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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump" And still BREXITeers dont get it. This is a divorce, we don't get to get away with saying we are divorcing you and we are taking everything, wont be paying maintenance and by the way we will be dropping in to fuck you whenever we want a fuck. In fact having said it we should not be surprised that our wife of 40 years is saying 'fuck off' you not having it your way in fact I am the one setting the terms of the divorce and how much maintenance you pay!!! Now considering that as a whole the EU economy is the 2nd/3rd largest in the world and 40%+ of all our exports are to the EU, while our economy is now 6th, contracting and now accounts for about 10% of EU exports, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you really think we can fuck over the EU they will say that's fine keep the key, pop in and empty your ballbag any time you like. Or do you think they are going to take out the carving knife and slice off our dick and balls? Maybe it is time that the brexit gloaters woke up and realised that the best we can hope for is that if we are really nice and give the EU everything they want without a fight we will not end up homeless and sleeping on a park bench and picking dogends off the pavements! | |||
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump And still BREXITeers dont get it. This is a divorce, we don't get to get away with saying we are divorcing you and we are taking everything, wont be paying maintenance and by the way we will be dropping in to fuck you whenever we want a fuck. In fact having said it we should not be surprised that our wife of 40 years is saying 'fuck off' you not having it your way in fact I am the one setting the terms of the divorce and how much maintenance you pay!!! Now considering that as a whole the EU economy is the 2nd/3rd largest in the world and 40%+ of all our exports are to the EU, while our economy is now 6th, contracting and now accounts for about 10% of EU exports, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you really think we can fuck over the EU they will say that's fine keep the key, pop in and empty your ballbag any time you like. Or do you think they are going to take out the carving knife and slice off our dick and balls? Maybe it is time that the brexit gloaters woke up and realised that the best we can hope for is that if we are really nice and give the EU everything they want without a fight we will not end up homeless and sleeping on a park bench and picking dogends off the pavements!" You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see. | |||
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump And still BREXITeers dont get it. This is a divorce, we don't get to get away with saying we are divorcing you and we are taking everything, wont be paying maintenance and by the way we will be dropping in to fuck you whenever we want a fuck. In fact having said it we should not be surprised that our wife of 40 years is saying 'fuck off' you not having it your way in fact I am the one setting the terms of the divorce and how much maintenance you pay!!! Now considering that as a whole the EU economy is the 2nd/3rd largest in the world and 40%+ of all our exports are to the EU, while our economy is now 6th, contracting and now accounts for about 10% of EU exports, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you really think we can fuck over the EU they will say that's fine keep the key, pop in and empty your ballbag any time you like. Or do you think they are going to take out the carving knife and slice off our dick and balls? Maybe it is time that the brexit gloaters woke up and realised that the best we can hope for is that if we are really nice and give the EU everything they want without a fight we will not end up homeless and sleeping on a park bench and picking dogends off the pavements!" I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that? | |||
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump And still BREXITeers dont get it. This is a divorce, we don't get to get away with saying we are divorcing you and we are taking everything, wont be paying maintenance and by the way we will be dropping in to fuck you whenever we want a fuck. In fact having said it we should not be surprised that our wife of 40 years is saying 'fuck off' you not having it your way in fact I am the one setting the terms of the divorce and how much maintenance you pay!!! Now considering that as a whole the EU economy is the 2nd/3rd largest in the world and 40%+ of all our exports are to the EU, while our economy is now 6th, contracting and now accounts for about 10% of EU exports, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you really think we can fuck over the EU they will say that's fine keep the key, pop in and empty your ballbag any time you like. Or do you think they are going to take out the carving knife and slice off our dick and balls? Maybe it is time that the brexit gloaters woke up and realised that the best we can hope for is that if we are really nice and give the EU everything they want without a fight we will not end up homeless and sleeping on a park bench and picking dogends off the pavements! You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see." I have noticed that when presented with a strong argument, your default line is not to offer a contrary opinion but to state " we will have to wait and see." If you truly believe in your position, you should be able to offer a contrary argument. | |||
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"a Man who "Begs" is not man . as for the OP, its time you face the music, rather than constant whinging So you this this as me whinging, not the CBI and EEF stating the economic reality of Brexit? 
But Brexit is more than 2 years away how does ANYONE know what will happen between now and then. You should be more worried about the US and Russia putting the boxing gloves back on than Brexit.
That's more like it  "Well you might like it but don't Russia wont back down with Putin in charge so the shit could easily hit the fan big style. | |||
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"You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see." Sorry to say this, but you are totally wrong. Contrary to your belief our government has NO SAY in the deal we get offered by the EU. The only thing that they have control of is triggering Article 50, once that is done all decisions are made by the remaining EU countries, and we lose our say in all EU policy decisions between then and our leaving. "I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that?" Again you are totally wrong. Since 1999 we have been on the losing side in 56 EU votes, in the same period we have been on the winning side 2466 times. Further on major treaty issues we have either had a veto or an exemption. Now forgetting what you have been told by Boris and his crew, does that sound abusive to you? Keeping with my marriage analogy I would say that if there has been an abuser in the UK-EU marriage it has to look like the UK is it, and like many abusers is attempting to transfer blame to the abused spouse. | |||
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"You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see. Sorry to say this, but you are totally wrong. Contrary to your belief our government has NO SAY in the deal we get offered by the EU. The only thing that they have control of is triggering Article 50, once that is done all decisions are made by the remaining EU countries, and we lose our say in all EU policy decisions between then and our leaving. I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that? Again you are totally wrong. Since 1999 we have been on the losing side in 56 EU votes, in the same period we have been on the winning side 2466 times. Further on major treaty issues we have either had a veto or an exemption. Now forgetting what you have been told by Boris and his crew, does that sound abusive to you? Keeping with my marriage analogy I would say that if there has been an abuser in the UK-EU marriage it has to look like the UK is it, and like many abusers is attempting to transfer blame to the abused spouse. " If we have no say in any thing after we trigger Article 50 the EU will not be expecting our contributions then will they so the UK will be able use that money elsewhere and the UK can leave a lot QUICKER.  | |||
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"You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see. Sorry to say this, but you are totally wrong. Contrary to your belief our government has NO SAY in the deal we get offered by the EU. The only thing that they have control of is triggering Article 50, once that is done all decisions are made by the remaining EU countries, and we lose our say in all EU policy decisions between then and our leaving. I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that? Again you are totally wrong. Since 1999 we have been on the losing side in 56 EU votes, in the same period we have been on the winning side 2466 times. Further on major treaty issues we have either had a veto or an exemption. Now forgetting what you have been told by Boris and his crew, does that sound abusive to you? Keeping with my marriage analogy I would say that if there has been an abuser in the UK-EU marriage it has to look like the UK is it, and like many abusers is attempting to transfer blame to the abused spouse. " So the abused spouse now wants revenge even though it will damage themselves? We keep hearing that the EU must be hard on the UK to deter others from leaving. Now if the EU is so confident of its benefits to nations, why would others want to leave? Or if others feel that they would be better off out of it why are they not allowed to leave with best wishes and help and an attitude of oh well, you're loss? The truth is the EU is failing and they know the only way to hang on to power is through threat. How anyone can support it is beyond me | |||
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"You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see. Sorry to say this, but you are totally wrong. Contrary to your belief our government has NO SAY in the deal we get offered by the EU. The only thing that they have control of is triggering Article 50, once that is done all decisions are made by the remaining EU countries, and we lose our say in all EU policy decisions between then and our leaving. I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that? Again you are totally wrong. Since 1999 we have been on the losing side in 56 EU votes, in the same period we have been on the winning side 2466 times. Further on major treaty issues we have either had a veto or an exemption. Now forgetting what you have been told by Boris and his crew, does that sound abusive to you? Keeping with my marriage analogy I would say that if there has been an abuser in the UK-EU marriage it has to look like the UK is it, and like many abusers is attempting to transfer blame to the abused spouse. So the abused spouse now wants revenge even though it will damage themselves? We keep hearing that the EU must be hard on the UK to deter others from leaving. Now if the EU is so confident of its benefits to nations, why would others want to leave? Or if others feel that they would be better off out of it why are they not allowed to leave with best wishes and help and an attitude of oh well, you're loss? The truth is the EU is failing and they know the only way to hang on to power is through threat. How anyone can support it is beyond me" | |||
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"You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see. Sorry to say this, but you are totally wrong. Contrary to your belief our government has NO SAY in the deal we get offered by the EU. The only thing that they have control of is triggering Article 50, once that is done all decisions are made by the remaining EU countries, and we lose our say in all EU policy decisions between then and our leaving. I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that? Again you are totally wrong. Since 1999 we have been on the losing side in 56 EU votes, in the same period we have been on the winning side 2466 times. Further on major treaty issues we have either had a veto or an exemption. Now forgetting what you have been told by Boris and his crew, does that sound abusive to you? Keeping with my marriage analogy I would say that if there has been an abuser in the UK-EU marriage it has to look like the UK is it, and like many abusers is attempting to transfer blame to the abused spouse. So the abused spouse now wants revenge even though it will damage themselves? We keep hearing that the EU must be hard on the UK to deter others from leaving. Now if the EU is so confident of its benefits to nations, why would others want to leave? Or if others feel that they would be better off out of it why are they not allowed to leave with best wishes and help and an attitude of oh well, you're loss? The truth is the EU is failing and they know the only way to hang on to power is through threat. How anyone can support it is beyond me" Name me one membership organisation in the world where you get a better deal after leaving than you got as a member? If you are a member of a gym and you sign up to go mon-fri, but after a few months you decide it not for you and you tell them you are leaving, do you think they will tell you that you no longer have to pay, you can now come on weekends as well, and they are going to give you a personal trainer for free? Going back to the marriage analogy, it's not an abusive relationship, but in any marriage, if one partner says it's over, the other is likely to be pissed off and not inclined to bend over backwards to be accomodating. | |||
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"You just don't get it do you it is out of our hands now whats happens with Brexit is down to how good our Government is. All this complaining your doing is getting no one anywhere all you are doing is dividing the country even more. Like it or not the UK is leaving the EU for better or worse we will ALL have to wait and see. Sorry to say this, but you are totally wrong. Contrary to your belief our government has NO SAY in the deal we get offered by the EU. The only thing that they have control of is triggering Article 50, once that is done all decisions are made by the remaining EU countries, and we lose our say in all EU policy decisions between then and our leaving. I'm sorry, you don't get it at all, but we could go back and forth on that all day. But as you use marriage as an analogy, would you want to stay in an abusive marriage? Would you want to be a member of a club that punishes you if you dare to leave? What kind of club and life is that? Again you are totally wrong. Since 1999 we have been on the losing side in 56 EU votes, in the same period we have been on the winning side 2466 times. Further on major treaty issues we have either had a veto or an exemption. Now forgetting what you have been told by Boris and his crew, does that sound abusive to you? Keeping with my marriage analogy I would say that if there has been an abuser in the UK-EU marriage it has to look like the UK is it, and like many abusers is attempting to transfer blame to the abused spouse. If we have no say in any thing after we trigger Article 50 the EU will not be expecting our contributions then will they so the UK will be able use that money elsewhere and the UK can leave a lot QUICKER. "So do you think that Britain's business are just lying to the government? Why do you think you know more about their businesses and the effects of leaving the Single Market than they do? | |||
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"If we have no say in any thing after we trigger Article 50 the EU will not be expecting our contributions then will they so the UK will be able use that money elsewhere and the UK can leave a lot QUICKER. "Yep, totally right. Of course we will have to pay tariffs on all the goods we sell into the EU, that will make our goods more expensive, therefore we will sell less, in turn causing overproduction further driving up costs and the prices of the goods we sell or alternatively we can reduce production and increase economic inactivity [anyone volunteering for unemployment or a zero hours contract please]. In turn we will apply tariffs to all goods entering the UK from the EU causing the same to happen across the EU. Only it wont! Next time your in your local supermarket take a look at where our food comes from, notice all those produce of: Spain/France/Ireland/Portugal/Germany/Netherlands et al labels. Then ask yourself'are we really going to charge EU food exporters import duties on the food they send us? Or more to the point will French farmers pay up to feed us or leave us to starve? I think I know the answer, and it comes with empty shelves and a hungry UK! | |||
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"If we have no say in any thing after we trigger Article 50 the EU will not be expecting our contributions then will they so the UK will be able use that money elsewhere and the UK can leave a lot QUICKER.
