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over a year ago
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed "
Tricky one. I guess in the end it is down to Nat West.
Ofcom did rule against RT ... I guess with freedom comes responsibility. |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
Tricky one. I guess in the end it is down to Nat West.
Ofcom did rule against RT ... I guess with freedom comes responsibility. "
all for private company but Natwest is RBS which we all own, well 70% ish of it
looks like war is about to start and BBC going be trusted to keep us so informed lol |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
Tricky one. I guess in the end it is down to Nat West.
Ofcom did rule against RT ... I guess with freedom comes responsibility.
all for private company but Natwest is RBS which we all own, well 70% ish of it
looks like war is about to start and BBC going be trusted to keep us so informed lol"
I wouldn't trust the BBC (biased broadcasting corporation) to change a light bulb never mind anything else. |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
Tricky one. I guess in the end it is down to Nat West.
Ofcom did rule against RT ... I guess with freedom comes responsibility.
all for private company but Natwest is RBS which we all own, well 70% ish of it
looks like war is about to start and BBC going be trusted to keep us so informed lol"
I haven't got any reason to criticise Ofcom so I have no reason to criticise Nat West for their decision. RT can try to bank with whoever they choose. |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
Tricky one. I guess in the end it is down to Nat West.
Ofcom did rule against RT ... I guess with freedom comes responsibility.
all for private company but Natwest is RBS which we all own, well 70% ish of it
looks like war is about to start and BBC going be trusted to keep us so informed lol
I haven't got any reason to criticise Ofcom so I have no reason to criticise Nat West for their decision. RT can try to bank with whoever they choose."
i have, the chemical attack bbc faked is true, RT just reported it after it became huge news in the rest of the alternative media world. and that got them the ruling of ofcom, same ofcom boss now at BBC.
shame ofcom not look into things a little better, that's free speech after all they ruled on. something millions was talking about around the world because its backed by film |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
Tricky one. I guess in the end it is down to Nat West.
Ofcom did rule against RT ... I guess with freedom comes responsibility.
all for private company but Natwest is RBS which we all own, well 70% ish of it
looks like war is about to start and BBC going be trusted to keep us so informed lol
I haven't got any reason to criticise Ofcom so I have no reason to criticise Nat West for their decision. RT can try to bank with whoever they choose.
i have, the chemical attack bbc faked is true, RT just reported it after it became huge news in the rest of the alternative media world. and that got them the ruling of ofcom, same ofcom boss now at BBC.
shame ofcom not look into things a little better, that's free speech after all they ruled on. something millions was talking about around the world because its backed by film "
Well, you may or may not be right to challenge Ofcom's decision. I don't know the evidence that was presented.
In any event, it is not an infringement of RT's freedom of speech. It affects their ability to hold a bank account with Nat West. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed "
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We, the ordinary people, (working class) have never really had free speech in the UK. That is why it was such a shock when we rightfully voted out of the EU.
Had people felt secure enough to say what they really felt when the opinion polls were asking them, the media would have been aware of what the outcome would be.
The bullying of the state was not enough to stop the people of this country from voting leave in an anonymous ballot.
Now ffs let us get on with it, some of us haven't got 2 + years to wait! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial......."
RT gives some bloody good news reporting, a nice change from BBC shit reporting on come dancing and what ever other crap
BBC should be un-biased, but they like to express their own views using news and radio |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial......."
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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There is only freedom of speech if its what the powers that be want you to say. Real freedom of speech no longer exists.yea rt do spout some rubbish but they also report on stuff that the bbc and sky dont give the time of day to.funny that clintons e mails get leaked yet you hear hardly anything about it.yet somethin trump said 10 yrs ago gets released and every one pisses there pants about it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial......."
