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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Don't forget that the self proclaimed leader of all the angry people Nigel The Omnipotent is now organising a match on the Supreme Court - presumably as a way of making his violence prophecy self fulfilling. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Don't forget that the self proclaimed leader of all the angry people Nigel The Omnipotent is now organising a match on the Supreme Court - presumably as a way of making his violence prophecy self fulfilling."
It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence  |
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"Don't forget that the self proclaimed leader of all the angry people Nigel The Omnipotent is now organising a match on the Supreme Court - presumably as a way of making his violence prophecy self fulfilling."
hope it rains..  |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Don't forget that the self proclaimed leader of all the angry people Nigel The Omnipotent is now organising a match on the Supreme Court - presumably as a way of making his violence prophecy self fulfilling.
hope it rains.. "
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence."
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well we've not learnt much since Mr catesbys violent revolutionary act it would seem.
What happens when you ignore the wishes of a large populous?.
Discord and discontent breeds violence,...... Sometimes if you stand on your head and look at the world upside down it makes more sense |
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent. "
Ok, so do you mean you think 1 or 2 people one a forum are preparing for violence, or do you mean a 'side' is in favour of violence?
I really don't like the implication of the statement you made. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent.
Ok, so do you mean you think 1 or 2 people one a forum are preparing for violence, or do you mean a 'side' is in favour of violence?
I really don't like the implication of the statement you made."
Well I have only heard one side saying things like "It is up to the rest of us to put them down by ant means at our diposel" |
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent.
Ok, so do you mean you think 1 or 2 people one a forum are preparing for violence, or do you mean a 'side' is in favour of violence?
I really don't like the implication of the statement you made.
Well I have only heard one side saying things like "It is up to the rest of us to put them down by ant means at our diposel""
Picking comments from individuals doesn't mean 'one side' is in favour of violence.
It's lazy and not true, you should know better. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent.
Ok, so do you mean you think 1 or 2 people one a forum are preparing for violence, or do you mean a 'side' is in favour of violence?
I really don't like the implication of the statement you made.
Well I have only heard one side saying things like "It is up to the rest of us to put them down by ant means at our diposel"
Picking comments from individuals doesn't mean 'one side' is in favour of violence.
It's lazy and not true, you should know better."
I didn't say it was everyone from the Leave side, all I'm saying is I am only hearing this kind of rhetoric from the Leave side, and not hearing anything like this from the Remain side. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent.
Ok, so do you mean you think 1 or 2 people one a forum are preparing for violence, or do you mean a 'side' is in favour of violence?
I really don't like the implication of the statement you made.
Well I have only heard one side saying things like "It is up to the rest of us to put them down by ant means at our diposel"
Picking comments from individuals doesn't mean 'one side' is in favour of violence.
It's lazy and not true, you should know better.
I didn't say it was everyone from the Leave side, all I'm saying is I am only hearing this kind of rhetoric from the Leave side, and not hearing anything like this from the Remain side. "
what kind of rhetoric do you hear from the remain side? |
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"She like the Daily Mail sees the Zimabwe model as being the way ahead for the UK"
Ah yes! The Zimbabwe model. Now why does it not surprise me that the daily fail would would want to replace our courts with the beacon of 'justice and political freedom for all' that is Mugabe's Zimbabwe.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It could be me....but the whole idea of having a referendum and handing the decision to "the people" was debated in parliament. The MPs of all parties voted 6:1 in favour.
However much we may disagree with the outcome..,the vote was to leave. We do that by invoking article 50.
The day after the result Comrade Corbyn said it should be invoked immediately.
A few days ago he said he would vote against it if it meant leaving the single market and dropping the European Court.
Yesterday he changed his mind again...
So a simple motion to parliament seems to be all that is required to appease the court decision. (Interestingly a case brought by a foreign banker).
Then we can proceed as before.
Big fuss about nothing by the usual gutter press? |
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I didn't say it was everyone from the Leave side, all I'm saying is I am only hearing this kind of rhetoric from the Leave side, and not hearing anything like this from the Remain side. "
You said 'it's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence.'
Personally I don't think it's a good thing to say, maybe you have heard somebody say something bad, but using it in sweeping statement is a poor show IMO .
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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I didn't say it was everyone from the Leave side, all I'm saying is I am only hearing this kind of rhetoric from the Leave side, and not hearing anything like this from the Remain side.
You said 'it's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence.'
Personally I don't think it's a good thing to say, maybe you have heard somebody say something bad, but using it in sweeping statement is a poor show IMO .
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Like I said, I'm hearing it from one side, and not the other, so it is clear to me. Perhaps you are feeling a little bit defensive about your chosen bedfellows? |
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I didn't say it was everyone from the Leave side, all I'm saying is I am only hearing this kind of rhetoric from the Leave side, and not hearing anything like this from the Remain side.