Yep, totally right. Of course we will have to pay tariffs on all the goods we sell into the EU, that will make our goods more expensive, therefore we will sell less, in turn causing overproduction further driving up costs and the prices of the goods we sell or alternatively we can reduce production and increase economic inactivity [anyone volunteering for unemployment or a zero hours contract please].
In turn we will apply tariffs to all goods entering the UK from the EU causing the same to happen across the EU. Only it wont! Next time your in your local supermarket take a look at where our food comes from, notice all those produce of: Spain/France/Ireland/Portugal/Germany/Netherlands et al labels. Then ask yourself'are we really going to charge EU food exporters import duties on the food they send us? Or more to the point will French farmers pay up to feed us or leave us to starve? I think I know the answer, and it comes with empty shelves and a hungry UK!"The way things are going there might not be an EU in a few years time, I don't remember ever saying it was going to be easy but imo it will better in a few years time. Of course the EU are going to make it hard for the UK they don't want anyone else to leave. | |||
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"You all chat shit !!! Farmers will become rich and supermarkets will fail Farmers in Britain will raise more stock for supply and demand ! But since all you have been buying forgein food for years out of the supermarkets and actually sending money "outside of the uk" you've made "fat cats" rich and British farmers poor !!! What's your excuse for this? " Agreed British farmers being paid NOT to grow crops by the EU so that farmer in other countries of the EU sell more to us. | |||
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"You all chat shit !!! Farmers will become rich and supermarkets will fail Farmers in Britain will raise more stock for supply and demand ! But since all you have been buying forgein food for years out of the supermarkets and actually sending money "outside of the uk" you've made "fat cats" rich and British farmers poor !!! What's your excuse for this? " Absolute twaddle! The UK has not been able to feed itself since the population explosion that accompanied the industrial revolution. Fact is we are only just realising how much damage has been caused by the use of intensive monoculture farming and we still don't know if we will be able to reverse the collapse in population of pollinating insects. The idea the British farmers can take up the slack and feed the country is not just laughable it is insane. | |||
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"So what is a soft brexit then? " We keep all the regulations, the movement of people, pay into the EU for access to the single market and give up our share of the EU budget and right to influence any EU decisions. I think maybe brexit will not look quite as appealing when its reality is eventually revealed to the British people. In fact I expect that Boris and Nigel may well decide that they no longer wish to reside in the UK. | |||
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" Name me one membership organisation in the world where you get a better deal after leaving than you got as a member? If you are a member of a gym and you sign up to go mon-fri, but after a few months you decide it not for you and you tell them you are leaving, do you think they will tell you that you no longer have to pay, you can now come on weekends as well, and they are going to give you a personal trainer for free? Going back to the marriage analogy, it's not an abusive relationship, but in any marriage, if one partner says it's over, the other is likely to be pissed off and not inclined to bend over backwards to be accomodating. " If you ring up sky/bt or most mobile firms and tell them you are off then they will offer you something to stay. Tariffs are in no ones interest but as we import more than we export to the eu they will suffer more and as the pound is lower the will suffer doubly as it will make our exports cheaper their imports dearer. Why do you think the germans wanted the euro so badly ? The Mark wastoo strong and hurting their exports since the euro came into being their industry has benefited hugely, as ours will | |||
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"a Man who "Begs" is not man . as for the OP, its time you face the music, rather than constant whinging So you this this as me whinging, not the CBI and EEF stating the economic reality of Brexit?
But Brexit is more than 2 years away how does ANYONE know what will happen between now and then. You should be more worried about the US and Russia putting the boxing gloves back on than Brexit."A very good point,Brexit will happen in its own way and we can do nothing,we have voted and it is up to the government to get the best deal they can for us. | |||
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"So what is a soft brexit then? We keep all the regulations, the movement of people, pay into the EU for access to the single market and give up our share of the EU budget and right to influence any EU decisions. I think maybe brexit will not look quite as appealing when its reality is eventually revealed to the British people. In fact I expect that Boris and Nigel may well decide that they no longer wish to reside in the UK." Well I cant see that happening so its a hard Brexit a clean break. | |||
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"If you ring up sky/bt or most mobile firms and tell them you are off then they will offer you something to stay. Tariffs are in no ones interest but as we import more than we export to the eu they will suffer more and as the pound is lower the will suffer doubly as it will make our exports cheaper their imports dearer. Why do you think the germans wanted the euro so badly ? The Mark wastoo strong and hurting their exports since the euro came into being their industry has benefited hugely, as ours will " Your phone analogy is ridiculous in every sense. You ring up whoever and tell them your off and they offer you a better deal (sometimes if your account makes them enough money) because they have competitors in the market. Who are the EU's competitors? As for your import/export beliefs they are as misplaced as your phone company analogy. If you check you will find that the main EU exports to the UK are food, coal and raw materials for our industries. Our exports to the EU are mainly finished goods. They can easily function without us, we starve without them! I accept the result of the referendum, but please dont insult my intelligence by telling me its all rosy in the garden and going to get better when it is patently obvious to anyone who looks at the evidence objectively it is NOT! As for the Germans wanting the Euro, that was also something that we all needed (but some UK taking the lead) refused because they were too much in the trawl of the USA and almighty $. The EU single market is the same size or bigger than the US economy. However because of the fractured nature of multiple currencies was vulnerable to hostile manipulation of currency markets. The conversion to a single currency has given the EU single market more stability and reduced costs by reducing the need to trade currencies inside the single market reducing costs for all who adopted the Euro. | |||
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"Well I cant see that happening so its a hard Brexit a clean break." Agreed. So head to the top of this thread and read what a hard brexit means and get preparing. Most of my friends are looking to move to places with small communities and a bit of land (5/10 acres) so that when the shit hits the fan they can turtle up and sit out whats coming. I would too if I still had the means. | |||
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"Well I cant see that happening so its a hard Brexit a clean break. Agreed. So head to the top of this thread and read what a hard brexit means and get preparing. Most of my friends are looking to move to places with small communities and a bit of land (5/10 acres) so that when the shit hits the fan they can turtle up and sit out whats coming. I would too if I still had the means." I have a fair idea of what Brexit means does,nt mean it has to be that way though as I said many time a lot can happen in 2 years. | |||
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"What the fuck would be the use of that? It's a remainers wet dream and thankfully will not happen." It prevents unscrupulous importers buying poor quality stuff that you pay over the odds for. Most people appreciate that the fridges, freezers, TV's and other small electrical appliances and service items will work and won't blow up or catch fire. It is actually a perfectly normal requirement that almost every country insists on. The point being is that when these requirements started, we were already in the EU and so the UK does not have a stand alone type certification programme. | |||
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"What the fuck would be the use of that? It's a remainers wet dream and thankfully will not happen. It prevents unscrupulous importers buying poor quality stuff that you pay over the odds for. Most people appreciate that the fridges, freezers, TV's and other small electrical appliances and service items will work and won't blow up or catch fire. It is actually a perfectly normal requirement that almost every country insists on. The point being is that when these requirements started, we were already in the EU and so the UK does not have a stand alone type certification programme." But if we have a separate set to the EU, our manufacturers will have to design and make two sets of goods, driving up the cost. | |||
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"Anyone know what will happen to quality control assurances for future imports post Brexit? At the moment the EU requires CE certification and most companies submit design standards and comply because it is an opportunity to sell into a huge borderless market. How will the stand alone UK manage quality control post Brexit? I am guessing we won't be able to piggy back on what already exists with CE certification unless we pay and we don't have any standards that we can haul back from the 1970's and modernise because in those days they didn't exist." at the moment with the "repeal" act being proposed... all EU law will immediately become UK law at that point.... if after that the EU strengthen their laws... UK exporters are going to have to comply anyway..... so if effect a lot of rules will end up being changed without any UK say.... | |||
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"If you ring up sky/bt or most mobile firms and tell them you are off then they will offer you something to stay. Tariffs are in no ones interest but as we import more than we export to the eu they will suffer more and as the pound is lower the will suffer doubly as it will make our exports cheaper their imports dearer. Why do you think the germans wanted the euro so badly ? The Mark wastoo strong and hurting their exports since the euro came into being their industry has benefited hugely, as ours will Your phone analogy is ridiculous in every sense. You ring up whoever and tell them your off and they offer you a better deal (sometimes if your account makes them enough money) because they have competitors in the market. Who are the EU's competitors? As for your import/export beliefs they are as misplaced as your phone company analogy. If you check you will find that the main EU exports to the UK are food, coal and raw materials for our industries. Our exports to the EU are mainly finished goods. They can easily function without us, we starve without them! I accept the result of the referendum, but please dont insult my intelligence by telling me its all rosy in the garden and going to get better when it is patently obvious to anyone who looks at the evidence objectively it is NOT! As for the Germans wanting the Euro, that was also something that we all needed (but some UK taking the lead) refused because they were too much in the trawl of the USA and almighty $. The EU single market is the same size or bigger than the US economy. However because of the fractured nature of multiple currencies was vulnerable to hostile manipulation of currency markets. The conversion to a single currency has given the EU single market more stability and reduced costs by reducing the need to trade currencies inside the single market reducing costs for all who adopted the Euro. " The EU's competitors are the rest of the world,they need us as much as we need them, as far as I am aware we import over 40 % of the coal we use from russia and the majority of the rest from the US,columbia and oz, so I think your other stats are probably just as dodgy, as for food are you really suggesting they will stop selling us that,that will really help their economies a lot. I for one am very grateful that we arent part of the euro zone its a basket case, half the countries are bust, how much longer will the german people keep bailing it out? | |||
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"There is virtually nothing that British farmers can viably grow that EU farmers can't grow, on the other hand there are multiple instances of produce that British farmers can't viably grow, mainly because of climate.....as a consequence of this we rely heavily on produce imports from within the EU, that will NEVER change. Anyone that truly believes that we will come out of this with a Free Trade deal is sadly deluded, so the widely predicted hikes in food prices are inevitable in the UK in future years. " Go on then me which staples that we eat that cant be grown here? Before you do I will say that there are one or two that they have an advantage in and some we do but I am interested in what you know | |||
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"There is virtually nothing that British farmers can viably grow that EU farmers can't grow, on the other hand there are multiple instances of produce that British farmers can't viably grow, mainly because of climate.....as a consequence of this we rely heavily on produce imports from within the EU, that will NEVER change. Anyone that truly believes that we will come out of this with a Free Trade deal is sadly deluded, so the widely predicted hikes in food prices are inevitable in the UK in future years. Go on then me which staples that we eat that cant be grown here? Before you do I will say that there are one or two that they have an advantage in and some we do but I am interested in what you know" You just want us to eat staples? This is the bright, brilliant post-EU future is it? We'll still have potatoes so who need oranges or rice, is that it? | |||
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"There is virtually nothing that British farmers can viably grow that EU farmers can't grow, on the other hand there are multiple instances of produce that British farmers can't viably grow, mainly because of climate.....as a consequence of this we rely heavily on produce imports from within the EU, that will NEVER change. Anyone that truly believes that we will come out of this with a Free Trade deal is sadly deluded, so the widely predicted hikes in food prices are inevitable in the UK in future years. Go on then me which staples that we eat that cant be grown here? Before you do I will say that there are one or two that they have an advantage in and some we do but I am interested in what you know" I think you are very aware that the British palate has moved on from potatoes, cabbages, and Cox apples....it's not about 'Staples' in a modern Britain, it's about a constant consumer demand for foods that we can't grow here....It's not a post apocalyst Britain we have ahead of us, it's a modern society with consumer demands | |||
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"If you ring up sky/bt or most mobile firms and tell them you are off then they will offer you something to stay. Tariffs are in no ones interest but as we import more than we export to the eu they will suffer more and as the pound is lower the will suffer doubly as it will make our exports cheaper their imports dearer. Why do you think the germans wanted the euro so badly ? The Mark wastoo strong and hurting their exports since the euro came into being their industry has benefited hugely, as ours will Your phone analogy is ridiculous in every sense. You ring up whoever and tell them your off and they offer you a better deal (sometimes if your account makes them enough money) because they have competitors in the market. Who are the EU's competitors? As for your import/export beliefs they are as misplaced as your phone company analogy. If you check you will find that the main EU exports to the UK are food, coal and raw materials for our industries. Our exports to the EU are mainly finished goods. They can easily function without us, we starve without them! I accept the result of the referendum, but please dont insult my intelligence by telling me its all rosy in the garden and going to get better when it is patently obvious to anyone who looks at the evidence objectively it is NOT! As for the Germans wanting the Euro, that was also something that we all needed (but some UK taking the lead) refused because they were too much in the trawl of the USA and almighty $. The EU single market is the same size or bigger than the US economy. However because of the fractured nature of multiple currencies was vulnerable to hostile manipulation of currency markets. The conversion to a single currency has given the EU single market more stability and reduced costs by reducing the need to trade currencies inside the single market reducing costs for all who adopted the Euro. " that is one of the funniest things I've ever read. You really don't understand why the Euro was introduced. But lets look at reality and what the Euro has done for southern Europe. How has it helped? Can you expjain the high unemployment rates throughout southern Europe and the high emigration to the UK? | |||
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"There is virtually nothing that British farmers can viably grow that EU farmers can't grow, on the other hand there are multiple instances of produce that British farmers can't viably grow, mainly because of climate.....as a consequence of this we rely heavily on produce imports from within the EU, that will NEVER change. Anyone that truly believes that we will come out of this with a Free Trade deal is sadly deluded, so the widely predicted hikes in food prices are inevitable in the UK in future years. Go on then me which staples that we eat that cant be grown here? Before you do I will say that there are one or two that they have an advantage in and some we do but I am interested in what you know I think you are very aware that the British palate has moved on from potatoes, cabbages, and Cox apples....it's not about 'Staples' in a modern Britain, it's about a constant consumer demand for foods that we can't grow here....It's not a post apocalyst Britain we have ahead of us, it's a modern society with consumer demands " go on then which ones | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? " The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future?" I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children." So how do you explain Hungry not wanting immigrants has Nigel Farage scared them too. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future?" | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children. So how do you explain Hungry not wanting immigrants has Nigel Farage scared them too. "Hungary isn't anti immigration, it's anti Muslim immigration, they have stated that they don't want Muslims living in Hungary.....but I'm not Hungarian so I have no right to dictate what Hungary should or should not do | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children. So how do you explain Hungry not wanting immigrants has Nigel Farage scared them too.