Pussy Riot, anyone? |
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"There is only freedom of speech if its what the powers that be want you to say. Real freedom of speech no longer exists.yea rt do spout some rubbish but they also report on stuff that the bbc and sky dont give the time of day to.funny that clintons e mails get leaked yet you hear hardly anything about it.yet somethin trump said 10 yrs ago gets released and every one pisses there pants about it"
Except the "thing Trump said" was advocating sexual assault; and was kept under wraps; until discovered;
Whereas Hillary's emails have been the subject of several official investigations, over quite sometime, and it's well known.
BTW I think Hillary is dreadful; but the alternative is just beyond anything.... |
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"I've just logged onto the BBC news site and searched 'Clinton emails'. There's a huge number of articles coming up."
She is no angel, that is for sure.
Weird, isn't it? The USA has to choose between crooked Hilary and misogynistic Trump.
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"I've just logged onto the BBC news site and searched 'Clinton emails'. There's a huge number of articles coming up.
She is no angel, that is for sure.
Weird, isn't it? The USA has to choose between crooked Hilary and misogynistic Trump.
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either way misogynistic guy heading to the white house
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By (user no longer on site)
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People say things like "There's no such thing as freedom of speech" when what they actually mean is "nobody wants to listen to me".
If the BBC is propaganda, at least it's good old - fashioned British propaganda  It's weird how so many Alt-righters idolise Putin and his quasi-fascist state. ....hmmmm actually I think I just got why they do |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial.......
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
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the only thing that is rich is that a company that is state funded by russia is complaining about freedom of speech when russia itself doesn't look on freedom of speech kindly.... and routinely locks up journalist and political critics alike........
their MH-17 coverage was a blast (no pun intended) |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"There is only freedom of speech if its what the powers that be want you to say. Real freedom of speech no longer exists.yea rt do spout some rubbish but they also report on stuff that the bbc and sky dont give the time of day to.funny that clintons e mails get leaked yet you hear hardly anything about it.yet somethin trump said 10 yrs ago gets released and every one pisses there pants about it"
okay.... and then i'll ask you the same thing....
and then at least 11 women come out to say what he said on the tape was true.... as opposed to him trying to walk it all about and trying to claim he said it "for shits and giggles".....
besides..... if you want a comparison to some that came out a lot of years later..... lets give you a different example... jimmy saville!!!
so are his accuser/victims any less credible because to found the bravery to come out and speak about it years/decades after it happened? |
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"There is only freedom of speech if its what the powers that be want you to say. Real freedom of speech no longer exists.yea rt do spout some rubbish but they also report on stuff that the bbc and sky dont give the time of day to.funny that clintons e mails get leaked yet you hear hardly anything about it.yet somethin trump said 10 yrs ago gets released and every one pisses there pants about it
okay.... and then i'll ask you the same thing....
and then at least 11 women come out to say what he said on the tape was true.... as opposed to him trying to walk it all about and trying to claim he said it "for shits and giggles".....
besides..... if you want a comparison to some that came out a lot of years later..... lets give you a different example... jimmy saville!!!
so are his accuser/victims any less credible because to found the bravery to come out and speak about it years/decades after it happened?"
Trump is all wind and water, while the Clintons are potentially very dangerous, to democracy in Hilary's case and to women in Bills case. |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial.......
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
the only thing that is rich is that a company that is state funded by russia is complaining about freedom of speech when russia itself doesn't look on freedom of speech kindly.... and routinely locks up journalist and political critics alike........
their MH-17 coverage was a blast (no pun intended)"
Glad MH-17 all settled. i always have complete trust in the west and its reports, esp when no reason to twist any truth
so if you from Russia and set up a company in UK you not have same rights as rest of us you saying
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial.......
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
the only thing that is rich is that a company that is state funded by russia is complaining about freedom of speech when russia itself doesn't look on freedom of speech kindly.... and routinely locks up journalist and political critics alike........
their MH-17 coverage was a blast (no pun intended)
Glad MH-17 all settled. i always have complete trust in the west and its reports, esp when no reason to twist any truth
so if you from Russia and set up a company in UK you not have same rights as rest of us you saying
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I've asked this question before of someone (on another site) and never had an answer....but what countries are 'The West'? Is Japan the West? Brazil? India? How is the West defined? |
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial.......
