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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Why can't the US and Russia just TALK to each other instead of constantly upping the ante with ever more provocative militaristic language?
It is surely not beyond the means of the two most powerful nations on earth to work out a way of stopping so many people being killed every single day. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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The Russians have been a major ally of Syria for decades, and have armed them for just as long.
They have also proved themselves to be no strangers to the mass killing of innocents in the past, and I'm not talking about accidental civilian bombings here, more that they see civilians as an unfortunate but a necessary price to pay to achieve their military goal. |
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over a year ago
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"The Russians have been a major ally of Syria for decades, and have armed them for just as long.
They have also proved themselves to be no strangers to the mass killing of innocents in the past, and I'm not talking about accidental civilian bombings here, more that they see civilians as an unfortunate but a necessary price to pay to achieve their military goal."
Not to mention the millions that putin has been paid by Assad  |
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over a year ago
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The easiest solution is to pull out western intervention and let Putin and Assad reassert control over the area.
It's not politically correct but it's probably the best way to save as many lives possible |
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"The easiest solution is to pull out western intervention and let Putin and Assad reassert control over the area.
It's not politically correct but it's probably the best way to save as many lives possible"
Agreed. Not the ideal, but unless one side gives ground soon, a bad scenario will just get even worse.
Only issue is, from a WWestern policy standpoint, what happens to the displaced Syrians in Europe/other nations? Many wanted to return home once the war calmed down, so would we ask them to return or give them the option? |
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Because Russia wants access to the Mediterranean through Syria, achievable by allying with Assad. They don't want do anything to jeopardise that and the US doesn't want to do anything that might make it easier. Both regardless of consequences to innocents.
Look on this forum for examples of peoples inability to listen and/or compromise.
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"The easiest solution is to pull out western intervention and let Putin and Assad reassert control over the area.
It's not politically correct but it's probably the best way to save as many lives possible
Agreed. Not the ideal, but unless one side gives ground soon, a bad scenario will just get even worse.
Only issue is, from a WWestern policy standpoint, what happens to the displaced Syrians in Europe/other nations? Many wanted to return home once the war calmed down, so would we ask them to return or give them the option?"
I don't think they can be forced to go back, it's not possible to ensure their safety if they are forcibly sent back..... |
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"go back your taking the pi s there in the land of milk and honey now"
Really, with racist attacks and people being disrespectful. Just wondering if Yu have met any immigrants from Syria or Kurdistan. I have met a number of six, seven and eight year olds and their families. |
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over a year ago
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If they are in danger then I see no harm in keeping them safe. But peace of some kind will return to the region from whence they came. It is then that they should return. Every single last one of them. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"If they are in danger then I see no harm in keeping them safe. But peace of some kind will return to the region from whence they came. It is then that they should return. Every single last one of them."
You should see a Doctor. Really. The hatred running through your veins is palpable. |
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"Why can't the US and Russia just TALK to each other instead of constantly upping the ante with ever more provocative militaristic language?
It is surely not beyond the means of the two most powerful nations on earth to work out a way of stopping so many people being killed every single day."
Because Vlad the ex KGB Colonel (and new Stalin) has decided that the Western military alliance is falling apart and he can successfully expand his sphere of influence by reinstating the cold war and making it hot in places. The Soviets and the US used the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa as a weapons and tactics proving ground by means of low level proxy wars from 1947 to the mid 80's, as there are no suitable conflicts in SE Asia or Africa for Vlad to exploit he is using Syria.
The more we appease the more violence the Russian Federation and their clients will use and the more Vlad will expand the areas of conflict. |
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"The easiest solution is to pull out western intervention and let Putin and Assad reassert control over the area.
It's not politically correct but it's probably the best way to save as many lives possible"
Unfortunately this is not an option (see above).
This does not mean I believe we should have intervened in the first place. In fact I would say that since 9/11 we have not made a single correct military decision and that the majority of the political policy made have been of the knee-jerk variety and counter to our short and long term interests. |
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I think your making the classic mistake of falling into the western narrative.
I can't honestly see any evidence of Russian empire building.
They ceded pretty much half of Europe, northern Asia, half of Germany in the last 30 years, they did this on specific terms that NATO and the west would not expand upto Russia, we backed out of that deal and expanded right upto Russia's border, the bits they are grabbing now are the bits they've been forced to do by western policy and actions.