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children. So how do you explain Hungry not wanting immigrants has Nigel Farage scared them too.
Hungary isn't anti immigration, it's anti Muslim immigration, they have stated that they don't want Muslims living in Hungary.....but I'm not Hungarian so I have no right to dictate what Hungary should or should not do
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump And still BREXITeers dont get it. This is a divorce, we don't get to get away with saying we are divorcing you and we are taking everything, wont be paying maintenance and by the way we will be dropping in to fuck you whenever we want a fuck. In fact having said it we should not be surprised that our wife of 40 years is saying 'fuck off' you not having it your way in fact I am the one setting the terms of the divorce and how much maintenance you pay!!! Now considering that as a whole the EU economy is the 2nd/3rd largest in the world and 40%+ of all our exports are to the EU, while our economy is now 6th, contracting and now accounts for about 10% of EU exports, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you really think we can fuck over the EU they will say that's fine keep the key, pop in and empty your ballbag any time you like. Or do you think they are going to take out the carving knife and slice off our dick and balls? Maybe it is time that the brexit gloaters woke up and realised that the best we can hope for is that if we are really nice and give the EU everything they want without a fight we will not end up homeless and sleeping on a park bench and picking dogends off the pavements!" One thing eu is only worlds 3rd economy because of us it drops way below us when we leave so all due respect we are in a better bargaining position than you would have us believe | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future?" Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? " How would they know that costs will rise?. The performance of the stock market indicates there there are few concerns and out exports are now also more competitive . So called experts are only expressing an opinion. Why should anyone care about what they have to say. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain"" good because when you actually go to Europe or live there as we do for most of the year you will be seen as the buffoon you actually are. Unless you get mugged and filled in by the unemployed and desperate first. Get in the real world | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" good because when you actually go to Europe or live there as we do for most of the year you will be seen as the buffoon you actually are. Unless you get mugged and filled in by the unemployed and desperate first. Get in the real world" Come to the Netherlands. Probably a bit too liberal with our coalition. Drugs and women for the tourists. Great health service and work benefits for the skilled residents. The Dutch have been trading for centuries. Which is why Unilever, Tomato, Booking dot com are very successful Dutch companies and many more. Avoid Spain. Great weather, cheap property and great people but the economy is crap. Great for retiring but bad for a living. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" good because when you actually go to Europe or live there as we do for most of the year you will be seen as the buffoon you actually are. Unless you get mugged and filled in by the unemployed and desperate first. Get in the real world" So you're going for the "well hard BREXIT" where anyone who dares to point out the economic folly of this BREXIT madness is threatened with violence. Well UKIP have really shown us the way in Strasburg this week, haven't they? When your life has been really on the line fighting for something that's actually really worth fighting for then come and make your threats to me. Until then I'll call BREXITers what they really are; a bunch of cowardly traitors who've sold their country, their people and their economy out for a bunch of meaningless slogans and jingoists flag waving. As for being called a buffoon by someone who supports making everyone in this country poorer by at least 30%; I consider that quite a compliment in fact. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" good because when you actually go to Europe or live there as we do for most of the year you will be seen as the buffoon you actually are. Unless you get mugged and filled in by the unemployed and desperate first. Get in the real world Come to the Netherlands. Probably a bit too liberal with our coalition. Drugs and women for the tourists. Great health service and work benefits for the skilled residents. The Dutch have been trading for centuries. Which is why Unilever, Tomato, Booking dot com are very successful Dutch companies and many more. Avoid Spain. Great weather, cheap property and great people but the economy is crap. Great for retiring but bad for a living." Having lived, worked and played in both countries you mention I'd have to agree with what you say, although I think your being a little too harsh on the Spanish. | |||
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"Honestly, I don't think the EU would ever take the UK back in your lifetime.... We'll either succeed, in which case a few other country's may look to follow or we'll fail in which case nobody will and the EU will look to punish to make sure nobody ever does!. I'm afraid that's politics" I agree. I dispute that Brexit means Brexit but out absofuckinglutely will mean out . | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" good because when you actually go to Europe or live there as we do for most of the year you will be seen as the buffoon you actually are. Unless you get mugged and filled in by the unemployed and desperate first. Get in the real world Come to the Netherlands. Probably a bit too liberal with our coalition. Drugs and women for the tourists. Great health service and work benefits for the skilled residents. The Dutch have been trading for centuries. Which is why Unilever, Tomato, Booking dot com are very successful Dutch companies and many more. Avoid Spain. Great weather, cheap property and great people but the economy is crap. Great for retiring but bad for a living. Having lived, worked and played in both countries you mention I'd have to agree with what you say, although I think your being a little too harsh on the Spanish. " True I'm being harsh there. I'm referring to where my parents live where the economy has hit badly. Half million euro Villas are worth 100,000 euros. Although I have a friend in Barcelona who have a great place, great job etc. It depends on the location. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" good because when you actually go to Europe or live there as we do for most of the year you will be seen as the buffoon you actually are. Unless you get mugged and filled in by the unemployed and desperate first. Get in the real world Come to the Netherlands. Probably a bit too liberal with our coalition. Drugs and women for the tourists. Great health service and work benefits for the skilled residents. The Dutch have been trading for centuries. Which is why Unilever, Tomato, Booking dot com are very successful Dutch companies and many more. Avoid Spain. Great weather, cheap property and great people but the economy is crap. Great for retiring but bad for a living. Having lived, worked and played in both countries you mention I'd have to agree with what you say, although I think your being a little too harsh on the Spanish. " Agreed. Spain was good for me when I left the UK recession of the 1990's | |||
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"Honestly, I don't think the EU would ever take the UK back in your lifetime.... We'll either succeed, in which case a few other country's may look to follow or we'll fail in which case nobody will and the EU will look to punish to make sure nobody ever does!. I'm afraid that's politics I agree. I dispute that Brexit means Brexit but out absofuckinglutely will mean out ." . I've always said that with such a close vote something would have to be worked out for both sides... I don't know what that entails to be honest but I think it would be the fair thing to do | |||
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" Agreed. Spain was good for me when I left the UK recession of the 1990's" It comes down to timing, profession and what you value. I speak Spanish so it's easier for me to get a job there. Wanted to live in Malaga years ago during the 2008 recession but the UK offered more then. I'll always reevaluate the situation. But I'm happy with Europe. | |||
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"So what is a soft brexit then? We keep all the regulations, the movement of people, pay into the EU for access to the single market and give up our share of the EU budget and right to influence any EU decisions. I think maybe brexit will not look quite as appealing when its reality is eventually revealed to the British people. In fact I expect that Boris and Nigel may well decide that they no longer wish to reside in the UK." Then there is no point in a soft brexit  hard brexit all the way, I do believe in imagration but people the country actually needs and who actually want to stay and become part of the uk and not here on a 2 year plan to make money to send home building a home in thier own country so not really spending money here.
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"There is so much wrong about the EU, it's in serious need of meaningful reform, I hate the pantomime bureaucracy at times, but my view is that Brexit is going to cause us such economic damage that will be felt for generations to come..... I shake my head in disbelief at some on here harping on about the rise in share values and the strength of the FTSE, it's the diminished strength of the pound and impending inflation rises that will beat the shit out of ordinary working families, a strong share value in the main benefits the wealthy amongst us...not the vast majority of the population. I'm old enough to remember the crash in the Thatcher years, it's not something that I would want the next generation to experience."