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
the only thing that is rich is that a company that is state funded by russia is complaining about freedom of speech when russia itself doesn't look on freedom of speech kindly.... and routinely locks up journalist and political critics alike........
their MH-17 coverage was a blast (no pun intended)
Glad MH-17 all settled. i always have complete trust in the west and its reports, esp when no reason to twist any truth
so if you from Russia and set up a company in UK you not have same rights as rest of us you saying
I've asked this question before of someone (on another site) and never had an answer....but what countries are 'The West'? Is Japan the West? Brazil? India? How is the West defined?"
good question, 1 sure get many answers for
going to go google and have look, but of hand i always thought the west is west Europe to northern Ameriaca and the western world is above and places like japan and oz south korea etc, would not say India or Brazil are part of the west |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial.......
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
the only thing that is rich is that a company that is state funded by russia is complaining about freedom of speech when russia itself doesn't look on freedom of speech kindly.... and routinely locks up journalist and political critics alike........
their MH-17 coverage was a blast (no pun intended)
Glad MH-17 all settled. i always have complete trust in the west and its reports, esp when no reason to twist any truth
so if you from Russia and set up a company in UK you not have same rights as rest of us you saying
I've asked this question before of someone (on another site) and never had an answer....but what countries are 'The West'? Is Japan the West? Brazil? India? How is the West defined?
good question, 1 sure get many answers for
going to go google and have look, but of hand i always thought the west is west Europe to northern Ameriaca and the western world is above and places like japan and oz south korea etc, would not say India or Brazil are part of the west"
So if places like India, Brazil etc who aren't part of 'The West' had views on certain subjects that were the same as 'The West' and different from Russia then you'd agree they weren't driven by some 'Western' conspiracy and the issue may be Russia? |
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"How did RT cover the Russian doping scandal? Syrian civilian deaths from Russian planes? The Russian invasion of Georgia or the Crimea? The assassination of Litvinyenko?"
not RT fan, so no interest in defending them. question was about free speech, not propaganda that would need its own board never mind thread
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"is it under attack with RT having its bank account closed
i am sorry you just made spit of some perfectly good non alcoholic beer there...
did you really just try to use the term "freedom of speech" and "russia today" together....
at least pravda never claimed to be impartial.......
you lost me sorry, was asking if its an attack on free speech, not if people think they are biased or impartial, have confidence people are well aware of that already. be it CNN,BBC which ever are promoting something that make somebody rich down the line
the only thing that is rich is that a company that is state funded by russia is complaining about freedom of speech when russia itself doesn't look on freedom of speech kindly.... and routinely locks up journalist and political critics alike........
their MH-17 coverage was a blast (no pun intended)
Glad MH-17 all settled. i always have complete trust in the west and its reports, esp when no reason to twist any truth
so if you from Russia and set up a company in UK you not have same rights as rest of us you saying
I've asked this question before of someone (on another site) and never had an answer....but what countries are 'The West'? Is Japan the West? Brazil? India? How is the West defined?
good question, 1 sure get many answers for
going to go google and have look, but of hand i always thought the west is west Europe to northern Ameriaca and the western world is above and places like japan and oz south korea etc, would not say India or Brazil are part of the west
So if places like India, Brazil etc who aren't part of 'The West' had views on certain subjects that were the same as 'The West' and different from Russia then you'd agree they weren't driven by some 'Western' conspiracy and the issue may be Russia?"
im very sure India and Brazil agree with the west on some things and Russia with others, but thats nothing to do with a news outlet being in effect taken of air |
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Free speech is a myth, and it's so blatant, yet the brainwashed masses will not believe it.
I could sit here and type on my phone about this for hours, but I won't because I get bored easily.
