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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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Ed Miliband is leading a cross party group to ensure that parliament has a say on the Brexit negotiations, is he having to step up as de facto leader in the void of leadership from Corbyn? |
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"Ed Miliband is leading a cross party group to ensure that parliament has a say on the Brexit negotiations, is he having to step up as de facto leader in the void of leadership from Corbyn? "
Yes.
Well done Ed - but the fact that the official opposition has no interest in holding the Government to account on this issue is horrific. |
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"Ed Miliband is leading a cross party group to ensure that parliament has a say on the Brexit negotiations, is he having to step up as de facto leader in the void of leadership from Corbyn?
Yes.
Well done Ed - but the fact that the official opposition has no interest in holding the Government to account on this issue is horrific."
He just lost his motion and there will be no vote |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
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Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country."
I dont honestly understand why there is such a fear about the terms of Brexit being subject to Parliamentary scrutiny. I also think it will be a huge miscalculation by Theresa May if she does not involve all parties in the process because all of the parties represent all parts of UK society.
I find it completely bizarre that the vote to leave the EU was at least in part about "taking back control" and parliament once again being "sovereign." Yet the first opportunity to do exactly that, there is a weight of opinion that seems to be scared of Parliament actually doing what the Brexit vote was about - deciding UK policy and future law.
No one voted for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox to negotiate....
UK citizen rights in Europe
European citizen rights in the UK
The level of access to the single market
Banking passporting rights
The border issue between Eire & NI
The UK's future social, political, fiscal, security and welfare relationships with the EU
Sourcing of regional, educational and farming subsidies in addition to promised funds going to the NHS
Etc etc
Leaving the EU is one thing. How we leave the EU and how our future world is going to be are entirely different matters. Considering that the consequences of these negotiations will outlast probably everyone on this forum, approaching them in a cavaliar way is completely irresponsible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country.
I dont honestly understand why there is such a fear about the terms of Brexit being subject to Parliamentary scrutiny. I also think it will be a huge miscalculation by Theresa May if she does not involve all parties in the process because all of the parties represent all parts of UK society.
I find it completely bizarre that the vote to leave the EU was at least in part about "taking back control" and parliament once again being "sovereign." Yet the first opportunity to do exactly that, there is a weight of opinion that seems to be scared of Parliament actually doing what the Brexit vote was about - deciding UK policy and future law.
No one voted for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox to negotiate....
UK citizen rights in Europe
European citizen rights in the UK
The level of access to the single market
Banking passporting rights
The border issue between Eire & NI
The UK's future social, political, fiscal, security and welfare relationships with the EU
Sourcing of regional, educational and farming subsidies in addition to promised funds going to the NHS
Etc etc
Leaving the EU is one thing. How we leave the EU and how our future world is going to be are entirely different matters. Considering that the consequences of these negotiations will outlast probably everyone on this forum, approaching them in a cavaliar way is completely irresponsible."
who does Labour represent? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country."
It may not be in the best intetests of the country....but its what we (majority) voted for....so we have to live with it....simple! |
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"Ed Miliband is leading a cross party group to ensure that parliament has a say on the Brexit negotiations, is he having to step up as de facto leader in the void of leadership from Corbyn? "
Ed Miliband and other fanatical Remainers in Westminster are doing their damnest to use parliamentary process to either slow down Brexit or scupper Brexit entirely, and this is what his motivation is for doing this along with other likeminded Remain MP's.
I just watched a debate on Parliament television about the whole Brexit issue in the house of commons and the Secretary of state for Brexit David Davies was very clear that the will of the British people who voted in the Referendum must be carried out, no 2nd referendum and no vote in Parliament where Remain MP's could vote against article 50 being triggered. Parliament already voted by a majority of 6 to 1 in the house of commons to let the people of the UK decide this in the referendum and the country has made its choice, Leave won so we will leave the EU. |
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country.
It may not be in the best intetests of the country....but its what we (majority) voted for....so we have to live with it....simple!"
And I totally agree that the democratic process must be adhered to. But I don't like the idea of a single party being able to call all of the shots and make the decisions with little to no scrutiny. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country.