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump And still BREXITeers dont get it. This is a divorce, we don't get to get away with saying we are divorcing you and we are taking everything, wont be paying maintenance and by the way we will be dropping in to fuck you whenever we want a fuck. In fact having said it we should not be surprised that our wife of 40 years is saying 'fuck off' you not having it your way in fact I am the one setting the terms of the divorce and how much maintenance you pay!!! Now considering that as a whole the EU economy is the 2nd/3rd largest in the world and 40%+ of all our exports are to the EU, while our economy is now 6th, contracting and now accounts for about 10% of EU exports, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you really think we can fuck over the EU they will say that's fine keep the key, pop in and empty your ballbag any time you like. Or do you think they are going to take out the carving knife and slice off our dick and balls? Maybe it is time that the brexit gloaters woke up and realised that the best we can hope for is that if we are really nice and give the EU everything they want without a fight we will not end up homeless and sleeping on a park bench and picking dogends off the pavements!"  | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain"" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. | |||
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"There is so much wrong about the EU, it's in serious need of meaningful reform, I hate the pantomime bureaucracy at times, but my view is that Brexit is going to cause us such economic damage that will be felt for generations to come..... I shake my head in disbelief at some on here harping on about the rise in share values and the strength of the FTSE, it's the diminished strength of the pound and impending inflation rises that will beat the shit out of ordinary working families, a strong share value in the main benefits the wealthy amongst us...not the vast majority of the population. I'm old enough to remember the crash in the Thatcher years, it's not something that I would want the next generation to experience." The weakened pound makes our exports much more competitive and also encourages tourists to visit the UK. A rising stock exchange helps savers and those who are members of a pension scheme. Why would there be any economic damage ?. All we have to do is adopt the correct marketing for our goods. | |||
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"Radicalised brexitors are living in this fantasy bubble, that everything will be ok, who would take jobs in the fields working for farmers for minimum wage when some immigrants are leaving? I cant see any brits doing it, so you would need to import everything, the prices will be sky high." . Swedes! | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change." Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" I'm pretty sure that Haw Haw (William Joice) was Irish. " Or American if Irish decent | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" I'm pretty sure that Haw Haw (William Joice) was Irish. Or American if Irish decent" He was actually an American born British Subject. His mother was English and his Father Irish (at the time that made both parents British Subjects). When he moved back to Ireland he joined the Black & Tans (unusual for Catholic) and when he moved to England joined the British Union of Fascists. I'm pretty sure, if he'd been alive last June, he would have voted BREXIT to, but then he was a traitor to his own country (Britain, England or Ireland) and his own people, so why wouldn't he? Probably be standing for leader of UKIP if he was around today. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties." How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off ." Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off ." I think you will find that business is very concerned | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that." It is a strange correlation to assume that a falling currrency will equate to higher prices . This would only apply to imports and is compensated for by our exports being more competitive. Other countries will still want to buy our goods and services . | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that." I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. | |||
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"There is so much wrong about the EU, it's in serious need of meaningful reform, I hate the pantomime bureaucracy at times, but my view is that Brexit is going to cause us such economic damage that will be felt for generations to come..... I shake my head in disbelief at some on here harping on about the rise in share values and the strength of the FTSE, it's the diminished strength of the pound and impending inflation rises that will beat the shit out of ordinary working families, a strong share value in the main benefits the wealthy amongst us...not the vast majority of the population. I'm old enough to remember the crash in the Thatcher years, it's not something that I would want the next generation to experience. The weakened pound makes our exports much more competitive and also encourages tourists to visit the UK. A rising stock exchange helps savers and those who are members of a pension scheme. Why would there be any economic damage ?. All we have to do is adopt the correct marketing for our goods. " Britain is a major net importer, particularly and most important in OIL and GAS, both of which are traded in $...... Oil in particular is a deciding factor of any Western economy as it not only affects us at the forecourts but in deliveries of goods to supermarkets and factories. Ordinary average British families don't sink or swim on the strength of the FTSE, it's well documented that high share gains in the main benefit the already wealthy FAR more....average families rely heavily on the strength of the pound as a nation heavily reliant on imports. Inflation is also of massive importance to average British families, any substantial movement in the inflation rate will rebound heavily on the masses. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %." Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. | |||
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"Radicalised brexitors are living in this fantasy bubble, that everything will be ok, who would take jobs in the fields working for farmers for minimum wage when some immigrants are leaving? I cant see any brits doing it, so you would need to import everything, the prices will be sky high.. Swedes!" . They'll be overrun by Moslems soon and they'll all head to the UK to be happy to dig our Moslem free fields for us!!.... Put them muscles to some good use shag and it'll save you going down the gym all the time.... Viola problems solved  | |||
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"Average wages for farm workers in Southern Europe are far lower than those in Britain, this goes a long way to explain why we have so many EU migrants with very good agricultural skills working in our farms. In Spain, Italy, and Portugal for instance many farm workers 'live in' which forms a large part of their wage, making the production of fruit and vegetables far cheaper for Farmers. In Victorian Britain it was much the same way, with farm workers tied cottages the norm in many farms....times have changed here but not so much in Southern Europe. Coupled with a better climate for growing many crops that Brits love to consume but can't viably farm here, British farmers aren't on a level playing field." Your still not naming anything specific, there are a few salad crops that enjoy the southern sun but then of course that can get _oo hot at times and many parts of that area need extensive and expensive irrigation,taste quality is often not as good as as uk produced stuff too, price is the reason supermarkets buy it,perhaps we need to eat foods in season to enjoy the fresh taste better. Apart from olives there is very little that we cant grow,even soya is getting a foothold here now and if climate change does happen will be easier to do, the Uk has huge advantages in producing quality beef, lamb and milk products compared to many of the southern states. Food has become very undervalued in this country we need to learn to pay for better quality but less of it, the countries health would certainly benefit | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain"" The first referendum was to stay in a purely trading block and not some political superstate that the EU has become, if the old common market/EEC was still the same as in 75 then I would have voted to remain but there is no way I would vote to be part of a political ideal that can never work the historical differences between the 28 nations will never allow us to be as one,just look at the Greek mess, they dont have the same work/save ethics as many of the nothern european countries so need different ways of doing things and why would the tax payers of Germany and the UK want to pay for their more relaxed life style we have enough things here to spend our cash on | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties." Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans." You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time." You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? | |||
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump" Agreed. Hard Brexit is the ONLY way to do it. The EU will see that it will damage them far more than it will damage us, and surely cave in. If they don't then yes, there'll be a bit of short-term pain, but we'll then be able to do better FUTURE deals with individual EU countries after they follow our lead and break away from the political dinosaur as it falls apart. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? " Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? " No not really. Why should we listen to the same shit we've all heard from so called "experts" countless times before? We have heard lots of opinions and prophecies of doom from so called "experts" going as far back as the 70's. We were told by the experts that joining the EEC would never mean any loss of sovereignty. That wasn't an opinion it was a downright lie. We were told by the "experts" that not joining the Euro would spell economic disaster for Britain. Thank god we didn't listen, I bet the Greeks wish that they hadn't. More recently we were told during the referendum campaign by the "experts" that all types of catastrophes would befall Britain on a biblical scale if it was a Brexit vote. Funny how they are almost fighting like rats in a sack as to which one of the aforesaid "experts" can backtrack the fastest. Now it's hard or soft Brexit with the same "experts" and the same old, same old "we're arllll doomed" message. Maybe we should have a sweepstake on FAB as to the timing of the next climb down by the "Experts" Because, as usual, they certainly will. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day. "Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better. PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? No not really. Why should we listen to the same shit we've all heard from so called "experts" countless times before? We have heard lots of opinions and prophecies of doom from so called "experts" going as far back as the 70's. We were told by the experts that joining the EEC would never mean any loss of sovereignty. That wasn't an opinion it was a downright lie. We were told by the "experts" that not joining the Euro would spell economic disaster for Britain. Thank god we didn't listen, I bet the Greeks wish that they hadn't. More recently we were told during the referendum campaign by the "experts" that all types of catastrophes would befall Britain on a biblical scale if it was a Brexit vote. Funny how they are almost fighting like rats in a sack as to which one of the aforesaid "experts" can backtrack the fastest. Now it's hard or soft Brexit with the same "experts" and the same old, same old "we're arllll doomed" message. Maybe we should have a sweepstake on FAB as to the timing of the next climb down by the "Experts" Because, as usual, they certainly will. " Your right nothing much will change until spring 2019 when we actually leave the EU yes we may have a hard time for a few years but we will survive and be free of the EU. Of course everything that happens between now and spring of 2019 will be blamed on Brexit. | |||
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"Why would our partners want to damage their economies? It aint gonna happen just cuz some idiots in Brussels have got the hump Agreed. Hard Brexit is the ONLY way to do it. The EU will see that it will damage them far more than it will damage us, and surely cave in. If they don't then yes, there'll be a bit of short-term pain, but we'll then be able to do better FUTURE deals with individual EU countries after they follow our lead and break away from the political dinosaur as it falls apart."
and 30 non EU countries have issued a warning to Brussels that if you punish Britain we will punish you. It raises the prospect of Brussels being forced to broker fresh deals with trading partners or be sued for breach of contract. When they signed trade deals with the EU they understood it would include Britain, so any change to the terms Britain already has with the EU will adversely affect those other non EU countries too. Stop worrying folks, it aint gonna happen, its all bluster and threat from a bargaining starting position | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time." I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me."I did,nt call you any name unlike you no one who voted Leave is a traitor the UK had a democratic vote that YOU will not accept which means if anyone is a traitor it YOU. Thank you for the ball I,ll give it to my German Shepherd dog. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.""Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite. You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin." I do believe I read somewhere that Trump got on well with Putin but I have not heard or seen anything about any so called Brexiters having a good word to say about him. | |||
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"Radicalised brexitors are living in this fantasy bubble, that everything will be ok, who would take jobs in the fields working for farmers for minimum wage when some immigrants are leaving? I cant see any brits doing it, so you would need to import everything, the prices will be sky high.. Swedes!. They'll be overrun by Moslems soon and they'll all head to the UK to be happy to dig our Moslem free fields for us!!.... Put them muscles to some good use shag and it'll save you going down the gym all the time.... Viola problems solved "lol they wont as the swedish democrats is on the rise although I reckon the uk will get some illegals from korea to do the fields, it was on a documentary about it that some have them. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
I did,nt call you any name unlike you no one who voted Leave is a traitor the UK had a democratic vote that YOU will not accept which means if anyone is a traitor it YOU.
Thank you for the ball I,ll give it to my German Shepherd dog. "I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally.  | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin. I do believe I read somewhere that Trump got on well with Putin but I have not heard or seen anything about any so called Brexiters having a good word to say about him." Then look a little harder Nigel Farage: I admire Vladimir Putin https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/31/farage-i-admire-putin Why I admire Putin, by Farage: read:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593006/Why-I-admire-Putin-Farage-Ukip-leader-praises-Russian-President-superb-operator-outwitted-West.html | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
I did,nt call you any name unlike you no one who voted Leave is a traitor the UK had a democratic vote that YOU will not accept which means if anyone is a traitor it YOU.
Thank you for the ball I,ll give it to my German Shepherd dog.
I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted.
I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally. "The EU is nothing like what it was in the 70s and you know it, getting 8 to 10 countries to agree is lot easier than getting 28 to agree. No doubt he will ruin it as that is the nature of the beast although he does,nt mind sharing with other dogs. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin. I do believe I read somewhere that Trump got on well with Putin but I have not heard or seen anything about any so called Brexiters having a good word to say about him. Then look a little harder Nigel Farage: I admire Vladimir Putin https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/31/farage-i-admire-putin Why I admire Putin, by Farage: read:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593006/Why-I-admire-Putin-Farage-Ukip-leader-praises-Russian-President-superb-operator-outwitted-West.html " Yes Farage says he admires Putin as an operator. What is wrong with that? Putin is a good operator and has outmanoeuvred the USA and many other countries on many occasions. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin. I do believe I read somewhere that Trump got on well with Putin but I have not heard or seen anything about any so called Brexiters having a good word to say about him. Then look a little harder Nigel Farage: I admire Vladimir Putin https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/31/farage-i-admire-putin Why I admire Putin, by Farage: read:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593006/Why-I-admire-Putin-Farage-Ukip-leader-praises-Russian-President-superb-operator-outwitted-West.html " To admire someone does,nt mean you like them he could be admiring anything about him, I,v not read it so I can,t say any more but just because one main Brexiter admires him does mean all of us do. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin. I do believe I read somewhere that Trump got on well with Putin but I have not heard or seen anything about any so called Brexiters having a good word to say about him. Then look a little harder Nigel Farage: I admire Vladimir Putin https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/31/farage-i-admire-putin Why I admire Putin, by Farage: read:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593006/Why-I-admire-Putin-Farage-Ukip-leader-praises-Russian-President-superb-operator-outwitted-West.html Yes Farage says he admires Putin as an operator. What is wrong with that? Putin is a good operator and has outmanoeuvred the USA and many other countries on many occasions. " But he,s a Brexiter traitor. | |||
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" I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally. "In 1975, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. The majority voted to join the common market. In 2016, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. They voted to exit the EU. The EU is very different to the common market. | |||
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". I think you'll find that Uncle Dobby (AKA Vlad the dictator) has had more than a hand in both Trump and Ukip. We really should be looking a lot more closely at exactly where the money for both campaigns has come from. Maybe we'll find out why both BREXITers and Trump supporters always talk so highly about Mr. Putin." . Yes let's also look at where Clinton's funds come from and the Tories.... People make a lot of fuss about labour being bankrolled from unions for some good reasons and some pretty shitty ones.. But we at least know where they get their main wonga from, let's open up all the political parties fundings I'd be very intrigued to see them | |||
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" I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally.
