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"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of "If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal. Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement. | |||
"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement."Like the rest of us you will have to wait and see I can not see the point in second guessing what will happen and causing more division.  | |||
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"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement."A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box. But we shal wait and see | |||
" Like the rest of us you will have to wait and see I can not see the point in second guessing what will happen and causing more division. "I didn't write the article - The Daily Telegraph did. How can I cause division if I didn't write the article? The division as you call it would be created (as usual) from Leave supporting sources - in this case the Daily Telegraph. | |||
" A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box. But we shal wait and see " Why would it be the end of democracy? Are you suggesting that people should not have the ability to change their minds? That is a bit Dictatorial if you don't mind me saying. | |||
" A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box. But we shal wait and see Why would it be the end of democracy? Are you suggesting that people should not have the ability to change their minds? That is a bit Dictatorial if you don't mind me saying. " why would people change their minds? Can you actually tell us what the problem is? What has gone wrong? What will go wrong other than a possible slow down in the economy for a while? And I mean facts, not scaremongering predictions, people are wise to that and sick of it. Discredited MP's can stir up all the shit they want but it won't change the outcome. Another vote, which won't happen, would only see the leave vote increase | |||
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"A longer, detailed, informed and fact checked debate followed by a second referendum would show democracy is alive and well, rather than end it." . It was too long last time.... And now the carlsberg has been derailed on the Chunnel I fear the worst and I'll actually be forced to listen to more idiots talk jibber jabber about something 27% of us couldn't give a rat's arse about.... | |||
"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement."You forgot the part where Downing street officials said it is highly likely that high skilled workers will be allowed to move freely. Because you know, our establishment politicians understand that just because you leave the EU organisations and businesses will not be willing to start training up young people to take on high skilled roles, and because we don't want things to got to shit over a few years. So there goes the Brexit argument for people under 30 will have more access to higher paying and career jobs and it will make businesses take on and train up British nationals. | |||
" Like the rest of us you will have to wait and see I can not see the point in second guessing what will happen and causing more division.
I didn't write the article - The Daily Telegraph did. How can I cause division if I didn't write the article? The division as you call it would be created (as usual) from Leave supporting sources - in this case the Daily Telegraph.
"I did,nt say you did write the article but you are the one on this forum that brought up the subject a remain supporter not a leave supporter just to stir up more trouble.  | |||
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" Like the rest of us you will have to wait and see I can not see the point in second guessing what will happen and causing more division.
I didn't write the article - The Daily Telegraph did. How can I cause division if I didn't write the article? The division as you call it would be created (as usual) from Leave supporting sources - in this case the Daily Telegraph.
I did,nt say you did write the article but you are the one on this forum that brought up the subject a remain supporter not a leave supporter just to stir up more trouble. "So we shouldn't post things that you disagree with? | |||
" Like the rest of us you will have to wait and see I can not see the point in second guessing what will happen and causing more division.
I didn't write the article - The Daily Telegraph did. How can I cause division if I didn't write the article? The division as you call it would be created (as usual) from Leave supporting sources - in this case the Daily Telegraph.
I did,nt say you did write the article but you are the one on this forum that brought up the subject a remain supporter not a leave supporter just to stir up more trouble.
So we shouldn't post things that you disagree with? "I did,nt say that either I was pointing out that a remainer put up the post not a leaver. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU. | |||
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"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement.
You forgot the part where Downing street officials said it is highly likely that high skilled workers will be allowed to move freely. Because you know, our establishment politicians understand that just because you leave the EU organisations and businesses will not be willing to start training up young people to take on high skilled roles, and because we don't want things to got to shit over a few years.
So there goes the Brexit argument for people under 30 will have more access to higher paying and career jobs and it will make businesses take on and train up British nationals."That was a non-sequitur rant, if ever I heard one. Yet another remainer misinterpreting reality. Implying that the remainers campaign was faultless and logical - and suggesting that Brexiters accepted every argument presented. Poppycock. Not that I ever heard that particular argument in any event. The only argument I heard was a points-based system which would encourage skills-based immigration. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU. "Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment."Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you? | |||
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"I am staunchly in favour of leaving the EU, but I would love to see the govt neg out of BREXIT after the referendum. If they do it will be a total breach of trust, and there will be trouble, big trouble. In a so called "democracy" a government cannot act like a dictatorship. They gave us a referendum and we voted leave, to reverse the decision would be affront. So let them do it, let them show the people of Great Britain that we never really did have a say. Let them then reap what they sow. Let the people's march on Whitehall begin! It's our time." Why would there be trouble if large numbers of people took advantage of their democratic right to change their mind? Are you suggesting then that a vocal minority would use violence to try to intimidate the peaceful majority just because they had a change of mind? Just to remind you that we live in a democracy and intimidation and violence by a minority is not acceptable. | |||
" Like the rest of us you will have to wait and see I can not see the point in second guessing what will happen and causing more division.
I didn't write the article - The Daily Telegraph did. How can I cause division if I didn't write the article? The division as you call it would be created (as usual) from Leave supporting sources - in this case the Daily Telegraph.
I did,nt say you did write the article but you are the one on this forum that brought up the subject a remain supporter not a leave supporter just to stir up more trouble.
So we shouldn't post things that you disagree with? "You are free to post what you want....but you should clear it with certain contributors first, whatever were you thinking? | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?"The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost."And one should be troubled by a journalist's opinion because? | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost."You will have to repeat that several times before some get it..... | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it....."That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?" I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything. What does Psychic Sally sense? | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it....."It seems the Prime Minister Theresa May is not getting it. Footage of her on sky news and BBC news arriving at the EU summit today where she said "we are LEAVING the EU". If that is not clear enough for the 27 other EU member states and you Remainers here in the UK I don't know what is? You Remainers really are going to have to get over this at some point. Maybe some of you should consider seeing a Doctor, this constant state of denial you all seem to be in can't be good for your health. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost."And you think I care what the Telegraph prints. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?"OK let's try to make it easy... It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper. However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission. ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?