It may not be in the best intetests of the country....but its what we (majority) voted for....so we have to live with it....simple!
And I totally agree that the democratic process must be adhered to. But I don't like the idea of a single party being able to call all of the shots and make the decisions with little to no scrutiny."
It is not even a single Party, it is a tiny part of that Party. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country.
I dont honestly understand why there is such a fear about the terms of Brexit being subject to Parliamentary scrutiny. I also think it will be a huge miscalculation by Theresa May if she does not involve all parties in the process because all of the parties represent all parts of UK society.
I find it completely bizarre that the vote to leave the EU was at least in part about "taking back control" and parliament once again being "sovereign." Yet the first opportunity to do exactly that, there is a weight of opinion that seems to be scared of Parliament actually doing what the Brexit vote was about - deciding UK policy and future law.
No one voted for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox to negotiate....
UK citizen rights in Europe
European citizen rights in the UK
The level of access to the single market
Banking passporting rights
The border issue between Eire & NI
The UK's future social, political, fiscal, security and welfare relationships with the EU
Sourcing of regional, educational and farming subsidies in addition to promised funds going to the NHS
Etc etc
Leaving the EU is one thing. How we leave the EU and how our future world is going to be are entirely different matters. Considering that the consequences of these negotiations will outlast probably everyone on this forum, approaching them in a cavaliar way is completely irresponsible."
A running commentary or parliamentary approval to a worst or best case scenario is not terribly conducive to negotiating, is it?
A commercial negotiation does not begin with you laying all your cards on the table. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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A commercial negotiation does not begin with you laying all your cards on the table."
The negotiating team should be representative of the whole country. The Three Brexiteers are not representative of even the whole Brexit movement, let alone the UK. By failing to include representatives of the whole of the United Kingdom in the negotiations, Theresa May is risking a massive backlash when she finally publishes her secretly negotiated "deal."
In case you hadn't noticed the UK is acrimoneously split over this issue and you cant effectively negotiate for 100% of the people if you dont fully represent them or in fact disagree with what half (or more) want. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
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Fully agree! If they look for a way to reverse the referendum, will future ones on any subject be taken seriously! |
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A commercial negotiation does not begin with you laying all your cards on the table.
The negotiating team should be representative of the whole country. The Three Brexiteers are not representative of even the whole Brexit movement, let alone the UK. By failing to include representatives of the whole of the United Kingdom in the negotiations, Theresa May is risking a massive backlash when she finally publishes her secretly negotiated "deal."
In case you hadn't noticed the UK is acrimoneously split over this issue and you cant effectively negotiate for 100% of the people if you dont fully represent them or in fact disagree with what half (or more) want."
No. The negotiating team should be the strongest negotiators we can find. As I am sure that they are.
Asking them to lay their cards on the table would be weakening their position considerably. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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All parties knew the score when they voted for a referendum, ie the government would negotiate a way out end of. It is no good saying who represents whom. The government represents us all. In Stoke, a city where we voted 3 to 1 to leave, we have 3 Labour MP's who all voted to remain, so who do they represent? And the country is not even that divided hn the way people try to suggest anyway. 30 million want to leave or don't care either way and 16 million voted to remain. Big difference |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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A commercial negotiation does not begin with you laying all your cards on the table.
The negotiating team should be representative of the whole country. The Three Brexiteers are not representative of even the whole Brexit movement, let alone the UK. By failing to include representatives of the whole of the United Kingdom in the negotiations, Theresa May is risking a massive backlash when she finally publishes her secretly negotiated "deal."
In case you hadn't noticed the UK is acrimoneously split over this issue and you cant effectively negotiate for 100% of the people if you dont fully represent them or in fact disagree with what half (or more) want.
No. The negotiating team should be the strongest negotiators we can find. As I am sure that they are.
Asking them to lay their cards on the table would be weakening their position considerably. "
I agree that we have yet to find them but would argue that strong arming is never the best option in negotiations where the other party has time on their side and you dont. I would say best, rather than strongest.