There is a reason why we are not free to say anything deemed not to be politically correct by the "thought crime" police.
This might be a little cryptic for some, if so sorry but it is all you are getting from me.
If you want to know who controls you, then ask yourself this question. Who is it that absolutely nobody is allowed to criticise? |
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"Free speech is a myth, and it's so blatant, yet the brainwashed masses will not believe it.
I could sit here and type on my phone about this for hours, but I won't because I get bored easily.
There is a reason why we are not free to say anything deemed not to be politically correct by the "thought crime" police.
This might be a little cryptic for some, if so sorry but it is all you are getting from me.
If you want to know who controls you, then ask yourself this question. Who is it that absolutely nobody is allowed to criticise?"
I genuinely can't think of anybody? I criticise who I want and when I want. I do so on various social media platforms and political events. People argue with me, think that I'm wrong and ocassionally tell me to shut up, but it doesn't mean I do.
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"Free speech is a myth, and it's so blatant, yet the brainwashed masses will not believe it.
I could sit here and type on my phone about this for hours, but I won't because I get bored easily.
There is a reason why we are not free to say anything deemed not to be politically correct by the "thought crime" police.
This might be a little cryptic for some, if so sorry but it is all you are getting from me.
If you want to know who controls you, then ask yourself this question. Who is it that absolutely nobody is allowed to criticise?"
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I take it your taking about the Jewish state and Judaism?.
I agree to an extent that Israel does use very good public relations tactics to shut down conversation on their "bad" behaviour.... However I critique the state of Israel quite a bit on here and elsewhere, a few people have come out with the usual anti Semitic bollocks, however that's because there stupid and don't understand the debate, there's many people from us state department officials to professors to bloggers who criticise Israel's actions quite justifiably, these sometimes get thrown in with the others who really use criticism as a back door to their real objectives of just being anti Semitic..... The state of Israel does that very well! |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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The problem I'm seeing today is that just about every criticism of the State of Israel is labelled as anti-semitic, they have managed to build a bubble of self protection around themselves that rules out all criticism as it's deemed outrageous to do so.
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"There is only freedom of speech if its what the powers that be want you to say. Real freedom of speech no longer exists.yea rt do spout some rubbish but they also report on stuff that the bbc and sky dont give the time of day to.funny that clintons e mails get leaked yet you hear hardly anything about it.yet somethin trump said 10 yrs ago gets released and every one pisses there pants about it
okay.... and then i'll ask you the same thing....
and then at least 11 women come out to say what he said on the tape was true.... as opposed to him trying to walk it all about and trying to claim he said it "for shits and giggles".....
besides..... if you want a comparison to some that came out a lot of years later..... lets give you a different example... jimmy saville!!!
so are his accuser/victims any less credible because to found the bravery to come out and speak about it years/decades after it happened?"
_abio I use to agree with a lot of your posts but recently have lost all credibility.
You are the CNN of fabswingers.
every post regarding the election you bash trump and never hillary.
these allegations about trump lots of people have come out and said they was there and its untrue yet all these things coming out about hillary are FACTS not allegations as most of it is coming straight from her own emails.
what hillary has done is far worse and yet no main stream media is even giving it any attention.
its all trump this trump that and its sickening to watch.
even cnn said "
CNN host Chris Cuomo dropped the veil of fair and impartial journalism at his network, admitting that “we (CNN) could not help her (Hillary Clinton) any more than we have… she’s got just a free ride so far with the media.”
“We’re the biggest ones promoting her campaign,” he added
as for russia today, they do report on some nonsense stuff but also report on things that american media and bbc and sky do not.
so dont mock them when they are a better source for news than most other media.
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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The problem with RT isn't printing 'nonsense stuff', it's printing outright Russian propaganda and lies.
Like their coverage of Ukraine, their coverage of Alleppo, their coverage of Olympic drug testing.... |
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"The problem with RT isn't printing 'nonsense stuff', it's printing outright Russian propaganda and lies.