OK let's try to make it easy...
It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper.
However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission.
ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away. "I,ll make it VERY easy WE ARE LEAVING THE EU got it. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?
OK let's try to make it easy...
It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper.
However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission.
ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away. "I did not read the Telegraph article. Did they do a second referendum? Ah, no ... | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?
OK let's try to make it easy...
It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper.
However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission.
ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away.
I did not read the Telegraph article. Did they do a second referendum?
Ah, no ..."The Sun, The Daily Mail and The Daily Express also all backed vote Leave. I've not seen any of this in those newspapers. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?
OK let's try to make it easy...
It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper.
However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission.
ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away.
I,ll make it VERY easy WE ARE LEAVING THE EU got it. "I and a large number of Europhiles will be doing our utmost to "throw a spanner in the works" in order to disrupt and delay the process. It needs a very small swing of sentiment across the country to expose the Brexshit bullshit for what it is and for the majority to realise just how deviously they were lied to. When the Daily Torygraph starts to panic we know the fight is being won. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?
OK let's try to make it easy...
It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper.
However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission.
ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away.
I,ll make it VERY easy WE ARE LEAVING THE EU got it.
I and a large number of Europhiles will be doing our utmost to "throw a spanner in the works" in order to disrupt and delay the process.
It needs a very small swing of sentiment across the country to expose the Brexshit bullshit for what it is and for the majority to realise just how deviously they were lied to.
When the Daily Torygraph starts to panic we know the fight is being won."When you start to believe that what a journalist in the Telegraph matters, then you should wonder why you think the "fight" is being "won." | |||
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"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free." Bravo - now you are getting it... "If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament." | |||
"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement.
A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box.
But we shal wait and see "I think you're having a giraffe if you think we have a functioning democracy in this country! 
We're in this mess because FPP allowed a party with a mandate from 25% of the electorate was allowed to spin out its stupid internecine war by carrying out this totally unnecessary referendum - which is now has a not democratically elected PM attempting to force it through...
Democracy!?
Next people will be believing that a vote with a swing majority of 2% is an overwhelming mandate and tell me to 'suck it up' for whinging these last few months, despite the fact that leavers have been bellyaching for over 40 years!
Anyway, I have a good job and can leave the country - I just feel sorry for people who were hoodwinked into believing the lies and won't be able to afford the increasing food and fuel prices already starting to bite, or if the lose their jobs because their company relocates their jobs to the EU... 
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"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free." We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year. | |||
"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement.
A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box.
But we shal wait and see
I think you're having a giraffe if you think we have a functioning democracy in this country!
We're in this mess because FPP allowed a party with a mandate from 25% of the electorate was allowed to spin out its stupid internecine war by carrying out this totally unnecessary referendum - which is now has a not democratically elected PM attempting to force it through...
Democracy!?
Next people will be believing that a vote with a swing majority of 2% is an overwhelming mandate and tell me to 'suck it up' for whinging these last few months, despite the fact that leavers have been bellyaching for over 40 years!
Anyway, I have a good job and can leave the country - I just feel sorry for people who were hoodwinked into believing the lies and won't be able to afford the increasing food and fuel prices already starting to bite, or if the lose their jobs because their company relocates their jobs to the EU...
;-)"That's funny because the food and fuel I buy still costs the same now as it did before the referendum. If you are leaving the country do you need any help packing your bags? There is a housing shortage here so I'm sure someone will be glad to take advantage of the house you leave behind. | |||
As for the rest of the prices, just wait until the currency hedges start running out...
Actually, I like it here - for the time being  | |||
"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement.
A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box.
But we shal wait and see
I think you're having a giraffe if you think we have a functioning democracy in this country!
We're in this mess because FPP allowed a party with a mandate from 25% of the electorate was allowed to spin out its stupid internecine war by carrying out this totally unnecessary referendum - which is now has a not democratically elected PM attempting to force it through...
Democracy!?
Next people will be believing that a vote with a swing majority of 2% is an overwhelming mandate and tell me to 'suck it up' for whinging these last few months, despite the fact that leavers have been bellyaching for over 40 years!
Anyway, I have a good job and can leave the country - I just feel sorry for people who were hoodwinked into believing the lies and won't be able to afford the increasing food and fuel prices already starting to bite, or if the lose their jobs because their company relocates their jobs to the EU...
;-)"Yes it will as always be the low paid amongst the population that will suffer the most....and you are correct that fuel prices are rising, average supermarket price for unleaded in May was £1.06, average supermarket price in October is £1.11 | |||
" Anyway, I have a good job and can leave the country - I just feel sorry for people who were hoodwinked into believing the lies and won't be able to afford the increasing food and fuel prices already starting to bite, or if the lose their jobs because their company relocates their jobs to the EU...
;-)"There is always a lag with economic cause and effect. January will be the time when inflationary price increases will become much more noticeable. | |||
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" Anyway, I have a good job and can leave the country - I just feel sorry for people who were hoodwinked into believing the lies and won't be able to afford the increasing food and fuel prices already starting to bite, or if the lose their jobs because their company relocates their jobs to the EU...