Do I think Putin is great, no I don't but then I don't fear his actions or intent either, it's a 40 year old democracy, it needs time to bed in to it.... They still hold deep mistrust about the west and quite frankly we don't help getting rid of that mistrust with EU actions like the Ukraine or NATO expansion into the entire of eastern Europe. |
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"The easiest solution is to pull out western intervention and let Putin and Assad reassert control over the area.
It's not politically correct but it's probably the best way to save as many lives possible
Agreed. Not the ideal, but unless one side gives ground soon, a bad scenario will just get even worse.
Only issue is, from a WWestern policy standpoint, what happens to the displaced Syrians in Europe/other nations? Many wanted to return home once the war calmed down, so would we ask them to return or give them the option?
I don't think they can be forced to go back, it's not possible to ensure their safety if they are forcibly sent back....."
To clarify that's the point I was making. What I was saying is, if the easiest course of option is to bite our tongues and let Putin keep assad in power, and that becomes policy, then the Syrian refugees will have a right to stay, most hard right individuals in Europe probably wouldn't like this. |
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"I think your making the classic mistake of falling into the western narrative.
I can't honestly see any evidence of Russian empire building.
They ceded pretty much half of Europe, northern Asia, half of Germany in the last 30 years, they did this on specific terms that NATO and the west would not expand upto Russia, we backed out of that deal and expanded right upto Russia's border, the bits they are grabbing now are the bits they've been forced to do by western policy and actions.
Do I think Putin is great, no I don't but then I don't fear his actions or intent either, it's a 40 year old democracy, it needs time to bed in to it.... They still hold deep mistrust about the west and quite frankly we don't help getting rid of that mistrust with EU actions like the Ukraine or NATO expansion into the entire of eastern Europe."
spot on  |
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"I think your making the classic mistake of falling into the western narrative.
I can't honestly see any evidence of Russian empire building.
They ceded pretty much half of Europe, northern Asia, half of Germany in the last 30 years, they did this on specific terms that NATO and the west would not expand upto Russia, we backed out of that deal and expanded right upto Russia's border, the bits they are grabbing now are the bits they've been forced to do by western policy and actions.
Do I think Putin is great, no I don't but then I don't fear his actions or intent either, it's a 40 year old democracy, it needs time to bed in to it.... They still hold deep mistrust about the west and quite frankly we don't help getting rid of that mistrust with EU actions like the Ukraine or NATO expansion into the entire of eastern Europe.
spot on "
I'll give that a thumbs up too.
I would add that the creation of an EU army (as the out of touch EU elite in Brussels have made clear they want), will only serve to heighten tensions and make things much, much worse. |
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I fully appreciate how and why Russia distrusts Western Europe and why they would want a buffer between them and us. However my comments about Putin were not based on any Western bias but on what he has done both inside and outside Russia and his aggressive use of both economic and military power internally and externally to expand Russian borders and influence.
Because we in the West have adopted appeasement as our default first response to any conflict and despite it never working refuse to abandon it every success Putin has only spurs him on to take more and push us and his people harder. |
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"I think your making the classic mistake of falling into the western narrative.
I can't honestly see any evidence of Russian empire building.
They ceded pretty much half of Europe, northern Asia, half of Germany in the last 30 years, they did this on specific terms that NATO and the west would not expand upto Russia, we backed out of that deal and expanded right upto Russia's border, the bits they are grabbing now are the bits they've been forced to do by western policy and actions.
Do I think Putin is great, no I don't but then I don't fear his actions or intent either, it's a 40 year old democracy, it needs time to bed in to it.... They still hold deep mistrust about the west and quite frankly we don't help getting rid of that mistrust with EU actions like the Ukraine or NATO expansion into the entire of eastern Europe."
that gets a huge thump up from me too |
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"Bombing towns and cities by anyone one is just Wrong !!! Wether it's Tussia or The USA .
It should be a War Crime  "
It is war. The idea of some acts of war being legal and others illegal is ridiculous. Fact of the matter is that part of the definition of war is a total breakdown of the rule of law in the warzone. That we have now got to the point where we believe that wars should be fought according to a set of rules shows how divorced from reality we (as a society) have become. |
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