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over a year ago
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https://voteleaveuk.com/2016/11/03/if-parliament-votes-against-article-50-operation-beacon-will-begin-immediately-to-enforce-brexit/
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought |
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"Very scary really. I hope that this is just a fringe extreme, however I am worried with the repeated hate filled propaganda that speech like this will gain traction. "
why is it scary? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've just read it..... Lawful rebellion, it's pretty much what I've done in environmentalism for decades, there's some who cross the line as well, it depends on how committed you are! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought"
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted? |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted? "
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany. |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany."
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom. "
Isn't the law annoying! |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom. "
or one could say they are upholding the law of the land in a politically impartial manner which the judiciary do and have done..?
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
or one could say they are upholding the law of the land in a politically impartial manner which the judiciary do and have done..?
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Well we will see what happens when it goes to appeal at the Supreme court. |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
or one could say they are upholding the law of the land in a politically impartial manner which the judiciary do and have done..?
Well we will see what happens when it goes to appeal at the Supreme court. "
Or May could accept the decision and not waste time, she could table a draft bill on it and get the ball moving..
in the next few weeks the nastiness of the rhetoric will only increase against the judiciary and those who took the case to the high court from some on the leave side..
judges are human and have feelings, whilst they will look at the appeal as they did the initial case when any group is attacked they close ranks..
if the 11 of them are split their treatment in the media may sway some of them.. |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
or one could say they are upholding the law of the land in a politically impartial manner which the judiciary do and have done..?
Well we will see what happens when it goes to appeal at the Supreme court.
Or May could accept the decision and not waste time, she could table a draft bill on it and get the ball moving..
in the next few weeks the nastiness of the rhetoric will only increase against the judiciary and those who took the case to the high court from some on the leave side..
judges are human and have feelings, whilst they will look at the appeal as they did the initial case when any group is attacked they close ranks..
if the 11 of them are split their treatment in the media may sway some of them.."
Theresa May is allowed to appeal and is well within her rights to do so. If as you say you want judges to uphold the law of the land in a politically impartial manner then the appeal process is part of that law and is to be expected. Why then are you objecting to it?  |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
or one could say they are upholding the law of the land in a politically impartial manner which the judiciary do and have done..?
Well we will see what happens when it goes to appeal at the Supreme court.
Or May could accept the decision and not waste time, she could table a draft bill on it and get the ball moving..
in the next few weeks the nastiness of the rhetoric will only increase against the judiciary and those who took the case to the high court from some on the leave side..
judges are human and have feelings, whilst they will look at the appeal as they did the initial case when any group is attacked they close ranks..
if the 11 of them are split their treatment in the media may sway some of them..
Theresa May is allowed to appeal and is well within her rights to do so. If as you say you want judges to uphold the law of the land in a politically impartial manner then the appeal process is part of that law and is to be expected. Why then are you objecting to it? "
you misunderstand, we all want this thing done as soon as is possible in whatever form that takes..
removing the appeal would assist in the pace of it is all and will save public funds.. |
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"One interesting thought, if the Court of Appeal agrees with the decision on the legality of decision making does the Gov then take it to the European Courts?  "
Yes, well they should do as we are still members..
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!"
It's been said many times the law is an ass! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! "
it has always seemed strange to me that one set of judges can overturn the judgement of another set of judges, either a law is a law or its just an opinion and can be interpreted in any way |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"One interesting thought, if the Court of Appeal agrees with the decision on the legality of decision making does the Gov then take it to the European Courts?
Yes, well they should do as we are still members..
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I would love to hear from Brexiters on this one |
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"Dunno what all the fuss is about. Let's just have a general election and it'll all be sorted.
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How will a general election sort it out? We will still have the court ruling we will still have the referendum result the only thing that may change is the number of seats each party has. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One interesting thought, if the Court of Appeal agrees with the decision on the legality of decision making does the Gov then take it to the European Courts?
Yes, well they should do as we are still members..
I would love to hear from Brexiters on this one"
No they won't and they shouldn't. But maybe they should ask for a refund for not using their services  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"And should the first set of judges be sacked if the higher court finds/considers that they were wrong and therefore not competent to do the job?"