Like their coverage of Ukraine, their coverage of Alleppo, their coverage of Olympic drug testing...."
And whats to say our media isn't the ones telling lies and propergander to make the public more acceptable to more military over in Syria or war with Russia which is what NATO,the US seem to want.
Why trust one media over the other? |
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"The problem with RT isn't printing 'nonsense stuff', it's printing outright Russian propaganda and lies.
Like their coverage of Ukraine, their coverage of Alleppo, their coverage of Olympic drug testing...."
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I find it fine but then I watch both sides of the propaganda platform.
The guy above said the media have given Hillary a free ride? Well yeah of course they have, her campaign has spent hundreds of millions with the tv companies... Who do you think there going to back?... Again who pays for RT the Russian state.. who do you think there going to back?.
Watch both sides make your own conclusions.
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"The problem I'm seeing today is that just about every criticism of the State of Israel is labelled as anti-semitic, they have managed to build a bubble of self protection around themselves that rules out all criticism as it's deemed outrageous to do so.
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I simply don't agree with this point of view. Israel has a free press and parliamentary democracy. Criticism of the State is general. Politics is divided in similar ways to all democratic systems and The Prime Minister is loved and loathed in equal degrees. There are huge splits between religious and secular communities and the so called settlers are viewed with contempt by many Israelis. The Palestinians are pretty adept media spinners too, and have managed to cement a narrative that even the most liberal of people should raise an eyebrow at.
Is there an extra level of self - protectionism and is anti-semitism sometimes bundled up and used to attempt to silence critics - sure - but the worrying growth of groups and individuals calling themselves "anti-zionists" as a cloak is concerning. It's like hating the Tory government so much that your only solution is to wipe Britain off the earth.
Israel's policies are far from perfect and should be rightly condemned but try living in a tiny country surrounded by hostile nations determined to "wipe you off the face of the earth", and with a population of which many have the same desire.
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American politics is a multi billion dollar industry, all those unbiased TV companies are fighting for those billions.... That's called having an interest in who pays your wages |
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"The problem I'm seeing today is that just about every criticism of the State of Israel is labelled as anti-semitic, they have managed to build a bubble of self protection around themselves that rules out all criticism as it's deemed outrageous to do so.
I simply don't agree with this point of view. Israel has a free press and parliamentary democracy. Criticism of the State is general. Politics is divided in similar ways to all democratic systems and The Prime Minister is loved and loathed in equal degrees. There are huge splits between religious and secular communities and the so called settlers are viewed with contempt by many Israelis. The Palestinians are pretty adept media spinners too, and have managed to cement a narrative that even the most liberal of people should raise an eyebrow at.
Is there an extra level of self - protectionism and is anti-semitism sometimes bundled up and used to attempt to silence critics - sure - but the worrying growth of groups and individuals calling themselves "anti-zionists" as a cloak is concerning. It's like hating the Tory government so much that your only solution is to wipe Britain off the earth.
Israel's policies are far from perfect and should be rightly condemned but try living in a tiny country surrounded by hostile nations determined to "wipe you off the face of the earth", and with a population of which many have the same desire.
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What's wrong with being against Zionism?.
I'll give you a clue on how the media work on a subliminal level.
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Watch the news carefully... When Israelis die they've been "murdered"
When Palestinians die they've been "killed".
Those words undermine how we see the deaths, one is unjustified, one has reasonable doubt.
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If Zionism is expanding your territory onwards and outwards for the enrichment of your religion while pushing another's into the dirt then I'm anti Zionist.... And I hate all religions full stop |
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"The problem I'm seeing today is that just about every criticism of the State of Israel is labelled as anti-semitic, they have managed to build a bubble of self protection around themselves that rules out all criticism as it's deemed outrageous to do so.