You said 'it's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence.'
Personally I don't think it's a good thing to say, maybe you have heard somebody say something bad, but using it in sweeping statement is a poor show IMO .
Like I said, I'm hearing it from one side, and not the other, so it is clear to me. Perhaps you are feeling a little bit defensive about your chosen bedfellows? "
I'm not feeling defensive about anything, I just don't like your implication - it's not nice.
You have found one or two nasty pieces of work and now want to call everybody 'bedfellows' and continue talking about 'sides' and imply a behavior on large sections of the country . I thought you were interested in having sensible discussions. This isn't one.
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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What hasn't helped is the statement from Farage that there would be 'disturbances on the streets' if Brexit supporters became frustrated, which brought back memories of Magabe's thugs marching by their thousands against their judiciary when Mugabe couldn't get his own way over land grab from White farmers.
If we start to turn against those that we charge to uphold the law of our nation then we end up in a mess.
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I think a lot of this cones from the fact that people who voted remain had pretty much the same idea what remain was going to mean albeit maybe for different reasons. People who voted leave seem have many different ideas on what leave meant. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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The far left have done more than their fair share of rioting and violence in the past, and marching on democratically instigated acts of parliament.
For example, the rates act of 1984... approved by parliament, riots arranged care of militant tendency.
So, a democratically elected parliament voted for something, and the populace, led by the far left, rose up and violently demonstrated against it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent. "
I don't think that post becomes you 
Thiers extreme people on both sides and you are intelligent em ought know that
I think Farage is wrong to encourage a march tho as it will be hijacked by mutters on both sides ! |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The far left have done more than their fair share of rioting and violence in the past, and marching on democratically instigated acts of parliament.
For example, the rates act of 1984... approved by parliament, riots arranged care of militant tendency.
So, a democratically elected parliament voted for something, and the populace, led by the far left, rose up and violently demonstrated against it."
Great story  |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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It's certainly clear which side is in favour of violence
Which 'side' is in favour of violence?
I know lots of people who voted leave and remain and none of them is in favour of violence.
Spend enough time on the forums and the ones preparing for violence will soon become apparent.
I don't think that post becomes you
Thiers extreme people on both sides and you are intelligent em ought know that
I think Farage is wrong to encourage a march tho as it will be hijacked by mutters on both sides ! "
Well have you seen Remainers on the forums either stating or hinting at using violent means to achieve their political objectives, or have you seen this from Leavers?
Like I said, it's not everyone, but I have only seen it from one side. |
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"The far left have done more than their fair share of rioting and violence in the past, and marching on democratically instigated acts of parliament.
For example, the rates act of 1984... approved by parliament, riots arranged care of militant tendency.
So, a democratically elected parliament voted for something, and the populace, led by the far left, rose up and violently demonstrated against it."
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Sadly I was a bit too young for that one!....I would have been their though if I could  |
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"The far left have done more than their fair share of rioting and violence in the past, and marching on democratically instigated acts of parliament.
For example, the rates act of 1984... approved by parliament, riots arranged care of militant tendency.
So, a democratically elected parliament voted for something, and the populace, led by the far left, rose up and violently demonstrated against it..
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I remember that one...
It was also called the poll tax, brainchild of Thatcher. |
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For those who dont remember the poll tax it was the one that replaced 'local government rates' based on the value of property with a flat rate charge paid by all living in a local authority area.
And just to remind you all exactly what them meant, it resulted in adults living in 2 up 2 down terraces and live in servants having to pay the same amount of local government tax as their multi millionaire bosses living in their big houses if they lived in the same local authority area.
A piece of perfect Tory legislation, I'm sure the present lot would be proud of to it and would reintroduce it in a second if they thought they could get away with it. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"The far left have done more than their fair share of rioting and violence in the past, and marching on democratically instigated acts of parliament.
For example, the rates act of 1984... approved by parliament, riots arranged care of militant tendency.
So, a democratically elected parliament voted for something, and the populace, led by the far left, rose up and violently demonstrated against it.
Great story "
And true. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"For those who dont remember the poll tax it was the one that replaced 'local government rates' based on the value of property with a flat rate charge paid by all living in a local authority area.
And just to remind you all exactly what them meant, it resulted in adults living in 2 up 2 down terraces and live in servants having to pay the same amount of local government tax as their multi millionaire bosses living in their big houses if they lived in the same local authority area.
A piece of perfect Tory legislation, I'm sure the present lot would be proud of to it and would reintroduce it in a second if they thought they could get away with it."