We wouldn't have many judges left if judge who had a case successfully appealed was sacked. |
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"Dunno what all the fuss is about. Let's just have a general election and it'll all be sorted.
How will a general election sort it out? We will still have the court ruling we will still have the referendum result the only thing that may change is the number of seats each party has."
You answered your own question tories would have such a majority they would win any vote |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think it's very important that all constitutional changes are mandated by the people(via a generation election or referendum) and then legally applied by parliament(politicans).... It's worked fine for hundreds of years I see no reason to move away from it now unlike what John major did when signing Maastricht and taking the UK into the EU! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I have no problem with it going to parliamnt for a vote, seems the sensible thing to do.
So if am correct here it would seem that the MPs should vote the way their constituents voted NOT VOTE FOR THEMSELVES, so according to a statement I heard yesterday on the radio that would mean 408 MPs would have to vote leave and 242 MPs would have to vote remain.
Therefore leave carries the day  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with it going to parliamnt for a vote, seems the sensible thing to do.
So if am correct here it would seem that the MPs should vote the way their constituents voted NOT VOTE FOR THEMSELVES, so according to a statement I heard yesterday on the radio that would mean 408 MPs would have to vote leave and 242 MPs would have to vote remain.
Therefore leave carries the day "
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As your representative in parliament they should be representing your wishes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And should the first set of judges be sacked if the higher court finds/considers that they were wrong and therefore not competent to do the job?
We wouldn't have many judges left if judge who had a case successfully appealed was sacked."
Thats my point. Whats the point of them then if they're incompetent? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"And should the first set of judges be sacked if the higher court finds/considers that they were wrong and therefore not competent to do the job?
We wouldn't have many judges left if judge who had a case successfully appealed was sacked.
Thats my point. Whats the point of them then if they're incompetent?"
What qualifies you to call them incompetent? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with it going to parliamnt for a vote, seems the sensible thing to do.
So if am correct here it would seem that the MPs should vote the way their constituents voted NOT VOTE FOR THEMSELVES, so according to a statement I heard yesterday on the radio that would mean 408 MPs would have to vote leave and 242 MPs would have to vote remain.
Therefore leave carries the day "
Except you are not correct.
MPs are not expected to vote as their constituents tell them. You elect a member of parliament, not appoint a proxy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://voteleaveuk.com/2016/11/03/if-parliament-votes-against-article-50-operation-beacon-will-begin-immediately-to-enforce-brexit/
Just comne across this, would like peoples view on this please."
I did read the page in question, usual load of bollocks. It refers to Article 61 "which has not been repealed". OK, I'm not a constitutional lawyer so I need help on this. The British Library site (look at me, citing my sources again!) marks those clauses that haven't been repealed, this is not one of those.
Article 61 appears to refer to the setting up of a group of 25 barons, I suspect that this is the forrunner of our parliament?
Which, on my quick reading, suggests that Article 61 supports the concept of parliamentary sovereignty in any case! |
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"Dunno what all the fuss is about. Let's just have a general election and it'll all be sorted.
How will a general election sort it out? We will still have the court ruling we will still have the referendum result the only thing that may change is the number of seats each party has.
You answered your own question tories would have such a majority they would win any vote "
That does,nt stop the house of Lords blocking Brexit though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Thanks OP
Here's an extract:
"Remain MP Ken Clarke said he was prepared to “risk civil disorder to ignore the #Brexit vote” and it is now clear that his treacherous wish has been granted.
At the weekend, war criminal and Remain fanatic Tony Blair called for a Remain “insurrection” to stop Brexit."
Anglo-Saxon swear words are quite inadequate when it comes to describing these two and the other like-minded grovelling EU slaves like Major, Clegg, Mandelson, Miliband, Heseltine, Cameron...Yes, it's a quite a long of traitors. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Like I have been saying all along...
"Theresa May’s game plan has always been to say “Brexit means Brexit” whilst secretly plotting with EU leaders to stop Brexit. Some Brexiteers are now waking up to the fact they have been conned. Snake Theresa May can now claim that she is not to blame, it’s all the fault of the courts but this was always the Remain strategy."
I have just made a donation to Operation Beacon, and as I also said before, I'm ready to do my bit as an activist.