I simply don't agree with this point of view. Israel has a free press and parliamentary democracy. Criticism of the State is general. Politics is divided in similar ways to all democratic systems and The Prime Minister is loved and loathed in equal degrees. There are huge splits between religious and secular communities and the so called settlers are viewed with contempt by many Israelis. The Palestinians are pretty adept media spinners too, and have managed to cement a narrative that even the most liberal of people should raise an eyebrow at.
Is there an extra level of self - protectionism and is anti-semitism sometimes bundled up and used to attempt to silence critics - sure - but the worrying growth of groups and individuals calling themselves "anti-zionists" as a cloak is concerning. It's like hating the Tory government so much that your only solution is to wipe Britain off the earth.
Israel's policies are far from perfect and should be rightly condemned but try living in a tiny country surrounded by hostile nations determined to "wipe you off the face of the earth", and with a population of which many have the same desire.
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What's wrong with being against Zionism?.
I'll give you a clue on how the media work on a subliminal level.
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Watch the news carefully... When Israelis die they've been "murdered"
When Palestinians die they've been "killed".
Those words undermine how we see the deaths, one is unjustified, one has reasonable doubt.
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If Zionism is expanding your territory onwards and outwards for the enrichment of your religion while pushing another's into the dirt then I'm anti Zionist.... And I hate all religions full stop"
I get all that Doorsy, and I am absolutely against expansionism and have no religious association. The definition of the word "zionism" is fluid unfortunately - most Israelis I have met (and they would tend to be liberal secularists) would simply see it as the creation and continuance of a Jewish state. They feel that status to be continuously under threat (from both sides). Israel may be a paranoid state which acts at times as such, but it's a paranoia based on irrefutable fact. We must remember the current regime is a particularly foolish right - wing zealotry one but Israeli governments have attempted in vain to create peaceful solutions in the past. I completely understand why the starting point cam only be "Israel exists". |
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"The problem I'm seeing today is that just about every criticism of the State of Israel is labelled as anti-semitic, they have managed to build a bubble of self protection around themselves that rules out all criticism as it's deemed outrageous to do so.
I simply don't agree with this point of view. Israel has a free press and parliamentary democracy. Criticism of the State is general. Politics is divided in similar ways to all democratic systems and The Prime Minister is loved and loathed in equal degrees. There are huge splits between religious and secular communities and the so called settlers are viewed with contempt by many Israelis. The Palestinians are pretty adept media spinners too, and have managed to cement a narrative that even the most liberal of people should raise an eyebrow at.
Is there an extra level of self - protectionism and is anti-semitism sometimes bundled up and used to attempt to silence critics - sure - but the worrying growth of groups and individuals calling themselves "anti-zionists" as a cloak is concerning. It's like hating the Tory government so much that your only solution is to wipe Britain off the earth.
Israel's policies are far from perfect and should be rightly condemned but try living in a tiny country surrounded by hostile nations determined to "wipe you off the face of the earth", and with a population of which many have the same desire.
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What's wrong with being against Zionism?.
I'll give you a clue on how the media work on a subliminal level.
.
Watch the news carefully... When Israelis die they've been "murdered"
When Palestinians die they've been "killed".
Those words undermine how we see the deaths, one is unjustified, one has reasonable doubt.
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If Zionism is expanding your territory onwards and outwards for the enrichment of your religion while pushing another's into the dirt then I'm anti Zionist.... And I hate all religions full stop
I get all that Doorsy, and I am absolutely against expansionism and have no religious association. The definition of the word "zionism" is fluid unfortunately - most Israelis I have met (and they would tend to be liberal secularists) would simply see it as the creation and continuance of a Jewish state. They feel that status to be continuously under threat (from both sides). Israel may be a paranoid state which acts at times as such, but it's a paranoia based on irrefutable fact. We must remember the current regime is a particularly foolish right - wing zealotry one but Israeli governments have attempted in vain to create peaceful solutions in the past. I completely understand why the starting point cam only be "Israel exists"."