In 1975, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. The majority voted to join the common market.
In 2016, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. They voted to exit the EU.
The EU is very different to the common market."of course it is. That is a stupid arguement, the EU didn't even exist until 1993. | |||
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" I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally.
In 1975, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. The majority voted to join the common market.
In 2016, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. They voted to exit the EU.
The EU is very different to the common market.
of course it is. That is a stupid arguement, the EU didn't even exist until 1993."So as long as the EU changes it's name we can join that organisation as you voted to leave the European Union not the "Union of Europe" or whatever the next phase will be, right? | |||
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" I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally.
In 1975, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. The majority voted to join the common market.
In 2016, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. They voted to exit the EU.
The EU is very different to the common market.
of course it is. That is a stupid arguement, the EU didn't even exist until 1993.
So as long as the EU changes it's name we can join that organisation as you voted to leave the European Union not the "Union of Europe" or whatever the next phase will be, right? "I am unsure about the point you are making. In 1975, we voted to join a common market. A trading agreement. That is all it was then and I, too, if I had been old enough, would have voted positively. We did not have the chance - until this year - of voting whether we should be part of a much larger unified Europe. We decided not to be a member of the EU. Where is the ambiguity? | |||
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" I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally.
In 1975, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. The majority voted to join the common market.
In 2016, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. They voted to exit the EU.
The EU is very different to the common market.
of course it is. That is a stupid arguement, the EU didn't even exist until 1993.
So as long as the EU changes it's name we can join that organisation as you voted to leave the European Union not the "Union of Europe" or whatever the next phase will be, right? "So you think it was just a change of name? Kinda tells us your understanding of things | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. " Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland. | |||
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"You all chat shit !!! Farmers will become rich and supermarkets will fail Farmers in Britain will raise more stock for supply and demand ! But since all you have been buying forgein food for years out of the supermarkets and actually sending money "outside of the uk" you've made "fat cats" rich and British farmers poor !!! What's your excuse for this? Absolute twaddle! The UK has not been able to feed itself since the population explosion that accompanied the industrial revolution. Fact is we are only just realising how much damage has been caused by the use of intensive monoculture farming and we still don't know if we will be able to reverse the collapse in population of pollinating insects. The idea the British farmers can take up the slack and feed the country is not just laughable it is insane." So you don't have a plant pot ? You telling me you can't grow your own potatoes ? Next you'll be telling me you can't peel a spud either ..... Now that not just insane it's actually laughable  | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included."Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason. Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy. Treason: The action of betraying someone or something. Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state. Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. | |||
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" I no more or less respect the result of this second referendum than BREXITers accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975. Democracy does not stop now just because you got the result of making your country poorer this time, which is what you wanted. I hope your German Shepherd enjoys the ball. Please let him know that it was donated to him by a person who is willing to share their ball with German Shepherds, French Poodles or British Bulldogs equally.
In 1975, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. The majority voted to join the common market.
In 2016, those who were eligible to vote and voted did so. They voted to exit the EU.
The EU is very different to the common market.
of course it is. That is a stupid arguement, the EU didn't even exist until 1993.
So as long as the EU changes it's name we can join that organisation as you voted to leave the European Union not the "Union of Europe" or whatever the next phase will be, right?
So you think it was just a change of name? Kinda tells us your understanding of things"When we voted in 1975 to join the Common Market it was clear at the time that we were joining more than just a customs union. It was clear right from the start that a common market would require a common set of rules. Anyone who tries to tell you different is simply lying to you. The EU is the natural progression from the EEC/EC as the common/single market actually became a reality in more and more areas. You can not have a common or single market without a common and single set of rules. This was as obvious and clear in 1975 as it is now. If anything the electorate in 1975 understood just exactly what they were voting for far more clearly than we do now in 2016 because, let's face it, most of us still have no clear idea what BREXIT (hard, soft, clean or light) actually means. | |||
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"You all chat shit !!! Farmers will become rich and supermarkets will fail Farmers in Britain will raise more stock for supply and demand ! But since all you have been buying forgein food for years out of the supermarkets and actually sending money "outside of the uk" you've made "fat cats" rich and British farmers poor !!! What's your excuse for this? Absolute twaddle! The UK has not been able to feed itself since the population explosion that accompanied the industrial revolution. Fact is we are only just realising how much damage has been caused by the use of intensive monoculture farming and we still don't know if we will be able to reverse the collapse in population of pollinating insects. The idea the British farmers can take up the slack and feed the country is not just laughable it is insane. So you don't have a plant pot ? You telling me you can't grow your own potatoes ? Next you'll be telling me you can't peel a spud either ..... Now that not just insane it's actually laughable "What is laughable is the 'Little Britain' belief that the population wants to go back to the days of a staple diet of cabbages and potatoes, cox apples and pears.....we have evolved to the point where we want to spend our hard earned money on produce that comes from outside of Britain, in the main from within the EU. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition."Calm down. The EU will crumble anyway. I was not suggesting armed war. Sedition? Nope. Following a democratically held referendum result? Yes. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition."Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland." CLCC you read everything wrong when it suits you as for NATO being better placed yes they are if you want another world war. I was only pointing out there are far bigger things to worry about than Brexit but that does,nt matter in your view. | |||
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"Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off. " Sorry, can I just take you back to the OP? "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So the CBI and EEF (and LOADS of others) are saying we will be worse off. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition."If that were the case then 17.2 million people should be in the dock under those charges, as I told you earlier the only traitors are those who continue to try and divide the country even more that means YOU the vote went against you live with it. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland. CLCC you read everything wrong when it suits you as for NATO being better placed yes they are if you want another world war. I was only pointing out there are far bigger things to worry about than Brexit but that does,nt matter in your view." So we can all see how much political attention and energy is going to be focused on Brexit over the next 2 and a half years, if you think that the situation with Russia is more important, and more demanding of our attention, you must therefore agree that we should hold off on any Brexit negotiations until relations with Russia have improved. Right Doggy? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland. CLCC you read everything wrong when it suits you as for NATO being better placed yes they are if you want another world war. I was only pointing out there are far bigger things to worry about than Brexit but that does,nt matter in your view. So we can all see how much political attention and energy is going to be focused on Brexit over the next 2 and a half years, if you think that the situation with Russia is more important, and more demanding of our attention, you must therefore agree that we should hold off on any Brexit negotiations until relations with Russia have improved. Right Doggy? "Wrong you fool the situation with Russia should be a concern for everyone Nothing is going to happen with Brexit for 5 months stop trying to be smart your not and most on here know it. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland. CLCC you read everything wrong when it suits you as for NATO being better placed yes they are if you want another world war. I was only pointing out there are far bigger things to worry about than Brexit but that does,nt matter in your view. So we can all see how much political attention and energy is going to be focused on Brexit over the next 2 and a half years, if you think that the situation with Russia is more important, and more demanding of our attention, you must therefore agree that we should hold off on any Brexit negotiations until relations with Russia have improved. Right Doggy?
Wrong you fool the situation with Russia should be a concern for everyone Nothing is going to happen with Brexit for 5 months stop trying to be smart your not and most on here know it. "So you think we can nip this Russia situation in the bud and then carry on as planned with Brexit huh? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland. CLCC you read everything wrong when it suits you as for NATO being better placed yes they are if you want another world war. I was only pointing out there are far bigger things to worry about than Brexit but that does,nt matter in your view. So we can all see how much political attention and energy is going to be focused on Brexit over the next 2 and a half years, if you think that the situation with Russia is more important, and more demanding of our attention, you must therefore agree that we should hold off on any Brexit negotiations until relations with Russia have improved. Right Doggy?
Wrong you fool the situation with Russia should be a concern for everyone Nothing is going to happen with Brexit for 5 months stop trying to be smart your not and most on here know it.
So you think we can nip this Russia situation in the bud and then carry on as planned with Brexit huh? "I never said anything of the sort you twist peoples posts with your twisted mind just to get a negative reaction so from now on you will be ignored. Please do not reply to this post. Have nice evening | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. How could we possibly be 30 % poorer ?. If we are or it is going to happen, no one has noticed and business is not too concerned. In the long term we will be better off . Because the value of our currency has fallen by 30%. Don't you listen to the news? The pound has fallen so low that, even though the FT share index is at the highest its ever been the value of those stocks in $'s is still lower than it was before June. How will we be better of when we will no longer be able to trade freely with the largest market on earth? You may get a cheer from the NTEXIT traitors by just saying "in the long term we'll be better of" but those of us not willing to sell our own country and people out for a meaningless slogan like that would like to know how exactly reducing trade with the richest, biggest and nearest market we have is going to actually deliver that. I tbought that the fall in currency values was about 18 %. i.e. a drop from. 1.40 to 1.15. This can hardly equate to 30 %. Oh, that's alright then, you only voted to make your people and country nearly 20% worse off. I'm sure they'll thankyou for that. As for your comment that there is no correlation between massively devaluing your currency and massive inflation; try telling that to the people of Zimbabwe, or the people of Germany in the 1930's, or even the people of the UK back in the 60's when Harold Wilson massively devalued which lead directly to the massive inflation of the 70's. The pound in your pocket is already worth way less than it was and, the more BREXIT we do the worse it will get. You can't fool or buck the markets with meaning slogans. You should be more concerned about Putin he is on Polands doorstep right now. There may not be an EU in 2 years time. You know it's quite a well observed tactic when domestic policy is going to shit to point to something external, is that why you are trying to get us to look at Putin? If you think that the EU is going to collapse, then there was absolutely no reason to pull us out of it was there? Yes there was it will not collapse in one movement Italy are in the shit like Greece once we are out we will not have to bale them out anymore. As for distracting you away from the EU I was,nt I was pointing out THERE is a bigger threat on Polands door step than Brexit will ever be but your so wrapped up in your wonderful EU cant see it. Doggy it sounds as though you think that there should be an EU Army to defend against the Russians? Perhaps I am just reading your post wrong, but I think NATO is much better placed for that role. Again, perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I am much more concerned about the effect of Brexit on the UK than I am on Poland. CLCC you read everything wrong when it suits you as for NATO being better placed yes they are if you want another world war. I was only pointing out there are far bigger things to worry about than Brexit but that does,nt matter in your view. So we can all see how much political attention and energy is going to be focused on Brexit over the next 2 and a half years, if you think that the situation with Russia is more important, and more demanding of our attention, you must therefore agree that we should hold off on any Brexit negotiations until relations with Russia have improved. Right Doggy?
Wrong you fool the situation with Russia should be a concern for everyone Nothing is going to happen with Brexit for 5 months stop trying to be smart your not and most on here know it.
So you think we can nip this Russia situation in the bud and then carry on as planned with Brexit huh?
I never said anything of the sort you twist peoples posts with your twisted mind just to get a negative reaction so from now on you will be ignored. Please do not reply to this post.
Have nice evening "So it's not going to be nipped in the bud, that's a shame. Well as you wish Doggy, we'll put Brexit on hold until we can sort out this Russia situation as its much more important obviously than Brexit. I'm not twisting anything, I am simply following your own logic. If I am incorrect, perhaps it is because you are struggling to express yourself clearly and coherently, it would be unfair to project your failings on to me. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off. "How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off.
How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich?"Who said that we would reduce trade with the current EU countries . They will still need our goods . | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off.