Hopefully it won't come to this, but I have s feeling it will. It is certainly going to be interesting.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There's an obvious logic to having a general election.
The present government was elected on a mandate to have a referendum on Brexit Which is probably why it had a rather suprising majority. For all his faults David Cameron did deliver a referendum so as for calling him nasty names I think you should actually not be so horrid.
At the same time the cabinet was by a large a Pro Europe team. Now we have a government that is fundamentally not what we as a nation elected and does not represent what I personally voted for.
I think my local MP is a Pro Brexit one so as a person that voted to remain I will face the dilemma of voting as usual for a Tory candidate. Or do I vote for a candidate that is Pro EU and probably votes on all other matters in a complete opposite way to my own natural instinct.
So if there was general election and you lived in Ken Clarkes constituency or wherever you could cast your vote for the candidate that supports brexit.
It really would be amazing democracy in action because you Candidate would have to come out declare whether they support Brexit or not and actually for once in their life do something in parliament for what they were elected.
Honestly it would shut the arguments up once and for all. The meally mouth remainers like me could bog off LOL and you Brexiteers would have the true mandate that you wanted and voted for when the referendum took place.
That's what general elections are supposed to be for aren't they ?
"Thanks OP
Here's an extract:
"Remain MP Ken Clarke said he was prepared to “risk civil disorder to ignore the #Brexit vote” and it is now clear that his treacherous wish has been granted.
At the weekend, war criminal and Remain fanatic Tony Blair called for a Remain “insurrection” to stop Brexit."
Anglo-Saxon swear words are quite inadequate when it comes to describing these two and the other like-minded grovelling EU slaves like Major, Clegg, Mandelson, Miliband, Heseltine, Cameron...Yes, it's a quite a long of traitors. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I have no problem with it going to parliamnt for a vote, seems the sensible thing to do.
So if am correct here it would seem that the MPs should vote the way their constituents voted NOT VOTE FOR THEMSELVES, so according to a statement I heard yesterday on the radio that would mean 408 MPs would have to vote leave and 242 MPs would have to vote remain.
Therefore leave carries the day
Except you are not correct.
MPs are not expected to vote as their constituents tell them. You elect a member of parliament, not appoint a proxy."
So its ok for the MP to vote remain even though his constituents voted overwhelmingly to leave !!!! Therefore the MP knows better
How long do you think he would remain an MP |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is why we had a Referendum as it was clear the majority of m p s wanted to remain !
If we arnt going to honour the result we shouldn't have had a referendum !
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with it going to parliamnt for a vote, seems the sensible thing to do.
So if am correct here it would seem that the MPs should vote the way their constituents voted NOT VOTE FOR THEMSELVES, so according to a statement I heard yesterday on the radio that would mean 408 MPs would have to vote leave and 242 MPs would have to vote remain.
Therefore leave carries the day
Except you are not correct.
MPs are not expected to vote as their constituents tell them. You elect a member of parliament, not appoint a proxy.
So its ok for the MP to vote remain even though his constituents voted overwhelmingly to leave !!!! Therefore the MP knows better
How long do you think he would remain an MP"
Yes, it's ok because that's how the system works.
Of course, said MP may last only to the next election, but if it was 4 years later then they may well be reelected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted? "
I have no problem with parliamentary sovereignty as long as everything is done in the open
especially when it comes to votes, if there is parliamentary sovereignty then we the public have the right to know which way each of our MP's vote, every vote must be done in the open when it comes to issuing article 50 and other decisions regarding EU withdrawal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Going forward !
If this country ever has another referendum on anything it should be agreed before hand to make the result legally binding !
If this wasn't Britain Thier would probably be a civil war now !
I'm proud Thier isn't mind |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I have no problem with parliamentary sovereignty as long as everything is done in the open
especially when it comes to votes, if there is parliamentary sovereignty then we the public have the right to know which way each of our MP's vote, every vote must be done in the open when it comes to issuing article 50 and other decisions regarding EU withdrawal."
Keep up, all votes are published. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I have no problem with parliamentary sovereignty as long as everything is done in the open
especially when it comes to votes, if there is parliamentary sovereignty then we the public have the right to know which way each of our MP's vote, every vote must be done in the open when it comes to issuing article 50 and other decisions regarding EU withdrawal."
