but you don't throw something out before you try to fix it.
Cameron chose the timing of the referendum not Farage, and Cameron tried to fix it prior to the referendum and got nowhere.
I vaguely remember a report back in June 2015 saying that Cameron's desire to have the referendum in 2019 or 2020 was pushed back by pro-leave tories
and the pressure from a building UKIP.
I could be wrong but my understanding was that he wanted to leave it later so that he could avoid the peak impact of the migrant crisis and try to get the economy back on track - but at the same point UKIP and pro-leave tories wanted to push for it quickly so that they could exploit fears of the migrant crisis, exploit fear of more countries joining the EU before it was decided. And to give Cameron less time to negotiate with the EU.
I could be wrong about this as it was over a year ago. But I think that's what I range of right wing and left wing analysts said."
Cameron was the Prime Minister, he had just won a majority at the general election and a five year fixed term parliament ahead of him. He could have chosen to have the referendum at any point during the five year parliament between 2015 and 2020. He chose to have it in 2016, not Farage and not Ukip.
Cameron tried to reform the EU with his renegotiation deal, so he didn't just throw it out before he tried to fix it. He tried to fix it with reform but found out that he hit a solid brick wall, his renegotiation was a complete failure, the EU won't reform and it won't change course. |
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