" The negotiating team should be the best negotiators we can find." |
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
Brexit has to happen. However going on the track record of British politicians I would prefer that things are done properly. UK government's have caused some major fuck ups and I'm not sure I trust any of then acting in isolation to act in the best interests of the country.
I dont honestly understand why there is such a fear about the terms of Brexit being subject to Parliamentary scrutiny. I also think it will be a huge miscalculation by Theresa May if she does not involve all parties in the process because all of the parties represent all parts of UK society.
I find it completely bizarre that the vote to leave the EU was at least in part about "taking back control" and parliament once again being "sovereign." Yet the first opportunity to do exactly that, there is a weight of opinion that seems to be scared of Parliament actually doing what the Brexit vote was about - deciding UK policy and future law.
No one voted for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox to negotiate....
UK citizen rights in Europe
European citizen rights in the UK
The level of access to the single market
Banking passporting rights
The border issue between Eire & NI
The UK's future social, political, fiscal, security and welfare relationships with the EU
Sourcing of regional, educational and farming subsidies in addition to promised funds going to the NHS
Etc etc
Leaving the EU is one thing. How we leave the EU and how our future world is going to be are entirely different matters. Considering that the consequences of these negotiations will outlast probably everyone on this forum, approaching them in a cavaliar way is completely irresponsible."
I agree with a lot of what you say _oo hot but we have to be carefull how much information is released but I agree there should be negotiators from ALL political parties involved. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"All parties knew the score when they voted for a referendum, ie the government would negotiate a way out end of. It is no good saying who represents whom. The government represents us all. In Stoke, a city where we voted 3 to 1 to leave, we have 3 Labour MP's who all voted to remain, so who do they represent? And the country is not even that divided hn the way people try to suggest anyway. 30 million want to leave or don't care either way and 16 million voted to remain. Big difference"
Let's just say that you were right. In that case, why would you be so against Parliamentary scrutiny? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A commercial negotiation does not begin with you laying all your cards on the table.
The negotiating team should be representative of the whole country. The Three Brexiteers are not representative of even the whole Brexit movement, let alone the UK. By failing to include representatives of the whole of the United Kingdom in the negotiations, Theresa May is risking a massive backlash when she finally publishes her secretly negotiated "deal."
In case you hadn't noticed the UK is acrimoneously split over this issue and you cant effectively negotiate for 100% of the people if you dont fully represent them or in fact disagree with what half (or more) want.
No. The negotiating team should be the strongest negotiators we can find. As I am sure that they are.
Asking them to lay their cards on the table would be weakening their position considerably.
I agree that we have yet to find them but would argue that strong arming is never the best option in negotiations where the other party has time on their side and you dont. I would say best, rather than strongest.
" The negotiating team should be the best negotiators we can find.""
The answer given to a parliamentary question in July was that we had employed 180 negotiators in London and had 120 in Belgium.
Whether they are the "best" or "srongest" I know not as I did not interview them. My suspicions are that they would not have been employed without some belief in their abilities. |
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We have the best negotiating team that we can find. Does anybody really think it will be the politicians negotiating? They are just there to instruct the negotiators as to what the country wants and will accept |
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"We have the best negotiating team that we can find. Does anybody really think it will be the politicians negotiating? They are just there to instruct the negotiators as to what the country wants and will accept"
But with all discussion in parliament denied, how are they going to understand " what the country wants"?
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"We have the best negotiating team that we can find. Does anybody really think it will be the politicians negotiating? They are just there to instruct the negotiators as to what the country wants and will accept
But with all discussion in parliament denied, how are they going to understand " what the country wants"?
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Was discussed today in the house of commons. There will be endless debates about Brexit in the house of commons over the next 2 and a half years where MP's (remain or leave) can input what they like. Every Wednesday the opposition Labour party can ask questions to the Prime minister on any subject they choose, including Brexit at Prime Ministers questions. David Davis Brexit secretary said today that all devolved governments in the UK will also be consulted about the Brexit process and will be an ongoing process as the negotiations with the EU develop.