How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich?Who said that we would reduce trade with the current EU countries . They will still need our goods . "Because there will be tariffs, making it more expensive, that will negatively effect trade, as it says in the OP! | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off.
How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich?Who said that we would reduce trade with the current EU countries . They will still need our goods . "No they won't still need our goods. And why would a company like Nissan build a factory here which would give them unrestricted access to market of 60 million but 10% tariff with 500 million when they can just as easily build a factory almost anywhere in Europe that would give them unrestricted trade with 500 million and tariff trade with 50 million. You've sold your country out for a load of meaningless slogans, nothing more. We have no more control of our destiny now than we did on the 22 June and we'll have even less once article 50 is actually triggered. If the hard BREXITers get their way we won't even be in a customs union with the EU. That will put us in a worse position to trade with the EU than even Turkey. When the BREXITers told us that other countries in Europe were all part of a massive Free Trade area that stretched from Iceland to Turkey they never said that they would be working to make sure we weren't in it. Bit like the £350 million lie. Deceitful, dishonest and treacherous but then that's BREXIT and its supporters all other really, isn't it? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off.
How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich?Who said that we would reduce trade with the current EU countries . They will still need our goods .
No they won't still need our goods. And why would a company like Nissan build a factory here which would give them unrestricted access to market of 60 million but 10% tariff with 500 million when they can just as easily build a factory almost anywhere in Europe that would give them unrestricted trade with 500 million and tariff trade with 50 million. You've sold your country out for a load of meaningless slogans, nothing more. We have no more control of our destiny now than we did on the 22 June and we'll have even less once article 50 is actually triggered. If the hard BREXITers get their way we won't even be in a customs union with the EU. That will put us in a worse position to trade with the EU than even Turkey.
When the BREXITers told us that other countries in Europe were all part of a massive Free Trade area that stretched from Iceland to Turkey they never said that they would be working to make sure we weren't in it. Bit like the £350 million lie. Deceitful, dishonest and treacherous but then that's BREXIT and its supporters all other really, isn't it?"Schoolboy error there, as when we leave the EU then they won't have a market of 500 million people. You just said it yourself the UK has a market of 60 million so when we leave the EU market will be 440 million. I guess basic maths realy is beyond the capability of some Remainers though. Then you've got the gall to talk about deceit and you've just tried to deceive people into thinking the EU will have a market of 500 million after we have left, LOL. As for lies and worthless slogans we also had plenty of that from the Remain campaign during the referendum. The bogus £4300 a year worse off figure by the year 2030 and the emergency budget bollocks spouted by George Osborne to name just 2 of the lies. Also once we have left the EU we will be taking back control of our country when we can make our own immigration policy instead of having it dictated to us by Brussels and we can once again make our own laws and throw out over regulated EU law which will no longer be relevant here in the UK. | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off.
How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich?Who said that we would reduce trade with the current EU countries . They will still need our goods .
No they won't still need our goods. And why would a company like Nissan build a factory here which would give them unrestricted access to market of 60 million but 10% tariff with 500 million when they can just as easily build a factory almost anywhere in Europe that would give them unrestricted trade with 500 million and tariff trade with 50 million. You've sold your country out for a load of meaningless slogans, nothing more. We have no more control of our destiny now than we did on the 22 June and we'll have even less once article 50 is actually triggered. If the hard BREXITers get their way we won't even be in a customs union with the EU. That will put us in a worse position to trade with the EU than even Turkey.
When the BREXITers told us that other countries in Europe were all part of a massive Free Trade area that stretched from Iceland to Turkey they never said that they would be working to make sure we weren't in it. Bit like the £350 million lie. Deceitful, dishonest and treacherous but then that's BREXIT and its supporters all other really, isn't it?
Schoolboy error there, as when we leave the EU then they won't have a market of 500 million people. You just said it yourself the UK has a market of 60 million so when we leave the EU market will be 440 million. I guess basic maths realy is beyond the capability of some Remainers though. Then you've got the gall to talk about deceit and you've just tried to deceive people into thinking the EU will have a market of 500 million after we have left, LOL.
As for lies and worthless slogans we also had plenty of that from the Remain campaign during the referendum. The bogus £4300 a year worse off figure by the year 2030 and the emergency budget bollocks spouted by George Osborne to name just 2 of the lies.
Also once we have left the EU we will be taking back control of our country when we can make our own immigration policy instead of having it dictated to us by Brussels and we can once again make our own laws and throw out over regulated EU law which will no longer be relevant here in the UK.
"How are either of those lies? George Osborn wojld have done an emergency budget but was sacked, and how do you know how much it will have cost us by 2030 when its 2016? Those were government figures, if you dont trust the government, then why did you vote to give them more power? Or did you vote for Parliament to have more power? The same parliament that you now don't want to debate or vote on Brexit? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? Never, and why should we. BRECITers never accepted the result of the first referendum back in 1975 and have winged on about it for over 40 years. Now you've won the second referendum on our membership (by a whisker) you seem to think that that's, the end of the matter. Well it isn't. Democracy goes on. It doesn't stop just because you got the result you want. Even if it takes another 40 years or more (which, as the economic catastrophe that BREXIY actually is becomes more and more apparent over time I doubt it will) I, and many other pro-EU supporters, will continue to oppose are leaving the EU and, when we do actually leave, campaign and work towards our eventual reentry back into the EU and the European family. Why? Because we're real patriots who want what's best for Britain, its economy and it's people, unlike the BREXITers who've sold their country and people out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving. Biggest bunch of traitors to the UK since Lord Haw-Haw I'm already getting a bumper sticker made to put on the back of my car saying "Don't blame me! I voted Remain" The only traitors are people like you we had a democratic vote over 3 months ago and yet you still think you can change the result. Get behind your country instead of whinging about something you cant change. Unlike you BREXIT traitor who winged about the result of the first referendum for 40 years and undermined the British economy all that time just because you didn't have enough faith in your own country and its people to believe they could compete successfully in Europe, and then you voted to make everyone in the country 30% poorer. Don't give me your perfetic logic about remainers talking the economy down when you've just actually voted it down in the biggest act of treachery against the British people since the unmasking of the English traitors at Dover before Agincourt. We are all 30% poorer already thanks to you lot selling us all out for some meaningless slogans and a bit of jingoistic flag waving. Well done. Bloody BREXIT numpties. Its whinged not winged, well I,m not 30% poor and I,v not heard ANYONE else say they are either, your talking like a spoilt little brat that has had his bat and ball taken off him grow up and accept WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. Have a nice day.
Being called anything bad by a traitor to their own people and country only makes me feel happy. Calling me names because I won't go along with you lot selling your country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans won't stop me calling BREXITers out for what they are, a bunch of self serving, seditious traitors who are hell bent on creating division and dis unity not just within Europe but within the UK to. You actually knowingly voted to make everyone in your own country poorer and worse off, how much more treacherous than that could you ever possibly get. So call me any name you want, you're still a traitor to your people and country and personality I'd rather be a person who makes a few spelling mistakes than a person who sells his own people out just to make themselves feel better.
PS. You can keep the ball, it's not important to me.
"Traitor?" Really? How does voting to take back sovereignty count as treachery? Surely, it is the opposite.
You can criticise Brexiters for many things, but treachery surely cannot be included.
Treachery: Violation of faith, betrayal of trust. An act of perfidy or treason.
Perfidy: The state of being deceitful or untrustworthy.
Treason: The action of betraying someone or something.
Sedition: Speach, behaviour or actions directed against the peace of the state or to cause division amongst the people of the state.
Tell me how supporting something you know will cause everyone in your own country to be worse of is not treachory. And then trying to plame people who are not ethnically British but legally here is not sedition. Who said that we would be worse off ..In the long term we will be better off.
How will we be better of? Unless we're in some kind of single or common market, which means accepting a single and common set of rules made by someone, then we won't have the same level of unrestricted trade that we now have within the EU. And even if we manage to create some kind of Commonwealth single market, all those Commonwealth countries are much further away than the EU and, mostly, a lot less prosperous. So tell how reducing our trade with the largest, richest and closest market to us is going to make us more successful or rich?Who said that we would reduce trade with the current EU countries . They will still need our goods .
No they won't still need our goods. And why would a company like Nissan build a factory here which would give them unrestricted access to market of 60 million but 10% tariff with 500 million when they can just as easily build a factory almost anywhere in Europe that would give them unrestricted trade with 500 million and tariff trade with 50 million. You've sold your country out for a load of meaningless slogans, nothing more. We have no more control of our destiny now than we did on the 22 June and we'll have even less once article 50 is actually triggered. If the hard BREXITers get their way we won't even be in a customs union with the EU. That will put us in a worse position to trade with the EU than even Turkey.
When the BREXITers told us that other countries in Europe were all part of a massive Free Trade area that stretched from Iceland to Turkey they never said that they would be working to make sure we weren't in it. Bit like the £350 million lie. Deceitful, dishonest and treacherous but then that's BREXIT and its supporters all other really, isn't it?
Schoolboy error there, as when we leave the EU then they won't have a market of 500 million people. You just said it yourself the UK has a market of 60 million so when we leave the EU market will be 440 million. I guess basic maths realy is beyond the capability of some Remainers though. Then you've got the gall to talk about deceit and you've just tried to deceive people into thinking the EU will have a market of 500 million after we have left, LOL.
As for lies and worthless slogans we also had plenty of that from the Remain campaign during the referendum. The bogus £4300 a year worse off figure by the year 2030 and the emergency budget bollocks spouted by George Osborne to name just 2 of the lies.
Also once we have left the EU we will be taking back control of our country when we can make our own immigration policy instead of having it dictated to us by Brussels and we can once again make our own laws and throw out over regulated EU law which will no longer be relevant here in the UK.