IIRC all votes are open to public view |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I have no problem with parliamentary sovereignty as long as everything is done in the open
especially when it comes to votes, if there is parliamentary sovereignty then we the public have the right to know which way each of our MP's vote, every vote must be done in the open when it comes to issuing article 50 and other decisions regarding EU withdrawal.
Keep up, all votes are published."
better not say I was going to hunt you down for that reply  lol
I did not realise that all votes are published and in that case I have no objection as long as I know exactly which MP voted what way
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"Going forward !
If this country ever has another referendum on anything it should be agreed before hand to make the result legally binding !
If this wasn't Britain Thier would probably be a civil war now !
I'm proud Thier isn't mind "
Well, although following this one I doubt we'll see one for some time, it does need to be properly done not the half arsed effort this one was!
Minimum 75% turnout.
At least 2/3 majority (as per changing US constitution).
16 to 18s allowed to vote (they're the one affected most after all).
That sort of thing. |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I have no problem with parliamentary sovereignty as long as everything is done in the open
especially when it comes to votes, if there is parliamentary sovereignty then we the public have the right to know which way each of our MP's vote, every vote must be done in the open when it comes to issuing article 50 and other decisions regarding EU withdrawal.
Keep up, all votes are published.
better not say I was going to hunt you down for that reply lol
I did not realise that all votes are published and in that case I have no objection as long as I know exactly which MP voted what way
I will try to keep up in future, but if not I am sure some will keep me in line "
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"Going forward !
If this country ever has another referendum on anything it should be agreed before hand to make the result legally binding !
If this wasn't Britain Thier would probably be a civil war now !
I'm proud Thier isn't mind
Well, although following this one I doubt we'll see one for some time, it does need to be properly done not the half arsed effort this one was!
Minimum 75% turnout.
At least 2/3 majority (as per changing US constitution).
16 to 18s allowed to vote (they're the one affected most after all).
That sort of thing."
I don't mind what criteria but I agree , the rules need to be clear !
What next ? The general election result going to a judge ? Who after all is one man or woman ! |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole.."
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
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Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
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Be nice to think that they actually knew this before they voted though!
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
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I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same... |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same..."
Did I forget to mention that the EU politicians are even worse, and there is more of them. |
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Talk about fire in the hole.."
just so you know they don't sit on Saturday evenings..
fire in the hole
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same..."
so what type of system of governance do you want? |
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over a year ago
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I have no problem with parliamentary sovereignty as long as everything is done in the open
especially when it comes to votes, if there is parliamentary sovereignty then we the public have the right to know which way each of our MP's vote, every vote must be done in the open when it comes to issuing article 50 and other decisions regarding EU withdrawal."
You can find out how your MP voted on anything by visiting the website They Work For You. You can even get emails about when your MP asks a question in parliament, requests written answers etc.
The results of all parliamentary votes are published.  |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?"
One in which any one of them (politicians) can be booted out at any given time. Where they answer to the people at all times, not just when trying to get elected. Where there are no career politicians because they are paid no more than they actually deserve, with no expenses.
That would be a start I guess.. |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?"
If Brexiters on here had to chose between the following two options, what wound you go for?:
1) a United Kingdom with an independent judiciary and parliamentary sovereignty which was a member of the EU.
2) A disunited kingdom with a seperate England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, with a PM who could repeal acts of parliament at will and had the power to dismiss judges, that was not a member of the EU.
Which would you prefer? |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?
If Brexiters on here had to chose between the following two options, what wound you go for?:
1) a United Kingdom with an independent judiciary and parliamentary sovereignty which was a member of the EU.
2) A disunited kingdom with a seperate England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, with a PM who could repeal acts of parliament at will and had the power to dismiss judges, that was not a member of the EU.
Which would you prefer? "
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
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Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum? |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?
If Brexiters on here had to chose between the following two options, what wound you go for?:
1) a United Kingdom with an independent judiciary and parliamentary sovereignty which was a member of the EU.
2) A disunited kingdom with a seperate England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, with a PM who could repeal acts of parliament at will and had the power to dismiss judges, that was not a member of the EU.
Which would you prefer? "
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?