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"We have the best negotiating team that we can find. Does anybody really think it will be the politicians negotiating? They are just there to instruct the negotiators as to what the country wants and will accept
But with all discussion in parliament denied, how are they going to understand " what the country wants"?
Was discussed today in the house of commons. There will be endless debates about Brexit in the house of commons over the next 2 and a half years where MP's (remain or leave) can input what they like. Every Wednesday the opposition Labour party can ask questions to the Prime minister on any subject they choose, including Brexit at Prime Ministers questions. David Davis Brexit secretary said today that all devolved governments in the UK will also be consulted about the Brexit process and will be an ongoing process as the negotiations with the EU develop.
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But what he actually said was that all discussion of options will be stonewalled. |
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By *obka3Couple
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"We have the best negotiating team that we can find. Does anybody really think it will be the politicians negotiating? They are just there to instruct the negotiators as to what the country wants and will accept
But with all discussion in parliament denied, how are they going to understand " what the country wants"?
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The country wants tariff free access to the single market control and over our borders, I dont think anyone would argue with that, the difference would be on how many we let in . The EU want total free movement perhaps in exchange for no tariffs and maybe a membership fee. The deal will be somewhere between the two, if there is no deal then WTO rules will apply and no free movement, WTO rules result in a net gain to the UK as we import more than we export, the UK gov can then spend the tariff income on reducing any impact on the uk population/ industries in any way it sees fit |
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"All parties knew the score when they voted for a referendum, ie the government would negotiate a way out end of. It is no good saying who represents whom. The government represents us all. In Stoke, a city where we voted 3 to 1 to leave, we have 3 Labour MP's who all voted to remain, so who do they represent? And the country is not even that divided hn the way people try to suggest anyway. 30 million want to leave or don't care either way and 16 million voted to remain. Big difference
Let's just say that you were right. In that case, why would you be so against Parliamentary scrutiny?"
I'm not against scrutiny but there is only one way to do things, which is for the government to get the best deal they can while carrying out the majorities wishes. Of course we will no longer be a member of the simgle maket, that is what we voted for and it is undemocratic to try and stop that |
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"He is a traitor as he does not believe in democracy,all these MP's that wish to challenge the will of the people should be expelled from parliament and never allowed to hold public office again.
MP's of whichever party are elected to serve the people if they do not do that they are criminals.
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Too bloody right!! |
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The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
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No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it. |
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"All parties knew the score when they voted for a referendum, ie the government would negotiate a way out end of. It is no good saying who represents whom. The government represents us all. In Stoke, a city where we voted 3 to 1 to leave, we have 3 Labour MP's who all voted to remain, so who do they represent? And the country is not even that divided hn the way people try to suggest anyway. 30 million want to leave or don't care either way and 16 million voted to remain. Big difference
Let's just say that you were right. In that case, why would you be so against Parliamentary scrutiny?"
That would be because negotiating cannot be done in public.
Talking about scrutiny, when was the last time the EU had it's accounts passed? The remainers tend to go quiet at that question. |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it. "
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock "
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK? |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?"
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years. |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years."
so why has growth been slower, tipped to continue being slower, unemployment figures rising and expected to continue rising? |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years.
so why has growth been slower, tipped to continue being slower, unemployment figures rising and expected to continue rising?"
Spain Spain mention Spain |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years.
so why has growth been slower, tipped to continue being slower, unemployment figures rising and expected to continue rising?
Spain Spain mention Spain"
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years.
so why has growth been slower, tipped to continue being slower, unemployment figures rising and expected to continue rising?
Spain Spain mention Spain"
Why don't we talk about that other great EU/Euro zone disaster Greece too while we're at it. |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years."
I would say that with low growth, an unemployment rate of 10%, twice that of the UK and rising and a looming banking crisis, France is in a pretty shit position and a bit of a joke. If it wasn't so sad |
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I would say that with low growth, an unemployment rate of 10%, twice that of the UK and rising and a looming banking crisis, France is in a pretty shit position and a bit of a joke. If it wasn't so sad"
Didn't we learn all about historical unemployment rates last week? |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years.