;-)
There is always a lag with economic cause and effect. January will be the time when inflationary price increases will become much more noticeable. "Economic cause and effect? Is that not an oxymoron? If economists could predict anything, we would be living in a land of honey. | |||
" There is always a lag with economic cause and effect. January will be the time when inflationary price increases will become much more noticeable. Economic cause and effect? Is that not an oxymoron? If economists could predict anything, we would be living in a land of honey." See the post above yours. 1 and 1 will always make 2. | |||
" There is always a lag with economic cause and effect. January will be the time when inflationary price increases will become much more noticeable. Economic cause and effect? Is that not an oxymoron? If economists could predict anything, we would be living in a land of honey. See the post above yours. 1 and 1 will always make 2." 1 and 1 does make 2, and 52% means we are leaving the EU. | |||
" There is always a lag with economic cause and effect. January will be the time when inflationary price increases will become much more noticeable. Economic cause and effect? Is that not an oxymoron? If economists could predict anything, we would be living in a land of honey. See the post above yours. 1 and 1 will always make 2." Then please dictate the state of the economy in 1, 2, 3 or 10 years time. Or, if you prefer, as Mr Osborne did, by 2030. | |||
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"It would only need a 0.9% swing for a second referendum to give another result." And only 38% voted for Brexit. 62% will not put up with being significantly poorer just to make the Brexiters happy. | |||
"It would only need a 0.9% swing for a second referendum to give another result." and then what? So are you going to answer the question from your own thread here, seeing as you are purposely avoiding it? What will it take for you to admit you voted the wrong way? | |||
"It would only need a 0.9% swing for a second referendum to give another result. And only 38% voted for Brexit. 62% will not put up with being significantly poorer just to make the Brexiters happy. " How many of the 62% voted? | |||
"It would only need a 0.9% swing for a second referendum to give another result. And only 38% voted for Brexit. 62% will not put up with being significantly poorer just to make the Brexiters happy. " Only 39% voted for Erdogan in Turkey but you seem to accept his democratically elected position as legitimate on another thread just the other day. | |||
"It would only need a 0.9% swing for a second referendum to give another result. And only 38% voted for Brexit. 62% will not put up with being significantly poorer just to make the Brexiters happy. Only 39% voted for Erdogan in Turkey but you seem to accept his democratically elected position as legitimate on another thread just the other day. "Yes it is, but if they have another election and the other guy gets 40%, then he will be in charge won't he? | |||
"Yesterdays Telegraph called for leading Brexiters to get back on the campaign trail to push the Leave message. Seemingly there are worries now at the Telegraph that the economic logic of Remain message is slowly but surely chipping away at the case to Leave and as one notable quote in the article said... "One thing is clear: concern is mounting in Eurosceptic circles."" Is that not just one opinion ? An article on page 20 today is a very different view and is fully in favour of Brexit . We have voted to leave and only very arrogant individuals would obstruct the process. In reality other countries still have to buy our goods and we buy theirs . We now have a stronger export market due to a more realistic valuation of the pound and a booming stock market which is good news for investors. In addition we can now set our own laws and control immigration . It is difficult to see what we have to lose . The reality is that trading agreements are only pieces of paper and we will save the enormous financial contributions which we currently make . | |||
"What campaign is to ramp up? The choise was made! End of
If the Daily Telegraph are suggesting that the leading Leave campaigners get wheeled out again to continue making the Leave case - you can be assured that they are starting to worry that there could be a reversal.
Theresa May has already had to concede that her final Brexit deal will have to go through Parliament and there is still cross party concensus for a vote on the Govtys direction before A50. Not to mention the extremely credible legal challenge from N Ireland which on the face of it will mean a rewriting of the Good Friday Agreement.
A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box.
But we shal wait and see
I think you're having a giraffe if you think we have a functioning democracy in this country!
We're in this mess because FPP allowed a party with a mandate from 25% of the electorate was allowed to spin out its stupid internecine war by carrying out this totally unnecessary referendum - which is now has a not democratically elected PM attempting to force it through...
Democracy!?
Next people will be believing that a vote with a swing majority of 2% is an overwhelming mandate and tell me to 'suck it up' for whinging these last few months, despite the fact that leavers have been bellyaching for over 40 years!
Anyway, I have a good job and can leave the country - I just feel sorry for people who were hoodwinked into believing the lies and won't be able to afford the increasing food and fuel prices already starting to bite, or if the lose their jobs because their company relocates their jobs to the EU...
;-)
That's funny because the food and fuel I buy still costs the same now as it did before the referendum. If you are leaving the country do you need any help packing your bags? There is a housing shortage here so I'm sure someone will be glad to take advantage of the house you leave behind. "An amusing an d well thought out post . | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost.
You will have to repeat that several times before some get it.....
That a Telegraph journalist "senses something?"
I don't think how many times that is repeated is likely to change anything.
What does Psychic Sally sense?
OK let's try to make it easy...
It would perhaps be understandable for a newspaper like The Guardian to suggest that Leave voters are changing their mind as that would probably be par for the course for that newspaper.
However, when you have a full fat, steroid induced, full force Brexit supporting newspaper like the Telegraph demanding that Leave politicians get back on the case because many Leave voters are now changing their mind, that is a pretty powerful admission.
ON the FabPolitics scale of comparisons that would be like you saying that the Remain voters were starting to win the argument and there is a serious risk of the whole Brexit deal slipping away.
I,ll make it VERY easy WE ARE LEAVING THE EU got it.
I and a large number of Europhiles will be doing our utmost to "throw a spanner in the works" in order to disrupt and delay the process.
It needs a very small swing of sentiment across the country to expose the Brexshit bullshit for what it is and for the majority to realise just how deviously they were lied to.
