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over a year ago
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Of course he looked at what gave him the best chance of being PM....stuff the country and the economy....What was best for Boris was all he was thinking  |
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"Of course he looked at what gave him the best chance of being PM....stuff the country and the economy....What was best for Boris was all he was thinking "
Hard to disagree ?
I think History will treat Farrage better ! |
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"Of course he looked at what gave him the best chance of being PM....stuff the country and the economy....What was best for Boris was all he was thinking
Hard to disagree ?
I think History will treat Farrage better !"
I wonder how history will treat the liberal elite europhiles from across the party political spectrum and the ruling establishment, who between them couldn't present a single persuasive argument to the electorate to get a remain vote? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hmmm....for his own benefit ? "
Its old news. He was always reported as coming out on the leave side last minute.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. It's also well known that he had hopes of being PM one day x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hmmm....for his own benefit ?
Its old news. He was always reported as coming out on the leave side last minute.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. It's also well known that he had hopes of being PM one day x"
Not according to Sky news he wasnt  |
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"Hmmm....for his own benefit ?
Its old news. He was always reported as coming out on the leave side last minute.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. It's also well known that he had hopes of being PM one day x
Not according to Sky news he wasnt "
Oh well if Sky news says so...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hmmm....for his own benefit ?
Its old news. He was always reported as coming out on the leave side last minute.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. It's also well known that he had hopes of being PM one day x
Not according to Sky news he wasnt
Oh well if Sky news says so... "
it is old news  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hmmm....for his own benefit ?
Its old news. He was always reported as coming out on the leave side last minute.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. It's also well known that he had hopes of being PM one day x
Not according to Sky news he wasnt
Oh well if Sky news says so...
it is old news "
Nice to have confirmation |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Of course he looked at what gave him the best chance of being PM....stuff the country and the economy....What was best for Boris was all he was thinking
Hard to disagree ?
I think History will treat Farrage better !"
I'm no fan of Farage but have more respect for him than Boris as Farage stuck to his guns throughout, I don't agree with his principles but at least he never veered away from them.
Boris on the other hand smelt the title of PM, and it proved too much for him to resist. |
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So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary. "
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country."
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice.... |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So how have we determined that Boris is popular with a large part of the electorate?, maybe it could be said he's less popular with an even larger part....we have no way of knowing do we?"
Well some people like him, but some people like brown sauce, or pineapple on a pizza, so there is no accounting for taste. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice...."
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice...."
Or.....he was encouraged to change his stance on the EU by the 1922 committee who wanted him to challenge Cameron should he lose the referendum, Cameron wasn't exactly popular with the EU sceptics in the 1922 committee |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad. "
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Boris wrote three articles.
The first draft was to explore remaining in the EU. If you bother to read it, you can tell that on the whole he was not able to convince himself.
The second was to explore leaving. He was more convinced but still foresaw potential problems.
The third and final published article was a combination, coming down in favour of leaving.
That seems to me to be a very balanced approach. To turn it into, "Boris really wanted to remain but decided to campaign to leave so that he could become PM" is rather suspect.
He might well have had ambitions to become PM but his thought process did not affect his attitude towards the EU.
P.S. I like the eejit for his entertainment value but do not support his politics. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes....."
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes.....
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with."
And there was a democratic referendum on the UK's membership of the EU... which resulted in the majority voting for Brexit.
But on to Erdogan, and let's look at vote comparisons with Brexit -
Erdogan got 51.7% of the votes in the 2014 Turkish Election - but just 39% of the electorate voted for him.
Comparable, maybe, with the EU referendum? You know, the one that you and other Remainers say is not right because of the percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes.....
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with.
And there was a democratic referendum on the UK's membership of the EU... which resulted in the majority voting for Brexit.
But on to Erdogan, and let's look at vote comparisons with Brexit -
Erdogan got 51.7% of the votes in the 2014 Turkish Election - but just 39% of the electorate voted for him.
Comparable, maybe, with the EU referendum? You know, the one that you and other Remainers say is not right because of the percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit?"
I don't really understand what point you are trying to make. |
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes.....
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with.
And there was a democratic referendum on the UK's membership of the EU... which resulted in the majority voting for Brexit.
But on to Erdogan, and let's look at vote comparisons with Brexit -
Erdogan got 51.7% of the votes in the 2014 Turkish Election - but just 39% of the electorate voted for him.
Comparable, maybe, with the EU referendum? You know, the one that you and other Remainers say is not right because of the percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit?
I don't really understand what point you are trying to make. "
It's a very simple point, you say Erdogan was democratically elected (therefore we should accept the result) and we as a country need to work with him.
Britain voted democratically to leave the EU (therefore we (including you) should accept the result) and we need to work together as a country to make a success of it.
Erdogan was elected on 52% which you seem to accept as legitimate.
Leave won the EU referendum on 52% which you don't seem able to accept as legitimate. |
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes.....
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with.
And there was a democratic referendum on the UK's membership of the EU... which resulted in the majority voting for Brexit.
But on to Erdogan, and let's look at vote comparisons with Brexit -
Erdogan got 51.7% of the votes in the 2014 Turkish Election - but just 39% of the electorate voted for him.
Comparable, maybe, with the EU referendum? You know, the one that you and other Remainers say is not right because of the percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit?