I'm not saying it was right or fair. Simply pointing out that both Houses of Parliament democratically voted it into law. And then there were effectively marches against that democracy, led by the far left, militant tendency, which turned very violent. |
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"She like the Daily Mail sees the Zimabwe model as being the way ahead for the UK"
I seem to recall David Cameron and the Remain campaign being compared to Mugabes Zimbabwe during the referendum when Cameron sent out the taxpayers £9 million quid one sided EU propaganda leaflets to every household in the land. Is that the Remainers version of how a fair and balanced democracy should operate? |
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"I'm not saying it was right or fair. Simply pointing out that both Houses of Parliament democratically voted it into law. And then there were effectively marches against that democracy, led by the far left, militant tendency, which turned very violent. "
The time previously to Thatchers introduction of a poll tax resulted in the Peasants' Revolt of 1381. So the poll tax riots of 1990 that brought down Thatcher were really quite tame. Further to compare a ruling by 3 high court judges saying that the government needs parliamentary approval to trigger article 50 and the subsequent immediate reaction of those who don't like a simple ruling in law and what now looks like an attempt to overthrow the rule of law, with an escalating dispute over years with the government of the day over the imposition of an unfair tax on the population that led to violence after the imprisonment of many for refusing to pay the tax is unfair to say the least. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm not saying it was right or fair. Simply pointing out that both Houses of Parliament democratically voted it into law. And then there were effectively marches against that democracy, led by the far left, militant tendency, which turned very violent.
The time previously to Thatchers introduction of a poll tax resulted in the Peasants' Revolt of 1381. So the poll tax riots of 1990 that brought down Thatcher were really quite tame. Further to compare a ruling by 3 high court judges saying that the government needs parliamentary approval to trigger article 50 and the subsequent immediate reaction of those who don't like a simple ruling in law and what now looks like an attempt to overthrow the rule of law, with an escalating dispute over years with the government of the day over the imposition of an unfair tax on the population that led to violence after the imprisonment of many for refusing to pay the tax is unfair to say the least."
So you're saying that people shouldn't have the right to protest something that they disagree with, because there hasn't been a long enough time passed? I'm sure I've seen many remainers on these forums saying that they have the right to moan about us leaving the EU for years to come, as leavers have been escalating their dispute over our membership for 40 years.... and remainers in both houses have said publicly that they will use the high court ruling to hamper and even to try to reverse the outcome of the referendum. So can you not understand the feeling of leavers about this?
The imposition of the poll tax was a democratically approved law, you do understand that, don't you? Whether fair or not, it was voted on and approved by parliament. |
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"So you're saying that people shouldn't have the right to protest something that they disagree with, because there hasn't been a long enough time passed? I'm sure I've seen many remainers on these forums saying that they have the right to moan about us leaving the EU for years to come, as leavers have been escalating their dispute over our membership for 40 years.... and remainers in both houses have said publicly that they will use the high court ruling to hamper and even to try to reverse the outcome of the referendum. So can you not understand the feeling of leavers about this?
The imposition of the poll tax was a democratically approved law, you do understand that, don't you? Whether fair or not, it was voted on and approved by parliament. "
Firstly, what are you protesting about?
That the high Court ruled that Parliament Must be consulted before the government trigger article 50?
Now correct me if I am wrong, but the whole basis of the BREXIT campaign was to return power to parliament. Seems you are now protesting because our courts agree with you and say it is parliaments decision not the governments to make.
If parliament refuse to allow the government to trigger article 50 then you would have a reason to protest, but to protest because you are getting exactly what the leaders of the out campaign said they wanted is to be quite frank unbelievable!In fact it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. |
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"So you're saying that people shouldn't have the right to protest something that they disagree with, because there hasn't been a long enough time passed? I'm sure I've seen many remainers on these forums saying that they have the right to moan about us leaving the EU for years to come, as leavers have been escalating their dispute over our membership for 40 years.... and remainers in both houses have said publicly that they will use the high court ruling to hamper and even to try to reverse the outcome of the referendum. So can you not understand the feeling of leavers about this?
The imposition of the poll tax was a democratically approved law, you do understand that, don't you? Whether fair or not, it was voted on and approved by parliament.
Firstly, what are you protesting about?
That the high Court ruled that Parliament Must be consulted before the government trigger article 50?
Now correct me if I am wrong, but the whole basis of the BREXIT campaign was to return power to parliament. Seems you are now protesting because our courts agree with you and say it is parliaments decision not the governments to make.
If parliament refuse to allow the government to trigger article 50 then you would have a reason to protest, but to protest because you are getting exactly what the leaders of the out campaign said they wanted is to be quite frank unbelievable!In fact it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic."
I still can't grasp why they're not celbrating, partying in the street! |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The far left have done more than their fair share of rioting and violence in the past, and marching on democratically instigated acts of parliament.
For example, the rates act of 1984... approved by parliament, riots arranged care of militant tendency.
So, a democratically elected parliament voted for something, and the populace, led by the far left, rose up and violently demonstrated against it.
Great story
And true."
But we were talking about Leave/Remain, not Left/Right. |
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