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Oh I'm with you on 98% of what you say, I've sat on here many times and defended Israel on Muslim fanatics and been called islamaphobic for it.... And that's what I hate, the shut you up bunch who jump for the ism and the phobia....I hate this modern fear of not being able to say something because what I might say will be misconstrued by idiots who will jump on the bandwagon and use it for they're own agenda of bigotry!.
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But like I said to the guy at the beginning the myth of criticism of Israel is just that a myth, even Israeli generals criticise Israeli actions on Palestine and the west bank.
The real problem lies in the people who hold on to beliefs that one side only is the problem, you can see this today in peoples beliefs in what's happening in Syria, one side good, one side bad.
The truth unfortunately is something in the middle
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"There is only freedom of speech if its what the powers that be want you to say. Real freedom of speech no longer exists.yea rt do spout some rubbish but they also report on stuff that the bbc and sky dont give the time of day to.funny that clintons e mails get leaked yet you hear hardly anything about it.yet somethin trump said 10 yrs ago gets released and every one pisses there pants about it
okay.... and then i'll ask you the same thing....
and then at least 11 women come out to say what he said on the tape was true.... as opposed to him trying to walk it all about and trying to claim he said it "for shits and giggles".....
besides..... if you want a comparison to some that came out a lot of years later..... lets give you a different example... jimmy saville!!!
so are his accuser/victims any less credible because to found the bravery to come out and speak about it years/decades after it happened?
_abio I use to agree with a lot of your posts but recently have lost all credibility.
You are the CNN of fabswingers.
every post regarding the election you bash trump and never hillary.
these allegations about trump lots of people have come out and said they was there and its untrue yet all these things coming out about hillary are FACTS not allegations as most of it is coming straight from her own emails.
what hillary has done is far worse and yet no main stream media is even giving it any attention.
its all trump this trump that and its sickening to watch.
even cnn said "
CNN host Chris Cuomo dropped the veil of fair and impartial journalism at his network, admitting that “we (CNN) could not help her (Hillary Clinton) any more than we have… she’s got just a free ride so far with the media.”
“We’re the biggest ones promoting her campaign,” he added
as for russia today, they do report on some nonsense stuff but also report on things that american media and bbc and sky do not.
so dont mock them when they are a better source for news than most other media.
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trust me i have bashed hillary... aand bashed her a lot... I didn't vote for her in the democratic primary I voted for bernie sanders!!!... and you would have seen that if you were around during the primaries....
the real problem is if trump wouldn't keep sticking his foot in his mouth.... he wouldn't end up with half the attention he does....
the problem with trump is that he doubles down on everything.... so rather than something being a one day story.... it becomes a one week story....
cases in point... the arguement with the indiana judge of mexican heritage..... he was the one that keep that in the spotlight by going after him
the arguement with the Khan family.... he was the one that kept that in the spotlight by going after them
miss universe.... that would have gone away sooner if he hadn't said anything...
the plaguism by melania trump.... 1 day story if they had just admitted it and said "oops, my bad"..... 1 week story because they kept denying and denying it!!!
federal taxes..... story goes away quicker if he says yes.... but deny deny deny deny till debate 2.....
and now this...... story goes away quicker if he hadn't opened his gob and said he had never treated any woman like he said in the tape.... because that was just asking papers to dig.... and women to come forward!!!!
trump is his own worst enemy..... between the tweets and the statements at rally's.... i am surprised he isn't shitting sneekers!!!
obama founded isis... really?
mccain isn't a war hero.... c'mon!
i hate ryan and and republican who doesn't support me.... waaaaaaah!!!
trump is the last person who can have the audacity to talk about free publicity because how much more publicity did it get over his rivals during the republican primaries....
I have always said that if the republican base had chosen a sensible moderate republican as their candidate they would be leading hillary by 10-15 points, it was their election to win! they dropped the ball!!
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