One in which any one of them (politicians) can be booted out at any given time. Where they answer to the people at all times, not just when trying to get elected. Where there are no career politicians because they are paid no more than they actually deserve, with no expenses.
That would be a start I guess.."
it wouldn't be an effective system let alone the expense if every time there were some of their constituents who disagreed with how they vote etc were able to remove them and who would wish to do it?
look at the brexit issue and it even had 2 campaigns running side by side as there wasn't an agreed consensus on what it meant..
let alone your average constituency with all the varying views..
I certainly think that having an MP who has worked in the real world as opposed to just doing the Uni, researcher, intern safe seat route is preferable but experience in that world is also a bonus..
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Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum?"
it didn't need to be on there if as it was apparent that it didn't state the referendum was a binding one on the paper..
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum?"
Well, apart from the point that the ballot paper is not where you put that level of detail?
It didn't need to be written on anywhere, it was always inherent, as I have stated ad infinitum, it's called parliamentary sovereignty.
In things like this you don't state the usual, you state the exceptions. |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum?
it didn't need to be on there if as it was apparent that it didn't state the referendum was a binding one on the paper..
I think"
Oh yeah. So every time there's a referendum and some multimillionaire investment banker cunt and his smart arse Brazilian girlfriend fancy a legal challenge they can overturn the will of the people? And that's called a referendum? |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum?
it didn't need to be on there if as it was apparent that it didn't state the referendum was a binding one on the paper..
I think
Oh yeah. So every time there's a referendum and some multimillionaire investment banker cunt and his smart arse Brazilian girlfriend fancy a legal challenge they can overturn the will of the people? And that's called a referendum?"
Another classy reply.
Demonstrating a clear understanding of our political system.
Instead of slapping foul obscenities around the place, how about trying to understand how our system works? |
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Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum?
it didn't need to be on there if as it was apparent that it didn't state the referendum was a binding one on the paper..
I think
Oh yeah. So every time there's a referendum and some multimillionaire investment banker cunt and his smart arse Brazilian girlfriend fancy a legal challenge they can overturn the will of the people? And that's called a referendum?"
you need to address your angst to dave Cameron maybe as it was his call to hold it and one might expect he would have got someone, maybe the justice secretary at the time one Michael gove to look at how it was worded and what may be the options that either side or citizens may decide to take after the vote ..
did not Farage state that the result if it was the other way round at the same percentages be open to challenge?
Also it has not been overturned..
its being scrutinised by the sovereign body that is our Parliament, the very same sovereignty that was a core tenet of the brexit campaign seems either not understood or not so wanted now..? |
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"you need to address your angst to dave Cameron maybe as it was his call to hold it and one might expect he would have got someone, maybe the justice secretary at the time one Michael gove to look at how it was worded and what may be the options that either side or citizens may decide to take after the vote"
Good point!
Although he may well have done! I have seen a few of the letters Gove sent to schools when he was Education Secretary, they were littered with grammatical errors and spelling mistakes!
And, of course, he's famous for sayings such as 'all students will be above average in Maths'! |
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Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?
If Brexiters on here had to chose between the following two options, what wound you go for?:
1) a United Kingdom with an independent judiciary and parliamentary sovereignty which was a member of the EU.
2) A disunited kingdom with a seperate England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, with a PM who could repeal acts of parliament at will and had the power to dismiss judges, that was not a member of the EU.
Which would you prefer?
Ah, tried 2 before didn't we? Well, not us exactly but Stalin and Hitler spring to mind, that worked well didn't it!"
You could also add Pol Pot, Saddam, Gaddafi, Vlad the Impaler, Genghis Khan, Nero, The Pharaohs...
In fact there are examples all through history, you can pick the tyrant of your choice, they all share a few things in common. Mainly that they all killed anyone who disagreed with them, anyone who helped them gain power and anyone who they thought might threaten them in the future. Of course they all took great pleasure in making all they decided to kill suffer as much as possible.
"Point me to the section on the ballot paper where it said that Parliament would have the final say in the Referendum?
it didn't need to be on there if as it was apparent that it didn't state the referendum was a binding one on the paper..