When the Daily Torygraph starts to panic we know the fight is being won."How can you claim anyone was lied to?. All parties presented their case and the electorate made a decision which you have indicated that you are happy to either ignore or obstruct . To date I have not heard many of the electorate complaining that they were lied to. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost."Allister Heath expresses a pro Brexit opinion today on page 18. | |||
"Yesterdays Telegraph called for leading Brexiters to get back on the campaign trail to push the Leave message. Seemingly there are worries now at the Telegraph that the economic logic of Remain message is slowly but surely chipping away at the case to Leave and as one notable quote in the article said... "One thing is clear: concern is mounting in Eurosceptic circles." Is that not just one opinion ? An article on page 20 today is a very different view and is fully in favour of Brexit . We have voted to leave and only very arrogant individuals would obstruct the process. In reality other countries still have to buy our goods and we buy theirs . We now have a stronger export market due to a more realistic valuation of the pound and a booming stock market which is good news for investors. In addition we can now set our own laws and control immigration . It is difficult to see what we have to lose . The reality is that trading agreements are only pieces of paper and we will save the enormous financial contributions which we currently make . " We will save £13bn a year, but remember the bank of England has already spent £70bn on monetary policy measures, wiping out years of potential savings. The Treasury thinks that we will lose £66bn a year in tax revenues, so we will lose £66bn, to save £13bn. That would make us £53bn a year poorer. But lots of people say those figures are rubbish, so lets humour them for a second and say maybe the treasury have got it wrong by 50% and we will only lose £33bn a year (about the same as the education budget), that would still leave us £20bn a year worse off. | |||
"Yesterdays Telegraph called for leading Brexiters to get back on the campaign trail to push the Leave message. Seemingly there are worries now at the Telegraph that the economic logic of Remain message is slowly but surely chipping away at the case to Leave and as one notable quote in the article said... "One thing is clear: concern is mounting in Eurosceptic circles." Is that not just one opinion ? An article on page 20 today is a very different view and is fully in favour of Brexit . We have voted to leave and only very arrogant individuals would obstruct the process. In reality other countries still have to buy our goods and we buy theirs . We now have a stronger export market due to a more realistic valuation of the pound and a booming stock market which is good news for investors. In addition we can now set our own laws and control immigration . It is difficult to see what we have to lose . The reality is that trading agreements are only pieces of paper and we will save the enormous financial contributions which we currently make . We will save £13bn a year, but remember the bank of England has already spent £70bn on monetary policy measures, wiping out years of potential savings. The Treasury thinks that we will lose £66bn a year in tax revenues, so we will lose £66bn, to save £13bn. That would make us £53bn a year poorer. But lots of people say those figures are rubbish, so lets humour them for a second and say maybe the treasury have got it wrong by 50% and we will only lose £33bn a year (about the same as the education budget), that would still leave us £20bn a year worse off. " In which areas will the tax revenues drop and why ? | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year. "If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum. | |||
"............. I don't care what you post we are LEAVING the EU.
Tell that to the Daily Telegraph as they appear to be sensing a change of sentiment.
Tell that to the UK population who aren't sensing it. I don't think the Telegraph can quite manage to overcome a referendum result, do you?
The Daily Telegraph is a staunch supporter of Vote Leave and they are worried because people are changing their minds and the Telegraph is suggesting that the Vote Leave message is being lost. Allister Heath expresses a pro Brexit opinion today on page 18. "EXACTLY. He is the guy now running scared. | |||
"Yesterdays Telegraph called for leading Brexiters to get back on the campaign trail to push the Leave message. Seemingly there are worries now at the Telegraph that the economic logic of Remain message is slowly but surely chipping away at the case to Leave and as one notable quote in the article said... "One thing is clear: concern is mounting in Eurosceptic circles." Is that not just one opinion ? An article on page 20 today is a very different view and is fully in favour of Brexit . We have voted to leave and only very arrogant individuals would obstruct the process. In reality other countries still have to buy our goods and we buy theirs . We now have a stronger export market due to a more realistic valuation of the pound and a booming stock market which is good news for investors. In addition we can now set our own laws and control immigration . It is difficult to see what we have to lose . The reality is that trading agreements are only pieces of paper and we will save the enormous financial contributions which we currently make . We will save £13bn a year, but remember the bank of England has already spent £70bn on monetary policy measures, wiping out years of potential savings. The Treasury thinks that we will lose £66bn a year in tax revenues, so we will lose £66bn, to save £13bn. That would make us £53bn a year poorer. But lots of people say those figures are rubbish, so lets humour them for a second and say maybe the treasury have got it wrong by 50% and we will only lose £33bn a year (about the same as the education budget), that would still leave us £20bn a year worse off. " For the record the new Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond rubbished George Osborne's pre referendum scare stories yesterday. He said George Osborne's worst project fear predictions before the June vote had "already proved invalid". | |||
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"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum."Revolution?......hilarious | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum."And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%? | |||
"Yesterdays Telegraph called for leading Brexiters to get back on the campaign trail to push the Leave message. Seemingly there are worries now at the Telegraph that the economic logic of Remain message is slowly but surely chipping away at the case to Leave and as one notable quote in the article said... "One thing is clear: concern is mounting in Eurosceptic circles." Is that not just one opinion ? An article on page 20 today is a very different view and is fully in favour of Brexit . We have voted to leave and only very arrogant individuals would obstruct the process. In reality other countries still have to buy our goods and we buy theirs . We now have a stronger export market due to a more realistic valuation of the pound and a booming stock market which is good news for investors. In addition we can now set our own laws and control immigration . It is difficult to see what we have to lose . The reality is that trading agreements are only pieces of paper and we will save the enormous financial contributions which we currently make . We will save £13bn a year, but remember the bank of England has already spent £70bn on monetary policy measures, wiping out years of potential savings. The Treasury thinks that we will lose £66bn a year in tax revenues, so we will lose £66bn, to save £13bn. That would make us £53bn a year poorer. But lots of people say those figures are rubbish, so lets humour them for a second and say maybe the treasury have got it wrong by 50% and we will only lose £33bn a year (about the same as the education budget), that would still leave us £20bn a year worse off. In which areas will the tax revenues drop and why ? " Read the research yourself, from the Treasury, LSE, IFS, PwC and many other sources. | |||
" A reversal ? That would mean the end of democracy in the U.K. I do think there would be a big problem brewing as the UK has always prided itself on the power of the ballot box. But we shal wait and see Why would it be the end of democracy? Are you suggesting that people should not have the ability to change their minds? That is a bit Dictatorial if you don't mind me saying. " So we all keep having votes until everyone agrees and is happy? 
I voted once that's it will not vote again so even if they overturn it then so be it! What will be will be | |||
" So we all keep having votes until everyone agrees and is happy?
I voted once that's it will not vote again so even if they overturn it then so be it! What will be will be "So you want to travel from A to C and at point B there is an unsignposted fork in the road and you have to choose which way to go. You really do need to get to point C and so you make a quick decision and set off down a road. Eventually, you realise that the road that you chose is not taking you where you want to go and so you turn around and take the other road. | |||
" So we all keep having votes until everyone agrees and is happy?