How are either of those lies? George Osborn wojld have done an emergency budget but was sacked, and how do you know how much it will have cost us by 2030 when its 2016? Those were government figures, if you dont trust the government, then why did you vote to give them more power? Or did you vote for Parliament to have more power? The same parliament that you now don't want to debate or vote on Brexit? "The new chancellor Philip Hammond said an emergency budget was not needed after the Brexit vote. It was a scaremongering lie from George Osborne. The £4300 worse off figure was a worthless slogan and you know it. I've also never voted for this government I voted Ukip at the last 2 general elections. A vote to Leave in the referendum was also a vote against the government, the government position in the referendum was Remain. Also we don't need a vote on Brexit in parliament because Parliament already voted with a clear majority to let the people decide in a referendum and the country voted Leave with 52% | |||
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".................. The new chancellor Philip Hammond said an emergency budget was not needed after the Brexit vote. It was a scaremongering lie from George Osborne. The £4300 worse off figure was a worthless slogan and you know it................... " There was a de facto emergency budget because Philip Hammond immediately abandoned the policy to balance the books by 2020. Had that policy remained in place there would have had to be a budget. You doubt the £4,300 worse off figure but just wait until the effects of the sliding £GBP come in to play - Q4 2016 & Q1 2017 inflationary figures. A sliding £GBP wholly and exclusively makes exporting companies more profitable. Every living person in this country will be worse off because of a weak £GBP because alnmost everything that we consume is imported and the oil that is used to transport those goods is paid for in $USD. £GBP right now is weak, subject to attack and extremely volatile because of uncertainty about the future prospects of the UK economy. I actually think that unless the slide on the £GBP is halted quite soon the Government will face some serious questions in Parliament that could very easily lead to a vote of no confidence. A weak and sliding currency is the very worst thing for citizens of any country to have to face because it makes them poorer by the day. The cause of this particular slide is entirely preventable and that is why questions will be asked unless the slide stops very soon. | |||
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"Like that one with regard one person being passed off in the relationship. Could not have put it better. Also you want everything but not giving anything back. Trade deals / free borders. Europe just not going to do it. " yes they will otherwise other non EU countries who have a deal with the EU will sue for billions for breach of contract | |||
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"Like that one with regard one person being passed off in the relationship. Could not have put it better. Also you want everything but not giving anything back. Trade deals / free borders. Europe just not going to do it. yes they will otherwise other non EU countries who have a deal with the EU will sue for billions for breach of contract" Are you going to provide any proof of that? | |||
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"You know what .... I hate politics !!! And I hate all the left wing fuckers for making the right wingers - racists !!! As they put it !!! " Well I'm not a left wing fucker, I'm a right wing fucker and I don't call anyone a racist. I do call BREXIT supporters seditious traitors because that's what they are. Seditious because they are hell bent on creating division not just amongst the people of the EU but also the people of the UK who are either British or have a legal right to be here. Traitors because they have deliberately acted in a way that will harm and damage to the nation and its peoples. They are also hell bent on subverting our parliamentary democracy. They've sold their own people and country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans and jingoist flag waving. How much more treacherous could you ever possibly get than that? | |||
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"You know what .... I hate politics !!! And I hate all the left wing fuckers for making the right wingers - racists !!! As they put it !!! Well I'm not a left wing fucker, I'm a right wing fucker and I don't call anyone a racist. I do call BREXIT supporters seditious traitors because that's what they are. Seditious because they are hell bent on creating division not just amongst the people of the EU but also the people of the UK who are either British or have a legal right to be here. Traitors because they have deliberately acted in a way that will harm and damage to the nation and its peoples. They are also hell bent on subverting our parliamentary democracy. They've sold their own people and country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans and jingoist flag waving. How much more treacherous could you ever possibly get than that?" The only people creating division now are the Remainers who refuse to accept the result of a perfectly legal free and fair referendum, and they want to subvert democracy and go against the wishes of the majority 52% who voted leave. No surprise really as the EU is fundamentally undemocratic anyway so no wonder they feel at home there. They want to keep us in an undemocratic, failing, stagnating, out of touch and out of date EU, whose grand vision is a federal Europe (a united states of Europe) where all nation states sovereignty is removed and all laws are made in Brussels and all power is centralised in Brussels. Remainers are hell bent on giving away our parliamentary democracy to Brussels and there by would ultimately destroy our parliamentary democracy. That is far more treacherous in my view. | |||
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"Like that one with regard one person being passed off in the relationship. Could not have put it better. Also you want everything but not giving anything back. Trade deals / free borders. Europe just not going to do it. yes they will otherwise other non EU countries who have a deal with the EU will sue for billions for breach of contract Are you going to provide any proof of that?" The difference between a sensible and rational person and one who is driven by mindless idealism is that the sensible person will evaluate their position based on facts. The idealist will ignore evidence and make up an imaginary world that fits their ideology and no amount of contrary, factual evidence would change their mind. | |||
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"You know what .... I hate politics !!! And I hate all the left wing fuckers for making the right wingers - racists !!! As they put it !!! Well I'm not a left wing fucker, I'm a right wing fucker and I don't call anyone a racist. I do call BREXIT supporters seditious traitors because that's what they are. Seditious because they are hell bent on creating division not just amongst the people of the EU but also the people of the UK who are either British or have a legal right to be here. Traitors because they have deliberately acted in a way that will harm and damage to the nation and its peoples. They are also hell bent on subverting our parliamentary democracy. They've sold their own people and country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans and jingoist flag waving. How much more treacherous could you ever possibly get than that?"
I'm not sure if it's interesting or disturbing that since the referendum I'm being constantly derided as a liberal leftie. Brexit has emboldened the scum of the right, just as Corbyn has emboldened the scum of the left. There's little left for people who have centre ground views and that is depressing. | |||
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"Like that one with regard one person being passed off in the relationship. Could not have put it better. Also you want everything but not giving anything back. Trade deals / free borders. Europe just not going to do it. yes they will otherwise other non EU countries who have a deal with the EU will sue for billions for breach of contract Are you going to provide any proof of that? The difference between a sensible and rational person and one who is driven by mindless idealism is that the sensible person will evaluate their position based on facts. The idealist will ignore evidence and make up an imaginary world that fits their ideology and no amount of contrary, factual evidence would change their mind." the evidence of what I said is there if you care to look. How can anyone prove anything here | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children. So how do you explain Hungry not wanting immigrants has Nigel Farage scared them too.
Hungary isn't anti immigration, it's anti Muslim immigration, they have stated that they don't want Muslims living in Hungary.....but I'm not Hungarian so I have no right to dictate what Hungary should or should not do
And is that not against EU law?"Hungary have come under pressure for its handling of europe’s mass migration crisis as it is at the front of all the mess of it, they are setting a good example of how to handle the situation, as it is the only country that is defending christianity. | |||
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"You know what .... I hate politics !!! And I hate all the left wing fuckers for making the right wingers - racists !!! As they put it !!! Well I'm not a left wing fucker, I'm a right wing fucker and I don't call anyone a racist. I do call BREXIT supporters seditious traitors because that's what they are. Seditious because they are hell bent on creating division not just amongst the people of the EU but also the people of the UK who are either British or have a legal right to be here. Traitors because they have deliberately acted in a way that will harm and damage to the nation and its peoples. They are also hell bent on subverting our parliamentary democracy. They've sold their own people and country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans and jingoist flag waving. How much more treacherous could you ever possibly get than that?" I thought that Brexit supporters were opened minded individuals who realized that trading on a world wide basis is better than being entirely dependent on Europe. They have voted for both a better economy and contolled immigration. Brexit voters want a better economy . A lot of those who voted remain seem to be totally intolerant of other peoples opinions and think that they know best . | |||
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".... Brexit voters want a better economy... " What does a better economy mean? Better than it is at the moment? Presumably that will mean more immigration than we have now in order to feed the jobs that will be created in this better economy? | |||
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"Business leaders plead against 'hard' Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37592866 The CBI and manufacturers group EEF are begging the government not to follow a hard Brexit saying that it will meaning cost an extra 20% for food and drinks, and an extra 10% for car manufacturers. "Every credible study that has been conducted has shown that [the] WTO optionwould do serious and lasting damage to theUK economy and those of our trading partners." So will Brexiters finally listen? The return of Project Fear. When will those who voted remain - I will refrain from name calling - finally listen to the referendum result, stop bitching and moaning and crack on with planning for an independent future? I believe the real 'Project Fear' was the fear that Farage and Co. spread amongst the nation regarding immigration.....and as a tax payer and citizen of Britain I'm perfectly entitled to question the financial future of my country, the referendum result doesn't take away my right to be concerned for my future and the future of my children. So how do you explain Hungry not wanting immigrants has Nigel Farage scared them too.
Hungary isn't anti immigration, it's anti Muslim immigration, they have stated that they don't want Muslims living in Hungary.....but I'm not Hungarian so I have no right to dictate what Hungary should or should not do
And is that not against EU law?Hungary have come under pressure for its handling of europe’s mass migration crisis as it is at the front of all the mess of it, they are setting a good example of how to handle the situation, as it is the only country that is defending christianity."Well unlike Hungary the leading European nations are all well established multicultural countries, the reality is Britain has been a nation of immigrants for centuries, and it's all the better for it. | |||
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".................. The new chancellor Philip Hammond said an emergency budget was not needed after the Brexit vote. It was a scaremongering lie from George Osborne. The £4300 worse off figure was a worthless slogan and you know it................... There was a de facto emergency budget because Philip Hammond immediately abandoned the policy to balance the books by 2020. Had that policy remained in place there would have had to be a budget. You doubt the £4,300 worse off figure but just wait until the effects of the sliding £GBP come in to play - Q4 2016 & Q1 2017 inflationary figures. A sliding £GBP wholly and exclusively makes exporting companies more profitable. Every living person in this country will be worse off because of a weak £GBP because alnmost everything that we consume is imported and the oil that is used to transport those goods is paid for in $USD. £GBP right now is weak, subject to attack and extremely volatile because of uncertainty about the future prospects of the UK economy. I actually think that unless the slide on the £GBP is halted quite soon the Government will face some serious questions in Parliament that could very easily lead to a vote of no confidence. A weak and sliding currency is the very worst thing for citizens of any country to have to face because it makes them poorer by the day. The cause of this particular slide is entirely preventable and that is why questions will be asked unless the slide stops very soon." How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts . | |||
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".................. The new chancellor Philip Hammond said an emergency budget was not needed after the Brexit vote. It was a scaremongering lie from George Osborne. The £4300 worse off figure was a worthless slogan and you know it................... There was a de facto emergency budget because Philip Hammond immediately abandoned the policy to balance the books by 2020. Had that policy remained in place there would have had to be a budget. You doubt the £4,300 worse off figure but just wait until the effects of the sliding £GBP come in to play - Q4 2016 & Q1 2017 inflationary figures. A sliding £GBP wholly and exclusively makes exporting companies more profitable. Every living person in this country will be worse off because of a weak £GBP because alnmost everything that we consume is imported and the oil that is used to transport those goods is paid for in $USD. £GBP right now is weak, subject to attack and extremely volatile because of uncertainty about the future prospects of the UK economy. I actually think that unless the slide on the £GBP is halted quite soon the Government will face some serious questions in Parliament that could very easily lead to a vote of no confidence. A weak and sliding currency is the very worst thing for citizens of any country to have to face because it makes them poorer by the day. The cause of this particular slide is entirely preventable and that is why questions will be asked unless the slide stops very soon. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts . " The rising share values are because interest rates are so low there's pretty much nothing else to invest in. There's a widespread impression now that a lot are overvalued, and there will be a correction. | |||
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" A weak pound means that imported raw materials that our blossoming manufacturing sector need will cost far more, which in turn means the goods coming off of the conveyor belt in these vibrant factories will have a higher price ticket, which means that any benefits that a weak pound gave to exporters will be lost..... " Well the German manufacturing industry has gone from strength to strength since the over valued mark was dumped for the mickey mouse euro, that experience would suggest your thinking is wrong | |||
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".................. The new chancellor Philip Hammond said an emergency budget was not needed after the Brexit vote. It was a scaremongering lie from George Osborne. The £4300 worse off figure was a worthless slogan and you know it................... There was a de facto emergency budget because Philip Hammond immediately abandoned the policy to balance the books by 2020. Had that policy remained in place there would have had to be a budget. You doubt the £4,300 worse off figure but just wait until the effects of the sliding £GBP come in to play - Q4 2016 & Q1 2017 inflationary figures. A sliding £GBP wholly and exclusively makes exporting companies more profitable. Every living person in this country will be worse off because of a weak £GBP because alnmost everything that we consume is imported and the oil that is used to transport those goods is paid for in $USD. £GBP right now is weak, subject to attack and extremely volatile because of uncertainty about the future prospects of the UK economy. I actually think that unless the slide on the £GBP is halted quite soon the Government will face some serious questions in Parliament that could very easily lead to a vote of no confidence. A weak and sliding currency is the very worst thing for citizens of any country to have to face because it makes them poorer by the day. The cause of this particular slide is entirely preventable and that is why questions will be asked unless the slide stops very soon. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts . The rising share values are because interest rates are so low there's pretty much nothing else to invest in. There's a widespread impression now that a lot are overvalued, and there will be a correction. " However interest rates have been low for about six years. | |||