I don't really understand what point you are trying to make.
It's a very simple point, you say Erdogan was democratically elected (therefore we should accept the result) and we as a country need to work with him.
Britain voted democratically to leave the EU (therefore we (including you) should accept the result) and we need to work together as a country to make a success of it.
Erdogan was elected on 52% which you seem to accept as legitimate.
Leave won the EU referendum on 52% which you don't seem able to accept as legitimate. "
Double standards springs to mind.  |
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes.....
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with.
And there was a democratic referendum on the UK's membership of the EU... which resulted in the majority voting for Brexit.
But on to Erdogan, and let's look at vote comparisons with Brexit -
Erdogan got 51.7% of the votes in the 2014 Turkish Election - but just 39% of the electorate voted for him.
Comparable, maybe, with the EU referendum? You know, the one that you and other Remainers say is not right because of the percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit?
I don't really understand what point you are trying to make.
It's a very simple point, you say Erdogan was democratically elected (therefore we should accept the result) and we as a country need to work with him.
Britain voted democratically to leave the EU (therefore we (including you) should accept the result) and we need to work together as a country to make a success of it.
Erdogan was elected on 52% which you seem to accept as legitimate.
Leave won the EU referendum on 52% which you don't seem able to accept as legitimate. "
I don't think it follows that just because you get a majority that everyone has to go along with it. In fact I think that would be profoundly undemocratic.
Whilst I accept that leave won the vote and therefore there is a mandate from the people to leave the EU I still believe and think it's a bad idea just as much today as I did on 23 June. I'm also pretty sure that had the vote gone the other way you and other BREXITers wouldn't suddenly have changed your mind and become ardent pro Europeans.
Whilst I could argue that the whole referendum process was not legitimately or truly democratic I'd still be left with the result. I could also argue that legally it was non binding, I'd still be left with the result. So I have no choice but to accept the result and accept it i do but I'll still argue that it's a bad decision and continue to put forward the case to remain and/or reduce the real consequences of actually leaving. You'd be doing the same for your point of view if the result had gone the other way; wouldn't you? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So Boris wrote two newspaper articles, one for Remain and one for Leave. A bit like writing a list of pros and cons on both sides. Then having looked at the 2 options he decided Leave was the better option.
He made the right choice, and I'm glad he chose Leave, his support was said to be worth 2 or 3 percentage points to the leave campaign. This helped tip the balance in favour of an overall leave vote. Boris is very popular and well liked by a large part of the country. He is doing a great job as Foreign Secretary.
He is an embarrassment as a foreign Secretary. Did you hear his plans to hold Putin to account using the full power of the state and backing of HM government? He want people to protest the Russian embassy. Great Boris, just Great
He only chose Leave because he thought that would endear him to the right of the party, he didn't want them to win. However, as you say he probably added a few % to the Leave campaign, and as all it needed was a 0.9% swing, that was enough. But when the position of PM was available, he bottled it because he didn't want to be the one at the helm as the ship goes down, or to go down in history as the PM who broke up the Union and destroyed the country.
Probably not as much an embarrassment as Corbyn is as labour leader. May did the same during the referendum campaign... Backing remain and then jumping to Leave to further her own ends.
At least with Boris he weighed up the pros and cons before making a considered choice....
But Corbyn isn't a member of HM Government is he? Boris has to go on official visits, what is he going to say when he meets Erdogan, "Hello Mr President, what did you think of that poem I wrote about you fucking a goat?"? That is who is representing us abroad.
And there was I thinking you were against dictatorial regimes.....
I think the man is an idiot and very damaging to Turkey, but he was democratically elected, and Turkey is an important ally that we need to work with.
And there was a democratic referendum on the UK's membership of the EU... which resulted in the majority voting for Brexit.
But on to Erdogan, and let's look at vote comparisons with Brexit -
Erdogan got 51.7% of the votes in the 2014 Turkish Election - but just 39% of the electorate voted for him.
Comparable, maybe, with the EU referendum? You know, the one that you and other Remainers say is not right because of the percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit?
I don't really understand what point you are trying to make.
It's a very simple point, you say Erdogan was democratically elected (therefore we should accept the result) and we as a country need to work with him.
Britain voted democratically to leave the EU (therefore we (including you) should accept the result) and we need to work together as a country to make a success of it.
Erdogan was elected on 52% which you seem to accept as legitimate.
Leave won the EU referendum on 52% which you don't seem able to accept as legitimate. "
Well foreign secretaries have to deal with the elected officials of the country. Someone said he was a dictator, I corrected them and said that he was elected.
In the UK we had a non-binding, advisory referendum. Im not happy with the result, and don't want it to happen, but I am only going to try to stop it using legal and democratic methods. That's what a democracy is. So I don't understand the point that you are trying to make.
If you have ever voted for a party that isn't the party of government, then you have attempted to overthrow the government haven't you? But there is a difference between doing it in a tank vs in the voting booth. |
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So what?! I voted leave, not because of boris, farrage, 350 million or anyone or anything else.
I voted for the same gut feeling the scots have of wanting self determination, freedom to choose without having some big brother hovering over our shoulders and meddling.
Seen lots of boring posts from certain people now and just.. Well is boring. |
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