I voted once that's it will not vote again so even if they overturn it then so be it! What will be will be
So you want to travel from A to C and at point B there is an unsignposted fork in the road and you have to choose which way to go. You really do need to get to point C and so you make a quick decision and set off down a road. Eventually, you realise that the road that you chose is not taking you where you want to go and so you turn around and take the other road."Just because the road is not the easy one does not mean it's the right one | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%? "And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ... | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ..."As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. "So are supposed to have another referendum ? | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. "The democratic thing to do would be to accept the result of the referendum. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is.
The democratic thing to do would be to accept the result of the referendum."Its not the Democratic thing to do to stop democracy once you get the result you want. Democracy continues. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is.
The democratic thing to do would be to accept the result of the referendum."But it did,nt go their way so like the EU did with Ireland in 2008 we keep voting until they get the right decision as was mentioned on Question Time last night. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is.
The democratic thing to do would be to accept the result of the referendum.
Its not the Democratic thing to do to stop democracy once you get the result you want. Democracy continues. "Let's have 1,000 more referendums then. Or should that be 1,001? | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is.
The democratic thing to do would be to accept the result of the referendum.
Its not the Democratic thing to do to stop democracy once you get the result you want. Democracy continues.
Let's have 1,000 more referendums then.
Or should that be 1,001?"Round and round and round we go where it stops nobody knows. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. "However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one. As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note. We have no option but to accept the result . Everyone knew what they were voting for . | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for ."Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories. "one good thing about the Lady "May" she says there will be no going back, we will be withdrawing from EU as the majority of the UK wishes she even put the EU in place by telling them she will be involved in all meetings and decisions up until article 50 is issued, the other 27 EU members may not have licked it, but it was a good ol British two fingers to them all | |||
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"my son voted he does not understand anything in politics as he is a 20 year old with no commitments like most. He voted out. When i asked why ? his answer... Dunno..those immigrants taking all our money. "Nature or nurture? | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories.
one good thing about the Lady "May"
she says there will be no going back, we will be withdrawing from EU as the majority of the UK wishes
she even put the EU in place by telling them she will be involved in all meetings and decisions up until article 50 is issued, the other 27 EU members may not have licked it, but it was a good ol British two fingers to them all
"I just hope we stick to our guns and leave. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories. "David Cameron kept telling us all during the referendum campaign there would be no second referendum, this would be a once in a lifetime decision. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories.
David Cameron kept telling us all during the referendum campaign there would be no second referendum, this would be a once in a lifetime decision. "Yes he did then wimped out when the shit hit the fan. | |||
" Yes he did then wimped out when the shit hit the fan. "If you think the shit has hit the fan already you'd better prepare a stiff drink or two for the next two or three years. At least until a sufficient number of people realise what a shit fest they signed up for. Then again, it must be said that failed Politician and now dazzling Brexit supremo David Davis has assured the country that there will be "no negative consequences from Brexit." So, in time honoured fashion, we can make ourselves cozy and prepare a post Brexit land of milk and honey.  | |||
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" Yes he did then wimped out when the shit hit the fan.
If you think the shit has hit the fan already you'd better prepare a stiff drink or two for the next two or three years. At least until a sufficient number of people realise what a shit fest they signed up for.
Then again, it must be said that failed Politician and now dazzling Brexit supremo David Davis has assured the country that there will be "no negative consequences from Brexit." So, in time honoured fashion, we can make ourselves cozy and prepare a post Brexit land of milk and honey. "Until the 50th referendum, when no one can be arsed to vote, and we can prepare for a Remain land of soured milk and shit. | |||
" Until the 50th referendum, when no one can be arsed to vote, and we can prepare for a Remain land of soured milk and shit." I as a Remain voter will grudgingly watch the developing slow motion trainwreck develop and I will watch what happens. If (big IF) David Davis turns out to be correct then I will be happy to stand corrected and at that time I would march on in to the bright new post Brexit future. I would do that because I would have been proven to be wrong. Let me ask you as a Leaver. Let's just say that you (and David Davis) are wrong and we are now at the very beginning of an economic catastrophe that if carried through could set the UK back 20, 30 years or more. How poor are you prepared for you and your country to become before you admit that you may have been wrong? So far without even triggering A50 we have seen interest rates cut to 0.25%, $60 billion worth of QE and the £GBP at its lowest level ever against the $USD. Coming very soon will be the inflation lag brought about by the falling pound. We have also heard quite openly from the leaders of other EU countries that the Brexit deal will reflect them protecting their own interests in the EU and that will not necessarily be of any benefit to the UK. This ultimately means that if/when Prime Minister may does invoke A50 we can all look forward to a further crashing of £GBP. There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that Brexit will be decided by what happens to the economy over the next couple of years and unfortunately Philip Hammond got some very bad news this morning which does not exactly help him (or us) moving forwards. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories.
one good thing about the Lady "May"
she says there will be no going back, we will be withdrawing from EU as the majority of the UK wishes
she even put the EU in place by telling them she will be involved in all meetings and decisions up until article 50 is issued, the other 27 EU members may not have licked it, but it was a good ol British two fingers to them all
"That's the way you see it, frankly they were laughing up their sleeves at her rather silly pronouncements; and she got a jolly good verbal spanking. | |||
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" Until the 50th referendum, when no one can be arsed to vote, and we can prepare for a Remain land of soured milk and shit. I as a Remain voter will grudgingly watch the developing slow motion trainwreck develop and I will watch what happens. If (big IF) David Davis turns out to be correct then I will be happy to stand corrected and at that time I would march on in to the bright new post Brexit future. I would do that because I would have been proven to be wrong. Let me ask you as a Leaver. Let's just say that you (and David Davis) are wrong and we are now at the very beginning of an economic catastrophe that if carried through could set the UK back 20, 30 years or more. How poor are you prepared for you and your country to become before you admit that you may have been wrong? So far without even triggering A50 we have seen interest rates cut to 0.25%, $60 billion worth of QE and the £GBP at its lowest level ever against the $USD. Coming very soon will be the inflation lag brought about by the falling pound. We have also heard quite openly from the leaders of other EU countries that the Brexit deal will reflect them protecting their own interests in the EU and that will not necessarily be of any benefit to the UK. This ultimately means that if/when Prime Minister may does invoke A50 we can all look forward to a further crashing of £GBP. There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that Brexit will be decided by what happens to the economy over the next couple of years and unfortunately Philip Hammond got some very bad news this morning which does not exactly help him (or us) moving forwards." And I will watch our economy blossom. | |||
"If bravado and bullshit are a saleable commodity post Brexit then we haven't got anything to worry about. " On the plus side though the sale of Sour grapes post Brexit has gone through the roof. Keep buying them in the quantities you do and you could wipe out the deficit all on your own. | |||
" Yes he did then wimped out when the shit hit the fan.