I think"
I know the standard of secondary education has dropped appallingly over the last 40 years. But I am sure that the British constitution, parliamentary democracy, the independence of the Judiciary and separation of powers is still taught. Therefore all I can assume is that rather than paying attention to your teachers you were staring out a window and daydreaming. Because if you had paid attention in school or even on the run up to the referendum (I and others pointed out that regardless of the result parliament would have the last say because only they have the power to change our status) you would have know the position rather than having to guess.  |
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Another classy reply.
Demonstrating a clear understanding of our political system.
Instead of slapping foul obscenities around the place, how about trying to understand how our system works?"
I, along with millions of others are sick of the Establishment and their smart-arse EU-loving lackeys.
Tell me about the 'system'? Is that the one where arrogant millionaires (with others like scumbags Tony Blair, Mandelson, the Milibands loitering in the background) roll up to the High Court and successfully add on an addendum to the Referendum ballot paper AFTER THE VOTE has taken place??? Thereby taking the decision out of the hands of the voters and throwing it back to a large number of well known EU-loving Parliamentarians who will do their level best to water down/disrupt/neuter the will of the people!?
If you can assure me that those pro-EU MPs will do a Cameron and honourably bugger off (and that includes May)I would be quite happy to hand it back to Parliament but not as the situation is now! |
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Another classy reply.
Demonstrating a clear understanding of our political system.
Instead of slapping foul obscenities around the place, how about trying to understand how our system works?
I, along with millions of others are sick of the Establishment and their smart-arse EU-loving lackeys.
Tell me about the 'system'? Is that the one where arrogant millionaires (with others like scumbags Tony Blair, Mandelson, the Milibands loitering in the background) roll up to the High Court and successfully add on an addendum to the Referendum ballot paper AFTER THE VOTE has taken place??? Thereby taking the decision out of the hands of the voters and throwing it back to a large number of well known EU-loving Parliamentarians who will do their level best to water down/disrupt/neuter the will of the people!?
If you can assure me that those pro-EU MPs will do a Cameron and honourably bugger off (and that includes May)I would be quite happy to hand it back to Parliament but not as the situation is now!"
Parliament did not make the referendum binding, you have known that since it became an Act in 2015. |
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"I know the standard of secondary education has dropped appallingly over the last 40 years. But I am sure that the British constitution, parliamentary democracy, the independence of the Judiciary and separation of powers is still taught. Therefore all I can assume is that rather than paying attention to your teachers you were staring out a window and daydreaming. Because if you had paid attention in school or even on the run up to the referendum (I and others pointed out that regardless of the result parliament would have the last say because only they have the power to change our status) you would have know the position rather than having to guess. "
Actually, I'm not at all sure that it is. If it is there it will be in the rather nebulous PSHE or whatever the individual school calls it. Problem is, schools only really care about exam results when push comes to shove. The answer would be to put it on the National Curriculm as a core subject and report it in league tables. Until then, forget itl |
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"Parliament did not make the referendum binding, you have known that since it became an Act in 2015. "
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"I would be quite happy to hand it back to Parliament but not as the situation is now!"
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! "
Sadly in many court cases there is no such thing as justice or being inpartial. Judges just make decisions on the day. Who cares about them or what they have to say ? They are not even accountable and more money is wasted on the appeals process.
In the case of Plcs if they make too many wrong decisions the company collapses .
Judges get paid massive salaries and are not even accountable to anyone . They are also pomp and arrogant .
We do not need to opinions of judges on how we vote . Why would anyone care about what they have to say.
I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted . |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! Sadly in many court cases there is no such thing as justice or being inpartial. Judges just make decisions on the day. Who cares about them or what they have to say ? They are not even accountable and more money is wasted on the appeals process.
In the case of Plcs if they make too many wrong decisions the company collapses .
Judges get paid massive salaries and are not even accountable to anyone . They are also pomp and arrogant .
We do not need to opinions of judges on how we vote . Why would anyone care about what they have to say.
I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted . "
Out of interest, if there had been reports of major vote rigging in the referendum, and the result has been to Remain, who would you turn to in that situation? |
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"I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted . "
So, what you are saying is, therefore, that you don't agree that we should abide by the rule of law in this country?
In which case, what rule do we abide by? The mob? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! Sadly in many court cases there is no such thing as justice or being inpartial. Judges just make decisions on the day. Who cares about them or what they have to say ? They are not even accountable and more money is wasted on the appeals process.