I would say that with low growth, an unemployment rate of 10%, twice that of the UK and rising and a looming banking crisis, France is in a pretty shit position and a bit of a joke. If it wasn't so sad"
Growth is not important; stability is; debt ratio is important; as is manufacturing base; and reserves. Plus productivity ( as a national index)
Rising unemployment is not correct ( though it is irrelevant anyway)
The issue is that the UK measures itself by " Anglo-Saxon/ American measures, which are shown to be seriously flawed.
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The main point of wanting the vote about what our negotiating position should be is about staying in the Single Market.
We voted to leave the EU and all the politicians are agreeing about leaving and no second referendum.
The real reason for Brexiters not wanting the vote in parliament is because it might mean that we fight to stay in the Single Market. They have already got what they want with leaving the EU, but what they really are afraid of are foreigners.
Even though they know the terrible impact of leaving the Single Market will have on our economy, they are much more terrified of the thought foreigners in the UK, and that's why they want to leave to Single Market. That is why they are terrified of a vote in parliament. |
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"The main point of wanting the vote about what our negotiating position should be is about staying in the Single Market.
We voted to leave the EU and all the politicians are agreeing about leaving and no second referendum.
The real reason for Brexiters not wanting the vote in parliament is because it might mean that we fight to stay in the Single Market. They have already got what they want with leaving the EU, but what they really are afraid of are foreigners.
Even though they know the terrible impact of leaving the Single Market will have on our economy, they are much more terrified of the thought foreigners in the UK, and that's why they want to leave to Single Market. That is why they are terrified of a vote in parliament. "
If you are going to stay in the single market then you may as well stay in the EU as a full blown member. If you stay in the single market then that means you still have to allow free movement of people, you still have to adopt all EU law and you still have to pay EU contribution fees. The British public rejected all these things when they voted to leave on June 23rd. To take back full control of our country from the EU (taking back control was the main point made repeatedly by vote Leave) then we have to leave the single market. |
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"The current challenge is not against BREXIT;
It's to challenge the government to open their plans to discuss what will actually happen.
The government wants to choose its way with no reference to parliament.
Basically the government has decided that parliament has no further role in the running of the country.
No the government is keeping It's negotiating strategy secret. It would be incredibly foolish to reveal the negotiating strategy before negotiations with the EU have begun. For a successful outcome to a negotiation then your don't reveal your cards in advance. Let's be honest here all you Remainers really want parliament to intervene in delaying Brexit or stopping Brexit altogether, that's your true motivation for wanting a vote in Parliament on it so why don't you just admit it.
Bollocks.
Doesn't affect me;
I just watch UK going down the shitter from a safe distance .
Just a pity to see the country that thinks it invented democracy ( it didn't), become a laughing stock
Do you honestly believe that France is in a better position than the UK?
Massively.
Of course it is;has been for years.
I would say that with low growth, an unemployment rate of 10%, twice that of the UK and rising and a looming banking crisis, France is in a pretty shit position and a bit of a joke. If it wasn't so sad
Growth is not important; stability is; debt ratio is important; as is manufacturing base; and reserves. Plus productivity ( as a national index)
Rising unemployment is not correct ( though it is irrelevant anyway)
The issue is that the UK measures itself by " Anglo-Saxon/ American measures, which are shown to be seriously flawed.
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strange twist on things and unemployment is rising there and why is unemployment irrelevant? So everything is well in a country where the National Front are polling 30% of the vote is it? And whats with the attacks on the Chinese? |
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"The main point of wanting the vote about what our negotiating position should be is about staying in the Single Market.
We voted to leave the EU and all the politicians are agreeing about leaving and no second referendum.
The real reason for Brexiters not wanting the vote in parliament is because it might mean that we fight to stay in the Single Market. They have already got what they want with leaving the EU, but what they really are afraid of are foreigners.
Even though they know the terrible impact of leaving the Single Market will have on our economy, they are much more terrified of the thought foreigners in the UK, and that's why they want to leave to Single Market. That is why they are terrified of a vote in parliament. "
oooh ye nasty foreigners. Predictable if nothing else  |
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