If you think the shit has hit the fan already you'd better prepare a stiff drink or two for the next two or three years. At least until a sufficient number of people realise what a shit fest they signed up for.
Then again, it must be said that failed Politician and now dazzling Brexit supremo David Davis has assured the country that there will be "no negative consequences from Brexit." So, in time honoured fashion, we can make ourselves cozy and prepare a post Brexit land of milk and honey. "Good or bad we are LEAVING the EU its up to the Government to do their job and get the best deal they can. All your moaning and name calling will not make any difference. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year. "The problem with revolutions is that the real seldom stops where person who started it wanted it to. | |||
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"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum."It's not our decision it's your decision and, like any decision made by an electorate, it can be undone by another at a later date. For now the government has a mandate to leave the EU but no mandate lasts forever and the people have the right to remove that mandate, either through a general election (preferably) or a third referendum. If those that don't like the change of heart of the British people, if it happens, want to go out on the streets to try and start a radical right revolution they're welcome. I'd predict that they'll have about the same level of success as the loony left did in the 80s. All your talk about democracy seems to be just that, talk. When it comes down to it what you're really saying is that you've got the result you wanted in this second referendum so now all discussion and the democratic process must stop. And if the people to change their mind you're going to take it to the streets and stop them. If that's your idea of democracy you can keep it. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ..."With the exception of possibly independence votes in Scotland and Northern Ireland I doubt there will be another referendum on anything for a very long time. They seldom actually settle an issue, are extremely device and cause more problems. | |||
" Until the 50th referendum, when no one can be arsed to vote, and we can prepare for a Remain land of soured milk and shit. I as a Remain voter will grudgingly watch the developing slow motion trainwreck develop and I will watch what happens. If (big IF) David Davis turns out to be correct then I will be happy to stand corrected and at that time I would march on in to the bright new post Brexit future. I would do that because I would have been proven to be wrong. Let me ask you as a Leaver. Let's just say that you (and David Davis) are wrong and we are now at the very beginning of an economic catastrophe that if carried through could set the UK back 20, 30 years or more. How poor are you prepared for you and your country to become before you admit that you may have been wrong? So far without even triggering A50 we have seen interest rates cut to 0.25%, $60 billion worth of QE and the £GBP at its lowest level ever against the $USD. Coming very soon will be the inflation lag brought about by the falling pound. We have also heard quite openly from the leaders of other EU countries that the Brexit deal will reflect them protecting their own interests in the EU and that will not necessarily be of any benefit to the UK. This ultimately means that if/when Prime Minister may does invoke A50 we can all look forward to a further crashing of £GBP. There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that Brexit will be decided by what happens to the economy over the next couple of years and unfortunately Philip Hammond got some very bad news this morning which does not exactly help him (or us) moving forwards." regardless of what happens, for better, or worse, you simply get on with things, "that's life", you don't whinge, you just make the most of the situation. you whinge on that this could set the UK back 20 or 30 years, truth be told, I was much better off 20 years back, and even 30 years back when mortgage interest was 15% life was still bloody good Brexit is not the end of the world, and whether it is for better or worse, you get on with life, you don't go on and on for years about it, if you do; you will find family and friends distance themselves from you as no one likes a constant whinger | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is.
The democratic thing to do would be to accept the result of the referendum."No. The democratic thing to do is to keep making your case and that applies to both sides. Democracy and discussion does not stop just because one side won a vote. But I'm happy for leavers to think it does. The more time they spend trying to shut down any further discussion on the issue and constantly telling people that anyone who points out that there might be trouble ahead is simple part of project fear, the less time they're spending putting forward their fundamentally flawed economic argument. So my message to leave is this. Ignore this guy from the Telegraph, ignore all the expert opinion, ignore the worries of 1/3 or more of the electorate and just keep going as you are. The arrogance of victory is the first step to defeat. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories.
one good thing about the Lady "May"
she says there will be no going back, we will be withdrawing from EU as the majority of the UK wishes
she even put the EU in place by telling them she will be involved in all meetings and decisions up until article 50 is issued, the other 27 EU members may not have licked it, but it was a good ol British two fingers to them all
That's the way you see it, frankly they were laughing up their sleeves at her rather silly pronouncements; and she got a jolly good verbal spanking.
"It's amazing how some BREXITers on here seem to think that pissing of our European neighbours is more important than getting a good deal. I don't know if the "two fingers to you" mentality is common amongst all BREXITers but it clearly shows the paucity of this guys argument. | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories.
one good thing about the Lady "May"
she says there will be no going back, we will be withdrawing from EU as the majority of the UK wishes
she even put the EU in place by telling them she will be involved in all meetings and decisions up until article 50 is issued, the other 27 EU members may not have licked it, but it was a good ol British two fingers to them all
That's the way you see it, frankly they were laughing up their sleeves at her rather silly pronouncements; and she got a jolly good verbal spanking.
It's amazing how some BREXITers on here seem to think that pissing of our European neighbours is more important than getting a good deal. I don't know if the "two fingers to you" mentality is common amongst all BREXITers but it clearly shows the paucity of this guys argument."I recall Churchill giving a good example of the two fingers | |||
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"We voted to leave , let's get on with it and let other countries worry how to react ! We can look after ourselves ! " indeed, most of us can, although you do wonder with some of the "fab remainer" comments, they think its the end of the world, when in all reality, it is the new beginning | |||
"We had a referendum, this is not Greece, we won't have to do it again. If the original decision is overturned then it will be done by parliament. This country needs a revolution, otherwise we will never be free. We already had a revolution, it happened on June 23rd this year.