In the case of Plcs if they make too many wrong decisions the company collapses .
Judges get paid massive salaries and are not even accountable to anyone . They are also pomp and arrogant .
We do not need to opinions of judges on how we vote . Why would anyone care about what they have to say.
I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted .
Out of interest, if there had been reports of major vote rigging in the referendum, and the result has been to Remain, who would you turn to in that situation? "
Hmmm? It wouldn't have been the courts by any chance would it? |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! Sadly in many court cases there is no such thing as justice or being inpartial. Judges just make decisions on the day. Who cares about them or what they have to say ? They are not even accountable and more money is wasted on the appeals process.
In the case of Plcs if they make too many wrong decisions the company collapses .
Judges get paid massive salaries and are not even accountable to anyone . They are also pomp and arrogant .
We do not need to opinions of judges on how we vote . Why would anyone care about what they have to say.
I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted .
Out of interest, if there had been reports of major vote rigging in the referendum, and the result has been to Remain, who would you turn to in that situation?
Hmmm? It wouldn't have been the courts by any chance would it? "
But Thier wasn't any vote rigging ! |
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! Sadly in many court cases there is no such thing as justice or being inpartial. Judges just make decisions on the day. Who cares about them or what they have to say ? They are not even accountable and more money is wasted on the appeals process.
In the case of Plcs if they make too many wrong decisions the company collapses .
Judges get paid massive salaries and are not even accountable to anyone . They are also pomp and arrogant .
We do not need to opinions of judges on how we vote . Why would anyone care about what they have to say.
I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted .
Out of interest, if there had been reports of major vote rigging in the referendum, and the result has been to Remain, who would you turn to in that situation? "
A rather academic question. If there was sufficient evidence the police and electorate commission would investigate . |
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"I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted .
So, what you are saying is, therefore, that you don't agree that we should abide by the rule of law in this country?
In which case, what rule do we abide by? The mob?"
What I am saying is that the various legal procedures are of no interest to most people and the only thing that matters is the result of the vote on the day. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"if the roles where reversed and it was the remain camp who had won, and the leave camp campaigned the same way that the remain camp have,
Do you not think that the remain camp would be behaving exactly the same way that the leave camp are now.
Just a thought
No not really, the Leave side campaigned for Parliamentary Sovereignty and are now "throwing their toys out of the pram" (to use a favourite phrase of leavers) that they have got parliamentary sovereignty. I don't really understand why they are upset.
They got what they said they wanted. Were they lying about what they wanted?
I totally agree with you!
Why aren't leavers partying in the streets at this victory for parliamentary sovereignty?
Yesterday's newspaper headlines were a disgrace! Once again it feels like 1930s Germany.
What nonsense. All the government want to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and respect the will of the people. Now it seems 3 judges are holding the 52% (17 and a half million people) who voted Leave to ransom.
Isn't the law annoying!
It's been said many times the law is an ass! Sadly in many court cases there is no such thing as justice or being inpartial. Judges just make decisions on the day. Who cares about them or what they have to say ? They are not even accountable and more money is wasted on the appeals process.
In the case of Plcs if they make too many wrong decisions the company collapses .
Judges get paid massive salaries and are not even accountable to anyone . They are also pomp and arrogant .
We do not need to opinions of judges on how we vote . Why would anyone care about what they have to say.
I prefer to live in the real world and respect the results of how people voted .
Out of interest, if there had been reports of major vote rigging in the referendum, and the result has been to Remain, who would you turn to in that situation? A rather academic question. If there was sufficient evidence the police and electorate commission would investigate . "
So you wouldn't want the courts to examine what the police uncover? Is there much point of the police without a judiciary? |
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Parliament did not make the referendum binding, you have known that since it became an Act in 2015. "
Oh, I see!? It was a pretend referendum. A Blue Peter referendum? A Monty Python sketch 'referendum'. So that's how the 'political system' operates. Well...no wonder so many people are pissed off with it! |
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By *LCCCouple
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Parliament did not make the referendum binding, you have known that since it became an Act in 2015.
Oh, I see!? It was a pretend referendum. A Blue Peter referendum? A Monty Python sketch 'referendum'. So that's how the 'political system' operates. Well...no wonder so many people are pissed off with it!"