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".................. The new chancellor Philip Hammond said an emergency budget was not needed after the Brexit vote. It was a scaremongering lie from George Osborne. The £4300 worse off figure was a worthless slogan and you know it................... There was a de facto emergency budget because Philip Hammond immediately abandoned the policy to balance the books by 2020. Had that policy remained in place there would have had to be a budget. You doubt the £4,300 worse off figure but just wait until the effects of the sliding £GBP come in to play - Q4 2016 & Q1 2017 inflationary figures. A sliding £GBP wholly and exclusively makes exporting companies more profitable. Every living person in this country will be worse off because of a weak £GBP because alnmost everything that we consume is imported and the oil that is used to transport those goods is paid for in $USD. £GBP right now is weak, subject to attack and extremely volatile because of uncertainty about the future prospects of the UK economy. I actually think that unless the slide on the £GBP is halted quite soon the Government will face some serious questions in Parliament that could very easily lead to a vote of no confidence. A weak and sliding currency is the very worst thing for citizens of any country to have to face because it makes them poorer by the day. The cause of this particular slide is entirely preventable and that is why questions will be asked unless the slide stops very soon. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts . The rising share values are because interest rates are so low there's pretty much nothing else to invest in. There's a widespread impression now that a lot are overvalued, and there will be a correction. However interest rates have been low for about six years. " Yes, and were reduced even lower, the first change in about six years, around the same time as share prices increased. | |||
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" A weak pound means that imported raw materials that our blossoming manufacturing sector need will cost far more, which in turn means the goods coming off of the conveyor belt in these vibrant factories will have a higher price ticket, which means that any benefits that a weak pound gave to exporters will be lost..... Well the German manufacturing industry has gone from strength to strength since the over valued mark was dumped for the mickey mouse euro, that experience would suggest your thinking is wrong" Its gone from strength to strength because the Germans make goods that the world craves, British manufacturing on the other hand has suffered for Forty years of bad government backing and poor investment, The German State has always supported industry more than any other European nation since the 1920's, any suggestion that Britain compares in any form is laughable. | |||
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".................. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts ...... " You surprise me, I thought you would be up to speed on this kind of stuff. 1) A decrease in the value of the £GBP is inflationary in the UK because we import much more than we export. Exporting companies are beneficieries, not people. People suffer because their natural currency does not buy as much as it used to and they become poorer by the day. It is called inflation. Big exporting countries like China and India artificially keep their currency devalued because their economies are export lead. Ours isn't. To put this current slide into perspective, of the 25 most widely traded currencies only the Nigerian Naira has lost more value against the $USD this year than £GBP and the £GBP is at a 31 year low against $USD. There is nothing in any way good for Mr & Mr Ordinary Brit about a collapsing currency. 2) Share values are up with the big multinationals who list in London because they operate in multi currencies but account in £GBP. It stands to reason that any Company operating in any other currency will be experiencing an accounting bonanza. Yes, private Pensioners will benefit to some degree and the very wealthy (as always) will benefit. | |||
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".................. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts ...... You surprise me, I thought you would be up to speed on this kind of stuff. 1) A decrease in the value of the £GBP is inflationary in the UK because we import much more than we export. Exporting companies are beneficieries, not people. People suffer because their natural currency does not buy as much as it used to and they become poorer by the day. It is called inflation. Big exporting countries like China and India artificially keep their currency devalued because their economies are export lead. Ours isn't. To put this current slide into perspective, of the 25 most widely traded currencies only the Nigerian Naira has lost more value against the $USD this year than £GBP and the £GBP is at a 31 year low against $USD. There is nothing in any way good for Mr & Mr Ordinary Brit about a collapsing currency. 2) Share values are up with the big multinationals who list in London because they operate in multi currencies but account in £GBP. It stands to reason that any Company operating in any other currency will be experiencing an accounting bonanza. Yes, private Pensioners will benefit to some degree and the very wealthy (as always) will benefit." The last time the £/ euro was this level was in 2008/9 and the £/$ was slightly worse, inflation was around the 2.5 % figure so was hardly a disaster at the current levels if it results in the same inflation, indeed there is a school of though that suggests that inflation levels of 5% will help reduce the national debt in real terms and thus make it more affordable, that is one way of looking at it and there are no doubt opposite views depending on what one is trying to prove. A low pound will certainly help with the uk tourist trade | |||
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"You know what .... I hate politics !!! And I hate all the left wing fuckers for making the right wingers - racists !!! As they put it !!! Well I'm not a left wing fucker, I'm a right wing fucker and I don't call anyone a racist. I do call BREXIT supporters seditious traitors because that's what they are. Seditious because they are hell bent on creating division not just amongst the people of the EU but also the people of the UK who are either British or have a legal right to be here. Traitors because they have deliberately acted in a way that will harm and damage to the nation and its peoples. They are also hell bent on subverting our parliamentary democracy. They've sold their own people and country out for a bunch of meaningless slogans and jingoist flag waving. How much more treacherous could you ever possibly get than that? The only people creating division now are the Remainers who refuse to accept the result of a perfectly legal free and fair referendum, and they want to subvert democracy and go against the wishes of the majority 52% who voted leave. No surprise really as the EU is fundamentally undemocratic anyway so no wonder they feel at home there. They want to keep us in an undemocratic, failing, stagnating, out of touch and out of date EU, whose grand vision is a federal Europe (a united states of Europe) where all nation states sovereignty is removed and all laws are made in Brussels and all power is centralised in Brussels. Remainers are hell bent on giving away our parliamentary democracy to Brussels and there by would ultimately destroy our parliamentary democracy. That is far more treacherous in my view. " How you cam claim that the government has a mandate to pull the UK out of the single market without the consent of parliament (who's sovereignty you claimed you wanted to protect and restore during the referendum campaign) simply defies belief. The referendum gave the government a mandate to leave the EU, nothing more and nothing less. It gives the government no mandate to do anything else. Leaving the EU could be anything from being like Norway (definitely in the single market) to being like North Korea (definitely not in the single market) and it's our sovereign parliaments right and duty to decide exactly how that is done, not the governments. In fact the only mandate the government has with regard to the single market is the one gained from the Conservative Party's 2015 manifesto (the manifesto on which it was elected) which said "We will reclaim power from Brussels on your behalf and safeguard Britain's interests in the Single Market". That is a mandate to stay in the single market or at the very least have a very close relationship with it even when we've left the EU. The government has no mandate to pull us out of the single market unless parliament votes to give it one. Funny how democracy and sovereignty are only important to you when you think it's gone your way but mean nothing to you when you suspect that it might not go completely your own way. | |||
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".................. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts ...... You surprise me, I thought you would be up to speed on this kind of stuff. 1) A decrease in the value of the £GBP is inflationary in the UK because we import much more than we export. Exporting companies are beneficieries, not people. People suffer because their natural currency does not buy as much as it used to and they become poorer by the day. It is called inflation. Big exporting countries like China and India artificially keep their currency devalued because their economies are export lead. Ours isn't. To put this current slide into perspective, of the 25 most widely traded currencies only the Nigerian Naira has lost more value against the $USD this year than £GBP and the £GBP is at a 31 year low against $USD. There is nothing in any way good for Mr & Mr Ordinary Brit about a collapsing currency. 2) Share values are up with the big multinationals who list in London because they operate in multi currencies but account in £GBP. It stands to reason that any Company operating in any other currency will be experiencing an accounting bonanza. Yes, private Pensioners will benefit to some degree and the very wealthy (as always) will benefit. The last time the £/ euro was this level was in 2008/9 and the £/$ was slightly worse, inflation was around the 2.5 % figure so was hardly a disaster at the current levels if it results in the same inflation, indeed there is a school of though that suggests that inflation levels of 5% will help reduce the national debt in real terms and thus make it more affordable, that is one way of looking at it and there are no doubt opposite views depending on what one is trying to prove. A low pound will certainly help with the uk tourist trade " The GBP/USD is at its lowest rate for more than 30 years. Notwithstanding that, I am interested to know how you, me or anyone else in this country is going to benefit in any meaningful way from a weakened currency? I have never heard anyone say that inflation is good for our Govt so it must be OK that it is shit for us mere plebs. A weak GBP/ USD and rising oil prices is a pretty crappy outlook for all of us. | |||
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".................. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts ...... You surprise me, I thought you would be up to speed on this kind of stuff. 1) A decrease in the value of the £GBP is inflationary in the UK because we import much more than we export. Exporting companies are beneficieries, not people. People suffer because their natural currency does not buy as much as it used to and they become poorer by the day. It is called inflation. Big exporting countries like China and India artificially keep their currency devalued because their economies are export lead. Ours isn't. To put this current slide into perspective, of the 25 most widely traded currencies only the Nigerian Naira has lost more value against the $USD this year than £GBP and the £GBP is at a 31 year low against $USD. There is nothing in any way good for Mr & Mr Ordinary Brit about a collapsing currency. 2) Share values are up with the big multinationals who list in London because they operate in multi currencies but account in £GBP. It stands to reason that any Company operating in any other currency will be experiencing an accounting bonanza. Yes, private Pensioners will benefit to some degree and the very wealthy (as always) will benefit. The last time the £/ euro was this level was in 2008/9 and the £/$ was slightly worse, inflation was around the 2.5 % figure so was hardly a disaster at the current levels if it results in the same inflation, indeed there is a school of though that suggests that inflation levels of 5% will help reduce the national debt in real terms and thus make it more affordable, that is one way of looking at it and there are no doubt opposite views depending on what one is trying to prove. A low pound will certainly help with the uk tourist trade " It already has, the UK tourism industry has seen a massive boost since June 23rd. Also if EU products become too expensive people will simply change their shopping habits and buy domestic cheaper British products (which will benefit business here) or will buy from countries on which we will have free trade agreements with. David Davies said today a number of countries are already queuing up to do free trade deals with us once we have left the EU. Another industry here besides tourism which will benefit greatly from Brexit is the UK fishing industry. David Davis Brexit secretary hinted today in the house of commons that we will be taking back full control of our territorial fishing waters from the EU once Brexit is complete which will give a massive boost to the UK fishing industry as only UK fishing boats will be able to fish in our territorial waters. | |||
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".................. How does this slide make us worse off ?. I prefer to base my opinion on the movement in share values which is a real indicator of financial performance . Many people including pensioners relying on investment income are a lot better off since the vote as share prices have risen considerably since the result was announced . For many people any fall in exchange rates will be more than compensated by other factors. Our exports are a lot more competitive now . It is more a question of swings and roundabouts ...... You surprise me, I thought you would be up to speed on this kind of stuff. 1) A decrease in the value of the £GBP is inflationary in the UK because we import much more than we export. Exporting companies are beneficieries, not people. People suffer because their natural currency does not buy as much as it used to and they become poorer by the day. It is called inflation. Big exporting countries like China and India artificially keep their currency devalued because their economies are export lead. Ours isn't. To put this current slide into perspective, of the 25 most widely traded currencies only the Nigerian Naira has lost more value against the $USD this year than £GBP and the £GBP is at a 31 year low against $USD. There is nothing in any way good for Mr & Mr Ordinary Brit about a collapsing currency. 2) Share values are up with the big multinationals who list in London because they operate in multi currencies but account in £GBP. It stands to reason that any Company operating in any other currency will be experiencing an accounting bonanza. Yes, private Pensioners will benefit to some degree and the very wealthy (as always) will benefit. The last time the £/ euro was this level was in 2008/9 and the £/$ was slightly worse, inflation was around the 2.5 % figure so was hardly a disaster at the current levels if it results in the same inflation, indeed there is a school of though that suggests that inflation levels of 5% will help reduce the national debt in real terms and thus make it more affordable, that is one way of looking at it and there are no doubt opposite views depending on what one is trying to prove. A low pound will certainly help with the uk tourist trade " The reality is is that the GBP is down the FT index is down to when valued in USD. But the real question we should be asking is why is the GBP down. If this was part of a coherent economic strategy then maybe some of the arguments put forward by those saying 'don't worry' might be valid but it's not. The reason why GBP is down to its lowest level in 30 years is because international markets and investors believe the UK is going to be a less profitable place to do business in out side the single market than it would inside. You can't buck or fool the markets. If the markets think we're all going to be poorer and act accordingly then we will be. Right now, with all this talk of a Hard BREXIT, the markets and its investors clearly think we will all be. If we don't do something to change their minds we will be. Is this what BREXITers really meant when they said 'take back control'? | |||
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