If they overturn OUR decision, then a revolution will be necessary. We cannot allow the state to overturn the result of a national referendum.
And what if there is another referendum and Remain win by 52 to 48%?
And what if there is another referendum after that referendum and ...
As long as there is a referndum result or an election result or a vote it parliament, it is to be resepected until there is a new result. That's what a democracy is. However everyone knew that the referendum was a once in a life time opportunity and at the time no one mentioned having another one.
As such it was crucial to put considerable thought into your note.
We have no option but to accept the result .
Everyone knew what they were voting for .
Yes we did but some Remainers have bad memories.
one good thing about the Lady "May"
she says there will be no going back, we will be withdrawing from EU as the majority of the UK wishes
she even put the EU in place by telling them she will be involved in all meetings and decisions up until article 50 is issued, the other 27 EU members may not have licked it, but it was a good ol British two fingers to them all
That's the way you see it, frankly they were laughing up their sleeves at her rather silly pronouncements; and she got a jolly good verbal spanking.
It's amazing how some BREXITers on here seem to think that pissing of our European neighbours is more important than getting a good deal. I don't know if the "two fingers to you" mentality is common amongst all BREXITers but it clearly shows the paucity of this guys argument.
I recall Churchill giving a good example of the two fingers"And yet he is one of the founding fathers of the whole European movement. "Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible." Churchill, October 1942 | |||
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"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946" just a shame it ended up a total can of worms which we are all lucky enough to have voted a way out off | |||
"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important. Churchill, Zurich, 1946" Like one small part of Belgium being able to scupper a trade deal supported by all other states? Clearly, it was not well and truly built. | |||
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"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946 just a shame it ended up a total can of worms which we are all lucky enough to have voted a way out off" Well that's your opinion clearly but don't try and claim Churchill as an inspiration for your cause because, if you actually read what he wrote, you'll find that he was extremely pro European and totally anti nationalist. If Europe and the EU is a 'total can of worms' he would not believed it was our 'solemn duty' not to turn our backs on it but to get stuck in there and sort it out. extracts from Churchill's "United States of Europe" Speech, Zurich on September 19, 1946. I wish to speak about the tragedy of Europe, this noble continent, the home of all the great parent races of the Western world, the foundation of Christian faith and ethics, the origin of most of the culture, arts, philosophy and science both of ancient and modern times. If Europe were once united in the sharing of its common inheritance there would be no limit to the happiness, prosperity and glory which its 300 million or 400 million people would enjoy. Yet it is from Europe that has sprung that series of frightful nationalistic quarrels... ...in their rise to power, which we have seen in this 20th century and in our own lifetime wreck the peace and mar the prospects of all mankind. Yet all the while there is a remedy which, if it were generally and spontaneously adopted by the great majority of people in many lands, would as by a miracle transform the whole scene and would in a few years make all Europe, or the greater part of it, as free and happy as Switzerland is today. What is this sovereign remedy? It is to recreate the European fabric, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, safety and freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living. The process is simple. All that is needed is the resolve of hundreds of millions of men and women to do right instead of wrong and to gain as their reward blessing instead of cursing. We cannot afford to drag forward across the years to come hatreds and revenges which have sprung from the injuries of the past. If Europe is to be saved from infinite misery, and indeed from final doom, there must be this act of faith in the European family.... End extracts I just wonder how much of what Churchill said and wrote you and other BREXITers have actually ever heard or read? | |||
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"Churchill is not an example to follow ! He was a war time leader ! We arnt at War !" I'm not saying we should blindly follow him. I, for one,am not in favour of a kind of United States of Europe. What I'm saying is that those who think they're being Churchillian by "sticking two fingers" up to our European neighbours clearly have no idea about who Churchill really was and what he stood for. But them their BREXITers so it's probably unrealistic to expect then to do a bit of research and actually know what their talking about. | |||
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"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946 just a shame it ended up a total can of worms which we are all lucky enough to have voted a way out off Well that's your opinion clearly but don't try and claim Churchill as an inspiration for your cause because, " "an inspiration for your cause"; I think you have me mixed up with someone who actually gives a fuck about leave/remain I personally have an inspiration for life, I make good of any good or bad situation and I prosper why not try living, enjoying life, enjoy friends and family, enjoy travel, try some, sky diving or better still the king of sports - surfing or alternatively, just keep on whinging your life away an inspiration for your cause, lol | |||
"Churchill is not an example to follow ! He was a war time leader ! We arnt at War !" Now as the first comment about Churchill was to say that we as a country should follow the example of Churchill and stick 2 fingers up to the EU, and the reply was to point out that Churchill was one of the original architects of the EU and to quote him in support of the EU, what is the point of your post? | |||
"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946 just a shame it ended up a total can of worms which we are all lucky enough to have voted a way out off Well that's your opinion clearly but don't try and claim Churchill as an inspiration for your cause because, "an inspiration for your cause"; I think you have me mixed up with someone who actually gives a fuck about leave/remain I personally have an inspiration for life, I make good of any good or bad situation and I prosper why not try living, enjoying life, enjoy friends and family, enjoy travel, try some, sky diving or better still the king of sports - surfing or alternatively, just keep on whinging your life away an inspiration for your cause, lol" When I need life style tips I'll let you know. In the meantime I'll carry on enjoying my life the way it is thanks. | |||
"Churchill is not an example to follow ! He was a war time leader ! We arnt at War ! I'm not saying we should blindly follow him. I, for one,am not in favour of a kind of United States of Europe. What I'm saying is that those who think they're being Churchillian by "sticking two fingers" up to our European neighbours clearly have no idea about who Churchill really was and what he stood for. But them their BREXITers so it's probably unrealistic to expect then to do a bit of research and actually know what their talking about." You are ignoring the irony of your post. The structure of the EU is the antithesis of that proposed by Mr Churchill. | |||