It was published a year before the referendum, it's not my fault you didn't read it or understand it.
Out of interest, what was you primary reason for voting Leave? Parliamentary Sovereignty? |
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Parliament did not make the referendum binding, you have known that since it became an Act in 2015.
Oh, I see!? It was a pretend referendum. A Blue Peter referendum? A Monty Python sketch 'referendum'. So that's how the 'political system' operates. Well...no wonder so many people are pissed off with it!
It was published a year before the referendum, it's not my fault you didn't read it or understand it.
Out of interest, what was you primary reason for voting Leave? Parliamentary Sovereignty? "
So you're telling me that Cameron spent three months playing the Wicked Witch in a Referendum Pantomime...but then felt obliged to resign ON THE MORNING OF THE RESULT!? And why was that then? |
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By *LCCCouple
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Parliament did not make the referendum binding, you have known that since it became an Act in 2015.
Oh, I see!? It was a pretend referendum. A Blue Peter referendum? A Monty Python sketch 'referendum'. So that's how the 'political system' operates. Well...no wonder so many people are pissed off with it!
It was published a year before the referendum, it's not my fault you didn't read it or understand it.
Out of interest, what was you primary reason for voting Leave? Parliamentary Sovereignty?
So you're telling me that Cameron spent three months playing the Wicked Witch in a Referendum Pantomime...but then felt obliged to resign ON THE MORNING OF THE RESULT!? And why was that then?"
Why didn't you just read it? |
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Going forward I think all sides need to take stick breath deeply and learn lessons for the future of our country or country's depending on your point of view .
No one can deny it's a mess  |
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By *LCCCouple
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"Going forward I think all sides need to take stick breath deeply and learn lessons for the future of our country or country's depending on your point of view .
No one can deny it's a mess "
This is only the start of the mess |
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Spare a thought for this. The 3 judges sit in the high court which is the lowest tier of the judiciary, The high court is where you can get judgments for non payment and stuff like that.
In practical terms the decision to rule against the government in a democracy was probably the right one because it is now referred to the highest court in the land. It's not called the supreme court for nowt you know, where the judiciary can make a ruling. It's the way our unwritten constitution works I'm afraid. At end of day they've sped things up by, by passing the appeal court so by early december we will know if this was a red herring or not.
If for some this process is a bit long winded and inconvenient then it's probably a bit tough because a democracy should have a few checks and balances to make sure things are done properly and in accordance with the law.
Also if say the government had won the ruling the plaintiffs would have probably appealed and it would have gone to the appeal court and then the supreme court anyway so by doing it this way it's actually sped things up a bit.
There...... Politics behind decision explained a bit
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"Going forward I think all sides need to take stick breath deeply and learn lessons for the future of our country or country's depending on your point of view .
No one can deny it's a mess
This is only the start of the mess "
Now should be a time for all sides to be sensible and sort it out !
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"https://voteleaveuk.com/2016/11/03/if-parliament-votes-against-article-50-operation-beacon-will-begin-immediately-to-enforce-brexit/
Just comne across this, would like peoples view on this please."
Just a bunch of total fucking wankers who are probably secretly happy they have something to demonstrate against.
Let them light their beacons, its not as if many will stand around them for long until they get bored |
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"On tonight of all nights, I just wish we had another Fuy Fawks. A successful one this time however.
Talk about fire in the hole..
Hang on.
You voted Brexit. Was this to 'return sovereignty to the UK'?
If it was, what is your problem with this? UK sovereignty lies with parliament so you're getting what you wanted.
Schuss now, of course they want parliamentary sovereignty, just not when it is interferes with what they want...
I didn't vote leave for "Parliamentary" sovereignty, just sovereignty is all.
All Westminster politicians make me sick, have done as far back as I remember.
They are all the same...
so what type of system of governance do you want?
If Brexiters on here had to chose between the following two options, what wound you go for?:
1) a United Kingdom with an independent judiciary and parliamentary sovereignty which was a member of the EU.
2) A disunited kingdom with a seperate England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, with a PM who could repeal acts of parliament at will and had the power to dismiss judges, that was not a member of the EU.
Which would you prefer? "
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