"The structure of the EU is the antithesis of that proposed by Mr Churchill." Where do you get that idea from? If you do just a little reading of the history rather than some politicians distortions of the history for their own political ends you will find that the 'European Coal and Steel Community' set up by the 'Treaty of Paris', followed by 'The Common Market' that was brought to life by the 'Treaty of Rome' were the first 2 steps in so integrating European economies and political establishment as to make another war in Europe impossible. If you think that Churchill did not understand that he and the others who laid the foundations of the EU, did not know what they were doing or intend the eventual creation of a Federal Europe you clearly have no idea how far sighted those men were. | |||
"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946" Two more Churchill quotes here for you..... "We have our own dream and our own Task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed." "If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea". | |||
"The structure of the EU is the antithesis of that proposed by Mr Churchill. Where do you get that idea from? If you do just a little reading of the history rather than some politicians distortions of the history for their own political ends you will find that the 'European Coal and Steel Community' set up by the 'Treaty of Paris', followed by 'The Common Market' that was brought to life by the 'Treaty of Rome' were the first 2 steps in so integrating European economies and political establishment as to make another war in Europe impossible. If you think that Churchill did not understand that he and the others who laid the foundations of the EU, did not know what they were doing or intend the eventual creation of a Federal Europe you clearly have no idea how far sighted those men were." Read the previous posts. | |||
"Churchill, Zurich, 1946 Two more Churchill quotes here for you..... "We have our own dream and our own Task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed." "If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea". " I know this, however you conveniently forget to mention that France used it's veto in 163 and 1967 to stop the UK becoming part of the EEC/EU because they believed that the UK would attempt to destroy the EEC/EU. De Gaul is being proven right. If you listen to what our euro-sceptics say and watch what they are doing it is clear that those who have agitated for the UK to leave the EU also want to see the total breakup of the EU and have been working for that end for decades. Now I would suggest that if Churchill was alive today he would be howling in disgust and despair at the shortsightedness of those refuse to acknowledge that the EU is good for the world and a return to European nation state model of the early 1900's is a recipe for our combined disaster. | |||
"Churchill, Zurich, 1946 Two more Churchill quotes here for you..... "We have our own dream and our own Task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed." "If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea". I know this, however you conveniently forget to mention that France used it's veto in 163 and 1967 to stop the UK becoming part of the EEC/EU because they believed that the UK would attempt to destroy the EEC/EU. De Gaul is being proven right. If you listen to what our euro-sceptics say and watch what they are doing it is clear that those who have agitated for the UK to leave the EU also want to see the total breakup of the EU and have been working for that end for decades. Now I would suggest that if Churchill was alive today he would be howling in disgust and despair at the shortsightedness of those refuse to acknowledge that the EU is good for the world and a return to European nation state model of the early 1900's is a recipe for our combined disaster. " Eurosceptics like one of your heroes Tony Benn? Tony Benn detested the EU and it's anti democratic model. He said it would never work because of the way it is structured it encourages resistance and opposition to it. He is being proved right. Also rather than encourage peace and tranquillity between the nation's of Europe, the EU is causing more problems than it is solving and is leading to far right and far left parties gaining more support across Europe. The EU is achieving exactly the opposite of what it set out to do. The EU is a monumental fuck up of epic proportions. The world (and Europe) has moved on a fair bit since WW2, the EU is stuck in the past and outdated. It is not fit for purpose in the modern world. A Europe of peaceful and sovereign independent nation states would work much better in the modern world in my opinion. | |||
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"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946 Two more Churchill quotes here for you..... "We have our own dream and our own Task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed." "If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea". " Churchill shouted this remark to the French leader, General Charles de Gaulle, in a raging row on the eve of the Normandy landings in 1944. Churchill had a ‘roller coaster’ relationship with de Gaulle and wanted to show loyalty to the US President, Franklin Roosevelt. Churchill angrily added, ‘Every time I have to decide between you and Roosevelt, I will always choose Roosevelt.’ Later, they made up over dinner and fine wine. Also see, ‘D-Day: The Battle for Normandy’ by Antony Beevor. | |||
"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946 Two more Churchill quotes here for you..... "We have our own dream and our own Task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed." "If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea". Churchill shouted this remark to the French leader, General Charles de Gaulle, in a raging row on the eve of the Normandy landings in 1944. Churchill had a ‘roller coaster’ relationship with de Gaulle and wanted to show loyalty to the US President, Franklin Roosevelt. Churchill angrily added, ‘Every time I have to decide between you and Roosevelt, I will always choose Roosevelt.’ Later, they made up over dinner and fine wine. Also see, ‘D-Day: The Battle for Normandy’ by Antony Beevor." Those two quotes are often used by Europhobes, and let's be clear, they are two quotes. The "Open sea" one made, as you say, on the eve of the D-day landing to De Gaulle. The "we are with Europe but not part of it" quote is from a letter written by Churchill to an American news paper in 1930. It may well of represented his feelings at the time but what is clear from his speeches, actions and writings from 1940 (declaration of union between Britain and France) onwards is his anti-nationalist, pro European and pan Global sentiments. In fact I'd go so far as to say Churchill's stance on European Union makes even me seem extremely Eurosceptic by comparison. | |||
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"We must build a United Europe.. The structure of the Union, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.’ Churchill, Zurich, 1946 just a shame it ended up a total can of worms which we are all lucky enough to have voted a way out off Well that's your opinion clearly but don't try and claim Churchill as an inspiration for your cause because, "an inspiration for your cause"; I think you have me mixed up with someone who actually gives a fuck about leave/remain I personally have an inspiration for life, I make good of any good or bad situation and I prosper why not try living, enjoying life, enjoy friends and family, enjoy travel, try some, sky diving or better still the king of sports - surfing or alternatively, just keep on whinging your life away an inspiration for your cause, lol When I need life style tips I'll let you know. In the meantime I'll carry on enjoying my life the way it is thanks." you sure it is a life | |||
